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2001-11-13 11:23:38 AM  
OK. I now have a home. Damnit, I was having fun trying to hijack the boobies thread. ;)

We await reaction from Pakistan and the world ...

2001-11-13 11:27:13 AM  
To the NA's credit, if the capital of the country I'm trying to take over is completely undefended, then I'm going to waltz in, and ask forgiveness from the US and Pakistan later. Capturing Kabul with virtually no loss of life is simply too tempting to pass up.
2001-11-13 11:29:24 AM  
I just love how everyone said that the taliban was so tough. look at these pathetic bastards - they are retreating and havent put up a fight yet.
2001-11-13 11:31:25 AM  
You all know what we have to get ready for next.... Ahhhhh yeeeeaahhhhh...

[image from bestofberkeley.com too old to be available]



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Inter-national, underground
Thunder pounds when I stomp the ground (Woo!)
Like a million elephants with silverback orangutans
You can't stop a train
Who want some? Don't come un-pre-pared
I'll be there, but when I leave there
Better be a household name
Weather man tellin' us it ain't gon' rain
So now we sittin' in a drop-top, soakin wet
In a silk suit, tryin' not to sweat
Hits somersaults without the net
But this'll be the year that we won't forget
One-Nine-Nine-Nine, and brutha anything goes, be whatchu wanna be
Long as you know consequences, to give and for livin' defenses
Too hot, I'm jumpin' jail
Too low to dig, I might just touch hell
HOT! Get a life, now they gon' sell
Then I might catch you a spell, look at what came in the mail
A scale and some Arm and Hammer, so grow grid and some baby máma
Black Cadillac and a pack of pampers
Stack of question with no answers
Cure for cancer, cure for AIDS
Make a nubian wanna stay on tour for days
Get back home, things are wrong
We're not really able to spend all alone
before he left, (?), to a ball of power
Thousands of thousands miles per hour
Hello, ghetto, let your brain breathe,
believe there's always more, ahhhhh!

Chorus: 2X
[Dre] Don't pull the thang out, unless you plan to bang
{Choir} Bombs over Baghdad!
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Don't even bang unless you plan to hit something

{Choir} Bombs over Baghdad!
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2001-11-13 11:34:41 AM  
[image from criticalmass11.homestead.com too old to be available]

Did somebody mention Jawa and a tank? TripleR?
2001-11-13 11:44:23 AM  
Fb- the two "singers" in that picture have more sense then you. They also talk more sense then you. That's a fact. Trust me.
2001-11-13 11:51:47 AM  
Yes, my opinions are garbage. Unlike your 'blame America for everything that happens and I hope they get their American asses kicked' stance.

I distinctly remember you saying how the US was going to get wiped out by the Taliban and this will be another Vietnam. Didn't happen.

Then I remember you saying that the bombing was ineffective and was only killing civilians. Clearly wasn't the case either.

Now you are blaming the US for your anticipated failure of the UN. We will see won't we.
2001-11-13 11:59:38 AM  
Not only would the leaders of the NA have trouble getting the troops not to move in (this isn't a highly disciplined force), but they seem to have done a reasonable job in doing so--stopping looting, keeping the place running. If they declare this makes them the rulers of Afghanistan, that is too far, but even scarier than either Kabul under the Taliban or Kabul under the NA is Kabul with no one in charge.
2001-11-13 11:59:47 AM  
11-13-01 10:36:39 AM ClownCollegeGraduate
...I'm saying the US should be more authoritative towards NA. No one listens to the UN. Thats why its imperitive for the US to stop NA.

I'm glad to see that you know more about the relationship the US has with NA than anybody else in the world. Where exactly did you get your information concerning our directives, if any to the NA?

Oh well, way to hop on the, 'if there are any problems in the new government, it's the US's fault. I know this before it happens' train.

Now that the bombing has proven to be effective and the Taliban are all but defeated, you guys have to get a new reason to be ultra-critical of the US.
2001-11-13 12:09:33 PM  
So, does this mean we're still on track to turn Afghanistan into a parking lot?

I think the really important questions here are:
When does the first McDonalds open in Kabul?
Will Microsoft get exclusive software distribution rights in Afghanistan now?
When do the first Haliburton oil rigs open?

Does it really matter what the make up of the post Taliban government is? As long as it dances on the strings of the Western Free Market, that's all that really counts... isn't it?

Well, isn't it?
2001-11-13 12:10:18 PM  
ClownCollegeGraduate: "Trust Me" !?!?!? You sound like a used car salesman. (No offense to any used car salesmen that may be offended.)
2001-11-13 12:11:17 PM  

To answer your questions,

Next week.
Next week.

2001-11-13 12:15:33 PM  
Now maybe the bombing can stop soon enough to get some relief to the 8 million starving people before winter comes and kills half of them. But maybe not. Who cares? As long as we prove that no wrong can justify the taking of innocent lives, it's worth a few million innocent lives.
2001-11-13 12:17:32 PM  

That's the spirit!! Demonize America for stuff that hasn't even happened and might not happen!

