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2011-11-20 1:48:50 PM  
Well done, students. Well done.
 
2011-11-20 1:50:17 PM  
Eerie.
 
2011-11-20 1:57:55 PM  
Looks like Davis students are getting a good education.
 
2011-11-20 2:14:32 PM  
The only thing they could have done better was to all stand as she approached, and turn their backs on her as she walked past.

But damn, that was a statement and a half.
 
2011-11-20 3:01:10 PM  
Now THAT is an education.
 
2011-11-20 3:17:29 PM  
By Fark standards I'm a geezer, but I have no problem grasping the fact that Little Brother/Sister will be around almost 24/7 and if you're in a high profile situation you can bet your golden parachute the scene will be up on YouTube in seconds. The popo and the higher ups don't appear to be cognizant of this.

Much of the U.S.'s 60's protest history is anecdotal, this time history will be written in ones and zeros.
 
2011-11-20 3:29:49 PM  

2wolves: By Fark standards I'm a geezer, but I have no problem grasping the fact that Little Brother/Sister will be around almost 24/7 and if you're in a high profile situation you can bet your golden parachute the scene will be up on YouTube in seconds. The popo and the higher ups don't appear to be cognizant of this.

Much of the U.S.'s 60's protest history is anecdotal, this time history will be written in ones and zeros.


Thank heaven. the communication age is coalescing into something decent, or seems to be.
 
2011-11-20 4:05:42 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: The only thing they could have done better was to all stand as she approached, and turn their backs on her as she walked past..


just don't talk in Klingon while you do it.
 
2011-11-20 4:08:15 PM  
And that folks, is how you do it.
 
2011-11-20 4:21:29 PM  
I love how she pulls the usual "I take responsibility"...and then doesn't do anything except try to cover her worthless ass.
 
2011-11-20 5:49:27 PM  
She's going to have to join the hall of shame with Jean Quan and Joe Paterno for doing exactly the wrong thing in the situation.

I guess this is how leadership gets tested.
 
2011-11-20 6:18:23 PM  
Walk. Of. Shame.
 
2011-11-20 6:40:09 PM  

SilentStrider: And that folks, is how you do it.

 
2011-11-20 6:55:18 PM  
Well, what's she got to be ashamed of? It's all right there in the First Amendment:

"The right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances, and to be clubbed, attacked with chemical weapons, and not permitted to peaceably assemble, whenever some petty official decides otherwise."


(Big props, students!)
 
2011-11-20 6:56:09 PM  
That was impressive. And I see the usual commentators aren't here since a good part of their shtick is missing with this.
 
2011-11-20 7:02:13 PM  
If you can't say something nice intelligent don't say anything.
 
2011-11-20 7:02:53 PM  

GAT_00: That was impressive. And I see the usual commentators aren't here since a good part of their shtick is missing with this.


wait'll it goes green. then the shills will jump in here and change the subject fast as they can.
 
2011-11-20 7:25:33 PM  
I hope she loses sleep. I hope she feels sick. she is part of the problem.
 
2011-11-20 7:26:04 PM  

vinnybang: I hope she loses sleep. I hope she feels sick. she is part of the problem.


i'll bet she sleeps very well at night.
 
2011-11-20 7:53:04 PM  
I watched this and got chills. That is how you shame someone, utter silence. I am in awe of how the students of UC Davis have comported themselves. Gandhi and King would be proud.
 
2011-11-20 8:03:36 PM  

Weaver95: vinnybang: I hope she loses sleep. I hope she feels sick. she is part of the problem.

i'll bet she sleeps very well at night.


Almost $400k/year makes for some restful slumber

Link (new window)
 
2011-11-20 8:27:14 PM  
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Awk-ward..


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2011-11-20 8:35:34 PM  
fark her. I hope she gets pepper sprayed point blank in the face. coont.
 
2011-11-20 8:37:30 PM  
Less is more.
 
2011-11-20 8:37:32 PM  
 
2011-11-20 8:37:51 PM  
You know what I oddly find sad about this? As a kid, I always looked up to law enforcement and still consider applying to be a cop from time to time. I always considered police to be heroes, but the more I see this crap and the more the departments struggle to protect their officers after they get caught, the more I feel like the wind has been taken out of my sales.

Yeah, maybe that sounds naive or behind-the-curve, but there's something depressing about seeing the extent to which so many of the people you admired as a kid turned out to be assholes. I really don't think they even realize just how badly they're hurting themselves and their own image either.
 
2011-11-20 8:40:03 PM  

Meet Us at the Stick: Weaver95: vinnybang: I hope she loses sleep. I hope she feels sick. she is part of the problem.

i'll bet she sleeps very well at night.

Almost $400k/year makes for some restful slumber

Link (new window)


I don't think she slept well.

Last night she was phone interviewed on CNN. She wouldn't shut up long enough for Don Lemon to ask any questions. He had to shut her down a few times. She called the cops out and furiously began to backpedal on the decision as soon as she heard the negative press. I don't know what she thought cops in riot gear were going to do(frankly what they did was very minimal on the scale of things they could've done).

She shouldn't lose her job over this but she certainly didn't endear herself to anyone on that campus this weekend.
 
2011-11-20 8:40:20 PM  
Nicely done.
 
2011-11-20 8:40:33 PM  

FerneJohn: You know what I oddly find sad about this?


Most cops have to deal with real criminals, and they make $40,000 a year. Most cops are good people and are Democrats and are union.
 
2011-11-20 8:40:45 PM  

Ennuipoet: I watched this and got chills. That is how you shame someone, utter silence. I am in awe of how the students of UC Davis have comported themselves. Gandhi and King would be proud.


Yes....powerful.
 
2011-11-20 8:40:46 PM  
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2011-11-20 8:40:59 PM  

FerneJohn: ...wind has been taken out of my sales sails...


Derp. Spelling helps.
 
2011-11-20 8:41:28 PM  
Bravo. I think we need an encore.
 
2011-11-20 8:41:35 PM  
...
 
2011-11-20 8:41:51 PM  
"Dead Chancellor walking!"



//as in, career-dead.
 
2011-11-20 8:41:51 PM  
Sails, not sales.
 
2011-11-20 8:41:52 PM  
Link (new window)
 
2011-11-20 8:42:00 PM  
 
2011-11-20 8:42:08 PM  
She should have done a little dance number during her walk, see if she could get a few snickers.

/good job students though.
 
2011-11-20 8:42:14 PM  
That was a very powerful video.
 
2011-11-20 8:42:16 PM  

Weaver95: vinnybang: I hope she loses sleep. I hope she feels sick. she is part of the problem.

i'll bet she sleeps very well at night.


Me too. That right there is why there is almost never such thing as a bloodless revolution. You literally have to murder the douchiness out of some people.
 
2011-11-20 8:42:22 PM  
Link (new window)
 
2011-11-20 8:43:12 PM  
This woman is a moronic twit, but how about we jail the worthless cop that committed unwarranted assault on a couple of dozen peaceful protesters? "Administrative leave" my ass.
 
2011-11-20 8:44:33 PM  
Powerful stuff. She goes from smug to solemn in 10 steps.

You could feel her shame in that video.
 
2011-11-20 8:44:52 PM  
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2011-11-20 8:45:08 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: This woman is a moronic twit, but how about we jail the worthless cop that committed unwarranted assault on a couple of dozen peaceful protesters? "Administrative leave" my ass.


Strip him of his badge and execute him. That should be that standard procedure for any lawbreaking on the half of government employees from paperpushers to goddamn senators.
 
2011-11-20 8:45:08 PM  
Ah good. More Sunday nite trollbait™.

Should we do a drinking or smoking game?
 
2011-11-20 8:45:57 PM  

whidbey: Ah good. More Sunday nite trollbait™.

Should we do a drinking or smoking game?


Why not both?

/brand, p b.
 
2011-11-20 8:46:13 PM  
Go ahead and hate your neighbor,
Go ahead and cheat a friend.
Do it in the name of Heaven,
You can justify it in the end.
There won't be any trumpets blowing
Come the judgement day,
On the bloody morning after....
One tin soldier rides away.
 
2011-11-20 8:46:24 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: This woman is a moronic twit, but how about we jail the worthless cop that committed unwarranted assault on a couple of dozen peaceful protesters? "Administrative leave" my ass.


While all his buddies stood there and protected him.
 
2011-11-20 8:46:57 PM  

vernonFL: FerneJohn: You know what I oddly find sad about this?

Most cops have to deal with real criminals, and they make $40,000 a year. Most cops are good people and are Democrats and are union.


Well, it's time "most cops" stopped covering up for the abusive assholes who give them a bad name.
 
2011-11-20 8:46:59 PM  

reveal101: Weaver95: vinnybang: I hope she loses sleep. I hope she feels sick. she is part of the problem.

i'll bet she sleeps very well at night.

Me too. That right there is why there is almost never such thing as a bloodless revolution. You literally have to murder the douchiness out of some people.

 
2011-11-20 8:47:23 PM  

whidbey: Ah good. More Sunday nite trollbait™.

Should we do a drinking or smoking game?


Robotussin.
 
2011-11-20 8:47:45 PM  
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2011-11-20 8:47:50 PM  

PonceAlyosha: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: This woman is a moronic twit, but how about we jail the worthless cop that committed unwarranted assault on a couple of dozen peaceful protesters? "Administrative leave" my ass.

Strip him of his badge and execute him. That should be that standard procedure for any lawbreaking on the half of government employees from paperpushers to goddamn senators.


You're not helping.
 
2011-11-20 8:48:31 PM  
Well done - UC Davis students. That is a powerful way to get the message across
 
2011-11-20 8:49:11 PM  

vernonFL: FerneJohn: You know what I oddly find sad about this?

Most cops have to deal with real criminals, and they make $40,000 a year. Most cops are good people and are Democrats and are union.


Yeah, really the cops should not have been there at all. There were no crimes being committed.
 
2011-11-20 8:49:27 PM  

Meet Us at the Stick: Almost $400k/year makes for some restful slumber


Contrary to modern religion, money isn't everything.
 
2011-11-20 8:50:07 PM  

Weaver95: vinnybang: I hope she loses sleep. I hope she feels sick. she is part of the problem.

i'll bet she sleeps very well at night.


No shame, no solution
No remorse, no retribution
Just people selling t-shirts
just opportunity to participate in this pathetic little circus
And winning, winning, winning
 
2011-11-20 8:50:40 PM  

gblive: Well done - UC Davis students. That is a powerful way to get the message across


Uh, what did she actually do?
 
2011-11-20 8:51:14 PM  
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2011-11-20 8:51:16 PM  

Giltric: whidbey: Ah good. More Sunday nite trollbait™.

Should we do a drinking or smoking game?

Robotussin.


Right...because that's what...the OWS folks do because they're STUPID SLACKER HIPPIES, yes! Awesome.

*lights bowl*
 
2011-11-20 8:51:30 PM  
Very classy. VERY effective.

(much better than a drum circle)
 
2011-11-20 8:51:41 PM  
Bob_Laublaw:

Well done, students. Well done.

It would have been even better if, as she was about to pass them, they turned their backs. Like a Wave of Shame.

But yes, that was eerie. Yelling and throwing things gives you the option of feeling justified in self-defense; being silently looked at like that makes you feel like a worm.
 
2011-11-20 8:51:44 PM  

Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock:
Yeah, really the cops should not have been there at all. There were no crimes being committed.


Well, not until the police showed up, anyway.
 
2011-11-20 8:51:55 PM  

Opeth1429: She shouldn't lose her job over this but she certainly didn't endear herself to anyone on that campus this weekend.


I disagree. She SHOULD lose her job over this, as should the UCD Chief of Police and the officers who pepper-sprayed the row of students. Leadership is more than just pushing budget papers and basking in the adoration of winning sports teams. When push comes to shove the buck stops on her desk, and she utterly failed any reasonable test of leadership.

The Board of Regents should meet in emergency session and fire them right down the line, just as Penn State's did when they could no longer contain the contagion.
 
2011-11-20 8:52:03 PM  
I don't understand why everyone at these protests keeps shouting "Shame on you."

Psychopaths don't feel shame. They only understand violence.
 
2011-11-20 8:52:14 PM  
Wow. That was like the end of "The Birds".

And where is the chancellor from? I can't place that accent.
 
2011-11-20 8:52:48 PM  
The casual contempt of that police thug is pretty chilling. He should be stripped of his badge and made to answer for his abuse of power.
 
2011-11-20 8:53:04 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Well, it's time "most cops" stopped covering up for the abusive assholes who give them a bad name.


I am friends with 3 cops: two of them are State Troopers and are complete assholes. The other one is a City cop who is pretty cool.

Even the asshole State Troopers can see that while they would have loved nothing more than to spray mace in the face of hippes, that they woudn't, because it would have made them look bad.

Also I am "friends" with a DEA agent who is horrified, because like the others, while he thinks it makes the police look bad.
 
2011-11-20 8:53:04 PM  
I loved this when I first saw it. Truly epic.
 
2011-11-20 8:53:06 PM  

evil saltine: gblive: Well done - UC Davis students. That is a powerful way to get the message across

Uh, what did she actually do?


She unleashed the Kraken.
 
2011-11-20 8:53:16 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: I disagree. She SHOULD lose her job over this, as should the UCD Chief of Police and the officers who pepper-sprayed the row of students. Leadership is more than just pushing budget papers and basking in the adoration of winning sports teams. When push comes to shove the buck stops on her desk, and she utterly failed any reasonable test of leadership.

The Board of Regents should meet in emergency session and fire them right down the line, just as Penn State's did when they could no longer contain the contagion.


Did she give the order to use pepper spray? No? OK, STFU then.
 
2011-11-20 8:53:19 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock:
Yeah, really the cops should not have been there at all. There were no crimes being committed.

Well, not until the police showed up, anyway.


I probably missed it - what warranted any police action? Is it not legal to protest?
 
2011-11-20 8:53:21 PM  

supichoo: Looks like Davis students are getting a good education.


the students are getting the education?
 
2011-11-20 8:53:28 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: If you can't say something nice intelligent don't say anything.


Yet here you are.
 
2011-11-20 8:54:04 PM  

cryinoutloud: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: This woman is a moronic twit, but how about we jail the worthless cop that committed unwarranted assault on a couple of dozen peaceful protesters? "Administrative leave" my ass.

While all his buddies stood there and protected him.


Come the Revolution we're gonna need an awfully long wall and lots of blindfolds and cigarettes.
 
2011-11-20 8:54:22 PM  

evil saltine: gblive: Well done - UC Davis students. That is a powerful way to get the message across

Uh, what did she actually do?


Kind of wondering myself. Did she authorize the use of pepper spray or force? Regardless, she defended the actions taken by the police which is what is rubbing everyone the wrong way.

-Protest peacefully
-Call in riot squad
-Say protesters are in way of riot squad
-Pepper spray?
 
2011-11-20 8:54:31 PM  
It puzzles me that the current administrators grew up watching footage of Selma, Birmingham,Watts and Chicago - when news cameras were film, which had to be processed - and watched those images bring the smackdown on the social order. Now a very high percentage of people are carrying video cameras in pocket and the dissemination of images has no arbiters, the way it once did, and those authorities feel at least as immune as the Bubbas from way back then.
 
2011-11-20 8:55:10 PM  

ThisNameSux: Did she give the order to use pepper spray? No? OK, STFU then.


She was the person responsible for Mr. Pepperspay's actions.

So yes.
 
2011-11-20 8:55:21 PM  
Maybe she could have just pulled a Kent State and gotten this over with.
 
2011-11-20 8:55:42 PM  

Opeth1429: Meet Us at the Stick: Weaver95: vinnybang: I hope she loses sleep. I hope she feels sick. she is part of the problem.

i'll bet she sleeps very well at night.

Almost $400k/year makes for some restful slumber

Link (new window)

I don't think she slept well.

Last night she was phone interviewed on CNN. She wouldn't shut up long enough for Don Lemon to ask any questions. He had to shut her down a few times. She called the cops out and furiously began to backpedal on the decision as soon as she heard the negative press. I don't know what she thought cops in riot gear were going to do(frankly what they did was very minimal on the scale of things they could've done).

She shouldn't lose her job over this but she certainly didn't endear herself to anyone on that campus this weekend.


She shouldn't be fired. Since she shares the students' outrage and takes full responsibility, she should resign, immediately. So firing should not be necessary. Of course, that assumes she has honor and is not merely blowing smoke to deflect her culpability.
 
2011-11-20 8:56:02 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: ire them right down the line, just as Penn State's did when they could no longer contain the contagion.


At Penn State, the "contagion" threatened the money. Nothing on this planet is more important to a college than college football. You don't threaten the money or you get fired. These protesters aren't a threat to the money, so the people in charge can safely ignore them and anything that comes of dealing with them, including unwarranted assault.
 
2011-11-20 8:56:32 PM  

ThisNameSux: StoneColdAtheist: I disagree. She SHOULD lose her job over this, as should the UCD Chief of Police and the officers who pepper-sprayed the row of students. Leadership is more than just pushing budget papers and basking in the adoration of winning sports teams. When push comes to shove the buck stops on her desk, and she utterly failed any reasonable test of leadership.

The Board of Regents should meet in emergency session and fire them right down the line, just as Penn State's did when they could no longer contain the contagion.

Did she give the order to use pepper spray? No? OK, STFU then.


She gave the order for the police to become present, if not disruptive and offensive during a legal and peaceable protest. She then defended the incident.
 
2011-11-20 8:57:05 PM  

ThisNameSux: Did she give the order to use pepper spray? No? OK, STFU then.


Who brought in the cops in the first place? Did they just show up of their own initiative?

Oh, and I found out: she's Greek. I thought I heard some Huffington in that accent.
 
2011-11-20 8:57:12 PM  
The sad thing is..they were campus police..and yes..they are "real police" having gone to the same schools as other police officers, and having the same training. They were ordered to disperse the crowd blocking the walk..and they asked them to leave, they refused, and so the police had to make them. Don't hate on the cops because these people decided to block the sidewalk and then refused to comply with lawful police orders. Don't put yourself in a position where the police might have to take action against you, then whine about it on the internet like a bunch of pussies. You called it down on yourself, now you are all attention whoring the shiat out of it. STFU and GBTW. Oh..i forgot..you dont have to work for a living. My bad..go back to being attention whores, maybe next time they will club your stupid ass and put you in the hospital,then you can sue everyone and not only be a moronic tool, but a rich one. Good luck with that. ill be watching the internets to see the fun.
 
2011-11-20 8:57:15 PM  
perhaps the only video online that wouldn't work with yakety sax.

/But I'm going to try it anyway.
 
2011-11-20 8:57:15 PM  

Marysue: She was the person responsible for Mr. Pepperspay's actions.


No, no she wasn't. Don't give me that shiat about the person at the top ultimately being responsible for the actions of those under them either. If that was the case, nobody would ever stay in a position of power. The officer made the choice to handle the situation the way he did and responsibility for that falls solely on his shoulders.
 
