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		A Girl Scouts troop's decision to admit a 7-year-old transgender child this fall has prompted three leaders to resign and dissolve their troops. Guess they'll all forfeit their tolerance badges ( huffingtonpost.com)		560
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Gig103

2011-12-21 10:33:54 PM

Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

FTFA: "I believe he was born in the wrong body,"

Oh, YOU believe? That's okay then, it isn't possible your son is a little effeminate, likes dolls and/or might be gay, he must be transgender. This is a stupid situation to put the GSA in .

Benevolent Misanthrope

2011-12-21 10:59:41 PM

A Colorado-based Girl Scouts troop's decision to admit a 7-year-old transgender child this fall has prompted three leaders to resign and dissolve their troops.

As The Christian Post is reporting, all three of the troop leaders were affiliated with the Northlake Christian School in Covington, Louisiana.

Soooo, a Colorado troup admits the kid, and that makes a bunch of stick-up-their-ass Louisiana Christians think it's their farking business and take the entire experience of scouting away from the girls in their troup. Got it.

This just in: Christians are a bunch of demented f*ckwit busybodies who tend to cut off their noses to spite other people's faces. Ric Romero reports.

shivashakti

2011-12-21 11:58:11 PM

Well, f*ck them.
If they can't learn tolerance and respect, they've got no reason to be in the Scouts.

lohphat

2011-12-22 12:10:37 AM

Christians doing god's work and loving others like Jeebus would again I see.

Silvara

2011-12-22 12:16:52 AM

Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

FTFA: "I believe he was born in the wrong body,"

Oh, YOU believe? That's okay then, it isn't possible your son is a little effeminate, likes dolls and/or might be gay, he must be transgender. This is a stupid situation to put the GSA in .

I don't think puberty is required for sexual identity. There are plenty of transgender people out there who will tell you they identified as such long before puberty. Sometimes it very specifically comes down to genes.

Silvara

2011-12-22 12:18:56 AM

Also, those troop leaders aren't even in the same goddamn state. fark em, let them leave.

Rincewind53

2011-12-22 12:20:12 AM

Silvara: Also, those troop leaders aren't even in the same goddamn state. fark em, let them leave.

Yeah, it takes a special kind of asshole troop leader to say; "Damn, some other troop leader in a totally different state allowed in a transgender girl, so SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING."

WhyteRaven74

2011-12-22 12:20:27 AM

Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

In a word, yes.

Also, consider that the girl in question was admitted to a troop in Colorado, and the troops that broke up are in Louisiana. That's right, people not even in the same state are so butthurt than instead of be mature adults they have to throw hissy fits.

Silvara

2011-12-22 12:23:36 AM

Rincewind53: Silvara: Also, those troop leaders aren't even in the same goddamn state. fark em, let them leave.

Yeah, it takes a special kind of asshole troop leader to say; "Damn, some other troop leader in a totally different state allowed in a transgender girl, so SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING."

Yeah, the pure coontiness of it all is impressive.

CayceP

2011-12-22 12:37:10 AM

Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

Yes. Gender presentation and who you like to fark are different things.

/I am sure this thread will be thoughtful and respectful.

TheOmni

2011-12-22 12:37:22 AM

Short answer, yes. Check out this article. It's a pretty positive article about identical twin boys that turned out to be a brother and sister,and it lets you know exactly how early this realization can occur.

And I'm assuming the mother knows her daughter somewhat better than us folks reading about it on the internet.

Genevieve Marie

2011-12-22 12:40:37 AM

shivashakti: Well, f*ck them.
If they can't learn tolerance and respect, they've got no reason to be in the Scouts.

True story: I was a D.A.R.E role model at that school in high school. My cousins went there. They've always been intolerant assholes.

However, I got to get out of class once a year to talk about what a great role model I was, and I always got a laugh out of that.

m3000

2011-12-22 12:42:29 AM

You know how I know you have no farking idea about transgendered people?

Genevieve Marie

2011-12-22 12:46:54 AM

m3000: You know how I know you have no farking idea about transgendered people?

Pretty much. Transgendered people start to understand and relate to their gender identity at the same time EVERYONE starts to understand and relate to their gender identity- between 3-5. It's pretty standard and should be understood by more people at this point.

No one's suggesting anyone have surgery as a kid, but they should be able to dress and present as whatever gender they identify with.

Tatsuma

2011-12-22 01:39:03 AM

Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

Genevieve Marie

2011-12-22 01:40:51 AM

Tatsuma: Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

A gender identity is not the same thing as a sexual identity.

Tigger

2011-12-22 01:41:14 AM

Gig103

As others have pointed out your position is completely incorrect and there's a vast amount of data demonstrating that.

