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2012-01-26 07:16:05 AM  
Subby is probably under 12; at the time the show first aired, much was
made of the unisex skirt uniform in the prerelease publicity.
 
2012-01-26 08:22:02 AM  
There are tons of easter eggs in TNG though. Messages on displays, props etc that were't visible at standard def that will be much more obvious in HD.
 
2012-01-26 09:41:44 AM  
Subby, I've known about that for decades. Not everybody is as slow as you on the uptake.

/It's one of the less successful creations of William Ware Theiss. This is one of his more successful creations:

images2.fanpop.comView Full Size
 
2012-01-26 10:31:37 AM  
its its so beautiful
 
2012-01-26 10:49:56 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Subby is probably under 12; at the time the show first aired, much was
made of the unisex skirt uniform in the prerelease publicity.


I remember watching the pilot and after my giddy high subsided, my next reaction was "WTF* was that guy doing in a skirt uniform?"

*I probably didn't use the actual work, I was still young enough to think fark was inappropriate for even a mental conversation.
 
2012-01-26 11:25:43 AM  

NowhereMon: There are tons of easter eggs in TNG though. Messages on displays, props etc that were't visible at standard def that will be much more obvious in HD.


The names on the ship dedication plaques supposedly usually either refer to the film crew or fake film characters.
 
2012-01-26 11:25:43 AM  
So wait: the alien scenes are really just "cleaned up"? They didn't completely redo those?
 
2012-01-26 11:28:29 AM  
I just watched the episode where everyone loses their short term memories and Ensign Ro and Riker get it on, so I am getting a kick...

/actually I need my bunk
 
2012-01-26 11:34:05 AM  
I just ordered this on amazon - I can't wait!

/currently in season 1 of Voyager on netflix
//kinda like it so far
 
2012-01-26 11:39:57 AM  

GAT_00: NowhereMon: There are tons of easter eggs in TNG though. Messages on displays, props etc that were't visible at standard def that will be much more obvious in HD.

The names on the ship dedication plaques supposedly usually either refer to the film crew or fake film characters.


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2012-01-26 11:40:03 AM  
There are FOUR 120watt Halogen Type L Lights!
 
2012-01-26 11:40:42 AM  

Ennuipoet: DjangoStonereaver: Subby is probably under 12; at the time the show first aired, much was
made of the unisex skirt uniform in the prerelease publicity.

I remember watching the pilot and after my giddy high subsided, my next reaction was "WTF* was that guy doing in a skirt uniform?"

*I probably didn't use the actual work, I was still young enough to think fark was inappropriate for even a mental conversation.


Maybe Starfleet expanded upon the repeal of DADT and decided to go full fabulous.
 
2012-01-26 11:41:53 AM  

GuyFawkes: I just ordered this on amazon - I can't wait!

/currently in season 1 of Voyager on netflix
//kinda like it so far


Really? Season 1 is godawful for the most part. You still need the story though. Season 5 is the best of the show.
 
2012-01-26 11:42:46 AM  

USCLaw2010: Ennuipoet: DjangoStonereaver: Subby is probably under 12; at the time the show first aired, much was
made of the unisex skirt uniform in the prerelease publicity.

I remember watching the pilot and after my giddy high subsided, my next reaction was "WTF* was that guy doing in a skirt uniform?"

*I probably didn't use the actual work, I was still young enough to think fark was inappropriate for even a mental conversation.

Maybe Starfleet expanded upon the repeal of DADT and decided to go full fabulous.


Roddenberry wanted to get a homosexual character into ST:TNG from the
very beginning, but was never able to do so.
 
2012-01-26 11:45:34 AM  
Anyone else believe this show just doesn't hold up? During the course of its first run I saw ever episode. But now I can't withstand 10 minutes of any episode. If its not the horrible acting - its the lame story lines. Ugh ... painful.
 
2012-01-26 11:48:58 AM  

bravian: Anyone else believe this show just doesn't hold up? During the course of its first run I saw ever episode. But now I can't withstand 10 minutes of any episode. If its not the horrible acting - its the lame story lines. Ugh ... painful.