2011-11-20 8:57:20 PM  

Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock:
Yeah, really the cops should not have been there at all. There were no crimes being committed.

Well, not until the police showed up, anyway.

I probably missed it - what warranted any police action? Is it not legal to protest?


Not on private property.
 
2011-11-20 8:57:21 PM  

Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock:
Yeah, really the cops should not have been there at all. There were no crimes being committed.

Well, not until the police showed up, anyway.

I probably missed it - what warranted any police action? Is it not legal to protest?


Let me try it another way: "The only crimes committed were the ones that the police committed after they arrived."
 
2011-11-20 8:57:38 PM  

Giltric: What do you do when you're branded, when you fight for your name?

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I liked the Al Bundy version better.
 
2011-11-20 8:57:46 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: perhaps the only video online that wouldn't work with yakety sax.

/But I'm going to try it anyway.


Works better with keyboard cat.
 
2011-11-20 8:57:47 PM  
Watching her face during that walk, you can see how quickly shiat got real for her. Yo.
 
2011-11-20 8:57:57 PM  

robmilmel: I love how she pulls the usual "I take responsibility"...and then doesn't do anything except try to cover her worthless ass.


It's the Janet Reno defense (or as I heard on the radio, the Pontius Pilot defense)
 
2011-11-20 8:58:08 PM  

ThisNameSux: StoneColdAtheist: I disagree. She SHOULD lose her job over this, as should the UCD Chief of Police and the officers who pepper-sprayed the row of students. Leadership is more than just pushing budget papers and basking in the adoration of winning sports teams. When push comes to shove the buck stops on her desk, and she utterly failed any reasonable test of leadership.

The Board of Regents should meet in emergency session and fire them right down the line, just as Penn State's did when they could no longer contain the contagion.

Did she give the order to use pepper spray? No? OK, STFU then.


Her first reaction was to protect the cop, saying that the cop was surrounded and forced to spray them. The video shows differently and she did not check first, that's why she should go. In addition, at 400K/year, she is expected to be responsible for the university employees.
 
2011-11-20 8:58:09 PM  
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2011-11-20 8:58:33 PM  

ThisNameSux: Marysue: She was the person responsible for Mr. Pepperspay's actions.

No, no she wasn't. Don't give me that shiat about the person at the top ultimately being responsible for the actions of those under them either. If that was the case, nobody would ever stay in a position of power. The officer made the choice to handle the situation the way he did and responsibility for that falls solely on his shoulders.


You don't seem to understand how responsibility works.
 
2011-11-20 8:58:38 PM  
I was particularly moved by all the students recording the events with their iPads, iTouches and iPhones. That'll show the 1% who really runs the show.
 
2011-11-20 8:59:04 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock:
Yeah, really the cops should not have been there at all. There were no crimes being committed.

Well, not until the police showed up, anyway.

I probably missed it - what warranted any police action? Is it not legal to protest?

Let me try it another way: "The only crimes committed were the ones that the police committed after they arrived."


Oh - yeah. I'm slow like that.
 
2011-11-20 8:59:06 PM  

Weaver95: GAT_00: That was impressive. And I see the usual commentators aren't here since a good part of their shtick is missing with this.

wait'll it goes green. then the shills will jump in here and change the subject fast as they can.


because as we all know paying $5 a month for early access to the comments section of a website is the paragon of reasonableness.
 
2011-11-20 8:59:12 PM  

erveek: jehovahs witness protection: If you can't say something nice intelligent don't say anything.

Yet here you are.


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2011-11-20 8:59:13 PM  

evil saltine: Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock:
Yeah, really the cops should not have been there at all. There were no crimes being committed.

Well, not until the police showed up, anyway.

I probably missed it - what warranted any police action? Is it not legal to protest?

Not on private property.


UC Davis is a public university. It's not private property.
 
2011-11-20 8:59:18 PM  
A missed opportunity: Walk to the car arms outstretched, a can of pepper spray in each hand, spraying as you go, then get in the car and start running them down.
 
2011-11-20 8:59:26 PM  
So the right to remain silent trumps the right to free speech.
 
2011-11-20 8:59:27 PM  
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2011-11-20 8:59:27 PM  

erveek: jehovahs witness protection: If you can't say something nice intelligent don't say anything.

Yet here you are.


alltooeasydarthvader.jpg
 
2011-11-20 8:59:32 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: The sad thing is..they were campus police..and yes..they are "real police" having gone to the same schools as other police officers, and having the same training. They were ordered to disperse the crowd blocking the walk..and they asked them to leave, they refused, and so the police had to make them. Don't hate on the cops because these people decided to block the sidewalk and then refused to comply with lawful police orders. Don't put yourself in a position where the police might have to take action against you, then whine about it on the internet like a bunch of pussies. You called it down on yourself, now you are all attention whoring the shiat out of it. STFU and GBTW. Oh..i forgot..you dont have to work for a living. My bad..go back to being attention whores, maybe next time they will club your stupid ass and put you in the hospital,then you can sue everyone and not only be a moronic tool, but a rich one. Good luck with that. ill be watching the internets to see the fun.


You don't really go in for this whole "freedom" thing, do you?
 
2011-11-20 8:59:49 PM  
StoneColdAtheist:

The Board of Regents should meet in emergency session and fire them right down the line, just as Penn State's did when they could no longer contain the contagion.

But, you know, pedophilia is BAD.

While macing dirty commie hippies is just one of those things you shouldn't do in public, like picking your nose or scratching your butt.

There's a reason your average Americans let things get this bad: by and large we pretty much suck at empathy and/or self-respect. It's much easier to imitate the aggressor and piss on the person a step or two down the hierarchy.
 
2011-11-20 8:59:57 PM  
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2011-11-20 9:00:13 PM  

OneNightStand: I was particularly moved by all the students recording the events with their iPads, iTouches and iPhones. That'll show the 1% who really runs the show.


Yes, because they believe corporations shouldn't control our nation's political system they should build their own recording devices from scratch. That's not farking retarded troll logic.
 
2011-11-20 9:01:30 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: UC Davis is a public university. It's not private property.


The property belongs to the University (well technically the Regents). It's not public property in the way a park is. You can still trespass on land that happens to be owned by a governmental entity. It's like if I broke into the mayor's office and said "No! I can protest here! It's public property!"
 
2011-11-20 9:01:32 PM  
Absolutely awesome. I echo all these comments about "good education" and "good students". These are the kind of people I can look at and go, "If these people get into power, I will hope for our future."
 
2011-11-20 9:02:00 PM  

Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock:
Yeah, really the cops should not have been there at all. There were no crimes being committed.

Well, not until the police showed up, anyway.

I probably missed it - what warranted any police action? Is it not legal to protest?


Replicock, I'm glad you asked.

The Constitution is pretty open and honest in allowing citizens to peaceably gather and redress grievances. Purty much has it right in the intro text.

What's happened, however, is states and cities on a non-federal level have required that to gather and protest, you have to have permits and authorization from the very people you might have grievances with.

That's how they get you. They make laws that say you can only protest in this corner of Freedom Plaza between 7 and 9 PM. That allows the people in power to say they still have Free Speech, you just have to follow the rules.

If you do anything outside of the "Freedom Window", they get to pepper spray you and throw you in lockup.
 
2011-11-20 9:02:15 PM  

sheilanagig: 2wolves: By Fark standards I'm a geezer, but I have no problem grasping the fact that Little Brother/Sister will be around almost 24/7 and if you're in a high profile situation you can bet your golden parachute the scene will be up on YouTube in seconds. The popo and the higher ups don't appear to be cognizant of this.

Much of the U.S.'s 60's protest history is anecdotal, this time history will be written in ones and zeros.

Thank heaven. the communication age is coalescing into something decent, or seems to be.



The powers that be are aware of this and are attempting to close this little loophole with the Great Firewall of America Act aka SOPA.
The big companies that wouldn't even report on this story if it wasn't for the unholy stink of it forcing them to do so are all in favour of it.
If it passes pretty soon you'll be getting your news only from MiniTru approved channels, citizen.
 
2011-11-20 9:02:37 PM  
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You wanna go home? Or you wanna get pepper sprayed in the face?

Its not what you know. Its what you can prove.
 
2011-11-20 9:03:17 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: The sad thing is..they were campus police..and yes..they are "real police" having gone to the same schools as other police officers, and having the same training. They were ordered to disperse the crowd blocking the walk..and they asked them to leave, they refused, and so the police had to make them. Don't hate on the cops because these people decided to block the sidewalk and then refused to comply with lawful police orders.


So that warrants getting pepper sprayed? Really? Don't they teach these assholes about appropriate force escalation?
 
2011-11-20 9:03:18 PM  

calm like a bomb: Bit'O'Gristle: The sad thing is..they were campus police..and yes..they are "real police" having gone to the same schools as other police officers, and having the same training. They were ordered to disperse the crowd blocking the walk..and they asked them to leave, they refused, and so the police had to make them. Don't hate on the cops because these people decided to block the sidewalk and then refused to comply with lawful police orders. Don't put yourself in a position where the police might have to take action against you, then whine about it on the internet like a bunch of pussies. You called it down on yourself, now you are all attention whoring the shiat out of it. STFU and GBTW. Oh..i forgot..you dont have to work for a living. My bad..go back to being attention whores, maybe next time they will club your stupid ass and put you in the hospital,then you can sue everyone and not only be a moronic tool, but a rich one. Good luck with that. ill be watching the internets to see the fun.

You don't really go in for this whole "freedom" thing, do you?


All I heard was "Mmmmm, cop penis."
 
2011-11-20 9:03:36 PM  

david1963: cryinoutloud: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: This woman is a moronic twit, but how about we jail the worthless cop that committed unwarranted assault on a couple of dozen peaceful protesters? "Administrative leave" my ass.

While all his buddies stood there and protected him.

Come the Revolution we're gonna need an awfully long wall and lots of blindfolds and cigarettes.


And the marketing division of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation will be right there.
 
2011-11-20 9:03:40 PM  

PonceAlyosha: You don't seem to understand how responsibility works.


I'm certain that I understand how it works better than you do.
 
2011-11-20 9:03:41 PM  

Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock:
Yeah, really the cops should not have been there at all. There were no crimes being committed.

Well, not until the police showed up, anyway.

I probably missed it - what warranted any police action? Is it not legal to protest?


The excuse given was that they were blocking the sidewalk - although I'm sure if anyone wanted to go past, and were too douchey to go an extra 100ft or so around, the protesters would have unlinked arms and allowed them to. The point was to show their presence and solidarity, not to keep people from getting to class.

The countess or whatever failed in leadership by offering an improper and out of proportion response. If this was truly something important, she should have came out and talked to people herself, instead of calling out law enforcement to contain a bunch of people sitting around and doing nothing.
 
2011-11-20 9:03:56 PM  

PonceAlyosha: ThisNameSux: Marysue: She was the person responsible for Mr. Pepperspay's actions.

No, no she wasn't. Don't give me that shiat about the person at the top ultimately being responsible for the actions of those under them either. If that was the case, nobody would ever stay in a position of power. The officer made the choice to handle the situation the way he did and responsibility for that falls solely on his shoulders.

You don't seem to understand how responsibility works.


I'm thinking that when you (the person in charge) call in a police force dressed in riot gear to disassemble a peaceful protest, you are very much inviting the charge that you wielded that tool irresponsibly. This wasn't some post-football game drunken party gone wrong, it wasn't a UMD/Duke basketball matchup post-game pseudo-riot. This was a group of peaceful protestors on a college campus. As far as I am concerned, that should be allowed all day, any day.
 
2011-11-20 9:03:58 PM  
Glen Beck
 
2011-11-20 9:04:06 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Bit'O'Gristle: The sad thing is..they were campus police..and yes..they are "real police" having gone to the same schools as other police officers, and having the same training. They were ordered to disperse the crowd blocking the walk..and they asked them to leave, they refused, and so the police had to make them. Don't hate on the cops because these people decided to block the sidewalk and then refused to comply with lawful police orders.

So that warrants getting pepper sprayed? Really? Don't they teach these assholes about appropriate force escalation?


How would you remove them? Club them over the head?
 
2011-11-20 9:04:37 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: The sad thing is..they were campus police..and yes..they are "real police" having gone to the same schools as other police officers, and having the same training. They were ordered to disperse the crowd blocking the walk..and they asked them to leave, they refused, and so the police had to make them. Don't hate on the cops because these people decided to block the sidewalk and then refused to comply with lawful police orders. Don't put yourself in a position where the police might have to take action against you, then whine about it on the internet like a bunch of pussies. You called it down on yourself, now you are all attention whoring the shiat out of it. STFU and GBTW. Oh..i forgot..you dont have to work for a living. My bad..go back to being attention whores, maybe next time they will club your stupid ass and put you in the hospital,then you can sue everyone and not only be a moronic tool, but a rich one. Good luck with that. ill be watching the internets to see the fun.


You're most likely a troll, but for anyone who thinks this...

The cops could have tried dragging the kids off the sidewalk. But oh no! That might be strenuous!

You don't START with the pepper spray,
 
2011-11-20 9:04:46 PM  

OneNightStand: I was particularly moved by all the students recording the events with their iPads, iTouches and iPhones. That'll show the 1% who really runs the show.


Why? Because Fox News told you OWS is "against corporations" instead of offering more complicating details about taxes being at an all time low for billionaires and corporations now being legally able to buy politicians?
 
2011-11-20 9:04:57 PM  

FerneJohn: You know what I oddly find sad about this? As a kid, I always looked up to law enforcement and still consider applying to be a cop from time to time. I always considered police to be heroes, but the more I see this crap and the more the departments struggle to protect their officers after they get caught, the more I feel like the wind has been taken out of my sales.

Yeah, maybe that sounds naive or behind-the-curve, but there's something depressing about seeing the extent to which so many of the people you admired as a kid turned out to be assholes. I really don't think they even realize just how badly they're hurting themselves and their own image either.


I don't know what the day-to-day situation is for campus cops like this, but even an #OccupyRidiculer like me has a hard time figuring out what the hell could be so horrible about the day-to-day job of being a college security officer that they can't farking control themselves when confronted with garden variety collegiate leftist blowhards.

Sometimes local cops and campus security are "townies" who grow up resentful of the privileged college kids, maybe some of them served in Iraq/Afghanistan where they saw some nasty scenes and have trouble dialing back their response to people giving them shiat, but that's about all I can come up with far as triggers go.

Power corrupts us all, but the successfully corrupt know not to lose their shiat under pressure because they'll lose that power if they do.
 
2011-11-20 9:05:09 PM  

ox45tallboy: The excuse given was that they were blocking the sidewalk


...and the video shows the cop stepping over the protestors to start pepper spraying.
 
2011-11-20 9:05:18 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: The sad thing is..they were campus police..and yes..they are "real police" having gone to the same schools as other police officers, and having the same training. They were ordered to disperse the crowd blocking the walk..and they asked them to leave, they refused, and so the police had to make them. Don't hate on the cops because these people decided to block the sidewalk and then refused to comply with lawful police orders. Don't put yourself in a position where the police might have to take action against you, then whine about it on the internet like a bunch of pussies. You called it down on yourself, now you are all attention whoring the shiat out of it. STFU and GBTW. Oh..i forgot..you dont have to work for a living. My bad..go back to being attention whores, maybe next time they will club your stupid ass and put you in the hospital,then you can sue everyone and not only be a moronic tool, but a rich one. Good luck with that. ill be watching the internets to see the fun.


Yes, because lord knows it was VERY important and whatever force necessary should have been used to clear students off of a sidewalk on their campus in the middle of a weekend day. VERY IMPORTANT BUSINESS. This was not the fault of the students but an overreaction of the administration and the police to a situation that should not have been a situation.
 
2011-11-20 9:05:33 PM  

OneNightStand: I was particularly moved by all the students recording the events with their iPads, iTouches and iPhones. That'll show the 1% who really runs the show.


IPADS!


*chug*
 
2011-11-20 9:05:34 PM  
That was well done. And powerful.
 
2011-11-20 9:05:48 PM  

ThisNameSux: PonceAlyosha: You don't seem to understand how responsibility works.

I'm certain that I understand how it works better than you do.


Someone post a copy of that Fry Cook talking bout responsibility meme for me, I've misplaced mine.
 
2011-11-20 9:06:10 PM  

evil saltine: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: UC Davis is a public university. It's not private property.

The property belongs to the University (well technically the Regents). It's not public property in the way a park is. You can still trespass on land that happens to be owned by a governmental entity. It's like if I broke into the mayor's office and said "No! I can protest here! It's public property!"


True, but then again, consider the contract between the university and the students, who's mommy and daddy are paying their life's savings for these students to attend the university, and that includes access to the campus and facilities. The university has certain responsibilities to ensure the safety of the students; that's why they have a freekin campus police force in the first place. Not sure if unnecessarily pepper spraying their own students really fits into that picture; I predict lawsuits, especially if some rich Republican lawmakers kid got sprayed.
 
rka
2011-11-20 9:06:43 PM  

evil saltine: Ed Grubermann: Bit'O'Gristle: The sad thing is..they were campus police..and yes..they are "real police" having gone to the same schools as other police officers, and having the same training. They were ordered to disperse the crowd blocking the walk..and they asked them to leave, they refused, and so the police had to make them. Don't hate on the cops because these people decided to block the sidewalk and then refused to comply with lawful police orders.

So that warrants getting pepper sprayed? Really? Don't they teach these assholes about appropriate force escalation?

How would you remove them? Club them over the head?


I wouldn't be so stupid as to try to remove them in the first place. It's a sidewalk. They haven't overthrown the guards at Attica.
 
2011-11-20 9:06:49 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: The sad thing is..they were campus police..and yes..they are "real police" having gone to the same schools as other police officers, and having the same training. They were ordered to disperse the crowd blocking the walk..and they asked them to leave, they refused, and so the police had to make them. Don't hate on the cops because these people decided to block the sidewalk and then refused to comply with lawful police orders. Don't put yourself in a position where the police might have to take action against you, then whine about it on the internet like a bunch of pussies. You called it down on yourself, now you are all attention whoring the shiat out of it. STFU and GBTW. Oh..i forgot..you dont have to work for a living. My bad..go back to being attention whores, maybe next time they will club your stupid ass and put you in the hospital,then you can sue everyone and not only be a moronic tool, but a rich one. Good luck with that. ill be watching the internets to see the fun.


Okay, you're obviously trolling, but define 'had to make them'.

/you know who else was just following orders?
 
2011-11-20 9:07:00 PM  

SilentStrider: OneNightStand: I was particularly moved by all the students recording the events with their iPads, iTouches and iPhones. That'll show the 1% who really runs the show.

IPADS!


