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(The Atlantic)   New law prohibits Pennsylvania doctors from telling patients what in fracking fluid is causing their cancer   (theatlantic.com) divider line
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2012-03-27 1:03:45 PM  
Isn't that restricting free speech?
 
2012-03-27 1:16:09 PM  
Better that than restraint of trade.
 
2012-03-27 1:18:40 PM  

basemetal: Isn't that restricting free speech?


psh, 'free speech' is pre-9/11 thinking. you some kinda socialisms type there sparky? we here in Pennsyltucky know that REAL MEN drink fracking fluid with breakfast! ain't nuthin wrong with a bit o'cancer. you just shake that shiat off, then order a beer!
 
2012-03-27 1:33:44 PM  
Beacon of democracy.
 
2012-03-27 1:38:00 PM  

Bagelox-99: Better that than restraint of trade.


if you stand up and ask questions about fracking in this state, you end up getting put on a terrorist watch list.
 
2012-03-27 1:42:41 PM  
Come for the gutted education system, stay for the delicious cancer water.
 
2012-03-27 1:44:39 PM  

dorko16: Come for the gutted education system, stay for the delicious cancer water.


don't forget all the corruption.
 
2012-03-27 1:57:32 PM  

dorko16: Come for the gutted education system, stay for the delicious cancer water.


Don't forget the favorite passtime of queer hunting.
 
2012-03-27 1:58:04 PM  

Weaver95: dorko16: Come for the gutted education system, stay for the delicious cancer water.

don't forget all the corruption.


The stuff they're doing legally here is so insane, I don't really want to imagine what the back room deals consist of.
 
2012-03-27 1:58:46 PM  

dorko16: Weaver95: dorko16: Come for the gutted education system, stay for the delicious cancer water.

don't forget all the corruption.

The stuff they're doing legally here is so insane, I don't really want to imagine what the back room deals consist of.


there's been a LOT of funny business around the fracking industry in this state.
 
2012-03-27 2:03:10 PM  
Thanks, republicans!
 
2012-03-27 2:06:54 PM  

basemetal: Isn't that restricting free speech?


So?

Let's say it is. Let's say that it is 100% absolutely without a doubt a violation of free speech.

So what? What are you going to do about it? Vote them out? HAH! There is money involved. When it comes to democracy versus money, money wins.
 
2012-03-27 2:07:11 PM  
Wow, I usually don't like to go the conspiracy route, but...holy crap. The Petroleum industry really pulled a hat trick on this one.
 
2012-03-27 2:07:11 PM  
How do the companies get around Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS)?

Anytime I ve worked around chemicals they required MSDS that list what toxic chemicals they have, and what they can do.
 
2012-03-27 2:07:23 PM  
The funny thing is that, even if they told what was in the water, most people wouldn't care. Those who did care would have no recourse.
 
2012-03-27 2:07:24 PM  
You know what's worse? Farking fluid.
 
2012-03-27 2:08:28 PM  
And the first doctor that gets charged on this will have the ACLU and a dozen other organizations spring to his defense.

Pennsylvania has a stupid, corrupt governor, but he's no worse then the last fat cat who was in charge. We may have changed names and parties but not direction.

Of course it could have been worse, the douchenozzle Onorato was running last time on a platform of having driven Pittsburgh into the ground why not the rest of the state.

/dang right I'm bitter
 
2012-03-27 2:08:45 PM  
The article makes a really good point: They wouldn't be trying so hard to hide what's in this stuff if it weren't really really bad for you.
 
2012-03-27 2:08:53 PM  
Mark my work: fracking is going to have a catastrophic outcome one day. It has to be the stupidest thing we've ever done.
 
2012-03-27 2:09:11 PM  
Wait I was told the government cannot force you to enter into private contracts. Would a conservative please explain to me how the government forcing doctors to sign an NDA is somehow OK but Obama's health care law isn't?
 
2012-03-27 2:10:01 PM  
Yup---Welcome to america ~.~ home of the weak who allow it ~.~ too bad all those gangsters don't go around slaughtering energy execs and people pumping toxic waste into their water ~.~
 
2012-03-27 2:11:08 PM  

That coward David Lopan: You know what's worse? Farking fluid.


Isn't that Santorum (also from PA)?
 