Agreed. I also saw every episode and have no desire to watch it again in any format.
 
2012-01-26 11:49:29 AM  
I wonder if this is on there.

Embarrassing indeed.
 
2012-01-26 11:49:57 AM  

GAT_00: GuyFawkes: I just ordered this on amazon - I can't wait!

/currently in season 1 of Voyager on netflix
//kinda like it so far

Really? Season 1 is godawful for the most part. You still need the story though. Season 5 is the best of the show.


Well I am going in order on netflix from TOS all the way through. As much as I love DS9, Voyager is really nice if only for the much brighter lighting. A Dax-less show has to be decent to keep my attention, though!
 
2012-01-26 11:50:11 AM  

GAT_00: Season 5 is the best of the show.


Damning with faint praise...

bravian: Anyone else believe this show just doesn't hold up? During the course of its first run I saw ever episode. But now I can't withstand 10 minutes of any episode. If its not the horrible acting - its the lame story lines. Ugh ... painful.


I'd gladly watch Measure of a Man any day of the week, plus a few other episodes like The Nth Degree or Sins of the Father, or a bunch of others.
 
2012-01-26 11:53:59 AM  

bravian: Anyone else believe this show just doesn't hold up? During the course of its first run I saw ever episode. But now I can't withstand 10 minutes of any episode. If its not the horrible acting - its the lame story lines. Ugh ... painful.


For the most part, it doesn't. The stories are lame for the most part, and the touchy-feely therapist-speak really gets old.

Also, FTFA: Although I am a big fan of all the Star Trek series (barring the last one, which is to true Trekkers what The Phantom Menace is to Star Wars purists),

Uh, no. Voyager was easily the worst of the Treks.
 
2012-01-26 11:57:18 AM  
You know, I remember when the first DVDs came out for TNG. They were $100 a season. I thought, "Fark that! Just because I don't have a girlfriend doesn't mean that they can milk me for all I'm worth."
 
2012-01-26 11:57:21 AM  

RexTalionis: Damning with faint praise...


S5 is up there with the best of DS9. Living Witness is up there with In The Pale Moonlight and The Inner Light. And excuse me, that's actually near the end of Season 4.
 
2012-01-26 11:58:18 AM  

GuyFawkes: GAT_00: GuyFawkes: I just ordered this on amazon - I can't wait!

/currently in season 1 of Voyager on netflix
//kinda like it so far

Really? Season 1 is godawful for the most part. You still need the story though. Season 5 is the best of the show.

Well I am going in order on netflix from TOS all the way through. As much as I love DS9, Voyager is really nice if only for the much brighter lighting. A Dax-less show has to be decent to keep my attention, though!


So I'm halfway through Season 5 on DS9, apparently just before the start of the Dominion war and I just don't understand the Dax obsession. As a character I find her to be less than interesting now, and at times, annoying. She was good in the first few seasons when the writers explored her past and some of the Trill intrigue, but from season 4 to 5 it just feels like here whole character has gone flat and stopped developing beyond the Worf romance, which isn't nearly as interesting as I thought it might be....as a matter of fact it's down right predictable if you've seen Worf for any length of time on TNG. The lone exception being the episode where Jadzia hooks up with the previous host's wife...that was actually a fun episode and the lesbian kissing were just icing on the cake.
 
2012-01-26 12:00:50 PM  
So we're going to get to see Troi's massive cameltoe in high-def now?

Ah, the glories of the modern age!

Link (new window)
 
2012-01-26 12:01:34 PM  

GAT_00: RexTalionis: Damning with faint praise...

S5 is up there with the best of DS9. Living Witness is up there with In The Pale Moonlight and The Inner Light. And excuse me, that's actually near the end of Season 4.


Voyager had good/great episodes (Year of Hell comes to mind), but the bad ones were so bad (lizard babies) that it's tough to remember any season of Voyager as being worthwhile.