*chug*


release and renew
 
2011-11-20 9:07:01 PM  

december: Weaver95: GAT_00: That was impressive. And I see the usual commentators aren't here since a good part of their shtick is missing with this.

wait'll it goes green. then the shills will jump in here and change the subject fast as they can.

because as we all know paying $5 a month for early access to the comments section of a website is the paragon of reasonableness.


What's the point of trolling a thread that isn't seen by the majority of the community? It's not about being a TotalFarker, it's about exposure and efficient use of time. But don't let your inferiority complex go to waste.
 
2011-11-20 9:07:12 PM  
Props to whoever arranged that. Really. Well done.
 
2011-11-20 9:07:24 PM  

19 Kilo: Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock:
Yeah, really the cops should not have been there at all. There were no crimes being committed.

Well, not until the police showed up, anyway.

I probably missed it - what warranted any police action? Is it not legal to protest?

Replicock, I'm glad you asked.

The Constitution is pretty open and honest in allowing citizens to peaceably gather and redress grievances. Purty much has it right in the intro text.

What's happened, however, is states and cities on a non-federal level have required that to gather and protest, you have to have permits and authorization from the very people you might have grievances with.

That's how they get you. They make laws that say you can only protest in this corner of Freedom Plaza between 7 and 9 PM. That allows the people in power to say they still have Free Speech, you just have to follow the rules.

If you do anything outside of the "Freedom Window", they get to pepper spray you and throw you in lockup.


That's an interesting and somewhat dismaying perspective. Makes me wonder how we got here. They can't stop all of us, and if the keep up with the crap in that pepper spray video, they will simply make the protestors numbers larger and larger.
 
2011-11-20 9:08:26 PM  

ThisNameSux: PonceAlyosha: You don't seem to understand how responsibility works.

I'm certain that I understand how it works better than you do.


Oh, who WAS that guy that talked about how people looked to him for leadership and you would be surprised how much responsibility he had?
 
2011-11-20 9:08:38 PM  

PonceAlyosha: Someone post a copy of that Fry Cook talking bout responsibility meme for me, I've misplaced mine.


Sorry kid, I'm not going to argue with somebody that was most likely in diapers while I was serving in the Army.
 
2011-11-20 9:08:40 PM  

KarmicDisaster: The university has certain responsibilities to ensure the safety of the students


"Pepper spray peaceful protesters" seems to rank higher on that list than "make poor snowflakes walk an extra thirty feet to go around an obstacle".
 
2011-11-20 9:08:41 PM  
Damn. Bravo. Bravo.
 
2011-11-20 9:09:13 PM  
That restored a tiny thread of hope in the human race.
 
2011-11-20 9:09:19 PM  

rka: I wouldn't be so stupid as to try to remove them in the first place. It's a sidewalk. They haven't overthrown the guards at Attica.


That's nice, but we can't shut everything down to wait for the "occupiers" to pack up and leave. Even on a weekend there is business going on.
 
2011-11-20 9:09:19 PM  
Pepper spray is a weapon and its use was not justified in this case. There was no threat, no imminent danger of harm, and no unruly crowd requiring control or dispersal.

This was a bully who enjoyed hurting people using force in an unjustified and unjustifiable manner. There is no ethical or moral way one can defend the use of chemical weapons against people who are not actively resisting or physically violent. The protestors could have been cuffed and arrested if there was a justification for it. Instead, this asshole just decided to get his rocks off by causing people pain.
 
2011-11-20 9:09:22 PM  

evil saltine: Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock:
Yeah, really the cops should not have been there at all. There were no crimes being committed.

Well, not until the police showed up, anyway.

I probably missed it - what warranted any police action? Is it not legal to protest?

Not on private property.


The University of California - Davis is about as much private property as the Capitol building. It is owned by the State of California, just like any other state building or campus.
 
2011-11-20 9:09:54 PM  

Porous Horace: A missed opportunity: Walk to the car arms outstretched, a can of pepper spray in each hand, spraying as you go, then get in the car and start running them down.


Okay, you totally made me laugh. Nice job.
I think she's kind of pretty.
 
2011-11-20 9:10:40 PM  

ThisNameSux: PonceAlyosha: Someone post a copy of that Fry Cook talking bout responsibility meme for me, I've misplaced mine.

Sorry kid, I'm not going to argue with somebody that was most likely in diapers while I was serving in the Army.


Eggs or pancakes?
 
2011-11-20 9:10:48 PM  
James F. Campbell:

I don't understand why everyone at these protests keeps shouting "Shame on you."

Psychopaths don't feel shame. They only understand violence.


Unfortunately you're right.

But some people out in Televisionland DO feel shame for letting that shiat happen; some are even bothered enough to try to do something about it.

And unfortunately if you don't tell most onlookers that something is shameful they'll never figure it out; I must point out that Hitler and Stalin were powerfully evil as they were because most of their fellow citizens allowed them to be, either through passive acquiescence or by active support. Because most of them just weren't raised right.

My Dad had his faults but "fascist personality disorder" wasn't one of them. Even my crazy grandfather used to say "People shouldn't confuse power with authority." "...Or either with legitimacy" is all I can add.
 
2011-11-20 9:10:53 PM  

ox45tallboy: evil saltine: Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock:
Yeah, really the cops should not have been there at all. There were no crimes being committed.

Well, not until the police showed up, anyway.

I probably missed it - what warranted any police action? Is it not legal to protest?

Not on private property.

The University of California - Davis is about as much private property as the Capitol building. It is owned by the State of California, just like any other state building or campus.


Shhh...you're spoiling his sadistic fantasies!
 
2011-11-20 9:11:31 PM  
I'm glad there are still some on this site dedicated to being right-wing shills on a Sunday night.
 
2011-11-20 9:11:41 PM  
At least police draw the line at macing pregnant women and 80 year old women.
 
2011-11-20 9:11:55 PM  

evil saltine: rka: I wouldn't be so stupid as to try to remove them in the first place. It's a sidewalk. They haven't overthrown the guards at Attica.

That's nice, but we can't shut everything down to wait for the "occupiers" to pack up and leave. Even on a weekend there is business going on.


Next time you find a delivery truck blocking the sidewalk, get out the spray instead of going around! See how that works out.
 
2011-11-20 9:12:32 PM  

evil saltine: rka: I wouldn't be so stupid as to try to remove them in the first place. It's a sidewalk. They haven't overthrown the guards at Attica.

That's nice, but we can't shut everything down to wait for the "occupiers" to pack up and leave. Even on a weekend there is business going on.


The original reason given for wanting the students cleared out was that it was for their own safety since most campus buildings are locked on the weekend. That would seem to suggest that they weren't disrupting much of anything on a Saturday afternoon.
 
2011-11-20 9:12:46 PM  
She thought what could happen in Oakland and Denver and NYC could be pulled off on campus without recourse.

/she chose.... poorly
 
2011-11-20 9:12:57 PM  

chookbillion: I think she's kind of pretty.


Eh, kind of, but there's something missing...she just doesn't have enough of a spiciness to her...

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2011-11-20 9:13:04 PM  
okay, if its okay for the cops to pepper spray kids in the face, kids who are totally non-violent, if that's ok, then we are living in a police state.

why did they get pepper sprayed? for exercising their right to assembly? or free speech? because they didn't leave when the cop told them too? THIS IS AMERICA (well, its the United States of America)

Best part of the whole thing is the massed recording video of the whole thing. Serves the cops right for every time they arrested someone on trumped up charges just for video taping the cops breaking the law. Let's video the cops 24 hours a day from now on.
 
2011-11-20 9:13:29 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Next time you find a delivery truck blocking the sidewalk, get out the spray instead of going around! See how that works out.


If it was blocking the sidewalk for hours on end, the police would come along and remove it.
 
2011-11-20 9:13:35 PM  
Aidan:

Absolutely awesome. I echo all these comments about "good education" and "good students".

Actually better than drawing & quartering.

These are the kind of people I can look at and go, "If these people get into power, I will hope for our future."

Until their power goes to their heads. Like it too often has for 50,000+ years of human experience.
 
2011-11-20 9:13:52 PM  
And to these asshats claiming that the protestors disobeyed a lawful order - do we really want to live in a place where anything a cop says to do is automatically a "lawful order?" I'm not anti-police at all, but the police should not have the right to interfere with a constitutionally protected protest, especially one that is not disrupting traffic or business or otherwise causing any other significant material damage.
 
2011-11-20 9:13:52 PM  

OneNightStand: I was particularly moved by all the students recording the events with their iPads, iTouches and iPhones. That'll show the 1% who really runs the show.


Yeah, it's pretty shocking that college students can afford phones and computers.
 
2011-11-20 9:13:57 PM  
Well done, students. Golf clap and kudos.

For people from out of state, UC Davis is part of the same state run university system as UC Berkely and others (one of the largest university systems in the country and heavily subsidized by state taxes). It is often referred to as Cow College as it offers quite a bit in the way of farming and animal husbandry degrees (and a wine degree!). The students probably come from more conservative families than your typical UC Berkeley student.
 
2011-11-20 9:14:11 PM  

sleeps in trees: Sabyen91: ThisNameSux: PonceAlyosha: Someone post a copy of that Fry Cook talking bout responsibility meme for me, I've misplaced mine.

Sorry kid, I'm not going to argue with somebody that was most likely in diapers while I was serving in the Army.

Eggs or pancakes?

Hey back off buddy, he's probably seen things in the core that would melt your socks. No one pulls out the army card unless the have to.


As long as he doesn't let his wife post we are good.
 
2011-11-20 9:14:47 PM  

evil saltine: KarmicDisaster: Next time you find a delivery truck blocking the sidewalk, get out the spray instead of going around! See how that works out.

If it was blocking the sidewalk for hours on end, the police would come along and remove it.


But first they'd have to pepper-spray it as part of standard protocol. Got it.
 
2011-11-20 9:14:53 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Well, it's time "most cops" stopped covering up for the abusive assholes who give them a bad name.


The day that happens, Christianity will be over.
 
rka
2011-11-20 9:14:55 PM  

evil saltine: rka: I wouldn't be so stupid as to try to remove them in the first place. It's a sidewalk. They haven't overthrown the guards at Attica.

That's nice, but we can't shut everything down to wait for the "occupiers" to pack up and leave. Even on a weekend there is business going on.


Yeah, walking around them looked really really hard. The inconvenience they were causing certainly warranted a full on pepper spray by Officer McFatty. I'm sure the PR disaster the University is starting to face was totally worth facing down those bastards occupying a few slabs of concrete.

If the options were "SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING" or "pepper spray peaceful protestors in the face while being recorded"... yeah, I'll take shutting down the sidewalk for a few hours.
 
2011-11-20 9:15:32 PM  

evil saltine: Ed Grubermann: Bit'O'Gristle: The sad thing is..they were campus police..and yes..they are "real police" having gone to the same schools as other police officers, and having the same training. They were ordered to disperse the crowd blocking the walk..and they asked them to leave, they refused, and so the police had to make them. Don't hate on the cops because these people decided to block the sidewalk and then refused to comply with lawful police orders.

So that warrants getting pepper sprayed? Really? Don't they teach these assholes about appropriate force escalation?

How would you remove them? Club them over the head?


If they are breaking the law you take them into custody and arrest them. With your farking hands. You know, those dangly bits at the ends of your arms. The students were not violent and they posed no threat. Hell, police all over this country routinely arrest people every day with the need to beat them or subdue them with chemical agents. And if the students are NOT breaking the law you post a few officers in normal gear to keep an eye on things so the situation doesn't get out of hand.

But that requires too much thinking and too much grey area. It's better to see everything in black and white terms and just assault anyone who doesn't immediately do what anyone in power tells them to.
 
2011-11-20 9:15:43 PM  

2wolves: The popo and the higher ups don't appear to be cognizant of this.


Unfortunately where they are aware their response isn't to modify their behavior but to make documenting their actions a criminal offence, in some cases felonies carrying up to 15 years in jail.
 
2011-11-20 9:16:27 PM  

evil saltine: KarmicDisaster: Next time you find a delivery truck blocking the sidewalk, get out the spray instead of going around! See how that works out.

If it was blocking the sidewalk for hours on end, the police would come along and remove it.


By finding the driver and giving him a blast of pepper spray to the face?
 
2011-11-20 9:17:00 PM  

Ed Grubermann: If they are breaking the law you take them into custody and arrest them. With your farking hands. You know, those dangly bits at the ends of your arms.


Right, but when they link arms in order to resist arrest you have to subdue them some other way. It is the method which results in least harm to the students and officers.
 
2011-11-20 9:17:01 PM  

evil saltine: KarmicDisaster: Next time you find a delivery truck blocking the sidewalk, get out the spray instead of going around! See how that works out.

If it was blocking the sidewalk for hours on end, the police would come along and remove it.


They would tow it. Likewise, if they really needed to move these protestors because of the danger of blocking a sidewalk when classes were not in session, they should have cuffed them and hauled them off. They only reason that they would spray the truck owner would be if he started fighting with them. Likewise, if the students resisted being cuffed, then maybe they would be able to spray them. These students were not fighting, they were just sitting there. Sorry, bad police procedure.
 
2011-11-20 9:17:19 PM  
Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock:

This was a group of peaceful protestors on a college campus. As far as I am concerned, that should be allowed all day, any day.

THIS.
 
2011-11-20 9:18:05 PM  

vernonFL: At least police draw the line at macing pregnant women and 80 year old women.


But extra points for macing a pregnant 80 year old woman? Or is that bad form too?
 
2011-11-20 9:18:13 PM  

evil saltine: Ed Grubermann: If they are breaking the law you take them into custody and arrest them. With your farking hands. You know, those dangly bits at the ends of your arms.

Right, but when they link arms in order to resist arrest you have to subdue them some other way. It is the method which results in least harm to the students and officers.


And gives you hours of endless joy thinking about it.
 
2011-11-20 9:18:18 PM  

robmilmel: I love how she pulls the usual "I take responsibility"...and then doesn't do anything except try to cover her worthless ass.


This.
 
2011-11-20 9:18:25 PM  
OK, that was pretty awesome.
 
2011-11-20 9:18:40 PM  

Occulto: evil saltine: KarmicDisaster: Next time you find a delivery truck blocking the sidewalk, get out the spray instead of going around! See how that works out.

If it was blocking the sidewalk for hours on end, the police would come along and remove it.

By finding the driver and giving him a blast of pepper spray to the face?


Now there's an idea. Next time a parent parks in the drop-off lane at the elementary school, I'm breaking out the pepper spray.
 
2011-11-20 9:18:59 PM  

vernonFL: FerneJohn: You know what I oddly find sad about this?

Most cops have to deal with real criminals, and they make $40,000 a year. Most cops are good people and are Democrats and are union.


Democrats? No.
Union? Yup.
$40k? They start higher than that, without OT.
 
2011-11-20 9:19:53 PM  

Ed Grubermann: PonceAlyosha: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: This woman is a moronic twit, but how about we jail the worthless cop that committed unwarranted assault on a couple of dozen peaceful protesters? "Administrative leave" my ass.

Strip him of his badge and execute him. That should be that standard procedure for any lawbreaking on the half of government employees from paperpushers to goddamn senators.

You're not helping.


Being all butthurt and talking about it on forums doesn't really help either.

Until these people go to bed at night and fear that they may not wake up the next day because someone will come and kill them in the night...or that they may die at any time the next day...these types of things will continue.

The time for talk is becoming long past. The good people talk...the bad people just keep shooting the good and abusing their powers.
 
2011-11-20 9:19:53 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: Occulto: evil saltine: KarmicDisaster: Next time you find a delivery truck blocking the sidewalk, get out the spray instead of going around! See how that works out.

If it was blocking the sidewalk for hours on end, the police would come along and remove it.

By finding the driver and giving him a blast of pepper spray to the face?

Now there's an idea. Next time a parent parks in the drop-off lane at the elementary school, I'm breaking out the pepper spray.


Wait! First you have to tell them to leave immediately, thus satisfying the "disobedience of a lawful order" clause.
 
2011-11-20 9:20:32 PM  

chookbillion: Porous Horace: A missed opportunity: Walk to the car arms outstretched, a can of pepper spray in each hand, spraying as you go, then get in the car and start running them down.

Okay, you totally made me laugh. Nice job.
I think she's kind of pretty.


Even do a little twirl at the end.

So I was thinking that a leafblower would've come in handy when the cop started spraying. Blow it right back at 'em.

Also, seems appropriate-ish:
"Don't send in the military police and then wring your hands and say 'oh my god, you've hurt somebody', of course we have - that's what you sent us in there to do."
 
2011-11-20 9:21:08 PM  

evil saltine: Ed Grubermann: If they are breaking the law you take them into custody and arrest them. With your farking hands. You know, those dangly bits at the ends of your arms.

Right, but when they link arms in order to resist arrest you have to subdue them some other way. It is the method which results in least harm to the students and officers.


Whoa there, that's if they're breaking the law. So far nobody has come up with any laws that were broken, which means the police had no right to do anything but watch.
 
2011-11-20 9:21:11 PM  

Trackball: Until these people go to bed at night and fear that they may not wake up the next day because someone will come and kill them in the night...or that they may die at any time the next day...these types of things will continue.

The time for talk is becoming long past. The good people talk...the bad people just keep shooting the good and abusing their powers.


Maybe you should light yourself on fire as a call to arms.
 
2011-11-20 9:21:12 PM  

Beemer: $40k? They start higher than that, without OT


In Baltimore, cadets start at $38,000.
 
2011-11-20 9:21:55 PM  

apoptotic: The original reason given for wanting the students cleared out was that it was for their own safety since most campus buildings are locked on the weekend.


"To protect you from the dire threat of empty buildings we're going to have to assault you with chemical weapons. I'm sorry, but it's the only way to keep those evil empty buildings from ignoring you to death."

Sounds legit to me.
 
2011-11-20 9:22:16 PM  

Testiclaw: ox45tallboy: The excuse given was that they were blocking the sidewalk

...and the video shows the cop stepping over the protestors to start pepper spraying.


Hey, that's why I said "excuse". It wasn't a reason, it's just that our cops are trained to take control of every single situation they are ever put in. The protesters did not comply with his orders, so, based on his training, the cop felt the need to use force in order to gain control.

It was just so blatant, he held up the canister for everyone to see, then he put it directly in the face of one of the protestors and pulled the trigger, then proceeded right down the line like he was applying weed killer or something. The initial report of "we were surrounded, and Officer Friendly as a last resort was forced to use a limited amount of pepper spray to contain the aggressions of a few unruly protestors who made us feel threatened" was complete and total crap, and now everyone knows it.

Any cop who signed off on any report stating they were "surrounded" needs to hand in his badge immediately for either A.) lying on an official report, or B.) incompetence, as in failure to recognize that seated protestors pose no immediate threat to anyone.

Since when is violence used in this country to ensure compliance? Violence is supposed to only be used to contain an actual threat, not "do what I say or else."
 