2012-03-27 2:11:12 PM  
Ugh. I'm really starting to think conspiracy theories on this shiat. I mean...fracking is so shady. Why hasn't anyone cracked the hell down on this? Putting a chemical soup anywhere near the water table is has never worked out for the better.
 
2012-03-27 2:11:24 PM  
Nope! Accidents don't happen, we're totally monitoring everyone, and hell, we'll never fsck up an Aquifer!

The scary thing is now they're lobbying to let this happen in NY. NYC gets pretty much all of its water throughout New York State; when the NYC Aqueduct was built, the highest priority was put on the quality of the water. The second huge feat was delivering 95% of the water to the City by gravity alone.

To fsck up such a fantastic system that was created by thousands, and destroy one of the seriously great things about NYC, would be epic suck of incredible proportion.

We get it, PA. You're happier selling yourselves out for INSTANT CASH NOW.

Let's keep creating superfund sites. Hell, Centralia burned, what's the difference if we salt the Earth with chemicals so toxic, your Doctor can't even tell you!
 
2012-03-27 2:11:35 PM  

liam76: How do the companies get around Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS)?

Anytime I ve worked around chemicals they required MSDS that list what toxic chemicals they have, and what they can do.


Isn't that what Bush/Cheney exempted the industry from having to report?
 
2012-03-27 2:12:26 PM  
I have to hand it to the gas extractors, they've managed to make longwall coal miners into the lesser evil.
 
2012-03-27 2:12:35 PM  
witty turn of phrase
 
2012-03-27 2:12:35 PM  

liam76: How do the companies get around Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS)?

Anytime I ve worked around chemicals they required MSDS that list what toxic chemicals they have, and what they can do.


That would probably be a huge farking book.
 
2012-03-27 2:12:53 PM  
A 2010 congressional investigation revealed that Halliburton and other fracking companies...

Oh dear gods, why do we let this company keep doing shiat? The government needs a gag order against using this corporate terrorist entity.
 
2012-03-27 2:13:24 PM  
Is fracking the new thing that is replacing the "save the whales/ozone hole/global warming" BS?

/yawn
 
2012-03-27 2:13:28 PM  
The provision was not in the initial versions of the law debated in the state Senate or House in February; it was added in during conference between the two chambers, said State Senator Daylin Leach (D), which meant that many lawmakers did not even notice that this "broad, very troubling provision" had been added.

Maybe you guys want to tell us who the fark put it there?
 
2012-03-27 2:14:53 PM  
didn't a big shot oil guy (from Halliburton, I think) drink a large glass of frack fluid at a press conference?
 
2012-03-27 2:15:39 PM  

The Shatner Incident: Ugh. I'm really starting to think conspiracy theories on this shiat. I mean...fracking is so shady. Why hasn't anyone cracked the hell down on this?


Because that would require government to get involved, and as every American knows: getting government involved is bad. Government can NOT make things better. Ever, ever, ever. Government can *only* make things worse.

Now, enjoy your flammable tap water and shiatty health care. Democratic governments are evil, "The Free Market" is perfect and holy.
 
2012-03-27 2:15:39 PM  

JackieRabbit: Mark my work: fracking is going to have a catastrophic outcome one day. It has to be the stupidest thing we've ever done.


My governor here in NC just got back from a trip to PA to see how fracking was done, and returned all excited about how beneficial that industry would be for NC. She couldn't stop talking about how it would create jobs, jobs, jobs, and oh yeah, with the right amount of regulation it would just be the bestest thing for our state!

Except, we've got a pro-business anti-regulation GOP heavy legislation right now, so any attempt to regulate a new industry would fall far short of what would be needed. I'm not convinced that there's ANY amount of regulation that would be enough for this industry; each well consumes millions of gallons of fresh water and turns it into contaminated waste that must be disposed of, all for a little natural gas that's already ridiculously cheap.

/not worth it
//farking fracking
 
2012-03-27 2:15:55 PM  

Yellow Beard: didn't a big shot oil guy (from Halliburton, I think) drink a large glass of frack fluid at a press conference?


Somehow I doubt it, and given that they don't have to tell you what's in it, there is no way to tell if that's what he drank.
 
2012-03-27 2:16:03 PM  
I am really troubled by governments trying to invade what doctors can tell their patients- either demanding they DON'T tell them stuff, like this, or demanding they DO (i.e. fetal heartbeat laws). They would never dare breach lawyer-client confidentiality because those corrupt assholes use lawyers frequently, but they'll meddle with medical matters without hesitating.
 
