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2011-12-01 06:23:47 AM  
We didn't win the cold war. We traded them some jeans and decent shoes for the KGB Cliff notes.
 
2011-12-01 06:58:32 AM  
It's different here because the cops protect the brave free market capitalist's property and not the godless communist's property.
 
2011-12-01 09:34:28 AM  
IN RUSSIA, WE SPRAY PEPPER ON FOOD GIVEN TO US BY THE GOVERNMENT!
IN TOTALITARIAN AMERICA, GOVERNMENT PEPPER SPRAYS YOU!
 
2011-12-01 09:48:29 AM  
Good to see Mark Ames, the War Nerd, and crew still f*cking with the program.
 
2011-12-01 09:53:47 AM  
oi.
 
2011-12-01 10:11:07 AM  
That's the magazine Matt Taibbi used to write for, right?
 
2011-12-01 10:23:31 AM  

coco ebert: That's the magazine Matt Taibbi used to write for, right?


Yeah, though he hasn't been associated with them in years. The Exile used to be daily, required reading for me in the early 2000s. Consistently hilarious, whether you agreed with their politics or not.
 
2011-12-01 10:35:24 AM  
Fascist anti-communist trolls to enter thread in 3, 2, 1....
 
2011-12-01 10:39:15 AM  
U S A!!! U S A!!! U S A!!!

/So ashamed of my country
 
2011-12-01 10:40:06 AM  
Our government hated the USSR because they were jealous.
 
2011-12-01 10:41:59 AM  

bunner: We didn't win the cold war. We traded them some jeans and decent shoes for the KGB Cliff notes.


We bankrupted them through capitalism and large military expenditures.

Which is the American way. Why would anyone want to protest that?
 
2011-12-01 10:42:23 AM  
Exiled editor Yasha Levine was arrested late last night during the savage and unconstitutional police crackdown on Occupy LA. We call on the police and authorities to release Yasha, and release all protesters and media illegally arrested at the Occupy LA encampment and illegally imprisoned merely for exercising constitutionally-guaranteed rights.

Translated: "We are clueless idiots who don't understand what our constitutional rights actually are or how we can exercise them."

Your constitutional right to assemble does not mean you can do do it where ever you feel like it for as long as you want. The right to assemble includes the responsibility to do it in as non-disruptive a fashion as possible.

Never let it be said, and to your eternal shame, that all was beauty here until you came.

Also to give you a bit of a hint, the moment you resist the police in any fashion you are no longer a peaceful demonstration. Even if you sit calmly and politely let them arrest you then you are not a peaceful demonstration. Peaceful demonstrations do not get arrested as was repeatedly demonstrated by the Tea Party who somehow managed to get their message out there to everyone without a single solitary arrest much less all of the other problems associated with OWS movements.
 
2011-12-01 10:42:28 AM  
In Totalitarian America pigs raze you.
 
2011-12-01 10:42:34 AM  
Using media pools to cover domestic protests now?

Arresting reporters and holding them longer than overnight?

Yipes, Yakov Smirnoff is gonna hafta change his act soon.
 
2011-12-01 10:42:45 AM  
EMIGRATED
 
2011-12-01 10:44:21 AM  

randomjsa: Your constitutional right to assemble does not mean you can do do it where ever you feel like it for as long as you want. The right to assemble includes the responsibility to do it in as non-disruptive a fashion as possible.


Ahhh, one of the little known footnotes to the bill of rights.
 
2011-12-01 10:44:27 AM  

coeyagi: Fascist anti-communist trolls to enter thread in 3, 2, 1....


Freedom of the press doesn't apply if you don't give it up when the police tell you to! Occupy Wall Street is a bunch of aging-hippy college students who are poor and live off trust funds! I don't even know what they're trying to do! They're trying to destroy capitalism! They're a bunch of loafers who will go away when it gets cold, and we need to crush them now before they can destroy the country!

That about cover us?
 
2011-12-01 10:45:10 AM  

magusdevil: In Totalitarian America pigs raze you.


quatchi: Yipes, Yakov Smirnoff is gonna hafta change his act soon.

They say great minds think alike and fools seldom differ.

Going with the former category there.
 