2011-11-20 9:22:34 PM  
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And may I say that it's a pleasure to read a post like this from you every now and then. :)
 
2011-11-20 9:23:29 PM  
Oh, bullshiate, subby.

Grow up.

The Chancellor is not obligated to answer questions from some dickwad 'reporter'.

Hell, I would have pepper sprayed those azzhats.
 
2011-11-20 9:23:45 PM  

evil saltine: Right, but when they link arms in order to resist arrest you have to subdue them some other way. It is the method which results in least harm to the students and officers.


They didn't attempt to arrest them. They went to spray them first.

Perhaps they should've tried picking up the students before determining from 20 feet that they had resisted arrest and were a danger to the cops.
 
2011-11-20 9:23:50 PM  

david1963: Aidan:

These are the kind of people I can look at and go, "If these people get into power, I will hope for our future."

Until their power goes to their heads. Like it too often has for 50,000+ years of human experience.


Eh. They're better educated and more politically savvy than the Boomers were, and they also have the Boomers' example looming large... Everywhere they look. I mean, I don't mind folks as a whole, but there are a heck of a lot of signs saying "Don't do this exact thing." I'm hoping we, as the younger generations, can pick up on that and use it. Or at least make different mistakes, y'know?

Yes, power corrupts, but this MAY be the tip of the whiplash.
 
2011-11-20 9:24:41 PM  

Cyclometh: Pepper spray is a weapon and its use was not justified in this case. There was no threat, no imminent danger of harm, and no unruly crowd requiring control or dispersal.

This was a bully who enjoyed hurting people using force in an unjustified and unjustifiable manner. There is no ethical or moral way one can defend the use of chemical weapons against people who are not actively resisting or physically violent. The protestors could have been cuffed and arrested if there was a justification for it. Instead, this asshole just decided to get his rocks off by causing people pain.


Yep. There was absolutely no reason they couldn't have walked up, picked them up one by one, and moved them. If that had happened, we'd never have heard a peep about the incident.

It was punishment, plain and simple. The guy was punishing these people because they challenged authority.

And probably because he's a sadistic asshole who likes hurting people; and he thought he had a chance to do it and get away with it.
 
2011-11-20 9:25:31 PM  

evil saltine: Ed Grubermann: If they are breaking the law you take them into custody and arrest them. With your farking hands. You know, those dangly bits at the ends of your arms.

Right, but when they link arms in order to resist arrest you have to subdue them some other way. It is the method which results in least harm to the students and officers.


So your default action is attack with chemical agents. I'd hate to see how you deal with rebellion from your children.
 
2011-11-20 9:25:36 PM  

vernonFL: Beemer: $40k? They start higher than that, without OT

In Baltimore, cadets start at $38,000.


Oh yeah? Well, at least we know that none of them vote Democrat. That part was accurate.
 
2011-11-20 9:26:00 PM  
I got the impression that he thought it worked like Raid, and expected them to scatter, start spinning in circles, and flop over.

I for one am getting tired of the pointless theatrics. It's not accomplishing anything but discredit their cause.

Wall Street IS out of control, the student loan thing is beginning to smell like a debtors prison (and I blame the academic "industry" for scamming these kids into putting themselves into hock for worthless degrees/majors, etc.) and the curious lack of caring about Wall Street massively exporting our industrial base.

But these goofy, smelly, violent and useless "protests" are doing nothing.

If only they would spend their time and energy going door to door, making people aware of what's going on, and trying to get them to vote smarter. That would actually help change things.
 
2011-11-20 9:26:26 PM  

gilgigamesh: It was punishment, plain and simple. The guy was punishing these people because they challenged authority.

And probably because he's a sadistic asshole who likes hurting people; and he thought he had a chance to do it and get away with it.



Well, I mean I hate to say it, but it's obvious we have to see these kinds of incidents to drive home the fact we find them offensive.
 
2011-11-20 9:26:29 PM  

douchebag/hater: Oh, bullshiate, subby.

Grow up.

The Chancellor is not obligated to answer questions from some dickwad 'reporter'.

Hell, I would have pepper sprayed those azzhats.


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2011-11-20 9:26:30 PM  

Ed Grubermann: apoptotic: The original reason given for wanting the students cleared out was that it was for their own safety since most campus buildings are locked on the weekend.

"To protect you from the dire threat of empty buildings we're going to have to assault you with chemical weapons. I'm sorry, but it's the only way to keep those evil empty buildings from ignoring you to death."

Sounds legit to me.


LOL yeah, it didn't make any sense to me either. Maybe she was worried that the students were all so law abiding that over the weekend if they needed to urinate, and couldn't find an unlocked building, that their bladders would explode. Or maybe she was just stringing words together with no particular regard to whether they actually made sense.
 
2011-11-20 9:26:39 PM  

vernonFL: Beemer: $40k? They start higher than that, without OT

In Baltimore, cadets start at $38,000.


The douchebag who pulled this stunt makes over $110K/year.
 
2011-11-20 9:26:50 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: KarmicDisaster: The university has certain responsibilities to ensure the safety of the students

"Pepper spray peaceful protesters" seems to rank higher on that list than "make poor snowflakes walk an extra thirty feet to go around an obstacle".


...funny thing is that you look at the video, and the cops have blocked off the sidewalk even more. It's ridiculous, tin-thin justification.
 
2011-11-20 9:27:40 PM  
when ever she has her next assembly, whether its this year, next fall or even this graduation. all the students should just walk out on her (or turn their chair around and not face her.
 
2011-11-20 9:27:51 PM  
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2011-11-20 9:28:08 PM  

Ed Grubermann: evil saltine: Ed Grubermann: If they are breaking the law you take them into custody and arrest them. With your farking hands. You know, those dangly bits at the ends of your arms.

Right, but when they link arms in order to resist arrest you have to subdue them some other way. It is the method which results in least harm to the students and officers.

So your default action is attack with chemical agents. I'd hate to see how you deal with rebellion from your children.


Also, they didn't arrest the ones they sprayed. Think about it. They needed to subdue them so they could arrest them (in evil saltine's world) and then...didn't arrest them. They arrested some that they didn't spray...wait, doesn't that mean they didn't need to subdue them? So confusing, the authoritarian mind.
 
2011-11-20 9:28:12 PM  
thrgd456:

Let's video the cops 24 hours a day from now on.

I'm seriously considering waiting a while to get my right hearing aid fixed so I can get something to do video with. Preferably something with a phone and/or wifi so somebody else can save a running copy of it in case my thing gets smashed or stolen by the cops.

Can you record and transmit by cell at the same time? If so that'd be better than wifi because it's easier to be in range of a cell tower.

Or do some cell phones come with a USB socket so I could save to a thumb drive and transmit from that?

Yes, I know I'm behind on the latest gadgetry, you whippersnappers you.
 
2011-11-20 9:28:34 PM  

douchebag/hater: Hell, I would have pepper sprayed those azzhats.


Yes, we know you would. But we are all also aware that you are a complete asshole.
 
2011-11-20 9:28:55 PM  

douchebag/hater: Oh, bullshiate, subby.

Grow up.

The Chancellor is not obligated to answer questions from some dickwad 'reporter'.

Hell, I would have pepper sprayed those azzhats.


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2011-11-20 9:29:09 PM  
The biatch should have clearly set limits with the Pigs when she called them out to "protect" the protesters. If they were in doubt about the level of force that she should use, then they could have gotten confirmation. But seriously, who is stupid enough to do what these Farkers did?

The contempt in which the school administration holds the very people who are paying for the school's operarions is palpable.

Fire them all, Board of Regents. Revoke their pensions then put 4chan on the case to show them the error of their ways! Here's hoping the Pig in question recieves lots of BIE. 9 Y/O BIE that is!
 
2011-11-20 9:29:48 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock:
Yeah, really the cops should not have been there at all. There were no crimes being committed.

Well, not until the police showed up, anyway.


They should have covered their eyes.
 
2011-11-20 9:30:24 PM  
I might add, that the police are expected to use whatever force is needed, but not more. Every recruit is taught this. The progression goes from verbal, to twisting your arm, to sitting on you, to pepper spraying you, to tazering you, to shooting you in the face.

They don't just come up to you and say, do you know how fast you were going sir BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM or sir could you take your license out of your wallet... PSSSSSSSSS here's the spray! This guy was either completely untrained, or something is wrong with him. Either way, if someone ordered untrained officers to clear out those protestors, things are going to hit the fan.
 
2011-11-20 9:30:52 PM  

ThisNameSux: PonceAlyosha: You don't seem to understand how responsibility works.

I'm certain that I understand how it works better than you do.


Don't join the military, any branch. Don't be a cop. Don't work for anybody, ever. Don't have kids. In fact, it's best if you go ahead and stay in the basement. I'll happily subsidize your Cheeto deliveries.
 
2011-11-20 9:30:56 PM  

FizixJunkee: robmilmel: I love how she pulls the usual "I take responsibility"...and then doesn't do anything except try to cover her worthless ass.

This.


At least it occurred to her that that might be a good idea. I doubt Noriega and Qaddafi would have thought of it.
 
2011-11-20 9:31:08 PM  

Ed Grubermann: evil saltine: Ed Grubermann: If they are breaking the law you take them into custody and arrest them. With your farking hands. You know, those dangly bits at the ends of your arms.

Right, but when they link arms in order to resist arrest you have to subdue them some other way. It is the method which results in least harm to the students and officers.

So your default action is attack with chemical agents. I'd hate to see how you deal with rebellion from your children.


Remember that woman from Anchorage a few months ago, who contacted Dr. Phil about putting pepper sauce in her kids' mouth as punishment? Subsequently charged with child abuse, as I recall......
 
2011-11-20 9:31:10 PM  
Oooh. I said something negative about UC Davis chancellor Katehi and my post was removed.
 
2011-11-20 9:31:16 PM  

Porous Horace: chookbillion: Porous Horace: A missed opportunity: Walk to the car arms outstretched, a can of pepper spray in each hand, spraying as you go, then get in the car and start running them down.

Okay, you totally made me laugh. Nice job.
I think she's kind of pretty.

Even do a little twirl at the end.

So I was thinking that a leafblower would've come in handy when the cop started spraying. Blow it right back at 'em.


Oh noes! That becomes "felonious assault on a police officer!" They have to keep their eyesight in order to make judgement calls about when to use deadly force, so they would be justified in using deadly force if you did something that could impact their ability to make split-second life-or-death decisions!

Never mind the beat-down you would get once they got you in the paddy wagon.
 
2011-11-20 9:31:20 PM  

Observatory: [boingboing.net image 640x419]


/applause
 
2011-11-20 9:31:39 PM  

Cyclometh: The douchebag who pulled this stunt makes over $110K/year.


In Baltimore, the only cops who make that much are captains or the chief.

I don't know what the fark is going on in Davis, CA, but most cops DON'T make $110,000 a year to do crowd control.
 
2011-11-20 9:31:42 PM  

mark12A: I for one am getting tired of the pointless theatrics. It's not accomplishing anything but discredit their cause.


That's funny. The only people discredited here were the campus police and the Chancellor.
 
2011-11-20 9:31:52 PM  

mark12A: But these goofy, smelly, violent and useless "protests" are doing nothing.

If only they would spend their time and energy going door to door, making people aware of what's going on, and trying to get them to vote smarter. That would actually help change things.


I disagree. It's publicity. You may think its bad publicity, but you know the saying about bad publicity.

Don't get me wrong. I'd prefer the cause get directed toward organizing politically and mounting political challenges like the TEA party did, only not crazy.

But these people are bringing popular attention to the concept of wealth inequality and more importantly, the dynamics of the investor class who rule Wall Street and the Fed and conspire to push their losses off onto the public fisc. Because frankly, that is something people need to be aware of but largely aren't.
 
2011-11-20 9:32:06 PM  

skylabdown: WTF with spraying peaceful protesters in the face with ANYTHING?


Because training? It's always training.
 
2011-11-20 9:32:34 PM  

Observatory: [boingboing.net image 640x419]


(control-click into downloads).

Gracias.
 
2011-11-20 9:33:58 PM  

calbert: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 480x240]


I had the exact same thought when I first saw it. Except that you know it's not the end with the students.
 
2011-11-20 9:34:04 PM  

DarwiOdrade: evil saltine: Ed Grubermann: If they are breaking the law you take them into custody and arrest them. With your farking hands. You know, those dangly bits at the ends of your arms.

Right, but when they link arms in order to resist arrest you have to subdue them some other way. It is the method which results in least harm to the students and officers.

Whoa there, that's if they're breaking the law. So far nobody has come up with any laws that were broken, which means the police had no right to do anything but watch.


Aren't you paying attention? They "disobeyed a lawful order", never mind the fact the officer had no business giving the order in the first place, other than Countess whats-her-face said to get rid of the hippies on the lawn.

Kind of like being arrested and charged only with resisting arrest.
 
2011-11-20 9:34:15 PM  

KarmicDisaster: his guy was either completely untrained, or something is wrong with him. Either way, if someone ordered untrained officers to clear out those protestors, things are going to hit the fan.


Or, maybe, his police department has a culture where police are readily able to abuse their power without fear of repercussions as the department will cover for anything their officers do, despite whatever the official training manual says.
 
2011-11-20 9:34:48 PM  

gilgigamesh: mark12A: But these goofy, smelly, violent and useless "protests" are doing nothing.

If only they would spend their time and energy going door to door, making people aware of what's going on, and trying to get them to vote smarter. That would actually help change things.

I disagree. It's publicity. You may think its bad publicity, but you know the saying about bad publicity.

Don't get me wrong. I'd prefer the cause get directed toward organizing politically and mounting political challenges like the TEA party did, only not crazy.

But these people are bringing popular attention to the concept of wealth inequality and more importantly, the dynamics of the investor class who rule Wall Street and the Fed and conspire to push their losses off onto the public fisc. Because frankly, that is something people need to be aware of but largely aren't.


And thanks to the heavy handed police response, the protesters are also bringing attention to just how far the establishment will go to protect the status quo.
 
2011-11-20 9:34:52 PM  

OgreMagi: For people from out of state, UC Davis is part of the same state run university system as UC Berkely and others (one of the largest university systems in the country and heavily subsidized by state taxes)


The UC system isn't that heavily taxpayer funded... anymore. Only about 13% of their operating revenue comes from taxes.

Link (new window)
 
2011-11-20 9:35:04 PM  

ox45tallboy: DarwiOdrade: evil saltine: Ed Grubermann: If they are breaking the law you take them into custody and arrest them. With your farking hands. You know, those dangly bits at the ends of your arms.

Right, but when they link arms in order to resist arrest you have to subdue them some other way. It is the method which results in least harm to the students and officers.

Whoa there, that's if they're breaking the law. So far nobody has come up with any laws that were broken, which means the police had no right to do anything but watch.

Aren't you paying attention? They "disobeyed a lawful order", never mind the fact the officer had no business giving the order in the first place, other than Countess whats-her-face said to get rid of the hippies on the lawn.

Kind of like being arrested and charged only with resisting arrest.


Ahhh - the old unlawful "lawful order" defense.
 
2011-11-20 9:35:12 PM  

dionysusaur: It puzzles me that the current administrators grew up watching footage of Selma, Birmingham,Watts and Chicago - when news cameras were film, which had to be processed - and watched those images bring the smackdown on the social order. Now a very high percentage of people are carrying video cameras in pocket and the dissemination of images has no arbiters, the way it once did, and those authorities feel at least as immune as the Bubbas from way back then.


They don't feel immune. The bubbas from Alabama and Mississippi, like the authoritarians today, felt as if they were right. They weren't in fear of the truth being known, seemly acts seen by cameras nor were they concerned that a backlash would happen. They believed they were doing The Right Thing.

Some of history's biggest monsters captured on tape thought they would be seen as saviors.
 
2011-11-20 9:35:49 PM  

Observatory: [boingboing.net image 640x419]


Awesome
 
2011-11-20 9:35:57 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: Opeth1429: She shouldn't lose her job over this but she certainly didn't endear herself to anyone on that campus this weekend.

I disagree. She SHOULD lose her job over this, as should the UCD Chief of Police and the officers who pepper-sprayed the row of students. Leadership is more than just pushing budget papers and basking in the adoration of winning sports teams. When push comes to shove the buck stops on her desk, and she utterly failed any reasonable test of leadership.

The Board of Regents should meet in emergency session and fire them right down the line, just as Penn State's did when they could no longer contain the contagion.



I like this solution.
 
2011-11-20 9:36:02 PM  

ThisNameSux: ...while I was serving in the Army.


Assuming your claim is true, you were never promoted above E-3, were you? 'Cuz the burden of leadership is responsibility for the fark-ups below you.
 
2011-11-20 9:38:07 PM  
I am generally not a fan of the types of folks that involve themselves in protest but that was very well done. They made their statement without any violence or incivility, at least for those few minutes.
 
2011-11-20 9:38:15 PM  

skylabdown: WTF with spraying peaceful protesters in the face with ANYTHING?

That being said... WTF with all the non-protesters hovering around with cameras? I know the revolution is gonna be televised, but could we have some more protesters and less camerapeople?

Just saying.. it's like when anything happens now, we have all these cameraphone losers whipping out their jangly-jangle-shakey cams to record it. Kid being beat up by a gorilla? Grab the camera! Old woman being slowly run over by a steam-roller only going 2 mph? Do they drag her to safety???? Hell no, GRAB THE CAMERA!

/I know.


The first thing I thought was that it would have been cool if the moment the pepper spray begins flowing, if more and more students ran up and sat down with the original line of students. I think that many of them were pretty shocked over what was happening though. The amount of cameras was a bit weird, but it serves as a bit of an equalizer. If it's just one or two dudes with a camera, you might see some "gimme that!" from the cops. But when there are as many as there were, it was beyond the ability for the cops to do anything about it (not that they have the right to anyway, but you know...). The fact that the cop went through with the pepper spraying was pretty surprising given how it was obvious that it was being recorded, and it is hard to imagine the scenario where this plays well with the public if the scene is shown to them.
 
2011-11-20 9:38:22 PM  
Honestly, all police get training and something that is emphasized is that when they use questionable tactics, it comes back to haunt them and the department.
 
2011-11-20 9:38:42 PM  
Take a look at LEO's opinions below.
Link (new window)

Other than the well-documented fact that they were dirty hippies and deserved what they got, the official LEO blue line is that using pepper spray for breaking up peaceful protests blocking rightfully used routes is OK. I don't know if the sidewalk was public or private property and will not engage in petty arguments I don't know, the police stated they considered it a public access issue.

When did it again become acceptable for people to [openly] use escalation of violence to break up a peaceful protest after the late 60's?

And if this was an incident like in Iran, Syria or Egypt where protesters that were told to disperse were shot, how many police apologists would be making excuses for law enforcement? Because the protesters were warned so they got what they deserved, right?

How many years are we away from this reality in the United States?
 