Way to go!
2001-11-13 12:17:44 PM  
I do sincerely hope that they capture the Taliban government and allow some Afghan women to do a tap dance on their nuts.
2001-11-13 12:18:52 PM  
Hasn't happened? You might want to ask Oxfam, Christian Aid, the ICRC, and Human Rights Watch about that. Those people were already hanging on a thin lifeline, and we cut it.
2001-11-13 12:19:37 PM  
Demonizing America for all the wrongs in the world is about as dumb as believing that America is responsible for none of the wrongs in the world.
2001-11-13 12:20:00 PM  
Sic'em FB, make them think instead of blindly persecuting the country they live in. SFLs suck, unthinking SFLs suck more.
2001-11-13 12:22:14 PM  
I'm begining to think Fb- has MPS. Sometimes he makes totally rational and logical arguments, other times he tries to use pure emotion, at which he becomes laughable. I don't get it...

When he's being irrational and hateful, I want the Taliban to destroy the US army just to spite him. But then I remember all our guys down there, all those lives...

From the way we're seeing this, it looks like a chessboard. It's far too easy to forget the pain and suffering of the people in Afghanistan, of all kinds.
2001-11-13 12:22:21 PM  
Food has now run out for many Afghan people

Sorry to criticize the state some of you love so much, but this IS a democracy.
2001-11-13 12:22:44 PM  

See, I have a different view and you might want to think about this. We have managed to route those farks before the shiat kicking part of winter comes. If the NA and the bombing can manage to chase those farks into the mountains, and it looks like it may, then it will be humanitarian relief city for Afghanistan. All those groups will have unfettered access to the entire country!
2001-11-13 12:25:11 PM  

Can you go over to Slashdot and talk some sense into those bozos as well?
2001-11-13 12:25:36 PM  
P.S. Not that I believe anyone was demonizing the US for all of the wrongs in the world. I was more or less pointing out how some recognize no wrongs.
2001-11-13 12:25:49 PM  

"When he's being irrational and hateful, I want the Taliban to destroy the US army just to spite him. But then I remember all our guys down there, all those lives... "

Are you in elementary school?
2001-11-13 12:25:50 PM  
2001-11-13 12:27:07 PM  
I support feeding those people, and I don't want anybody to starve, regardless of how you characterize me.

But fellas, it's a war. A real war. We can't be successful if we stop the war for 5 months out of the year so relief groups can come in and have their supplies stolen by the Taliban.

We should look to make concessions where possible, but stopping the war entirely will lead to a quick defeat for us.

The humanitarian groups should be seriously talking with the UN about getting all the supplies they can in to NA controlled northern Afghanistan ASAP!
2001-11-13 12:27:45 PM  
Hooray, another puppet government installed by our nation. To bad the last one in Afghanistan that we installed turned out to be little shiats.

I wonder how long it will take this government to get pissed at us too?
2001-11-13 12:29:41 PM  
Bildo: No, I just have many very evil thoughts. I have to constantly fight my evil nature. It's tough.
2001-11-13 12:30:37 PM  
See, I have a different view and you might want to think about this. We have managed to route those farks before the shiat kicking part of winter comes.

Exactly as I said I hoped, FB-. What I am angry about is that few people seem to care. I don't see much talk about it here. I mean we're talking about millions of people, and it barely seems to register. I scoured the whole Washington Post this Sunday-- not a single mention that I could find. And yet something like six pages on the anthrax scare alone, for example. Whole feature stories, one each, on two of the victims. So that's why I find it highly perverse when Dubya (or Clinton or anyone else) pontificates about how innocent deaths are never justified. They mean innocent American deaths, I think.
2001-11-13 12:30:57 PM  

Be real. You honestly expect everybody in that country to instantly drop their guns and play by the rules of the humanitarian aid groups? This is Afghanistan, not Disney Land.

I'm afraid that the Taliban would simply use a break in the bombing and regroup, grab food, blankets and aid from the relief groups and then mount a counter offensive against the NA.
2001-11-13 12:31:04 PM  
Yes! Praise Allah, now the children can finally play with the kites! It is all worthwhile!
2001-11-13 12:31:29 PM  
Fb- Are you sure you're one person? You usually seem to be way out to the extreme, and now you are actually sounding rational. What gives?
2001-11-13 12:31:52 PM  
yet another thread that could have been insightful and intelligent is ruined by the namecalling and overbearance of one person who sadly has that need to be the center of attention.

see ya after work...
2001-11-13 12:33:10 PM  

That's why the United Nations is taking the lead role with other arab countries input in developing a real government in Afghanistan. It obviously is going to require support from a UN collation of troops from America, Russia, Britian, Germany, Australia and the like to make everybody play nice for a while, but this isn't some US puppet regime.
2001-11-13 12:37:19 PM  
I support feeding those people, and I don't want anybody to starve, regardless of how you characterize me.