2011-12-01 10:45:28 AM  
In Communist Russia: Go to jail for talking to American reporter. In Totalitarian America: Go to jail for BEING American reporter.
 
2011-12-01 10:46:37 AM  
Exiled editor Yasha Levine was arrested late last night during the savage and unconstitutional police crackdown on Occupy LA.

fail and fail in the first sentence.
 
2011-12-01 10:46:49 AM  

randomjsa: Your constitutional right to assemble does not mean you can do do it where ever you feel like it for as long as you want. The right to assemble includes the responsibility to do it in as non-disruptive a fashion as possible.


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I HOPE WE AREN'T BEING DISRUPTIVE



Disruption is the whole point of protesting.
 
2011-12-01 10:47:07 AM  
In Capitalist America, the freedom imprisons you!

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2011-12-01 10:47:12 AM  

Tusz: coeyagi: Fascist anti-communist trolls to enter thread in 3, 2, 1....

Freedom of the press doesn't apply if you don't give it up when the police tell you to! Occupy Wall Street is a bunch of aging-hippy college students who are poor and live off trust funds! I don't even know what they're trying to do! They're trying to destroy capitalism! They're a bunch of loafers who will go away when it gets cold, and we need to crush them now before they can destroy the country!

That about cover us?


Don't forget "Passive resistance is actually violence once the police have arrived, which means they can shoot you for sitting in place."
 
2011-12-01 10:47:20 AM  

randomjsa: Exiled editor Yasha Levine was arrested late last night during the savage and unconstitutional police crackdown on Occupy LA. We call on the police and authorities to release Yasha, and release all protesters and media illegally arrested at the Occupy LA encampment and illegally imprisoned merely for exercising constitutionally-guaranteed rights.

Translated: "We are clueless idiots who don't understand what our constitutional rights actually are or how we can exercise them."

Your constitutional right to assemble does not mean you can do do it where ever you feel like it for as long as you want. The right to assemble includes the responsibility to do it in as non-disruptive a fashion as possible.

Never let it be said, and to your eternal shame, that all was beauty here until you came.

Also to give you a bit of a hint, the moment you resist the police in any fashion you are no longer a peaceful demonstration. Even if you sit calmly and politely let them arrest you then you are not a peaceful demonstration. Peaceful demonstrations do not get arrested as was repeatedly demonstrated by the Tea Party who somehow managed to get their message out there to everyone without a single solitary arrest much less all of the other problems associated with OWS movements.


This nonsense again?
 
2011-12-01 10:47:33 AM  

randomjsa: The right to assemble includes the responsibility to do it in as non-disruptive a fashion as possible.


show me where it says that.
 
2011-12-01 10:48:38 AM  

quatchi: Using media pools to cover domestic protests now?

Arresting reporters and holding them longer than overnight?

Yipes, Yakov Smirnoff is gonna hafta change his act soon.


Yeah, but in the age of "citizen journalists" where almost everyone carries hi-res phones/video recorders in their pockets and everyone has access to the biggest free publishing tool in human history (making everyone a journalist), how else to get around the peoples' right to speech and assembly?
 
2011-12-01 10:48:44 AM  
Sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA Bill now being voted on should terrify anyone with any historical knowledge or curiosity. I hate to sound like a nutter, but this is getting out of hand.
 
2011-12-01 10:48:56 AM  

Tusz: coeyagi: Fascist anti-communist trolls to enter thread in 3, 2, 1....

Freedom of the press doesn't apply if you don't give it up when the police tell you to! Occupy Wall Street is a bunch of aging-hippy college students who are poor and live off trust funds! I don't even know what they're trying to do! They're trying to destroy capitalism! They're a bunch of loafers who will go away when it gets cold, and we need to crush them now before they can destroy the country!

That about cover us?


randomjsa was more convincing, sincere. i.e., he believes the drool oozing from his mouth.
 
2011-12-01 10:49:50 AM  

randomjsa: Also to give you a bit of a hint, the moment you resist the police in any fashion you are no longer a peaceful demonstration. Even if you sit calmly and politely let them arrest you then you are not a peaceful demonstration.


You scare me in how you can so easily rationalize brutality.
 
2011-12-01 10:51:46 AM  

DarwiOdrade: Tusz: coeyagi: Fascist anti-communist trolls to enter thread in 3, 2, 1....

