StrangeQ: I've tried reading Crime and Punishment, I really have. But every time, I get about 25-30 pages in and just feel my enthusiasm deflating
hubiestubert: Look at Starship Troopers as a for instance. That is a book that I would include on a "must read" list, because it's not a book about fighting bugs in space, so much as musings on the nature of citizenship, on the nature of conflict, loyalty, and how screwed up things can be in the military and in conflicts. And it's often misinterpreted, willfully so with Verhoeven's film who wanted to parody the book instead of actually making a film that respected it. Verhoeven didn't get it wrong, he willfully twisted it, because he hated it so, and to be fair, RAH, if he'd been alive, would have chopped him to kindling for what he did to the book.What's sad, is that the CGI cartoon series got a lot closer to the heart of the book than the movie ever did, and that's kind of sad.But then again, look at the folks who keep shoving down their interpretations of the Bible, and ignoring all the charity, compassion, and forgiveness portions of the show...
hubiestubert: Foccault's Pendulum is essentially a thriller, albeit dense and with lots of odd occult bits. You really have to love conspiracy theory to get into it, but if you do, it's a joy.
Saiga410: BohemianGraham: especially ACO, since Kubrick adapted the American version which lops off the last chapter and thus ruins the symbolism Burgess had going.I thought it was the other way. The american version added that abismal ending, something about the publisher thinking that american audiences were not smart enough to enjoy a book without a happy ending. That book was worse for the happy ending.not sure which version is which now
hasty ambush: ooops
Night Night Cream Puff: My other challenge books were The Tale of Genji (bleh)
BohemianGraham: 555-FILK: mr_a: Total read: 5Total enjoyed: 0Did you (or anyone reading this thread) ever read Pillars of the Earth?A bit off subject from the list of books but I recently tried reading Trainspotting and it was simply unreadable with the Scottish dialect used in the book. Stopped reading after about 60 pages.It's not that off topic, as it is a "daunting" read in a sense.Reading Trainspotting was a lot like reading A Clockwork Orange. You have no idea what the fark you're reading at first, but then you begin to pick up on the language and it's easy as fark to read. I thought the accents and the slang in both books really worked, and they were far superior to their film counterparts, especially ACO, since Kubrick adapted the American version which lops off the last chapter and thus ruins the symbolism Burgess had going.I actually missed the accent when I tried to read the sequel to Trainspotting, Porno.
Embden.Meyerhof: I was hoping that Cormac McCarthy's The Road would be on there; the story of how to be a father in the most difficult of times.
tlchwi02: StrangeQ: I've tried reading Crime and Punishment, I really have. But every time, I get about 25-30 pages in and just feel my enthusiasm deflatingthat happened to me too. probably started it 4-5 times, failed at the 30ish page mark. Finally cracked it on a cold winter's day when i was stuck inside with nothing else to do. its actually quite good if you can make it far enough in to get hooked
Carth: Replace Crime and Punishment with The Brothers KaramazovReplace Don Quixote with The Count of Monte CristoReplace Little Dorrit with Gravity's Rainbowand Replace Underworld with East of Eden
adamgreeney: I love Joyce, plowed through Eco, adored Melville and muddled through the Hawking despite understanding very little of it. A lot of this list is stuff you read through in high school or college. Right?
Janky_McGank: keylock71: Heron: Joyce, like some other writers of his era, was more concerned with showing off how many obscure references he could make and how much violence he could do to sentence structure than to telling a good story.Eh... That's a bit harsh, I think. There's were a lot of writers and artists doing a lot of experimentation with form at the time. Some more successfully than others, of course.As far as Irish writers, I always preferred Flann O'Brien over Joyce. He was a journalist and was a little more concise and structured than Joyce even when he ventured into Absurdism. I also think he had a more developed sense of comedy than Joyce had.I've made a rule to be suspicious of people who claim to understand or are amused by Finnegan's Wake.
keylock71: unlikely: I really enjoyed Foucault's Pendulum.I think I've started that one 2 or 3 times, and for one reason or the other I never make any headway...Don Quixote was pretty good. I read it when I was living in a hostel, had no job and plenty of time on my hands. I ended up giving the copy I had to a homeless guy, who used to hang out in front of the hostel, when I finally got a job and a place of my own. Three years later I'm walking by the hostel late at night, and the same homeless guy recognizes me and we have a long conversation about the book.That memory alone makes it a great book, in my opinion.
Elvis_Bogart: I liked "How Boots fooled the King."
keylock71: Read 7 of them...The only one that bored me to tears was Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.I would also say that as far as Joyce goes, Finnegan's Wake if far more daunting than Ulysses.I would say Moby Dick is my favorite book on that list.Every year they have a week long reading of the book at the New Bedford Whaling Museum. The wife and I have participated a couple of times. It's actually a lot of fun.
hubiestubert: Pocket Ninja: I'm not disputing that Moby Dick teaches a good lesson, or that it's well written, or that people should read it, or anything else. I'm saying that it demonstrates an astonishing lack of of understanding basic thematic concepts to decide that a list of "things you should do" centered around "great literature" would be subtitled with a phrase that speaks very specifically to a fool's errand.It's often misinterpreted. Or rather, folks project an interpretation that they want to force, because it suits them at the time, and usually projected to people who haven't taken the time to actually read the damn thing.Look at Starship Troopers as a for instance. That is a book that I would include on a "must read" list, because it's not a book about fighting bugs in space, so much as musings on the nature of citizenship, on the nature of conflict, loyalty, and how screwed up things can be in the military and in conflicts. And it's often misinterpreted, willfully so with Verhoeven's film who wanted to parody the book instead of actually making a film that respected it. Verhoeven didn't get it wrong, he willfully twisted it, because he hated it so, and to be fair, RAH, if he'd been alive, would have chopped him to kindling for what he did to the book....But then again, look at the folks who keep shoving down their interpretations of the Bible, and ignoring all the charity, compassion, and forgiveness portions of the show...
karmaceutical: I don't think I got any good parenting lessons from The Road. We're all kind of on that road already, just without all the ash.
Henry Holland: I only finished it out of spite:
Type40: I have had Grapes of Wrath...
stevetherobot: Since people are recommending daunting books, let me suggest The Silmarillion. Now that's an epic.
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