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(Boston Globe)   MIT wizards conquer RIAA. Except you need an analog system, and $1875 per user and... oh forget it. Still no cure for cancer   ( boston.com) divider line
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2003-10-27 10:17:10 AM  
It'd be cheaper to juts by the farking CDs.
2003-10-27 10:22:46 AM  
I'm conquering the RIAA--I listen to streaming Internet radio (but don't pay money for it, partially because the RIAA would eventually get some of that money), purchasing DVDs instead of CDs, and making a list of RIAA-free CDs that I can actually purchse the next time I go to Best Buy.

Until the courts begin ruling against the RIAA, the most effective thing to do is to starve them of their cash flow. I'm trying to do my part.
2003-10-27 11:59:22 AM  
Wow, those MIT guys are so smart. At my school we call one of these new-fangled things a "college radio station." Oh yeah, we've had one for 50 years. Glad to see MIT has finally moved into the 20th century...

Christ, if I could piss away money like some people on so-called "research"...
2003-10-27 12:42:08 PM  
making a list of RIAA-free CDs that I can actually purchse the next time I go to Best Buy.

I, for one, would be interested in seeing exactly what's on this list so far.
2003-10-27 12:42:30 PM  
Kazaa is still cheaper.
2003-10-27 12:42:37 PM  
"the system allows only 16 users to request music at the same time"

Great. 16 channels of Dave Matthews all the freakin' time.
2003-10-27 12:43:36 PM  
the possibility of streaming porn is endless......
2003-10-27 12:44:47 PM  
Expensively useless!!! Hazaa!
2003-10-27 12:45:48 PM  
Ah, now just to solve the problem of transmitting voice messages over copper wires to other people with a 10-digit dialing sytem.
2003-10-27 12:46:33 PM  
Ah loopholes, is there anything that can't do?

In other news: RIAA sues Micro$oft for allowing MIT student to exploit them.
2003-10-27 12:48:10 PM  
Im with gmstudio......

BloodyL, can you post the list?
2003-10-27 12:49:08 PM  
Now that they've solved this problem, they can move on to more important issues that interest them, like how to automate a RealDoll.
2003-10-27 12:49:17 PM  
In other news: 60,000,000 people can still listen to whatever song they want, whenever they want.
2003-10-27 12:49:19 PM  
It's cheaper just to go the bars and see bands in person and hook up with some chickies ... oh, wait this is MIT. Never mind.
2003-10-27 12:49:47 PM  
OUTLANDISH, I say. You might as well put a man on the moon or allow women to vote.
2003-10-27 12:49:47 PM  
Hey look we reinvented crap!
2003-10-27 12:51:46 PM  
Now that I actually went back and read the article...

Why didn't they just go here:


2003-10-27 12:52:59 PM  
These guys get an I - for impractical
2003-10-27 12:53:52 PM  
When cars came out, we had horses, they looked fugging costly too.
2003-10-27 12:56:26 PM  
Well, with expansion as planned, this could be relatively viable. Admittedly, the initial costs would be harsh. However, it might be expandable enough where an individual user can expect some request time as well as enjoy listening to a few channels. Coordinate requests to similar genres on a channel as well.

It's as viable as an analog library. Sure, it costs a lot to build the thing, and the books do cost a fair bit of money, and only so many people can check out a book so often. Yet, it's a free and legal system. Now to just find rich benefactors to build music libraries across the nation.
2003-10-27 12:56:35 PM  
2003-10-27 12:58:24 PM  
You know what really pissed me off? I came home after buying a couple of CD's and I open up "Sgt. Pepper's..." from the Beatles and a little thankyou note pops out from the record industry thanking me for supporting artists.

It made me feel like a sucker for not getting it free even though I knew I could get it free but wanted to buy it instead...
2003-10-27 12:59:20 PM  
My cablebox from Comcast gets me 16 music channels. And satellite radio might even make that obsolete.
2003-10-27 01:00:43 PM  
Well, I now hold every single MIT grad and student in lower esteem.
2003-10-27 01:03:43 PM  
dumbass tag?, cool tag more appropriate
2003-10-27 01:13:49 PM  
A 16-channel, all-request radio system? Oh yeah, and it's LEGAL, too. Sounds pretty cool to me. I don't see why everyone else is knocking it.

2003-10-27 01:14:33 PM  
Uhm, hooray?
2003-10-27 01:15:12 PM  

thanks for the post. i just discovered that the last 10 CDs i bought are RIAA safe. yay me!
2003-10-27 01:32:24 PM  
I've been boycotting RIAA-sponsored products all year now. Aside from using the RIAA Radar on the Magnetbox site, I've been shopping at online places like cdbaby.com and notlame.com as well as the artist's website. I've found great stuff from Super Furry Animals, Bob Drake, Polysics, BradSucks.net, Melodine, The Boris Flats, Motherboard, The Gentlemen, Humbert and a bunch of other "indie" artists out there that rock the house.