2011-11-20 9:39:14 PM  
Trackball:


Until these people go to bed at night and fear that they may not wake up the next day because someone will come and kill them in the night...or that they may die at any time the next day...these types of things will continue.


I'm afraid you might be right.

Though I do hope it won't come to that. First the Thrones & Dominions should try firing evil-doers on the spot first, like they would when a female teacher touches a male 15 year old's knee. (I know, I now, being abused like that can scar a kid for life; it can even twist his brain into heterosexuality. But still.)

The time for talk is becoming long past. The good people talk...the bad people just keep shooting the good and abusing their powers.
 
2011-11-20 9:40:11 PM  

vernonFL: Ed Grubermann: Well, it's time "most cops" stopped covering up for the abusive assholes who give them a bad name.

I am friends with 3 cops: two of them are State Troopers and are complete assholes. The other one is a City cop who is pretty cool.

Even the asshole State Troopers can see that while they would have loved nothing more than to spray mace in the face of hippes, that they woudn't, because it would have made them look bad.

Also I am "friends" with a DEA agent who is horrified, because like the others, while he thinks it makes the police look bad.


These are campus police folks...CAMPUS police. Don't group them in the same category as regular cops or troopers and don't expect too much either.
 
2011-11-20 9:40:44 PM  

apoptotic: evil saltine: rka: I wouldn't be so stupid as to try to remove them in the first place. It's a sidewalk. They haven't overthrown the guards at Attica.

That's nice, but we can't shut everything down to wait for the "occupiers" to pack up and leave. Even on a weekend there is business going on.

The original reason given for wanting the students cleared out was that it was for their own safety since most campus buildings are locked on the weekend. That would seem to suggest that they weren't disrupting much of anything on a Saturday afternoon.



Odd, when I was a university student there were tons of people on campus virtually 24/7...cripes there were four bars and a restaurant on campus.

Must be great to get a degree that only requires a Mon-Fri work week!
 
2011-11-20 9:40:49 PM  

mark12A: If only they would spend their time and energy going door to door, making people aware of what's going on, and trying to get them to vote smarter. That would actually help change things.


Yes, because that would get the same level of global awareness and support that the OWS has succeeded in doing in just two months. Your armchair protest is typical of the terrified and confused. When you actually want to make a difference, you don't use the methods that have been failing miserably for decades. You try something more effective. Instead of hating those with the balls to do something, stop giving lame advice and go help them.
 
2011-11-20 9:41:17 PM  

KeelingLovesCornholes: These are campus police folks...CAMPUS police. Don't group them in the same category as regular cops or troopers and don't expect too much either.


Then why give them riot gear and guns?
 
2011-11-20 9:41:24 PM  
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Officer Pepperspray (new window)
 
2011-11-20 9:41:29 PM  

Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock: vernonFL: FerneJohn: You know what I oddly find sad about this?

Most cops have to deal with real criminals, and they make $40,000 a year. Most cops are good people and are Democrats and are union.

Yeah, really the cops should not have been there at all. There were no crimes being committed.


Well.... they were just following orders. Milgram's experiment showed that the majority of us are Nazis at heart, willing to torture our fellow man to death if someone in authority says they take responsibility for our actions.
 
2011-11-20 9:42:11 PM  

Farking While Farking: KarmicDisaster: his guy was either completely untrained, or something is wrong with him. Either way, if someone ordered untrained officers to clear out those protestors, things are going to hit the fan.

Or, maybe, his police department has a culture where police are readily able to abuse their power without fear of repercussions as the department will cover for anything their officers do, despite whatever the official training manual says.


If the department does not somehow justify the cop's actions, the department looks bad for having put the cop in that position in the first place. Why didn't they screen for sadistic tendencies better? Why didn't they provide better training? Why haven't they implemented better procedures?
 
2011-11-20 9:42:30 PM  

ThisNameSux: StoneColdAtheist: I disagree. She SHOULD lose her job over this, as should the UCD Chief of Police and the officers who pepper-sprayed the row of students. Leadership is more than just pushing budget papers and basking in the adoration of winning sports teams. When push comes to shove the buck stops on her desk, and she utterly failed any reasonable test of leadership.

The Board of Regents should meet in emergency session and fire them right down the line, just as Penn State's did when they could no longer contain the contagion.

Did she give the order to use pepper spray? No? OK, STFU then.


Did Obama personally and solely give the order to lend money to Solyndra? No? OK, then STFU then.

\shoe, foot, works for me
\\where does the Buck stop Sparky?
 
2011-11-20 9:43:45 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: The sad thing is..they were campus police..and yes..they are "real police" having gone to the same schools as other police officers, and having the same training. They were ordered to disperse the crowd blocking the walk..and they asked them to leave, they refused, and so the police had to make them.


So the real problem is who is ordering the police to take these actions. The police brutality is just the symptom. Ya got to follow the money to find the real source of the problem.

Oh..i forgot..you dont have to work for a living..

According to your profile you're unemployed at the moment?
 
2011-11-20 9:44:10 PM  

dr_blasto: dionysusaur: It puzzles me that the current administrators grew up watching footage of Selma, Birmingham,Watts and Chicago - when news cameras were film, which had to be processed - and watched those images bring the smackdown on the social order. Now a very high percentage of people are carrying video cameras in pocket and the dissemination of images has no arbiters, the way it once did, and those authorities feel at least as immune as the Bubbas from way back then.

They don't feel immune. The bubbas from Alabama and Mississippi, like the authoritarians today, felt as if they were right. They weren't in fear of the truth being known, seemly acts seen by cameras nor were they concerned that a backlash would happen. They believed they were doing The Right Thing.

Some of history's biggest monsters captured on tape thought they would be seen as saviors.


Not true:

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2011-11-20 9:45:00 PM  

ThisNameSux: Go ahead and hate your neighbor,
Go ahead and cheat a friend.
Do it in the name of Heaven,
You can justify it in the end.
There won't be any trumpets blowing
Come the judgement day,
On the bloody morning after....
One tin soldier rides away.


I love that song. Learned it at summer camp back in the early 80s.
 
2011-11-20 9:45:41 PM  
CHOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE

"Chancellor, students are protesting by sitting on the sidewalk, what should we do?"

Two options:

A) "Have catering send them some coffee and muffins, tell campus security to keep an eye out so no one abuses them. I love it when the students do stuff like this, such a learning experience!"

B) "Call in the riot squad! Use of chemical agents authorized! Arrest them all!"


Who do you want running the university your child attends. This is an easy one?
 
2011-11-20 9:46:15 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: The sad thing is..they were campus police..and yes..they are "real police" having gone to the same schools as other police officers, and having the same training. They were ordered to disperse the crowd blocking the walk..and they asked them to leave, they refused, and so the police had to make them. Don't hate on the cops because these people decided to block the sidewalk and then refused to comply with lawful police orders. Don't put yourself in a position where the police might have to take action against you, then whine about it on the internet like a bunch of pussies. You called it down on yourself, now you are all attention whoring the shiat out of it. STFU and GBTW. Oh..i forgot..you dont have to work for a living. My bad..go back to being attention whores, maybe next time they will club your stupid ass and put you in the hospital,then you can sue everyone and not only be a moronic tool, but a rich one. Good luck with that. ill be watching the internets to see the fun.


Perhaps, but campus chiefs hide a whole bunch of derp. Campus chiefs are where those who can't handle the responsibilities of actual policing. It's a total cush-job.
 
2011-11-20 9:46:24 PM  

Kirkenhegelstein: Assuming your claim is true, you were never promoted above E-3, were you?


I made E-6 in 5.5 years and was just about to go to the E-7 board before deciding to leave. The problem with people like you is you have no concept of the difference between being responsible for those below you and being responsible for all of their actions.
 
2011-11-20 9:46:47 PM  

Cuchulane: [img546.imageshack.us image 216x295]

Officer Pepperspray (new window)


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/obvious.
 
2011-11-20 9:46:55 PM  

KeelingLovesCornholes: These are campus police folks...CAMPUS police. Don't group them in the same category as regular cops or troopers and don't expect too much either.


The UCPD are similarly empowered as the California Highway Patrol (new window)
 
2011-11-20 9:47:02 PM  
It's good that she takes responsibility. She asked for the police to come on campus withouthaving any idea what they would do or what their "procedures" were.

I've read several sources on this today, and apparently their "procedures" include pepper-spraying people who are making no move toward them. Also, curling up in a ball to avoid being hit constitutes "resisting" that justifies hitting with a club.

Never mind income inequality: Lets start with the fact that police procedures in California have changed drastically in the last 10 years. And they have changed to become military or mercenary procedures. I can see Blackwater spraying the dubious masses of Iraq this way. But the police are not the military. The police have no business beating nonviolent US citizens.

How far are we from Kent State? It won't take the National Guard this time.
 
2011-11-20 9:47:48 PM  

Opeth1429: She shouldn't lose her job over this but she certainly didn't endear herself to anyone on that campus this weekend.


yes she should. she invited cops onto campus to attack a peaceful protest that had not threatened anything. why would it have been dangerous if the student remained camped over the weekend? why was there a deadline to remove peaceful safe protesters? it's bullshiat.

/never mind the budget cuts, etc while giving herself a massive raise.
 
2011-11-20 9:47:57 PM  
Does anyone know how exactly this was organized? It's an impressive show of discipline to not have some lone halfwit break the silence with chanting or catcalls.
 
2011-11-20 9:48:01 PM  

bighasbeen: OgreMagi: For people from out of state, UC Davis is part of the same state run university system as UC Berkely and others (one of the largest university systems in the country and heavily subsidized by state taxes)

The UC system isn't that heavily taxpayer funded... anymore. Only about 13% of their operating revenue comes from taxes.

Link (new window)


Thanks for the update. I was going by memory, which is obviously retaining outdated information.
 
2011-11-20 9:48:29 PM  
United States Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit.

...Defendants asserted at trial that the protestors' use of "black bears" constituted "'active' resistance to arrest,'" meriting the use of force. The Eureka Police Department defines "active resistance" as occurring when the "subject is attempting to interfere with the officer's actions by inflicting pain or physical injury to the officer without the use of a weapon or object." 240 F.3d at 1202-3. Characterizing the protestors' activities as "active resistance" is contrary to the facts of the case, viewing them, as we must, in the light most favorable to the protestors: the protestors were sitting peacefully, were easily moved by the police, and did not threaten or harm the officers. In sum, it would be clear to a reasonable officer that it was excessive to use pepper spray against the nonviolent protestors under these circumstances.

Defendants' repeated use of pepper spray was also clearly unreasonable. As we recently concluded, the use of pepper spray "may be reasonable as a general policy to bring an arrestee under control, but in a situation in which an arrestee surrenders and is rendered helpless, any reasonable officer would know that a continued use of the weapon or a refusal without cause to alleviate its harmful effects constitutes excessive force." LaLonde v. County of Riverside, 204 F.3d 947, 961 (9th Cir.2000) (emphasis supplied). Because the officers had control over the protestors it would have been clear to any reasonable officer that it was unnecessary to use pepper spray to bring them under control, and even less necessary to repeatedly use pepper spray against the protestors when they refused to release from the "black bears." It also would have been clear to any reasonable officer that the manner in which the officers used the pepper spray was unreasonable. Lewis and Philip "authorized full spray blasts of [pepper spray], not just Q-tip applications," despite the fact that the manufacturer's label on the canisters of pepper spray defendants used "'expressly discouraged' spraying [pepper spray] from distances of less than three feet." 240 F.3d at 1195, 1208.

Finally, it would have been clear to any reasonable officer that defendants' refusal to wash out the protestors' eyes with water constituted excessive force under the circumstances. As we noted in LaLonde-when determining that the law had been clearly established by a date that is prior to the time the pepper spray was used on the protestors-"any reasonable officer would know that ․ a refusal without cause to alleviate [pepper spray's] harmful effects constitutes excessive force." LaLonde, 204 F.3d at 961. In two of the protests, officers threatened that they would not provide the protestors with water to wash out their eyes until they released themselves from the "black bears," and in one of the protests, the officers did not provide the protestors with water for over twenty minutes. Spraying the protestors with pepper spray and then allowing them to suffer without providing them water is clearly excessive under the circumstances.

We are not prevented from denying defendants qualified immunity merely because no prior case prohibits the use of the precise force at issue in this case. In the first instance, the circumstances of LaLonde, although not identical to those in this case, are "not distinguishable in a fair way from the facts presented in the case at hand" such that their results should be different. Saucier, 121 S.Ct. at 2157. In addition, regional and state-wide police practice and protocol clearly suggest that using pepper spray against nonviolent protestors is excessive. The law regarding a police officer's use of force against a passive individual was sufficiently clear at the time of the events at issue in this case that the defendants cannot claim qualified immunity on the ground that they made a reasonable mistake of law. See Saucier, 121 S.Ct. at 2158.

Moreover, in requiring that the law put a government officer "on notice that his conduct would be clearly unlawful" before he could be held liable for violating the Constitution, the Supreme Court emphasized that it was not insisting that "courts must have agreed upon the precise formulation of the standard." Id. As we recently noted, a law can be violated "notwithstanding the absence of direct precedent ․ [o]therwise, officers would escape responsibility for the most egregious forms of conduct simply because there was no case on all fours prohibiting that particular manifestation of unconstitutional conduct." Deorle v. Rutherford, 272 F.3d 1272, 1274-75 (9th Cir.2001) (citation omitted).

Viewing the facts in the light most favorable to the protestors, we conclude that Philip and Lewis are not entitled to qualified immunity because the use of pepper spray on the protestors' eyes and faces was plainly in excess of the force necessary under the circumstances, and no reasonable officer could have concluded otherwise.
 
2011-11-20 9:48:33 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: Ted Haggard's Poop-Stained Replicock: vernonFL: FerneJohn: You know what I oddly find sad about this?

Most cops have to deal with real criminals, and they make $40,000 a year. Most cops are good people and are Democrats and are union.

Yeah, really the cops should not have been there at all. There were no crimes being committed.

Well.... they were just following orders. Milgram's experiment showed that the majority of us are Nazis at heart, willing to torture our fellow man to death if someone in authority says they take responsibility for our actions.


Exactly, and that is why the Chancellor, or whoever it was that gave the order for police to use force against college students who were blocking a sidewalk, should answer for this. Although, I suspect she very well may not have wanted things to go as they did. Who knows. The police appeared to be pretty clueless throughout the whole deal, so perhaps they were not well trained to deal with this sort of thing. And mind you, my idea of police "dealing" with this is to not engage at all.
 
2011-11-20 9:48:51 PM  

bighasbeen: OgreMagi: For people from out of state, UC Davis is part of the same state run university system as UC Berkely and others (one of the largest university systems in the country and heavily subsidized by state taxes)

The UC system isn't that heavily taxpayer funded... anymore. Only about 13% of their operating revenue comes from taxes.

Link (new window)


That's operating revenue. Here's a better link(PDF, sorry):

Base Budget Overview. Although UC Davis revenues come from many sources,
over 80 percent are designated or restricted. For example, revenues from the UC
Davis Medical Center and auxiliary enterprises such as student housing support
only those operations. Revenues from federal, state and local governments support
specific research projects. This means the primary source of funds for the campus's
teaching mission comes from unrestricted state funds and student tuition
.

Throw in the amount of Federal grant money and subsidized student loans and you're looking at a mostly taxpayer-funded institution of higher education, my friend.
 
2011-11-20 9:49:04 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: This woman is a moronic twit, but how about we jail the worthless cop that committed unwarranted assault on a couple of dozen peaceful protesters? "Administrative leave" my ass.


As I said of the NYPD the other day, what the cops do is bad, but they didn't get out there all on their own. Somebody ordered them out there and told them to "do something" without giving them any more specific instructions. What we've got here is just a microcosm of what happened in New York and Oakland and Seattle.

This twat told her glorified campus security to go "take care of things" without wanting to actually go outside and get her stockings torn by talking to the protesters and finding out what they might be saying, AND without bothering herself as to what the boys in blue might do to get things "taken care of", knowing full well she had someone to throw under the bus if things got out of hand.

It is absolutely good and right to be angry with cops who get out of control and pepper spray kids who are just sitting there quietly--but let's not forget WHO SENT THE COPS OUT THERE and why they did it. And moreover remember it was seldom out of some kind of institutionalized malice--it was more a sense of "qu'ils mangez la brioche" if you will.
 
2011-11-20 9:49:36 PM  
Your armchair protest is typical of the terrified and confused. When you actually want to make a difference, you don't use the methods that have been failing miserably for decades. You try something more effective. Instead of hating those with the balls to do something, stop giving lame advice and go help them.

Awwww, still pissed off you missed the 60's?
 
rka
2011-11-20 9:49:39 PM  

office_despot: How far are we from Kent State? It won't take the National Guard this time.


Exactly. It's just a matter of when. Wall Street? Oakland? Denver? UC Davis?

Which LEO contingent is going to fark up first?
 
2011-11-20 9:49:41 PM  
So what would happen if protestors pepper sprayed police? In self defense?
 
2011-11-20 9:49:56 PM  

office_despot: Lets start with the fact that police procedures in California have changed drastically in the last 10 years


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Why would California cops change their procedures in the last 10 years?
 
2011-11-20 9:50:11 PM  
 
2011-11-20 9:50:22 PM  

KeelingLovesCornholes: These are campus police folks...CAMPUS police. Don't group them in the same category as regular cops or troopers and don't expect too much either.


May be it is time to point out that officers on campus police forces are fully sworn law enforcement officers, no different than cops in the town or troopers on the road (ignoring the trooper academy training).
 
2011-11-20 9:51:31 PM  
Some of you people are confused about the purpose of police.

They are given pepper spray, clubs, Tazers, "non-lethal projectiles" and real guns with real bullets IN ORDER TO USE THEM. That is their job: threatening violence on sight (most cops' weapons prominently displayed) and providing actual violence whenever it might seem to be "appropriate." Everything else they do is secondary or auxilliary to that.

If you want to HELP people you become a nurse, a lawyer, a cook, a teacher, a janitor... Something really useful.

You become a cop when you want to intimidate and hurt people.
 
2011-11-20 9:51:44 PM  

Ed Grubermann: mark12A: I for one am getting tired of the pointless theatrics. It's not accomplishing anything but discredit their cause.

That's funny. The only people discredited here were the campus police and the Chancellor.


Dude, it's Mark12A. He's the kind of guy who'd double down on 20 in blackjack.

And unlike many of the tards I've seen come and go and grow and change here on Fark, he's maintained a perfect record of derp for at least the past eight years straight.
 
2011-11-20 9:52:01 PM  

david1963: thrgd456:

Let's video the cops 24 hours a day from now on.

I'm seriously considering waiting a while to get my right hearing aid fixed so I can get something to do video with. Preferably something with a phone and/or wifi so somebody else can save a running copy of it in case my thing gets smashed or stolen by the cops.