In fact it's MORE likely that a transgender individual will report identity issues prior to puberty rather than after.

What I'm more interested in is why, when you clearly have absolutely no knowledge about it, you felt comfortable telling us what a stupid situation was?

c'est weird non?

give me doughnuts

2011-12-22 01:47:45 AM

So if parents ever come into the workplace trying to fund-raise for their kids in American Heritage Scouts (Boys and Girls), please be so kind as to spit in their eye.

MorrisBird

2011-12-22 01:48:00 AM

Tigger: Gig103

As others have pointed out your position is completely incorrect and there's a vast amount of data demonstrating that.

In fact it's MORE likely that a transgender individual will report identity issues prior to puberty rather than after.

What I'm more interested in is why, when you clearly have absolutely no knowledge about it, you felt comfortable telling us what a stupid situation was?

c'est weird non?

Because, truthiness. Ya gotta go with your gut. Facts are dangerous.

give me doughnuts

2011-12-22 01:49:58 AM

Correction: Just girls. The BSA is already intolerant enough.

haemaker

2011-12-22 02:15:15 AM

Genevieve Marie: Tatsuma: Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

A gender identity is not the same thing as a sexual identity.

Yea, it would be awesome if she is transgender AND lesbian! That would really freak them out.

syrynxx

2011-12-22 02:17:12 AM

I wonder how the parents made the decision between transgender and plain old gay. Just because a little kid says he wants to be a girl isn't enough, or we'd be up to our ears in astronauts and firemen and ballerinas and princesses.

EvilEgg

2011-12-22 02:23:56 AM

While I'm not sure they handled it well I don't think I would want a male going on campouts and such with my girls with my daughter when they are both going to be going through puberty soon.

WhyteRaven74

2011-12-22 02:30:05 AM

EvilEgg: going through puberty soon.

Seven year olds aren't exactly hitting puberty soon. They've got a good oh 3 to 5 years to go before they hit it.

EvilEgg

2011-12-22 02:39:39 AM

WhyteRaven74: EvilEgg: going through puberty soon.

Seven year olds aren't exactly hitting puberty soon. They've got a good oh 3 to 5 years to go before they hit it.

But they still will be part of the troop when it happens. Also puberty can start much younger than that.

CanisNoir

2011-12-22 03:15:28 AM

Does he/she have a penis? If so, he/she should not really be camping with the other girls. That said, the three baitches who quit are being just that, stupid baitches cutting off their nose to spite their face and hurting their own children in the process.

Ghastly

2011-12-22 03:42:26 AM

one way or another I predict this thread is going to be filled with dicks.

lohphat

2011-12-22 03:49:31 AM

Gender identity is not about sexuality. They are independent concepts.

Gender is a concept of mind and body. The formation of gender specific brain development forms usually results in appropriate physical changes in the body, but there's plenty of data and case studies where they sometimes are mismatched. It happens. It's part of life that some people are caught inbetween. Regardless of the cause, can we not be civilized and accept who they are and let them decide who to live tier lives as their biological dice have been thrown? Why does it matter how a human is configured? Is is certainly not to confirm to mob rule.

EvilEgg

2011-12-22 03:51:44 AM

Perhaps if your gender is uncertain you should join gender based organizations.

lohphat

2011-12-22 03:56:04 AM

EvilEgg: Perhaps if your gender is uncertain you should join gender based organizations.

So much for teaching tolerance.

"Perhaps if your ~~gender~~ race is uncertain you should join ~~gender~~ race based organizations."

If this is abhorrent by today's standards -- just as the thought of felony "interracial" marriage is today -- why to we look the other way here?

Whatever appended to teaching kids to be good people first notepad of tribal tools?

lohphat

2011-12-22 03:56:53 AM

*happened

Farking Otto Korrekt

EvilEgg

2011-12-22 04:12:59 AM

lohphat: EvilEgg: Perhaps if your gender is uncertain you should join gender based organizations.

So much for teaching tolerance.

"Perhaps if your gender race is uncertain you should join gender race based organizations."

If this is abhorrent by today's standards -- just as the thought of felony "interracial" marriage is today -- why to we look the other way here?

Whatever appended to teaching kids to be good people first notepad of tribal tools?

No one can be 100% certain of their race. Most people can be 100% certain of their gender.

I'm all for tolerance, but gender is, with rare exceptions, a very easy thing to determine. If yours isn't easy then joining an organization that relies on it may not be your thing. Try Campfire.

lohphat

2011-12-22 04:21:49 AM

EvilEgg:

I'm all for tolerance, but gender is, with rare exceptions, a very easy thing to determine. If yours isn't easy then joining an organization that relies on it may not be your thing. Try Campfire.