Freedom of the press doesn't apply if you don't give it up when the police tell you to! Occupy Wall Street is a bunch of aging-hippy college students who are poor and live off trust funds! I don't even know what they're trying to do! They're trying to destroy capitalism! They're a bunch of loafers who will go away when it gets cold, and we need to crush them now before they can destroy the country!

That about cover us?

Don't forget "Passive resistance is actually violence once the police have arrived, which means they can shoot you for sitting in place."


All good stuff, but I need to know why this action is somehow more justified because the guy was a former comrade of the USSR. I am disappointed in real "random" trolls and fake mocking-troll trolls for not hitting this yet.
 
2011-12-01 10:51:49 AM  

randomjsa: Exiled editor Yasha Levine was arrested late last night during the savage and unconstitutional police crackdown on Occupy LA. We call on the police and authorities to release Yasha, and release all protesters and media illegally arrested at the Occupy LA encampment and illegally imprisoned merely for exercising constitutionally-guaranteed rights.

Translated: "We are clueless idiots who don't understand what our constitutional rights actually are or how we can exercise them."

Your constitutional right to assemble does not mean you can do do it where ever you feel like it for as long as you want. The right to assemble includes the responsibility to do it in as non-disruptive a fashion as possible.

Never let it be said, and to your eternal shame, that all was beauty here until you came.

Also to give you a bit of a hint, the moment you resist the police in any fashion you are no longer a peaceful demonstration. Even if you sit calmly and politely let them arrest you then you are not a peaceful demonstration. Peaceful demonstrations do not get arrested as was repeatedly demonstrated by the Tea Party who somehow managed to get their message out there to everyone without a single solitary arrest much less all of the other problems associated with OWS movements.


Nobody takes the Tea Party seriously is why they are ignored. They can carry guns publicly and they still will just attract ridicule. The agenda of OWS is not the ostensibly clearer agenda of the Tea Party; IE: lick the balls of the wealthy and pretend you will become one. The police are acting as enforcers for the wealthy. I don't think it is very complicated.
 
2011-12-01 10:52:26 AM  

Muta: randomjsa: Also to give you a bit of a hint, the moment you resist the police in any fashion you are no longer a peaceful demonstration. Even if you sit calmly and politely let them arrest you then you are not a peaceful demonstration.

You scare me in how you can so easily rationalize brutality.


He's faking it.
 
2011-12-01 10:52:29 AM  

CPennypacker: randomjsa: Exiled editor Yasha Levine was arrested late last night during the savage and unconstitutional police crackdown on Occupy LA. We call on the police and authorities to release Yasha, and release all protesters and media illegally arrested at the Occupy LA encampment and illegally imprisoned merely for exercising constitutionally-guaranteed rights.

Translated: "We are clueless idiots who don't understand what our constitutional rights actually are or how we can exercise them."

Your constitutional right to assemble does not mean you can do do it where ever you feel like it for as long as you want. The right to assemble includes the responsibility to do it in as non-disruptive a fashion as possible.

Never let it be said, and to your eternal shame, that all was beauty here until you came.

Also to give you a bit of a hint, the moment you resist the police in any fashion you are no longer a peaceful demonstration. Even if you sit calmly and politely let them arrest you then you are not a peaceful demonstration. Peaceful demonstrations do not get arrested as was repeatedly demonstrated by the Tea Party who somehow managed to get their message out there to everyone without a single solitary arrest much less all of the other problems associated with OWS movements.

This nonsense again?


If randomnomore2 believes what he says, he's a bona fide fascist. If he does not, he's a troll. Either way, he's not worth anybody's time.
 
2011-12-01 10:53:35 AM  

CPennypacker: randomjsa: Exiled editor Yasha Levine was arrested late last night during the savage and unconstitutional police crackdown on Occupy LA. We call on the police and authorities to release Yasha, and release all protesters and media illegally arrested at the Occupy LA encampment and illegally imprisoned merely for exercising constitutionally-guaranteed rights.

Translated: "We are clueless idiots who don't understand what our constitutional rights actually are or how we can exercise them."

Your constitutional right to assemble does not mean you can do do it where ever you feel like it for as long as you want. The right to assemble includes the responsibility to do it in as non-disruptive a fashion as possible.