Can you record and transmit by cell at the same time? If so that'd be better than wifi because it's easier to be in range of a cell tower.

Or do some cell phones come with a USB socket so I could save to a thumb drive and transmit from that?

Yes, I know I'm behind on the latest gadgetry, you whippersnappers you.


Yes, both.
 
2011-11-20 9:52:55 PM  
Go exercise your freedom to assemble and be disruptive on your own damn property.
 
2011-11-20 9:53:02 PM  

OgreMagi: bighasbeen: OgreMagi: For people from out of state, UC Davis is part of the same state run university system as UC Berkely and others (one of the largest university systems in the country and heavily subsidized by state taxes)

The UC system isn't that heavily taxpayer funded... anymore. Only about 13% of their operating revenue comes from taxes.

Link (new window)

Thanks for the update. I was going by memory, which is obviously retaining outdated information.


Ever since Prop 13 passed the UC System has become more and more like a private university system. The whole "Wah! The state is cutting our funding!" is just a red herring for them to raise fees and the cost of on campus housing and parking as well as cutting class offerings and stringing the employees along for years with no step increases or COLA.
 
2011-11-20 9:53:39 PM  
He was just trying to say in the nicest way possible that he wanted them to go be fat somewhere else.
 
2011-11-20 9:54:24 PM  
She got so pwned I can think of how many martinis and zanex it would take for her to sleep tonight.
 
2011-11-20 9:54:37 PM  
This is really cool with porn music playing as the soundtrack..

Try it!

/brown-chicken-brown-cow...
//tried Dark Side of the Moon first, mixed results
 
2011-11-20 9:55:05 PM  

david1963: You become a cop when you want to intimidate and hurt people.


Honestly, NOT true. My uncle was a cop. He's not a bad guy. One of my friends is a cop, and while he would actually LOVE to pepper spray a pregnant girl, he wouldn't, because its against the rules.
 
2011-11-20 9:55:11 PM  

Cuchulane: [img546.imageshack.us image 216x295]

Officer Pepperspray (new window)


Officer farking pepperspray is getting paid over $100 grand a year? faaaaaark.
 
2011-11-20 9:55:20 PM  
forty years ago....
 
2011-11-20 9:56:29 PM  
I'm waiting for a peppering meme to break out, like planking only sad & funny
 
2011-11-20 9:56:31 PM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: dr_blasto: dionysusaur: It puzzles me that the current administrators grew up watching footage of Selma, Birmingham,Watts and Chicago - when news cameras were film, which had to be processed - and watched those images bring the smackdown on the social order. Now a very high percentage of people are carrying video cameras in pocket and the dissemination of images has no arbiters, the way it once did, and those authorities feel at least as immune as the Bubbas from way back then.

They don't feel immune. The bubbas from Alabama and Mississippi, like the authoritarians today, felt as if they were right. They weren't in fear of the truth being known, seemly acts seen by cameras nor were they concerned that a backlash would happen. They believed they were doing The Right Thing.

Some of history's biggest monsters captured on tape thought they would be seen as saviors.

Not true:

[i.bnet.com image 550x400]


OK, funny. In all fairness, I did say some of.
 
2011-11-20 9:56:43 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: The sad thing is..they were campus police..and yes..they are "real police" having gone to the same schools as other police officers, and having the same training. They were ordered to disperse the crowd blocking the walk..and they asked them to leave, they refused, and so the police had to make them. Don't hate on the cops because these people decided to block the sidewalk and then refused to comply with lawful police orders. Don't put yourself in a position where the police might have to take action against you, then whine about it on the internet like a bunch of pussies. You called it down on yourself, now you are all attention whoring the shiat out of it. STFU and GBTW. Oh..i forgot..you dont have to work for a living. My bad..go back to being attention whores, maybe next time they will club your stupid ass and put you in the hospital,then you can sue everyone and not only be a moronic tool, but a rich one. Good luck with that. ill be watching the internets to see the fun.


I totally agree! If the police ask you to do something, just do it! It doesn't really matter if you are trying to make a point. Man, if only everyone had the principles and smarts that you have!

They really are weak people, and you are so strong! You are right, it doesn't really take much to stand against police and get pepper sprayed in order to assert your first amendment rights. If they had a high paying and important job like you do I'm sure they'd realize that!

I only can hope that these college students will one day work for a living, and be as strong and tough and smart as you are! You are great!
 
2011-11-20 9:56:49 PM  
Anyone tired of the constant refrain that, to attract high quality administrators, one must offer absurd compensation with no regard for performance? And anyone else tired of top-dollar administrators then performing like clueless dunderheads and selffish twits? We see our government agencies and corporations fail from the top, yet the price is paid by those on the bottom.

Here we have one more top dollar paper-pushing high-class appointed moneysponge that wouldn't know how to handle a minor cooking spill, much less a tiny group of protestors blocking a ... sidewalk?

Never been much of a fan of the pretentious upscale spoiled little aggie nit students of Davis, but they surprised hell out of me here by actually practicing what they preach. To bad it is so obviously no longer enough.

I'm afraid that bongos must soon be replaced with bombs. The cancer at the top must be cut and the only conceivable way doesn't involve protests. Declaration of Independence time, or we'll soon be sprayed with more than pepper juice.

/ Ghengis Khan now!
 
2011-11-20 9:57:26 PM  

office_despot: Lets start with the fact that police procedures in California have changed drastically in the last 10 years. And they have changed to become military or mercenary procedures. ... the police are not the military. The police have no business beating nonviolent US citizens.

How far are we from Kent State? It won't take the National Guard this time.


the militarization of the police is scary farking serious issue. post 9/11 there was lots of "free" federal money to help the militarization of the police. it's funny how that when the cops arrive in combat mode they always seem to find combat. how do expectations work?

and there will be a death soon. likely not from gunfire, but a beating, or a bad reaction to a massive dose of pepper spray. the police are out of control. maybe it will be a Veteran:
Protester and three-tour American veteran Kayvan Sabehgi was beaten by Oakland police during the Occupy protest's general strike on 2 November. Sabehgi, who was 'completely peaceful', according to witnesses, was left with a lacerated spleen. (new window)
 
2011-11-20 9:57:47 PM  

vernonFL: I don't know what the fark is going on in Davis, CA, but most cops DON'T make $110,000 a year to do crowd control.


It's kinda low because Davis is fairly rural.

Average Officer in Oakland makes $188,000. Some make over $300,000. Don't forget to add the value of retiring with full salary at age fifty.
 
2011-11-20 9:58:16 PM  

boobsrgood: mark12A: If only they would spend their time and energy going door to door, making people aware of what's going on, and trying to get them to vote smarter. That would actually help change things.

Yes, because that would get the same level of global awareness and support that the OWS has succeeded in doing in just two months. Your armchair protest is typical of the terrified and confused. When you actually want to make a difference, you don't use the methods that have been failing miserably for decades. You try something more effective. Instead of hating those with the balls to do something, stop giving lame advice and go help them.


+1...no wait, make that plus eleventybillion. that guy you responded to was a retard, but I don't know how anybody could have possibly given him a response that would expose it better than you did, bravo, sir.
 
2011-11-20 10:01:56 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Take a look at LEO's opinions below.
Link (new window)


That's pretty illuminating.
 
2011-11-20 10:02:08 PM  

davynelson: forty years ago....


I hear the drumming.
 
2011-11-20 10:02:09 PM  

fnordfocus: Average Officer in Oakland makes $188,000. Some make over $300,000. Don't forget to add the value of retiring with full salary at age fifty.


I call Bullshiat. Cops in Philadelphia an DC don't make that much.

Really? Cops in Oakland make $100,00 per year? Not detectives or Captains?

Justice Department and DEA and ICE agents don't make $188,000 per year.
 
2011-11-20 10:03:25 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: This is really cool with porn music playing as the soundtrack..

Try it!

/brown-chicken-brown-cow...
//tried Dark Side of the Moon first, mixed results


====================

Pink Floyd's "Money" seems to work well

--Money ...... Its a Gas ... ( woosh )
 
2011-11-20 10:04:01 PM  

skylabdown:
That being said... WTF with all the non-protesters hovering around with cameras? I know the revolution is gonna be televised, but could we have some more protesters and less camerapeople?

Just saying.. it's like when anything happens now, we have all these cameraphone losers whipping out their jangly-jangle-shakey cams to record it. Kid being beat up by a gorilla? Grab the camera! Old woman being slowly run over by a steam-roller only going 2 mph? Do they drag her to safety???? Hell no, GRAB THE CAMERA!


Maybe it's because I'm a youngin who should generally get off everyone's lawn (and a student therefore a hippie commie to boot), but the idea of the increasing ubiquitousness of personal media devices excites and enthralls me. When everyone can own a piece of evidence, that evidence is safer and that person is more likely to feel responsibility for and inclusion in the event. People aren't just protesters anymore, they're protesters with documentation facilities inbuilt. I think those standing around shouting with their iPhones out were still protesting- albeit in a different way to those sitting down.

From a more cynical point of view, think of it this way: every hipster with a spare bit of money (or even, considering they're students, just a mobile phone plan) can record an event, but that doesn't mean they do it well. When the media reports on an event they still use the best footage- it's not like this article had forty videos embedded. Everyone has a camera, but professional photographers still get paid. Everyone's phone can record video, but journalists still make a living.

/ don't fight it, it's beautiful
// I sound hip
 
2011-11-20 10:07:01 PM  
The real idiots are the protestors. They didn't heed warnings when someone asked them to leave and disperse. I'm glad they got what they wanted. I have farked hated the OWS crap since day one. These people are greedy, weed smoking/burnt out hippies who don't give a damn that there are starving Africans. These little people who feel they were robbed by a false college education saddled with debt cause by their own choices and their decision to take it out on the 1%. I hope the 1% wins cause they seem to understand more than the average American does.

I hope the 99ers lose big time and suffer dearly. There's a thing called life where I'm holding down a job and going to college and these protestors waste their precious time protesting that will earn them nothing.
 
2011-11-20 10:08:46 PM  
Observatory:

Me likey. +1
 
2011-11-20 10:09:25 PM  
You know, I really wish the Supreme Court would put out some kind of cheat sheet for this situation, cause I don't even know what the law is anymore, and I think we should decide.

I know the people have a right to peaceably assemble, but obviously you can't just declare you're moving into a city park and start setting up tents and beds and moving in with all your shiat. Nor am I allowed to move into Gracie Mansion on the argument that my tax dollars pay for it, so it's my house too.

So where is the line? Do protesters need a permit? What if they're blocking a busy street and harming local businesses and impeding travel? What rights do the non-protesting citizens have when their lives are impacted by the protesters? Do you have an unlimited right to fark up somebody else's day if you do it because you have a grievance against the government?

And then there's the questions about the police: when do the police have the right to request protests disperse or relocate, and what methods may be used against people who refuse to leave?

Judging by this thread and every other discussion I've read of OWS, I can see that as a nation, we don't all have the same understanding of these questions, and people are getting hurt all over the country, in large part because different sets of rules are being applied, and everyone thinks their own actions are legal.

If the federal government does nothing else about OWS, I would like to see some ground rules made public so that everybody knows whether their actions at any moment are legal or illegal, and can adjust their behavior and expectations accordingly.
 
2011-11-20 10:09:28 PM  
This is from an untenured faculty member at UC Davis - and provides some shocking background that many are probably not aware of...pass it along!

Open Letter to Chancellor Linda P.B. Katehi

Linda P.B. Katehi,

I am a junior faculty member at UC Davis. I am an Assistant Professor in the Department of English, and I teach in the Program in Critical Theory and in Science & Technology Studies. I have a strong record of research, teaching, and service. I am currently a Board Member of the Davis Faculty Association. I have also taken an active role in supporting the student movement to defend public education on our campus and throughout the UC system. In a word: I am the sort of young faculty member, like many of my colleagues, this campus needs. I am an asset to the University of California at Davis.

You are not.

I write to you and to my colleagues for three reasons:

1) to express my outrage at the police brutality which occurred against students engaged in peaceful protest on the UC Davis campus today

2) to hold you accountable for this police brutality

3) to demand your immediate resignation

Today you ordered police onto our campus to clear student protesters from the quad. These were protesters who participated in a rally speaking out against tuition increases and police brutality on UC campuses on Tuesday-a rally that I organized, and which was endorsed by the Davis Faculty Association. These students attended that rally in response to a call for solidarity from students and faculty who were bludgeoned with batons, hospitalized, and arrested at UC Berkeley last week. In the highest tradition of non-violent civil disobedience, those protesters had linked arms and held their ground in defense of tents they set up beside Sproul Hall. In a gesture of solidarity with those students and faculty, and in solidarity with the national Occupy movement, students at UC Davis set up tents on the main quad. When you ordered police outfitted with riot helmets, brandishing batons and teargas guns to remove their tents today, those students sat down on the ground in a circle and linked arms to protect them.

What happened next?

Without any provocation whatsoever, other than the bodies of these students sitting where they were on the ground, with their arms linked, police pepper-sprayed students. Students remained on the ground, now writhing in pain, with their arms linked.

What happened next?

Police used batons to try to push the students apart. Those they could separate, they arrested, kneeling on their bodies and pushing their heads into the ground. Those they could not separate, they pepper-sprayed directly in the face, holding these students as they did so. When students covered their eyes with their clothing, police forced open their mouths and pepper-sprayed down their throats. Several of these students were hospitalized. Others are seriously injured. One of them, forty-five minutes after being pepper-sprayed down his throat, was still coughing up blood.

This is what happened. You are responsible for it.

You are responsible for it because this is what happens when UC Chancellors order police onto our campuses to disperse peaceful protesters through the use of force: students get hurt. Faculty get hurt. One of the most inspiring things (inspiring for those of us who care about students who assert their rights to free speech and peaceful assembly) about the demonstration in Berkeley on November 9 is that UC Berkeley faculty stood together with students, their arms linked together. Associate Professor of English Celeste Langan was grabbed by her hair, thrown on the ground, and arrested. Associate Professor Geoffrey O'Brien was injured by baton blows. Professor Robert Hass, former Poet Laureate of the United States, National Book Award and Pulitzer Prize winner, was also struck with a baton. These faculty stood together with students in solidarity, and they too were beaten and arrested by the police. In writing this letter, I stand together with those faculty and with the students they supported.

One week after this happened at UC Berkeley, you ordered police to clear tents from the quad at UC Davis. When students responded in the same way-linking arms and holding their ground-police also responded in the same way: with violent force. The fact is: the administration of UC campuses systematically uses police brutality to terrorize students and faculty, to crush political dissent on our campuses, and to suppress free speech and peaceful assembly. Many people know this. Many more people are learning it very quickly.

You are responsible for the police violence directed against students on the UC Davis quad on November 18, 2011. As I said, I am writing to hold you responsible and to demand your immediate resignation on these grounds.

On Wednesday November 16, you issued a letter by email to the campus community. In this letter, you discussed a hate crime which occurred at UC Davis on Sunday November 13. In this letter, you express concern about the safety of our students. You write, "it is particularly disturbing that such an act of intolerance should occur at a time when the campus community is working to create a safe and inviting space for all our students." You write, "while these are turbulent economic times, as a campus community, we must all be committed to a safe, welcoming environment that advances our efforts to diversity and excellence at UC Davis."

I will leave it to my colleagues and every reader of this letter to decide what poses a greater threat to "a safe and inviting space for all our students" or "a safe, welcoming environment" at UC Davis: 1) Setting up tents on the quad in solidarity with faculty and students brutalized by police at UC Berkeley? or 2) Sending in riot police to disperse students with batons, pepper-spray, and tear-gas guns, while those students sit peacefully on the ground with their arms linked? Is this what you have in mind when you refer to creating "a safe and inviting space?" Is this what you have in mind when you express commitment to "a safe, welcoming environment?"

I am writing to tell you in no uncertain terms that there must be space for protest on our campus. There must be space for political dissent on our campus. There must be space for civil disobedience on our campus. There must be space for students to assert their right to decide on the form of their protest, their dissent, and their civil disobedience-including the simple act of setting up tents in solidarity with other students who have done so. There must be space for protest and dissent, especially, when the object of protest and dissent is police brutality itself. You may not order police to forcefully disperse student protesters peacefully protesting police brutality. You may not do so. It is not an option available to you as the Chancellor of a UC campus. That is why I am calling for your immediate resignation.

Your words express concern for the safety of our students. Your actions express no concern whatsoever for the safety of our students. I deduce from this discrepancy that you are not, in fact, concerned about the safety of our students. Your actions directly threaten the safety of our students. And I want you to know that this is clear. It is clear to anyone who reads your campus emails concerning our "Principles of Community" and who also takes the time to inform themselves about your actions. You should bear in mind that when you send emails to the UC Davis community, you address a body of faculty and students who are well trained to see through rhetoric that evinces care for students while implicitly threatening them. I see through your rhetoric very clearly. You also write to a campus community that knows how to speak truth to power. That is what I am doing.

I call for your resignation because you are unfit to do your job. You are unfit to ensure the safety of students at UC Davis. In fact: you are the primary threat to the safety of students at UC Davis. As such, I call upon you to resign immediately.

Sincerely,

Nathan Brown
Assistant Professor
Department of English
Program in Critical Theory
University of California at Davis
 
2011-11-20 10:09:31 PM  
That guy get $110K? Boy, did I screw up getting an 8 year education to get yelled at by people with no money to pay for my help, instead of turning into an overpaid ass. I am truly a loser.
 
2011-11-20 10:09:45 PM  

Funk Brothers: The real idiots are the protestors. They didn't heed warnings when someone asked them to leave and disperse. I'm glad they got what they wanted. I have farked hated the OWS crap since day one. These people are greedy, weed smoking/burnt out hippies who don't give a damn that there are starving Africans. These little people who feel they were robbed by a false college education saddled with debt cause by their own choices and their decision to take it out on the 1%. I hope the 1% wins cause they seem to understand more than the average American does.

I hope the 99ers lose big time and suffer dearly. There's a thing called life where I'm holding down a job and going to college and these protestors waste their precious time protesting that will earn them nothing.


You sound like you'd like to have your 401(k) raped. May I?
 
2011-11-20 10:09:46 PM  

fnordfocus: Average Officer in Oakland makes $188,000. Some make over $300,000. Don't forget to add the value of retiring with full salary at age fifty.


Average officer in Oakland makes $23,000. Some make under a ball of twine, 2 packs of Twizzlers, and half of a shoe.
 
2011-11-20 10:10:02 PM  

Funk Brothers: The real idiots are the protestors. They didn't heed warnings when someone asked them to leave and disperse. I'm glad they got what they wanted. I have farked hated the OWS crap since day one. These people are greedy, weed smoking/burnt out hippies who don't give a damn that there are starving Africans. These little people who feel they were robbed by a false college education saddled with debt cause by their own choices and their decision to take it out on the 1%. I hope the 1% wins cause they seem to understand more than the average American does.