Gender of the mid is different than gender if the body and even then there are grey areas. There are a lot of these people. It's not *that* rare.

Whats important here? Beng with others of similar mindset or similar plumbing? Kids at that age don't bathe together.

EvilEgg

2011-12-22 04:39:32 AM

lohphat: EvilEgg:

I'm all for tolerance, but gender is, with rare exceptions, a very easy thing to determine. If yours isn't easy then joining an organization that relies on it may not be your thing. Try Campfire.

Gender of the mid is different than gender if the body and even then there are grey areas. There are a lot of these people. It's not *that* rare.

Whats important here? Beng with others of similar mindset or similar plumbing? Kids at that age don't bathe together.

Important for who? The transgender person or the others. If the others join an organization only for girls, do their opinions matter? Why not just join a group where it isn't an issue?

lohphat

2011-12-22 04:47:32 AM

EvilEgg: lohphat: EvilEgg:

I'm all for tolerance, but gender is, with rare exceptions, a very easy thing to determine. If yours isn't easy then joining an organization that relies on it may not be your thing. Try Campfire.

Gender of the mid is different than gender if the body and even then there are grey areas. There are a lot of these people. It's not *that* rare.

Whats important here? Beng with others of similar mindset or similar plumbing? Kids at that age don't bathe together.

Important for who? The transgender person or the others. If the others join an organization only for girls, do their opinions matter? Why not just join a group where it isn't an issue?

Define "girl". The majority of them have the brain, mentality, and genitals of young females. Some do not have all three. Some have the plumbing but are mentally and emotionally (and sometimes hormonally) male.

I'd posit that these organizations promote "girlness" not plumbing.

AbbeySomeone

2011-12-22 05:47:40 AM

Some people just like being outraged or making a point. If they want to resign, let them and thank them for showing you who they are.
That said, most children are aware of their sexual identity at a young age, but getting a sex change shouldn't be done until adulthood.

PonceAlyosha

2011-12-22 06:08:39 AM

lohphat: Define "girl". The majority of them have the brain, mentality, and genitals of young females. Some do not have all three. Some have the plumbing but are mentally and emotionally (and sometimes hormonally) male.

Divorcing hormones from "gender specific emotions and mental states" makes the idea that "male and female" emotions and mental states moot.

SirEattonHogg

2011-12-22 06:10:09 AM

I'm a guy and since puberty atleast part of me always wants to be in a girl

thelordofcheese

2011-12-22 06:14:12 AM

That's so gay.

AverageAmericanGuy

2011-12-22 06:18:45 AM

This had better not affect the flow of Samoas.

MannaxOne

2011-12-22 06:19:46 AM

Got nuts... go to the boy scouts.
Got no nuts... Go to the girl scouts.

Quit using your children to push your social/political agenda.

Baron Von Supercock

2011-12-22 06:20:30 AM

PonceAlyosha

2011-12-22 06:21:09 AM

MannaxOne: Got nuts... go to the boy scouts.
Got no nuts... Go to the girl scouts.

Quit using your children to push your social/political agenda.

Fallacious logic that last bit. Kids deserve equal access etc. Why no gender neutral scouts though? We can call them Swansons.

whiterrabbit

2011-12-22 06:22:58 AM

boys will be boys....

drjekel_mrhyde

2011-12-22 06:24:35 AM

Tatsuma: Gig103: Can a 7 year old be a transgender, if they haven't been through puberty and thus do not have a sexual identity?

Yes. The day my babby was born I knew he was really a girl in a boy's body.
/This has stupid written all around.

God-is-a-Taco

2011-12-22 06:24:59 AM

The Girl Scouts have been so much better than the Boy Scouts when it comes to progressive stuff like accepting people different from you, so I'm glad to see the organization continue to live up to its name.
Fark those religious turds, they don't belong in an organization that might actually help people.

God-is-a-Taco

2011-12-22 06:25:46 AM

God-is-a-Taco: live up to its name.

errr... reputation.

A Terrible Human

2011-12-22 06:26:43 AM

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

Baryogenesis

2011-12-22 06:27:41 AM

MannaxOne: Got nuts... go to the boy scouts.
Got no nuts... Go to the girl scouts.

Quit using your children to push your social/political agenda.

Remind me which group made the big stink about the transgender girl. Was it the family who just wanted their daughter to be allowed in the Girl Scouts? Or was it the 3 butt hurt troop leaders in another state that resigned and disbanded their troops in protest?

duffblue

2011-12-22 06:28:14 AM

I had hope for fark before I realized it's just another hugbox for people who think trannies are something other than mentally ill.

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