Never let it be said, and to your eternal shame, that all was beauty here until you came.

Also to give you a bit of a hint, the moment you resist the police in any fashion you are no longer a peaceful demonstration. Even if you sit calmly and politely let them arrest you then you are not a peaceful demonstration. Peaceful demonstrations do not get arrested as was repeatedly demonstrated by the Tea Party who somehow managed to get their message out there to everyone without a single solitary arrest much less all of the other problems associated with OWS movements.

This nonsense again?


It's the politics tab, what do you expect?

for my pointless 2 cents, I'm in two minds. on one hand, camping out is against health ordinances, city ordinances, and certain permitting laws(note: not a lawyer.). These facts do not change depending on whether the gathering is labaled an assembly, rally, protest, concert, or whatever.

OTOH, "the right of the citizens to peaceably assemble" is the entire clause: it includes neither a description other than peaceably, and nothing about a time limit. Also, questions could be raised about why the star wars episode 1 and twilight people haven't been bothered.

/off topicness.

on topic, this is rather amusing, if sadly so.
 
2011-12-01 10:53:41 AM  

randomjsa: Your constitutional right to assemble does not mean you can do do it where ever you feel like it for as long as you want. The right to assemble includes the responsibility to do it in as non-disruptive a fashion as possible.


Please point to me in the Constitution itself where it places limits on it.
 
2011-12-01 10:55:30 AM  

Muta: You scare me in how you can so easily rationalize brutality.


He's seriously gone off the deep end lately. I guess it's tough having to compete with all the younger, prettier thumb-dicked twatlord trolls.
 
2011-12-01 10:55:35 AM  
But descent is the highest form of patriotic.

Why do the police hate patrioticism?
 
2011-12-01 10:55:37 AM  

Tusz: coeyagi: Fascist anti-communist trolls to enter thread in 3, 2, 1....

Freedom of the press doesn't apply if you don't give it up when the police tell you to! Occupy Wall Street is a bunch of aging-hippy college students who are poor and live off trust funds! I don't even know what they're trying to do! They're trying to destroy capitalism! They're a bunch of loafers who will go away when it gets cold, and we need to crush them now before they can destroy the country!

That about cover us?


Ah the wonders of being so stupid, useless and angry that you have nothing better to do than to troll (poorly) on some joke forum. God bless America.
 
2011-12-01 10:55:56 AM  
Due to the number of bites already, I must say, this is some...

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2011-12-01 10:56:47 AM  

Muta: randomjsa: Also to give you a bit of a hint, the moment you resist the police in any fashion you are no longer a peaceful demonstration. Even if you sit calmly and politely let them arrest you then you are not a peaceful demonstration.

You scare me in how you can so easily rationalize brutality.


It goes both ways. Loyalists will always get tarred and feathered eventually. I believe the word is "comeuppance."

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2011-12-01 10:58:29 AM  

Mercutio74: randomjsa: Your constitutional right to assemble does not mean you can do do it where ever you feel like it for as long as you want. The right to assemble includes the responsibility to do it in as non-disruptive a fashion as possible.

Ahhh, one of the little known footnotes to the bill of rights.


I do find it interesting that right-wingers want to put tons of restrictions on the first amendment, where no restrictions are listed, and have no restrictions on the second amendment, where one is given.
 
2011-12-01 10:59:16 AM  

coeyagi: DarwiOdrade: Tusz: coeyagi: Fascist anti-communist trolls to enter thread in 3, 2, 1....

Freedom of the press doesn't apply if you don't give it up when the police tell you to! Occupy Wall Street is a bunch of aging-hippy college students who are poor and live off trust funds! I don't even know what they're trying to do! They're trying to destroy capitalism! They're a bunch of loafers who will go away when it gets cold, and we need to crush them now before they can destroy the country!

That about cover us?

Don't forget "Passive resistance is actually violence once the police have arrived, which means they can shoot you for sitting in place."

All good stuff, but I need to know why this action is somehow more justified because the guy was a former comrade of the USSR. I am disappointed in real "random" trolls and fake mocking-troll trolls for not hitting this yet.


Obviously because he's a furriner, silly.
 