I hope the 99ers lose big time and suffer dearly. There's a thing called life where I'm holding down a job and going to college and these protestors waste their precious time protesting that will earn them nothing.


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2011-11-20 10:10:18 PM  

vernonFL: fnordfocus: Average Officer in Oakland makes $188,000. Some make over $300,000. Don't forget to add the value of retiring with full salary at age fifty.

I call Bullshiat. Cops in Philadelphia an DC don't make that much.

Really? Cops in Oakland make $100,00 per year? Not detectives or Captains?

Justice Department and DEA and ICE agents don't make $188,000 per year.


Depends on how much crap they can steal.....ICE is the best at that...DEA Pigs are too damn stupid to be good thieves.
 
2011-11-20 10:10:32 PM  

make me some tea: Enemabag Jones: Take a look at LEO's opinions below.
Link (new window)

That's pretty illuminating.


i would have said scary. i have seen multiple police commentators say it was justified. which is stupid blue line bullshiat since pretty much all the cited manuals state that pepper spray is to be a use if the aggressor approaches the policecoward, if the aggressor threatens the policecoward... how are the seated students "aggressors?"
 
2011-11-20 10:10:40 PM  

Funk Brothers: The real idiots are the protestors. They didn't heed warnings when someone asked them to leave and disperse. I'm glad they got what they wanted. I have farked hated the OWS crap since day one. These people are greedy, weed smoking/burnt out hippies who don't give a damn that there are starving Africans. These little people who feel they were robbed by a false college education saddled with debt cause by their own choices and their decision to take it out on the 1%. I hope the 1% wins cause they seem to understand more than the average American does.

I hope the 99ers lose big time and suffer dearly. There's a thing called life where I'm holding down a job and going to college and these protestors waste their precious time protesting that will earn them nothing.


what is your favorite style of haircut, on a woman...and what is your favorite style of haircut on a man?
 
2011-11-20 10:10:55 PM  

vernonFL: Really? Cops in Oakland make $100,00 per year? Not detectives or Captains?


Yes, really. They're working hard on making it illegal to report law enforcement salaries in California, but until then see the SJ Mercury News public employee salary database and select "Oakland" from Entity menu.
 
2011-11-20 10:11:13 PM  

vernonFL: office_despot: Lets start with the fact that police procedures in California have changed drastically in the last 10 years

[www.celebrities-with-diseases.com image 444x462]

Why would California cops change their procedures in the last 10 years?


I'd like to point out that Occupy-LA has NOT been having these problems with the LAPD or LASD. They have been models of restraint so far.

Of course, so has our Mayor.
 
2011-11-20 10:11:28 PM  

James F. Campbell: I don't understand why everyone at these protests keeps shouting "Shame on you."

Psychopaths don't feel shame. They only understand violence.


That's why I said, when I first saw the video, that if there had been swift justice, a brick or large rock would have arced into frame and hit that cop square in the nose (his mask was up).

But I remember MLK Jr. asking why should we be afraid of the fire hoses? Isn't this the water we were baptized in? And I calm down.

But just remember. That cop was trying to terrorize everyone who watches that video. He wasn't just assaulting those few kids; he was attacking all of us who think the way those kids do. The cop really only hurt himself and the scumbags he represents.
 
2011-11-20 10:11:53 PM  

PonceAlyosha: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: This woman is a moronic twit, but how about we jail the worthless cop that committed unwarranted assault on a couple of dozen peaceful protesters? "Administrative leave" my ass.

Strip him of his badge and execute him. That should be that standard procedure for any lawbreaking on the half of government employees from paperpushers to goddamn senators.


I was suggesting this in another thread and everyone thought I was trolling. I'm all for abolishing the death penalty in all cases except for police officers.

Not because I hate them, but the power they are given warrants some kind of a check, and the threat of death might work. "Independent" investigations are a joke.
 
2011-11-20 10:14:36 PM  
What's the name of the public servant who did this? UC still covering for Sgt McFatass?
 
2011-11-20 10:14:42 PM  

Fett56: PonceAlyosha: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: This woman is a moronic twit, but how about we jail the worthless cop that committed unwarranted assault on a couple of dozen peaceful protesters? "Administrative leave" my ass.

Strip him of his badge and execute him. That should be that standard procedure for any lawbreaking on the half of government employees from paperpushers to goddamn senators.

I was suggesting this in another thread and everyone thought I was trolling. I'm all for abolishing the death penalty in all cases except for police officers.

Not because I hate them, but the power they are given warrants some kind of a check, and the threat of death might work. "Independent" investigations are a joke.


Not just police officers. Anyone with the authority to leverage or approve use of force.
 
2011-11-20 10:14:46 PM  
+1...no wait, make that plus eleventybillion. that guy you responded to was a retard, but I don't know how anybody could have possibly given him a response that would expose it better than you did, bravo, sir.

Expose what? I'm not hearing ANY groundswell of support from the public for waht they're doing. People shrug and say "what's the point? They're getting the shiat kicked out of them for what?"

Step outside the Fark bubble and watch the local news. All they see is traffic disruptions, businesses getting hurt, impacting jobs, tax money being wasted trying to control these messy, violent, destructive gatherings. Nobody sees them as noble. Nobody relates to them. The whole thing is quickly getting old....
 
2011-11-20 10:15:50 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: But just remember. That cop was trying to terrorize everyone who watches that video. He wasn't just assaulting those few kids; he was attacking all of us who think the way those kids do. The cop really only hurt himself and the scumbags he represents.


How exactly?

He successfully conveyed the message of "we can fark you up and get away with it," got no real punishment, and doesn't care if the general public likes him, so it seems like he accomplished exactly what was intended.
 
2011-11-20 10:17:25 PM  

Observatory: [boingboing.net image 640x419]


VEERRRYY nice.

Hickory-smoked: Does anyone know how exactly this was organized? It's an impressive show of discipline to not have some lone halfwit break the silence with chanting or catcalls.


I thought the same thing. These guys can't even agree on a message, but they sure got that one across.
 
2011-11-20 10:17:32 PM  

2wolves: By Fark standards I'm a geezer, but I have no problem grasping the fact that Little Brother/Sister will be around almost 24/7 and if you're in a high profile situation you can bet your golden parachute the scene will be up on YouTube in seconds. The popo and the higher ups don't appear to be cognizant of this.

Much of the U.S.'s 60's protest history is anecdotal, this time history will be written in ones and zeros.


Also, like porn, that video will be on someone's computer or website forever.
 
2011-11-20 10:18:06 PM  

Johnny Swank: What's the name of the public servant who did this?


4chan has had it for over 24 hours now. The dude is probably passed out in a pizza coma.
 
2011-11-20 10:18:08 PM  

mark12A:
Step outside the Fark bubble and watch the local news. All they see is traffic disruptions, businesses getting hurt, impacting jobs, tax money being wasted trying to control these messy, violent, destructive gatherings. Nobody sees them as noble. Nobody relates to them. The whole thing is quickly getting old....


actually, a LOT of people support these protests. Not that the news will give the OWS protests a positive review. that simply will not do. oh no...simply not.

But word is still spreading. the movement is growing every day.
 
2011-11-20 10:18:26 PM  
If you dont want to be peppersprayed, dont block the entrance to the building, and refuse to move, biatches.

Go peaceably protest over by the dumpsters and let everyone else get to work and go to class.
 
2011-11-20 10:18:26 PM  

Funk Brothers: The real idiots are the protestors. They didn't heed warnings when someone asked them to leave and disperse. I'm glad they got what they wanted. I have farked hated the OWS crap since day one. These people are greedy, weed smoking/burnt out hippies who don't give a damn that there are starving Africans. These little people who feel they were robbed by a false college education saddled with debt cause by their own choices and their decision to take it out on the 1%. I hope the 1% wins cause they seem to understand more than the average American does.

I hope the 99ers lose big time and suffer dearly. There's a thing called life where I'm holding down a job and going to college and these protestors waste their precious time protesting that will earn them nothing.


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2011-11-20 10:18:27 PM  
 
2011-11-20 10:20:17 PM  
Less drum circles, less chanting. Silence and stares are far more powerful.
 
2011-11-20 10:21:03 PM  
"I am a junior faculty member at UC Davis. I am an Assistant Professor in the Department of English, and I teach in the Program in Critical Theory and in Science & Technology Studies. I have a strong record of research, teaching, and service. I am currently a Board Member of the Davis Faculty Association. I have also taken an active role in supporting the student movement to defend public education on our campus and throughout the UC system. In a word: I am the sort of young faculty member, like many of my colleagues, this campus needs. I am an asset to the University of California at Davis.

You are not.

I write to you and to my colleagues for three reasons:

1) to express my outrage at the police brutality which occurred against students engaged in peaceful protest on the UC Davis campus today
2) to hold you accountable for this police brutality
3) to demand your immediate resignation"


No, Nathan Brown should be fired by the UC Davis Chancellor.

"Police used batons to try to push the students apart. Those they could separate, they arrested, kneeling on their bodies and pushing their heads into the ground. Those they could not separate, they pepper-sprayed directly in the face, holding these students as they did so. When students covered their eyes with their clothing, police forced open their mouths and pepper-sprayed down their throats. Several of these students were hospitalized. Others are seriously injured. One of them, forty-five minutes after being pepper-sprayed down his throat, was still coughing up blood."

Good, they got what they deserved.

"One of the most inspiring things (inspiring for those of us who care about students who assert their rights to free speech and peaceful assembly) about the demonstration in Berkeley on November 9 is that UC Berkeley faculty stood together with students, their arms linked together. Associate Professor of English Celeste Langan was grabbed by her hair, thrown on the ground, and arrested. Associate Professor Geoffrey O'Brien was injured by baton blows. Professor Robert Hass, former Poet Laureate of the United States, National Book Award and Pulitzer Prize winner, was also struck with a baton. These faculty stood together with students in solidarity, and they too were beaten and arrested by the police. In writing this letter, I stand together with those faculty and with the students they supported."

I can't stop laughing, lol. These people need to understand the economic recession is very serious. If the university is suffering from a loss, tuition increases are the only way. How is the university supposed the prevent their losses? Unicorns and rainbows? Nope. In time like this, I'm happy to see that us taxpayers are generously gracious to help out in anyway. In understanding the circles nation, state, and capital; nation and state need to help capital in a time of crisis.

"I call for your resignation because you are unfit to do your job. You are unfit to ensure the safety of students at UC Davis. In fact: you are the primary threat to the safety of students at UC Davis. As such, I call upon you to resign immediately."

Nope, not going to happen. I would just delete the email and ignore the criticism.
 
2011-11-20 10:21:24 PM  

Funk Brothers: The real idiots are the protestors. They didn't heed warnings when someone asked them to leave and disperse. I'm glad they got what they wanted. I have farked hated the OWS crap since day one. These people are greedy, weed smoking/burnt out hippies who don't give a damn that there are starving Africans. These little people who feel they were robbed by a false college education saddled with debt cause by their own choices and their decision to take it out on the 1%. I hope the 1% wins cause they seem to understand more than the average American does.

I hope the 99ers lose big time and suffer dearly. There's a thing called life where I'm holding down a job and going to college and these protestors waste their precious time protesting that will earn them nothing.


your favorite song? (new window)

r-e-s-p-e-c-t!!
 
2011-11-20 10:21:48 PM  
Ed Grubermann: So that warrants getting pepper sprayed? Really? Don't they teach these assholes about appropriate force escalation?

evil saltine: How would you remove them? Club them over the head?


I WOULDN'T remove them.
 
2011-11-20 10:22:00 PM  

Funk Brothers: The real idiots are the protestors. They didn't heed warnings when someone asked them to leave and disperse. I'm glad they got what they wanted. I have farked hated the OWS crap since day one. These people are greedy, weed smoking/burnt out hippies who don't give a damn that there are starving Africans. These little people who feel they were robbed by a false college education saddled with debt cause by their own choices and their decision to take it out on the 1%. I hope the 1% wins cause they seem to understand more than the average American does.

I hope the 99ers lose big time and suffer dearly. There's a thing called life where I'm holding down a job and going to college and these protestors waste their precious time protesting that will earn them nothing.



Nice troll, I hate to break it to you, but only a few 99%ers are out protesting, and that you are actually one of them, like it or not.
 
2011-11-20 10:22:02 PM  

fnordfocus: TheShavingofOccam123: But just remember. That cop was trying to terrorize everyone who watches that video. He wasn't just assaulting those few kids; he was attacking all of us who think the way those kids do. The cop really only hurt himself and the scumbags he represents.

How exactly?

He successfully conveyed the message of "we can fark you up and get away with it," got no real punishment, and doesn't care if the general public likes him, so it seems like he accomplished exactly what was intended.


UC Davis has suspended two officers for their role in the pepper spraying. If it is the officer who has been identified as the sprayer, he was second in command of a division of the UC Davis PD. His career as a Davis police officer is ruined (even with a union hearing).

The great thing--and this should be a lesson to those who think they belong to the rich crowd--is he is going to see that he didn't really belong to that crowd. Few people do.

I figure this guy is going to be made a martyr by the right. He'll become the next Joe the Plumber. I wish his sorry ass well. He'll just be used by them again and tossed aside again.
 
2011-11-20 10:22:32 PM  

mark12A: Step outside the Fark bubble and watch the local news. All they see is traffic disruptions, businesses getting hurt, impacting jobs, tax money being wasted trying to control these messy, violent, destructive gatherings. Nobody sees them as noble. Nobody relates to them. The whole thing is quickly getting old....


Exactly. America's patience has grown thin with the Occupy protesters. Even the Democratic politicans are demanding that they be removed by force in cities like Boston and Chapel Hill.
 
2011-11-20 10:22:36 PM  

saintwrathchild: Fight the power, friends.


not the video i think you meant to link, but damned if it doesn't kick ass anyway.
 
2011-11-20 10:23:04 PM  

A Fark Handle: make me some tea: Enemabag Jones: Take a look at LEO's opinions below.
Link (new window)

That's pretty illuminating.

i would have said scary. i have seen multiple police commentators say it was justified. which is stupid blue line bullshiat since pretty much all the cited manuals state that pepper spray is to be a use if the aggressor approaches the policecoward, if the aggressor threatens the policecoward... how are the seated students "aggressors?"


That's what I meant by "illuminating".
 
2011-11-20 10:23:38 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: If you dont want to be peppersprayed, dont block the entrance to the building, and refuse to move, biatches.

Go peaceably protest over by the dumpsters and let everyone else get to work and go to class.


Go be un-American in some other country.
 
2011-11-20 10:24:31 PM  
Well at least there werent four dead like in O-hi-o.
 
2011-11-20 10:25:14 PM  
Intimidation is creative, non-violent civil disobedience when liberals do it, according to liberals.

When anyone else does it, it is HATE, according to liberals. So, hypocrisy as usual. Pat each other on the back some more now.
 
2011-11-20 10:25:31 PM  
she can barely speak english, how in hell did she gt her job
 
2011-11-20 10:26:06 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: UC Davis has suspended two officers for their role in the pepper spraying. If it is the officer who has been identified as the sprayer, he was second in command of a division of the UC Davis PD. His career as a Davis police officer is ruined (even with a union hearing).


Sorry, not seeing it. They are suspended with pay during an investigation conducted only by their fellow officers, which will find they acted appropriately. I know this, because that's pretty much how all such investigations go in California.

Worse case, he takes a lateral move to Yolo County SD and gets more overtime opportunities.
 
2011-11-20 10:26:48 PM  

KWess: This is from an untenured faculty member at UC Davis - and provides some shocking background that many are probably not aware of...pass it along!

Open Letter saying his boss is incompetent and should resign immediately


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2011-11-20 10:27:03 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: Intimidation is creative, non-violent civil disobedience when liberals do it, according to liberals.

When anyone else does it, it is HATE, according to liberals. So, hypocrisy as usual. Pat each other on the back some more now.


wow, the "there's no hate like liberal hate" talking point. i haven't heard that one in ages.

probably because it sucked then and still sucks now.
 
2011-11-20 10:27:24 PM  

gblive: KeelingLovesCornholes: These are campus police folks...CAMPUS police. Don't group them in the same category as regular cops or troopers and don't expect too much either.

May be it is time to point out that officers on campus police forces are fully sworn law enforcement officers, no different than cops in the town or troopers on the road (ignoring the trooper academy training).


The campus police at my grad school are all reserve sheriffs' deputies.
 
2011-11-20 10:28:11 PM  
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2011-11-20 10:28:16 PM  
Nice. At least now we know how to make them STFU
 
2011-11-20 10:28:28 PM  

gblive: mark12A: Step outside the Fark bubble and watch the local news. All they see is traffic disruptions, businesses getting hurt, impacting jobs, tax money being wasted trying to control these messy, violent, destructive gatherings. Nobody sees them as noble. Nobody relates to them. The whole thing is quickly getting old....

Exactly. America's patience has grown thin with the Occupy protesters. Even the Democratic politicans are demanding that they be removed by force in cities like Boston and Chapel Hill.


nah, that's just fox news. the rest of the country actually supports the Occupy movement. they just don't get camera time.
 
2011-11-20 10:28:58 PM  

Cyclometh: vernonFL: Beemer: $40k? They start higher than that, without OT

In Baltimore, cadets start at $38,000.

The douchebag who pulled this stunt makes over $110K/year.



at least that qualifies him to do his new job search on the ladders.com

/The Ladders: your career is our job.
 
2011-11-20 10:29:14 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: I figure this guy is going to be made a martyr by the right. He'll become the next Joe the Plumber. I wish his sorry ass well. He'll just be used by them again and tossed aside again.


Or get a job as a crappy reporter for an even crappier news outlet?

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2011-11-20 10:29:18 PM  
Benevolent Misanthrope: The only thing they could have done better was to all stand as she approached, and turn their backs on her as she walked past.

But damn, that was a statement and a half.


Daq qab DoH?

/Qapla'
 
2011-11-20 10:29:20 PM  

mark12A: messy, violent, destructive gatherings.


Only a couple have had any violence, and that was when the cops escalated things, and they're not messy and not destructive. And if people are getting irritated perhaps they should think about why the protesters are there.
 
2011-11-20 10:29:28 PM  

vernonFL: Ed Grubermann: Well, it's time "most cops" stopped covering up for the abusive assholes who give them a bad name.

I am friends with 3 cops: two of them are State Troopers and are complete assholes. The other one is a City cop who is pretty cool.

Even the asshole State Troopers can see that while they would have loved nothing more than to spray mace in the face of hippes, that they woudn't, because it would have made them look bad.

Also I am "friends" with a DEA agent who is horrified, because like the others, while he thinks it makes the police look bad.


I am a police officer, and I would have not used OC for two reasons:
1. My understanding of the rules for the use of force would say that going straight to OC spray as a response to passive resistance is a huge overreaction. If they are using active resistance or outright force, heck yeah, OC away, but simply sitting there and not budging? You've got a couple of other options on the table there, Officer. Don't use OC unless you are meeting with forceful resistance or other methods of compliance (beyond just verbal) have failed.