I didn't address my sarcastic "who cares" to you, Fb-, but if you want to take it personally, maybe you have your reasons. Who am I to say?

You say you support feeding those people but that we can't pause the bombing to enable relief agencies to operate. So it seems to me-- and tell me if there's another conclusion that can be drawn-- that you are saying, if a few million innocent people die, that's too bad, because we need to bomb. That's exactly what strikes me as so perverse about all this. I mean here's the President saying that no state can justify taking innocent lives, no matter what wrong they are redressing, and here we are doing exactly that.
2001-11-13 12:39:36 PM  
"I mean we're talking about millions of people, and it barely seems to register. "

Remember when a half million Africans were butchered in genocidal tribal warfare? If you do, you're one of the rare ones. 90%+ of Americans didn't even know it happened.

That happened, the UN did basically nothing. Why did the UN (US, really. 85% of the troops were American) get involved in Yugoslavia? Well, I guess I should stop getting off topic. Sorry.
2001-11-13 12:40:39 PM  
Be real. You honestly expect everybody in that country to instantly drop their guns and play by the rules of the humanitarian aid groups? This is Afghanistan, not Disney Land.

I'm still not seeing where the Taliban's lawlessness justifies ours.
2001-11-13 12:41:38 PM  
I wish they would just hurry up and bomb the rest of those dirty non-white people into oblivion. We're losing sight of our goals here! Get with the program!
As soon as we get some aid workers in there for a photo op, with some smiling Afghans next to them, we can get back to the serious business of turning the globe into a corporate whorehouse.

Just Do It!
2001-11-13 12:42:22 PM  
Taliban - We will fall back into the mountains, and murder any American troops that enter!

Powell - Troops? What do you think this is, 1945? We're just gonna bomb your ass using missles fired from submarines.

Taliban - What is a...submarine?
2001-11-13 12:42:53 PM  

I'm saying that the war comes first. There has to be a more creative solution that stop all bombing or everybody will starve. The bombing is not going to stop. Sorry, it's not. The humanitarian groups, the NA, UN and US need to find a creative solution to help as many people as possible.

Taking the entire northern part of Afghanistan and stopping the bombing of all northern cities poses a wonderful opportunity for the UN and humanitarian groups to focus their efforts to flood northern afghanistan with food and supplies. Hopefully the world can get out that the people of afghanistan need to high tail it to the northern cities and relief camps if they want to make it through the winter.

The Southern part of the country will be nasty. There is still a war there. If you want to hold out there, be prepared to make due with US HDR drops. If not, high tail it to Pakistan or northern Afghanistan, because I assure you the bombing will not stop.
2001-11-13 12:44:11 PM  
But fellas, it's a war. A real war.

I won't argue with you there, but I did find it interesting that our new pal President Musharraf said in a WP interview this Sunday that he did not consider this a real war. This thing is getting spun every which way. Again, no argument with you here.
2001-11-13 12:52:55 PM  
There is plenty of food in Afghanistan. All the innocent Afghan's have to do is eat the dead Taliban soldiers.
2001-11-13 12:54:05 PM  
Fb- I'm curious, do you have a job or are you on an off day or what?
2001-11-13 01:03:16 PM  
I'm at work. It just gets slow sometimes when you have a job manually masturbating caged animals for artificial insemination.
2001-11-13 01:09:12 PM  
Hmm. Well you opened yourself up for a kick there Fb, but it's early and I don't feel like making personal attacks yet.


2001-11-13 01:13:23 PM  
manually masturbating caged animals

So you're in Marketing?
2001-11-13 01:17:38 PM  
Here are a few things I've been wondering about?

A)Will the U.S. require the NA to treat women any better?


B) If the NA and US have Kabul...wouldnt it make sense to set up a perimeter and provide relief to all inside that gaurded area?(May not be a perfect solution but it helps)

C)As everyone yells for Afghanistan relief North Korea slides further into its own famine because all the aid is going to Afghanistan because of their "high profile nature"

There are an endless number of problems here and few viable solutions. Poverty + desperation + fundamentalists = Oppression which inevitably leads to disaster... Happened in Germany for WW1 & WW2...

To Lartrack - Palpot right? the Hitler of Cambodia

The US, in my humble opinion, SHOULD be pushing for UN sanctioning of the government, but that's only half of it. stability is needed, and stability requires some sort of commerce (barter or otherwise). Afghanistan is a SERIOUS commitment, and if we expect to just extract Osama and run... It aint gonna happen.

Just my slant on things.

PS. Support our troops.. Being a soldier isnt easy, especially in situations like this.

2001-11-13 01:23:45 PM  

Here's a link on Drudge - different view on how people are "celebrating".
2001-11-13 01:24:44 PM  
"Palpot" should be Pol Pot aka Saloth Sar...my apologies

He ran the "killing fields" of Cambodia. He killed over 1 MILLION people... and yet so few people have ever even heard of him. Scary stuff.
2001-11-13 01:30:30 PM  

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