I just rewatched all of TNG last year. I had forgotten quite how bad the first season was. I mean, I knew it was bad, but holy crap are some of the episodes terrible. I really hope that Paramount doesn't read too much into low sales numbers for seasons 1-2 of TNG and give up early. Even modest sales numbers of the first season would be promising as hell considering a lot of people would probably just start buying at season 3, depending on the cost of the sets.
 
2012-01-26 12:02:13 PM  

GAT_00: RexTalionis: Damning with faint praise...

S5 is up there with the best of DS9. Living Witness is up there with In The Pale Moonlight and The Inner Light. And excuse me, that's actually near the end of Season 4.


I've watched Season 5, and, in my opinion, it's nowhere close. Yes, it has some good episodes, but it's nowhere close to the best DS9 episodes.
 
2012-01-26 12:03:27 PM  
bemis23:
So I'm halfway through Season 5 on DS9, apparently just before the start of the Dominion war and I just don't understand the Dax obsession. As a character I find her to be less than interesting now, and at times, annoying. She was good in the first few seasons when the writers explored her past and some of the Trill intrigue, but from season 4 to 5 it just feels like here whole character has gone flat and stopped developing beyond the Worf romance, which isn't nearly as interesting as I thought it might be....as a matter of fact it's down right predictable if you've seen Worf for any length of time on TNG. The lone exception being the episode where Jadzia hooks up with the previous host's wife...that was actually a fun episode and the lesbian kissing were just icing on the cake.

Don't know if you've seen all of DS9 yet, so I'll avoid the spoilers, but suffice it to say Jadzia's character development sort of, um, evens off fairly soon?

Ezri was way cuter anyway, even if the writers had no freaking clue what to do with her.
 
2012-01-26 12:07:58 PM  

Edymnion:
Ezri was way cuter anyway, even if the writers had no freaking clue what to do with her.


Ezri had some good stories, too. I loved the mystery assassin episode with the prototype rifle.
 
2012-01-26 12:11:53 PM  
Holy mother of God, but the first two seasons of that show were unwatchable piles of shiat! God damn, yo , David Gerrold!
 
2012-01-26 12:14:24 PM  

bemis23:


So I'm halfway through Season 5 on DS9, apparently just before the start of the Dominion war and I just don't understand the Dax obsession. As a character I find her to be less than interesting now, and at times, annoying. She was good in the first few seasons when the writers explored her past and some of the Trill intrigue, but from season 4 to 5 it just feels like here whole character has gone flat and stopped developing beyond the Worf romance, which isn't nearly as interesting as I thought it might be....as a matter of fact it's down right predictable if you've seen Worf for any length of time on TNG. The lone exception being the episode where Jadzia hooks up with the previous host's wife...that was actually a fun episode and the lesbian kissing were just icing on the cake.


I've been a Trek fan forever (although this is my first run through Voyager) and I've loved every series (have not seen Enterprise yet) with some very serious standout episodes ("Far Beyond The Stars" and "In The Pale Moonlight" from DS9 season six were incredible). The bonus of some beautiful women on the show is an added bonus and I had an immediate crush on Jadzia Dax (it's the spots, I think). Her character didn't develop much late in DS9 which is a shame, but she is still gorgeous.

/Jadzia>Ezri
//but it's a close second place
 
2012-01-26 12:17:22 PM  

GAT_00: GuyFawkes: I just ordered this on amazon - I can't wait!

/currently in season 1 of Voyager on netflix
//kinda like it so far

Really? Season 1 is godawful for the most part. You still need the story though. Season 5 is the best of the show.


Yes, but "best season of Voyager" is like "least smelly bag of dog crap".

I made it as far as "The Swarm" and gave up in disgust. My wife watched every episode, so I caught bits and pieces from then on and saw nothing to disavow myself of my opinion. (To give my wife some credit, she bailed out of Enterprise when the Klingon said "I can see my house from here" and never looked back.)
 
2012-01-26 12:19:39 PM  
What's the point of an HD teaser video showing side-by-side comparisons if the YouTube video is only available in 360p?
 
2012-01-26 12:21:40 PM  

NowhereMon: There are tons of easter eggs in TNG though. Messages on displays, props etc that were't visible at standard def that will be much more obvious in HD.