2011-12-01 10:59:45 AM  

randomjsa: Even if you sit calmly and politely let them arrest you then you are not a peaceful demonstration.


You were tipping your hand earlier. Now you've licked your palm, wiped it on your Cro-Magnon forehead and stuck the cards to it.
 
2011-12-01 11:01:26 AM  
Oh cripes, Thne Fark Constitutional Law Scholars have arrived, sporting their brand new GEDs In Law.

All public speech, symbolic or otherwise, is subject to reasonable restrictions on the time, place, and manner of expression. Clark v. Community for Creative Non-Violence, 468 U.S. 288, 293, 104 S.Ct. 3065, 3068, 82 L.Ed.2d 221 (1984).
 
2011-12-01 11:02:24 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Mercutio74: randomjsa: Your constitutional right to assemble does not mean you can do do it where ever you feel like it for as long as you want. The right to assemble includes the responsibility to do it in as non-disruptive a fashion as possible.

Ahhh, one of the little known footnotes to the bill of rights.

I do find it interesting that right-wingers want to put tons of restrictions on the first amendment, where no restrictions are listed, and have no restrictions on the second amendment, where one is given.


"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

There are no restrictions on the second amendment. The first part is a rationalization for the second, not a restriction.
 
2011-12-01 11:02:45 AM  

halfof33: Oh cripes, Thne Fark Constitutional Law Scholars have arrived, sporting their brand new GEDs In Law.

All public speech, symbolic or otherwise, is subject to reasonable restrictions on the time, place, and manner of expression. Clark v. Community for Creative Non-Violence, 468 U.S. 288, 293, 104 S.Ct. 3065, 3068, 82 L.Ed.2d 221 (1984).


I'm sure you have lots of links to precedents spelling out what "reasonable" means, both clearly and succinctly.
 
2011-12-01 11:03:41 AM  

Muta: randomjsa: Also to give you a bit of a hint, the moment you resist the police in any fashion you are no longer a peaceful demonstration. Even if you sit calmly and politely let them arrest you then you are not a peaceful demonstration.

You scare me in how you can so easily rationalize brutality.


You scare me how casually you use the word brutality. Arresting people for violating laws is not brutality. Go to Egypt or Tunisia and see what brutality is. OWS aren'tfreedom fighters or in any way equivalent to those who risk/risked their lives in other countries/eras. Stop being so ridiculously infantile.
 
2011-12-01 11:03:53 AM  

DarwiOdrade: halfof33: Oh cripes, Thne Fark Constitutional Law Scholars have arrived, sporting their brand new GEDs In Law.

All public speech, symbolic or otherwise, is subject to reasonable restrictions on the time, place, and manner of expression. Clark v. Community for Creative Non-Violence, 468 U.S. 288, 293, 104 S.Ct. 3065, 3068, 82 L.Ed.2d 221 (1984).

I'm sure you have lots of links to precedents spelling out what "reasonable" means, both clearly and succinctly.


Reasonable does not include sitting on the ground, in his mind.
 
2011-12-01 11:04:29 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Muta: randomjsa: Also to give you a bit of a hint, the moment you resist the police in any fashion you are no longer a peaceful demonstration. Even if you sit calmly and politely let them arrest you then you are not a peaceful demonstration.

You scare me in how you can so easily rationalize brutality.

You scare me how casually you use the word brutality. Arresting people for violating laws is not brutality. Go to Egypt or Tunisia and see what brutality is. OWS aren'tfreedom fighters or in any way equivalent to those who risk/risked their lives in other countries/eras. Stop being so ridiculously infantile.


Scott Olsen would like a word with you.
 
2011-12-01 11:07:23 AM  

DarwiOdrade: halfof33: Oh cripes, Thne Fark Constitutional Law Scholars have arrived, sporting their brand new GEDs In Law.

All public speech, symbolic or otherwise, is subject to reasonable restrictions on the time, place, and manner of expression. Clark v. Community for Creative Non-Violence, 468 U.S. 288, 293, 104 S.Ct. 3065, 3068, 82 L.Ed.2d 221 (1984).

I'm sure you have lots of links to precedents spelling out what "reasonable" means, both clearly and succinctly.


Well, in that particular case the court decided that laws against camping in certain parks did not infringe on the 1st amendment. Is that clear enough?
 
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