There's a load of really deserving music artists out there that would probably never get any exposure outside of the Internet because of the RIAA's and ClearChannel's stranglehold of radio. Believe it or not, there are still people out there that create music because they love it, not to sell their soul for fleeting fame.
2003-10-27 01:34:00 PM  
This sounds better than a college radio station because if you get logged in you will get your request played. Much better than waiting on some asshat DJ that is only going to play whatever the fark he wants to.
2003-10-27 01:38:04 PM  
Thats incredibly stupid, these guys got a grant for this?!

Where do i apply?!
2003-10-27 01:40:38 PM  
Keith Winstein is also an arsehole...frankly, I should have beat the fark out of him when he started talking shiat to my girlfriend last year.

no kidding
2003-10-27 01:43:29 PM  

thanks for the post. i just discovered that the last 10 CDs i bought are RIAA safe. yay me!
2003-10-27 01:50:52 PM  
The dumbass tag is too mild for this drek. Asinine might have been more appropriate.
This is the type of mickymous crap I would expect from grade school kids.
2003-10-27 01:53:09 PM  

That site should have a fark tag of its own! Thanks!
2003-10-27 02:19:28 PM  
It's a pretty good system... I was playing with it last year, the only real negative then was the music selection was pretty limited (it was like 90% classical stuff at that time)

It looks like they've really expanded it now, so I may have to go check it out again..
2003-10-27 02:23:04 PM  
it's a good first step...
2003-10-27 02:23:49 PM  
Hey they finally posted one of my links! Woohoo!

On a side note i can't get the new ipod ad's out of my head.. They go: 10,000 songs in the palm of your hand.. lets see, at $1 per song at itunes...

Have I ever told you guys how much I like Kazaa lite?
2003-10-27 02:25:55 PM  
People don't seem to get the point. The RIAA is targeting file sharing with the argument that a "perfect" digital copy should not be available to be shared. They can't go after analog copies because that would mean targeting people who record music off of radio stations, which is a fairly long established right.

So, these guys figured out a way to stream MP3's over an analog sytem, but still have it controllable by the user. It may not be the most useful thing in the world in its current form, but it's an interesting research project.

But of course, if people actually thought for a second before making asinine posts, this wouldn't be fark.
2003-10-27 02:38:36 PM  
Why not just host music offshore and ask for like $5 a month to download whatever you want?
2003-10-27 02:46:31 PM  
Wow, it's days like this that I have to admit to the fact that I work here (MIT).

Not a day goes by when something doesn't smack me in the face about this place. Usualy it's stuff like this...

I approve of the DUMBASS tag.
2003-10-27 03:10:46 PM  
So does that mean with digital radio piggybacking and XM and whatever they're talking about, they'll have to pay the RIAA?
2003-10-27 03:19:28 PM  
re: Boycott RIAA

So, I'm supposed to not buy music from artists I like because they're associated with the RIAA?

I'll pass on that idea, thanks.
2003-10-27 03:29:48 PM  
"It's so inexpensive and easy to do, why not?" he said.

Well, if this was a true statement, it already would have been done.
2003-10-27 03:32:44 PM  
I think that the analong signal passed over a cable-tv networks would be very high quality. Cable TV is all coaxial cable and receiving the signal through it would result in very high signal-noise ratios.

This is definitely not like radio. This network will have great sound quality. This is not transmitting through the airwaves.

Coazial cable is the best. (hmm... that would make a great tattoo).
2003-10-27 03:45:42 PM  
I'm wondering who the dumbass really is...
First, it's a setup/research cost, NOT divided by every user... as in, it's a one-time expense, yet could potentially have unlimited users.
Second, research generally starts out like this and only eventually is its full potential realized. I'd like to see you call all the tens of thousands of attempts at cures for cancer as "dumbass".
Third, what paul_n said.
2003-10-27 03:52:57 PM  
Just one more thing:

Here's a link to the nytimes.com article on this (registration may be required). It's much more insightful about what the reason for this research actually is. Here's a quote:

"It's kind of brilliant," said Mike Godwin, the senior technology counsel at Public Knowledge, a policy group in Washington that focuses on intellectual property issues. If the legal theories hold up, he said, "they've sidestepped the stonewall that the music companies have tried to put up between campus users and music sharing."

And another:

If that back-to-the-future solution seems overly complicated, blame copyright law and not M.I.T., said Jonathan Zittrain, who teaches Internet law at Harvard and is a director of the university's Berkman Center for Internet and Society. The most significant thing about the M.I.T. plan, he said, is just how complicated it has to be to fit within the odd boundaries of copyright law.

"It's almost an act of performance art," Mr. Zittrain said. Mr. Winstein, he said, has "arrayed the gerbils under the hood so it appears to meet the statutory requirement" - and has shown how badly the system of copyright needs sensible revamping.
2003-10-27 04:03:13 PM  
if it took a $30k grant and years of university research to determine that copyright laws need updating, i weep for society
2003-10-27 04:27:32 PM  
How about I just download them off Kazaa for free with better quality?
2003-10-27 04:37:44 PM  
I haven't bought a cd in years. Between the library, friends and Kazaa lite I've amassed over 300 in the last 2 years. I just pay for blank cd's that I only buy when the rebate makes them free.
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