I remember pausing the new Star Trek movie and looking at some of the door messages. They were not funny, they all said something about a manual door release switch.
 
2012-01-26 12:29:16 PM  
I can't wait till this happens to DS9.

/want to count all of Jadzia's spots... all the way down
/giggity
 
2012-01-26 12:34:50 PM  
startrekvids.comView Full Size
 
2012-01-26 12:35:17 PM  

RexTalionis:
I've watched Season 5, and, in my opinion, it's nowhere close. Yes, it has some good episodes, but it's nowhere close to the best DS9 episodes.


Whilst I agree Voyager was... reasonably abysmal you must, mentally, remove Robert Beltran from the equation; he is on record as saying he hated the show, hated the scripts, hated the character and deliberately delivered a wooden performance.

So ignoring the fact they ignored (or didn't have) the 'bible' for the writers to follow and thus made 'Schrödinger's starship' (it is both 5 years and 75 years from home at the exact same time), it was never going to be awesome even if they had thrown enough money at script writing and effects to make Avatar's budget look like raiding the petty cash drawer because one of the lead actors for the show was too busy going "fark this, fire me" in his delivery rather than just getting on with it and enjoying the career long money being a star in a Trek series can bring.
 
2012-01-26 12:45:46 PM  

sarah_t_s: thus made 'Schrödinger's starship' (it is both 5 years and 75 years from home at the exact same time)


See, if you actually knew what happened, you wouldn't say things like that. Kes flung them 10,000 light years at the beginning of season 4 when she left, and they got another 20,000 out of a transwarp coil. That's 30,000 of the 70,000 light years. They got 5,000 on their own during the 7 years of the show, and the Borg conduits got them the last 35,000 light years.

They were only 70 years away assuming they traveled exclusively on their own power and technologies.
 
2012-01-26 12:47:47 PM  

bemis23: The lone exception being the episode where Jadzia hooks up with the previous host's wife...that was actually a fun episode and the lesbian kissing were just icing on the cake.


I must have missed this episode. To Netflix!
 
2012-01-26 12:48:03 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: USCLaw2010: Ennuipoet: DjangoStonereaver: Subby is probably under 12; at the time the show first aired, much was
made of the unisex skirt uniform in the prerelease publicity.

I remember watching the pilot and after my giddy high subsided, my next reaction was "WTF* was that guy doing in a skirt uniform?"

*I probably didn't use the actual work, I was still young enough to think fark was inappropriate for even a mental conversation.

Maybe Starfleet expanded upon the repeal of DADT and decided to go full fabulous.

Roddenberry wanted to get a homosexual character into ST:TNG from the
very beginning, but was never able to do so.


Yeah, but under TNG-era Roddenberry, every character was an asexual boy scout anyway. So it wouldn't have mattered.
 
2012-01-26 12:50:39 PM  
I thought everyone remembered those. I was 5 in 87 and I made fun of them then.
 
2012-01-26 12:52:07 PM  

GAT_00: sarah_t_s: thus made 'Schrödinger's starship' (it is both 5 years and 75 years from home at the exact same time)

See, if you actually knew what happened, you wouldn't say things like that. Kes flung them 10,000 light years at the beginning of season 4 when she left, and they got another 20,000 out of a transwarp coil. That's 30,000 of the 70,000 light years. They got 5,000 on their own during the 7 years of the show, and the Borg conduits got them the last 35,000 light years.

They were only 70 years away assuming they traveled exclusively on their own power and technologies.


Don't forget the trip through the graviton catapult. That shaved off 3 years.

Link (new window)
 
2012-01-26 12:53:12 PM  

jayhawk88: So wait: the alien scenes are really just "cleaned up"? They didn't completely redo those?


What they have said is "Visual effects will not be upconverted from videotape, but instead will be recompositioned". They are trying to keep the effects looking as close to the original as possible, while still obviously higher definition. I recall they said some of the original effects are completely lost and will have to be redone, but even with those they plan on getting as close to the original as they can.
They are also having to re-edit every episode from scratch from the original film to match how it originally was edited.
 