2012-03-27 2:16:14 PM  
First Amendment anyone?
 
2012-03-27 2:16:39 PM  
This is what you wanted, apparently, Pennsylvanians.

You derided protestors who complained about fracking, even after the Marcellus Shale spill. You supported politicians who were all too happy to ensure that big oil companies kept spending money in the state, even after broad environmental harm started turning up. You looked the other way when films of burning tap water, dead livestock, and poisoned people started showing up on the Web. Paid shills sowed doubt and distrust in your minds, even as protestors provided scientific evidence that real harm was occurring.

Your state and local governments fought tooth and nail to open up their counties to fracking, because of the lucrative returns promised by oil companies. Those returns are not only not materializing, but the costs associated with undrinkable water and poisoned land are mounting. You can stop it, but it means turning out in force and backing the protestors who have been doing all along what you should've been doing months ago.

I have little sympathy for Pennsylvanians - at best, they can serve as a brutal example of what not to do.
 
2012-03-27 2:17:36 PM  
By the time the people that defend this stuff find out how far these companies have it up their asses it will be easier to barf them up then expel them the way they came in.

And much too late for the rest of us.
 
2012-03-27 2:17:37 PM  
Mark my words, it's a huge push to turn clean water into a future commodity.
 
2012-03-27 2:17:43 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: The provision was not in the initial versions of the law debated in the state Senate or House in February; it was added in during conference between the two chambers, said State Senator Daylin Leach (D), which meant that many lawmakers did not even notice that this "broad, very troubling provision" had been added.

Maybe you guys want to tell us who the fark put it there?


That's what happens when members of Congress don't rtfa.

/not a member of Congress
//dnrtfa
 
2012-03-27 2:17:51 PM  
Good. I don't want the goddamn EPA telling me or anyone else what kinds of chemicals I can't drink, or impinging on my rights to imbibe fresh, pungent, oh so good cancer water. When we let the government dictate what we can or cannot drink, next thing you know they'll be makin me eat broccoli or buy cars that have better gas mileage.
 
2012-03-27 2:17:55 PM  
Pennsylvania- from politicians using state employees and computers to do campaigning on public time, to a state treasurer being found guilty and shooting himself the day before he was to be sentenced. Add to this the city of Harrisburg (State capitol) filed for bankruptcy and overspent millions of tax dollars for a statewide police and government radio system that does not have 100% coverage- PA deserves it's own tag.

And do not forget Three Mile Island.
 
2012-03-27 2:18:17 PM  

Yellow Beard: didn't a big shot oil guy (from Halliburton, I think) drink a large glass of frack fluid at a press conference?


No, he drank a glass of distilled water and then called it fracking fluid.
 
2012-03-27 2:19:30 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Wait I was told the government cannot force you to enter into private contracts. Would a conservative please explain to me how the government forcing doctors to sign an NDA is somehow OK but Obama's health care law isn't?


I'm not a conservative but I think I get the gist;

If it helps poor/middle class people at the expense of rich people... It's Bad!

If it helps rich people at the expense of poor/middle class people... It's Good!

If you don't like it... You're inciting class warfare.
 
2012-03-27 2:19:41 PM  
Who added the provision?

Using "proprietary" information to override public health and safety, environmental health and safety, the public right to know, tort law and justice is BS. The politician who is an accomplice to legislation which does this should be fricasseed over a medium-high fire, preferably gas.
 
2012-03-27 2:20:08 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: The provision was not in the initial versions of the law debated in the state Senate or House in February; it was added in during conference between the two chambers, said State Senator Daylin Leach (D), which meant that many lawmakers did not even notice that this "broad, very troubling provision" had been added.

Maybe you guys want to tell us who the fark put it there?


Exactly... farking passive voice. The language didn't materialize on its own, and the voters should have an opportunity to sanction the offending party.
 
2012-03-27 2:20:21 PM  
An OSHA whistle blower would make for an interesting book/movie.
/off to write screenplay
 
2012-03-27 2:20:54 PM  
We have a true democracy - every corporation gets a vote, and all the laws are tailored for the most profitable industry.

/people? Yeah, we own some.
 
2012-03-27 2:21:28 PM  
Pennsylvania, America's Texas's strip mine
 
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