2012-01-26 12:56:41 PM  

LeafyGreens: bravian: Anyone else believe this show just doesn't hold up? During the course of its first run I saw ever episode. But now I can't withstand 10 minutes of any episode. If its not the horrible acting - its the lame story lines. Ugh ... painful.

For the most part, it doesn't. The stories are lame for the most part, and the touchy-feely therapist-speak really gets old.

Also, FTFA: Although I am a big fan of all the Star Trek series (barring the last one, which is to true Trekkers what The Phantom Menace is to Star Wars purists),

Uh, no. Voyager was easily the worst of the Treks.


I never really got the hate for Enterprise. Yeah, the theme song is horrible and Diane Warren is the spawn of Satan, but once you get past that there's a lot of good there. Like TNG and DS9 the first two seasons were kinda lame, but the 3rd season is really good and the 4th season is some of the best Trek ever IMO. I don't think it got the fair chance it should have.
 
2012-01-26 01:00:45 PM  

GAT_00: sarah_t_s: thus made 'Schrödinger's starship' (it is both 5 years and 75 years from home at the exact same time)

See, if you actually knew what happened,


7,000 light years in 7 years. From a ship capable of sustaining, in the words of it's own navigator (who bloody well should know how fast the ship goes) 21,473 times the speed of light (0.0007 ly/s or 0.042 ly/m or 22,089.848 light years per year). Which is Warp 9.95. Which is an Intrepid class starship's maximum sustainable cruise speed. Voyager was an Intrepid class, fully provisioned for it's intended mission of "extended range deep space exploration" before being tasked with the Marquis hunt that ultimately led it to being stranded 'so far' from home.

Aunt Kathy, lovely woman, can't drive for shiat.

Or... they didn't have a bible and made Schrödinger's starship.
 
2012-01-26 01:00:49 PM  
FTA: "As luck would have it, my oldest son got his father and me the DVD of Season Five..."

Do I just need more coffee? Please tell me what I'm missing here.
 
2012-01-26 01:03:23 PM  

sarah_t_s: GAT_00: sarah_t_s: thus made 'Schrödinger's starship' (it is both 5 years and 75 years from home at the exact same time)

See, if you actually knew what happened,

7,000 light years in 7 years. From a ship capable of sustaining, in the words of it's own navigator (who bloody well should know how fast the ship goes) 21,473 times the speed of light (0.0007 ly/s or 0.042 ly/m or 22,089.848 light years per year). Which is Warp 9.95. Which is an Intrepid class starship's maximum sustainable cruise speed. Voyager was an Intrepid class, fully provisioned for it's intended mission of "extended range deep space exploration" before being tasked with the Marquis hunt that ultimately led it to being stranded 'so far' from home.

Aunt Kathy, lovely woman, can't drive for shiat.

Or... they didn't have a bible and made Schrödinger's starship.


How often do you run your car flat out at top speed for extended periods of time?
 
2012-01-26 01:03:53 PM  

Nick the What: FTA: "As luck would have it, my oldest son got his father and me the DVD of Season Five..."

Do I just need more coffee? Please tell me what I'm missing here.


Wait!!! I just got it!!! *FACE PALM* for me.

I forgot about the elusive female trekkie.

I suck
 
2012-01-26 01:06:48 PM  

GAT_00:
How often do you run your car flat out at top speed for extended periods of time?


Depends. How often am I deposited at the other end of a continent from where I just was? I'd have tapped the god damn button down.
 
2012-01-26 01:07:35 PM  

sarah_t_s: GAT_00:
How often do you run your car flat out at top speed for extended periods of time?

Depends. How often am I deposited at the other end of a continent from where I just was? I'd have tapped the god damn button down.


And how long can you do that before your engine explodes?
 
2012-01-26 01:09:11 PM  

GAT_00: sarah_t_s: GAT_00:
How often do you run your car flat out at top speed for extended periods of time?

Depends. How often am I deposited at the other end of a continent from where I just was? I'd have tapped the god damn button down.

And how long can you do that before your engine explodes?


We have a spare Berylium sphere on board right?
 
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