2. As was said, it's about appearance and looks. When you see things crowded with cameras, what you're doing is going to be scrutinized, closely. Rather than casually strut around spraying OC, play it by the textbook, be over-conservative on the use of force.

evil saltine: Ed Grubermann: Bit'O'Gristle: The sad thing is..they were campus police..and yes..they are "real police" having gone to the same schools as other police officers, and having the same training. They were ordered to disperse the crowd blocking the walk..and they asked them to leave, they refused, and so the police had to make them. Don't hate on the cops because these people decided to block the sidewalk and then refused to comply with lawful police orders.

So that warrants getting pepper sprayed? Really? Don't they teach these assholes about appropriate force escalation?

How would you remove them? Club them over the head?


Try bare-handed force first. In other words, get some other officers, pick them up, and haul them off. If they physically resist, then they are resisting arrest with force and you can escalate in force and the use of OC can be warranted (but I'd still warn them first) and if they passively resist by going limp, they are still resisting but not with force, so you handcuff them (and warn them to go along and cooperate or Resisting Arrest charges will be filed), haul them to a paddywagon, and slap a resisting arrest charge on whatever other charges are going to be filed.

This is NOT like Idiocracy, where cops can just go "That's enough of your bullshiat, sir" and pepper spray you because you're annoying them.

/There are still Good Cops out there
//There are also egotistical dumbfarks with badges.
 
2011-11-20 10:29:39 PM  

gblive: mark12A: Step outside the Fark bubble and watch the local news. All they see is traffic disruptions, businesses getting hurt, impacting jobs, tax money being wasted trying to control these messy, violent, destructive gatherings. Nobody sees them as noble. Nobody relates to them. The whole thing is quickly getting old....

Exactly. America's patience has grown thin with the Occupy protesters. Even the Democratic politicans are demanding that they be removed by force in cities like Boston and Chapel Hill.


Calling themselves "America" now are they?

/Cicero
 
2011-11-20 10:29:43 PM  

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: she can barely speak english, how in hell did she gt her job


What do you expect in a state that had Arnold as governor.

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2011-11-20 10:29:52 PM  
KWess: I call for your resignation because you are unfit to do your job. You are unfit to ensure the safety of students at UC Davis. In fact: you are the primary threat to the safety of students at UC Davis. As such, I call upon you to resign immediately.

that takes balls to say. Good on that person for saying it. And since they don't have tenure, that's something of a risk for them.
 
2011-11-20 10:30:54 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: The only thing they could have done better was to all stand as she approached, and turn their backs on her as she walked past.

But damn, that was a statement and a half.


Nah, staring her down as she walked past was much more effective I think. There's all sorts of psychological stuff mixed up with being stared at; it's why we've got ideas like "the evil eye" and "curses" in our paranoid little brains.
 
2011-11-20 10:31:03 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: Intimidation is creative, non-violent civil disobedience when liberals do it, according to liberals.

When anyone else does it, it is HATE, according to liberals. So, hypocrisy as usual. Pat each other on the back some more now.


Yeah I know.
Tea Party peaceful protest of increased government spending == highest form of patriot!
Student peaceful protest of increased state run school spending == Dirty hippies, spray 'em!
 
2011-11-20 10:31:11 PM  

Dafatone: Bit'O'Gristle: The sad thing is..they were campus police..and yes..they are "real police" having gone to the same schools as other police officers, and having the same training. They were ordered to disperse the crowd blocking the walk..and they asked them to leave, they refused, and so the police had to make them. Don't hate on the cops because these people decided to block the sidewalk and then refused to comply with lawful police orders. Don't put yourself in a position where the police might have to take action against you, then whine about it on the internet like a bunch of pussies. You called it down on yourself, now you are all attention whoring the shiat out of it. STFU and GBTW. Oh..i forgot..you dont have to work for a living. My bad..go back to being attention whores, maybe next time they will club your stupid ass and put you in the hospital,then you can sue everyone and not only be a moronic tool, but a rich one. Good luck with that. ill be watching the internets to see the fun.

You're most likely a troll, but for anyone who thinks this...

The cops could have tried dragging the kids off the sidewalk. But oh no! That might be strenuous!

You don't START with the pepper spray,


Did you see that fat farking cop? Yeah, I don't see him doing much of anything other than donut curls.
 
2011-11-20 10:31:11 PM  

WhyteRaven74: mark12A: messy, violent, destructive gatherings.

Only a couple have had any violence, and that was when the cops escalated things, and they're not messy and not destructive. And if people are getting irritated perhaps they should think about why the protesters are there.


actually, I rather like this meme. it smacks of desperation and fear from the shills. you can almost FEEL the nervous laughter when they say it....
 
2011-11-20 10:31:29 PM  
Midshipman Hollom sympathizes with the Chancellor.
 
2011-11-20 10:32:26 PM  

cryinoutloud: These guys can't even agree on a message, but they sure got that one across.


At the risk of feeding a troll, 400 American citizens own more material wealth than 150,000,000 others combined. Of those people, 50,000,000 Americans have no health insurance, and cannot afford healthcare-for-profit. The same number live in or have been evicted from foreclosed homes, all because of corporate greed. It is now completely legal to buy votes in Congress and buy elected officials by paying for their elections, so none of this can possibly be changed by voting or by any other legal means. Understand that this, in and of itself, is all the "message" any revolution has ever needed, especially one happening in a nation founded on this historical edict:

All men are created equal and there are certain unalienable rights that governments should never violate. These rights include the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. When a government fails to protect those rights, it is not only the right, but also the duty of the people to overthrow that government. In its place, the people should establish a government that is designed to protect those rights.

It's not hard to comprehend what is happening here, unless you really don't want to believe it is happening.
 
2011-11-20 10:32:35 PM  

mark12A: Step outside the Fark bubble and watch the local news. All they see is traffic disruptions, businesses getting hurt, impacting jobs, tax money being wasted trying to control these messy, violent, destructive gatherings. Nobody sees them as noble. Nobody relates to them. The whole thing is quickly getting old....


Local news is also largely a joke. Outside of the traffic and weather much of the reporting is some form of paid advertising. I would suggest locating your local NPR affiliate and tune in to them more often. They've been covering OWS quite thoroughly.
 
2011-11-20 10:32:56 PM  

Heron: Benevolent Misanthrope: The only thing they could have done better was to all stand as she approached, and turn their backs on her as she walked past.

But damn, that was a statement and a half.

Nah, staring her down as she walked past was much more effective I think. There's all sorts of psychological stuff mixed up with being stared at; it's why we've got ideas like "the evil eye" and "curses" in our paranoid little brains.


that really rattled the her too. you could see it was getting to her.
 
2011-11-20 10:33:18 PM  

SilentStrider: not the video i think you meant to link, but damned if it doesn't kick ass anyway.


Eh, I was trying to reflect the volumes at which the students spoke in both videos by invoking two massive hits of PE's (which both resonate with this UC Davis debacle, I think) with a little irony thrown in for good measure by linking to the unmentioned one in my text. Might've gotten a little too conceptual there, agreed.
 
2011-11-20 10:33:32 PM  

Silverstaff: vernonFL: Ed Grubermann: Well, it's time "most cops" stopped covering up for the abusive assholes who give them a bad name.

I am friends with 3 cops: two of them are State Troopers and are complete assholes. The other one is a City cop who is pretty cool.

Even the asshole State Troopers can see that while they would have loved nothing more than to spray mace in the face of hippes, that they woudn't, because it would have made them look bad.

Also I am "friends" with a DEA agent who is horrified, because like the others, while he thinks it makes the police look bad.

I am a police officer, and I would have not used OC for two reasons:
1. My understanding of the rules for the use of force would say that going straight to OC spray as a response to passive resistance is a huge overreaction. If they are using active resistance or outright force, heck yeah, OC away, but simply sitting there and not budging? You've got a couple of other options on the table there, Officer. Don't use OC unless you are meeting with forceful resistance or other methods of compliance (beyond just verbal) have failed.

2. As was said, it's about appearance and looks. When you see things crowded with cameras, what you're doing is going to be scrutinized, closely. Rather than casually strut around spraying OC, play it by the textbook, be over-conservative on the use of force.

evil saltine: Ed Grubermann: Bit'O'Gristle: The sad thing is..they were campus police..and yes..they are "real police" having gone to the same schools as other police officers, and having the same training. They were ordered to disperse the crowd blocking the walk..and they asked them to leave, they refused, and so the police had to make them. Don't hate on the cops because these people decided to block the sidewalk and then refused to comply with lawful police orders.

So that warrants getting pepper sprayed? Really? Don't they teach these assholes about appropriate force escalation?

How would you remove them? Club them over the head?

Try bare-handed force first. In other words, get some other officers, pick them up, and haul them off. If they physically resist, then they are resisting arrest with force and you can escalate in force and the use of OC can be warranted (but I'd still warn them first) and if they passively resist by going limp, they are still resisting but not with force, so you handcuff them (and warn them to go along and cooperate or Resisting Arrest charges will be filed), haul them to a paddywagon, and slap a resisting arrest charge on whatever other charges are going to be filed.

This is NOT like Idiocracy, where cops can just go "That's enough of your bullshiat, sir" and pepper spray you because you're annoying them.

/There are still Good Cops out there
//There are also egotistical dumbfarks with badges.


I like that there are still Good Cops out there...there are still some of us out there who know the difference and appreciate the Good Cops.
 
2011-11-20 10:33:35 PM  

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: she can barely speak english, how in hell did she gt her job


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2011-11-20 10:34:05 PM  

Sabyen91: Nutsac_Jim: If you dont want to be peppersprayed, dont block the entrance to the building, and refuse to move, biatches.

Go peaceably protest over by the dumpsters and let everyone else get to work and go to class.

Go be un-American in some other country.


Since when was it American to eff with fellow citizens livelihood because you want something for free.
The epitome of being American is to do what you want as long as it doesn't affect others.
 
2011-11-20 10:35:31 PM  

Nutsac_Jim:
Since when was it American to eff with fellow citizens livelihood because you want something for free.


not to put too fine a point on it, but that's rather the point OWS was trying to make....

The epitome of being American is to do what you want as long as it doesn't affect others.

so the cop who went wild with the pepper spray is un-american? yup. I'd tend to agree.
 
2011-11-20 10:35:34 PM  

WhyteRaven74: mark12A: messy, violent, destructive gatherings.

Only a couple have had any violence, and that was when the cops escalated things, and they're not messy and not destructive. And if people are getting irritated perhaps they should think about why the protesters are there.


People aren't getting irritated; the Occupy movement enjoys wide support. Mark12A here is quoting his Fox News taskmasters like a good little Rushbot.
 
2011-11-20 10:36:02 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Since when was it American to eff with fellow citizens livelihood because you want something for free


What exactly do they want for free? And how is delaying soemone's way to work farking with their livelihood?

The epitome of being American is to do what you want as long as it doesn't affect others.

Just like the people at Goldman Sachs, oh wait...
 
2011-11-20 10:37:38 PM  
Even better would have been them turning their backs as she walked by.
 
2011-11-20 10:38:20 PM  
Nutsac_Jim wrote:

Since when was it American to eff with fellow citizens livelihood because you want something for free.

You mean, like taking hundreds of billions of dollars from the American people, investing it at the nadir of a market crash that you and your cronies caused, and then lobbying to refuse any financial reform that might prevent a similar scam being perpetuated again?

Something for free... doesnt affect others. I guess the banks arent the epitome of American, by your little definition.
 
2011-11-20 10:38:51 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: "Pepper spray peaceful protesters" seems to rank higher on that list than "make poor snowflakes walk an extra thirty feet to go around an obstacle".


Without any provocation whatsoever, other than the bodies of these students sitting where they were on the ground, with their arms linked, police pepper-sprayed students.Students remained on the ground, now writhing in pain, with their arms linked.

What happened next?

Police used batons to try to push the students apart. Those they could separate, they arrested, kneeling on their bodies and pushing their heads into the ground. Those they could not separate, they pepper-sprayed directly in the face, holding these students as they did so (new window). When students covered their eyes with their clothing, police forced open their mouths and pepper-sprayed down their throats. Several of these students were hospitalized. Others are seriously injured. One of them, forty-five minutes after being pepper-sprayed down his throat, was still coughing up blood.

via UC Davis Professor Demands Chancellor Resign Over Pepper Spraying Of Students | The New Civil Rights Movement.
 
2011-11-20 10:39:58 PM  
StoneColdAtheist: Opeth1429: She shouldn't lose her job over this but she certainly didn't endear herself to anyone on that campus this weekend.

I disagree. She SHOULD lose her job over this, as should the UCD Chief of Police and the officers who pepper-sprayed the row of students. Leadership is more than just pushing budget papers and basking in the adoration of winning sports teams. When push comes to shove the buck stops on her desk, and she utterly failed any reasonable test of leadership.

The Board of Regents should meet in emergency session and fire them right down the line, just as Penn State's did when they could no longer contain the contagion.


I wasn't surprised to learn the police chief is a female. Departments with female chiefs always seem to have something to prove, and really step up the herp derp storm trooper action. They need to prove they have large penises apparently.

Happened at UMass during my time there. There was a yearly spring fling block party that never was a huge problem and happened every year for twenty years, until the year after a female police chief started her job. She needed to flex her muscles, decided that it wouldn't happen anymore, and proceeded to flood the block with stormtroopers; rathern then just police any troublemakers as historically happened.

Lots of damage, burnt out police cars, a 50 foot pine tree went up in flames and a huge public mess that really made everyone involved look like shiat. Blackout drunk students like to wander home and pass out. Forcing them out of a neighborhood onto a street blocked in both directions by cop blockades tends to really piss them off.
 
2011-11-20 10:40:32 PM  

SilentStrider: not the video i think you meant to link, but damned if it doesn't kick ass anyway.


Oh, and fark yeah it stomps. Chuck D's on our side, folks.
 
2011-11-20 10:40:41 PM  

trappedspirit: Nice. At least now we know how to make them STFU


That would be pretty cool, in fact--about 100,000 people lined up, all standing silently every day and watching the fat cats go to work. I bet that wouldn't make anybody nervous.

boobsrgood: It's not hard to comprehend what is happening here, unless you really don't want to believe it is happening.


Whose side do you think I'm on here, boo-boo? They have been criticized for not having a clear message, and sometimes they don't. Christ, I've been in these threads ever since this started. I know what the farking message is. I'm also dirt poor, so maybe it's personal with me.
 
2011-11-20 10:40:43 PM  

mark12A: Step outside the Fark bubble and watch the local news.


No way man. They're part of the lamestream left wing biased media. Can't trust that bunch of commies for a second.
 
2011-11-20 10:41:13 PM  

Weaver95: vinnybang: I hope she loses sleep. I hope she feels sick. she is part of the problem.

i'll bet she sleeps very well at night.


It'd be nice if the faculty just flat-out stopped paying attention to her. Refuse to meet with her, refuse to read her memos, refuse to do anything she says to do. Total Persona Non Grata; organize and run the school around her and keep pestering the trustees to can her ass. Sicking riot cops on a handful of students peacefully protesting is about the most unethical and incompetent decision I've ever seen a University Chancellor make, and I grew up around Texas A&M.
 
2011-11-20 10:41:49 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: The epitome of being American is to do what you want as long as it doesn't affect others.


No, that's Wicca.

Being an American is about standing up for what is right.
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2011-11-20 10:41:51 PM  

jeblis: Even better would have been them turning their backs as she walked by.


Nah, not really. Staring her down was better; that made it a little more personal for her. She was visibly freaked out halfway through the video.

I didn't watch it until I had read through this thread at about the 200-something comment count.

F*ck. F*ck. F*ck. It was really cool.
 
2011-11-20 10:43:08 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: The epitome of being American is to do what you want as long as it doesn't affect others.


look at this unamerican fark: Three-tour American veteran Kayvan Sabehgi was beaten by Oakland police during the Occupy protest's general strike on 2 November. Sabehgi, who was 'completely peaceful', according to witnesses, was left with a lacerated spleen. (new window)

best part he never was in anyone's way and his actions did not affect anyone else. he even gave ground to the police, well until they decided to beat his ass for sport. but clearly he deserved the beating, right?
 
2011-11-20 10:43:29 PM  

vernonFL: FerneJohn: You know what I oddly find sad about this?

Most cops have to deal with real criminals, and they make $40,000 a year. Most cops are good people and are Democrats and are union.


In another thread, they posted the info of the cop doing the spraying. He makes something like $100k/year
 
2011-11-20 10:43:46 PM  

Weaver95: gblive: mark12A: Step outside the Fark bubble and watch the local news. All they see is traffic disruptions, businesses getting hurt, impacting jobs, tax money being wasted trying to control these messy, violent, destructive gatherings. Nobody sees them as noble. Nobody relates to them. The whole thing is quickly getting old....

Exactly. America's patience has grown thin with the Occupy protesters. Even the Democratic politicans are demanding that they be removed by force in cities like Boston and Chapel Hill.

nah, that's just fox news. the rest of the country actually supports the Occupy movement. they just don't get camera time.


Ssssh, The trolls, astroturfers, and plants are working so very hard to plant this "America hates OWS" meme. I mean, it is why PR firms have been paid high six-digit sums to discredit the movement.

You know that right now, there are paid, professional spin doctors, trolls, shills and antagonists all over the social media trying to spread the idea that "everybody" is sick of these protesters and convince the public that they are just lazy whiny unemployed hippies who refuse to work and want free handouts and communism and oppose all corporations and banks.

It's why you'll see "reports" or "alleged" misconduct by protesters, by stories planted through anonymous tips that can never be substantiated. .. but the report alone will fuel FOX News and conservative bloggers and media outlets. It's why you'll see conservative e-mail forwards skyrocket with unsubstantiated or vague allegations that can't be proven but will be taken as gospel by certain population segments.

You'll see the talking heads on FOX News treat it as a given fact that OWS is "over" and "discredited" and how the US hates them and supports strong police action to crush the "un American" or "socialist" protesters.

You'll probably even see a few planted agent provocateurs among the protests with particularly inflammatory signs, the kind that can be photographed/filmed and used to illustrate anti-OWS propaganda. They will probably try to incite riots and agitate the crowds against the police, hoping for a crackdown and hoping it will make OWS/99% look like anarchists.

Those PR shills are working overtime, and if we burst their bubble, well. . .

. . .we are doing a good thing
 
2011-11-20 10:43:47 PM  

Silverstaff: I am a police officer,


Thank you. I have friends and family who are LEOs.
 
2011-11-20 10:43:53 PM  

Silverstaff: I am a police officer, and I would have not used OC for two reasons:
1. My understanding of the rules for the use of force would say that going straight to OC spray as a response to passive resistance is a huge overreaction. If they are using active resistance or outright force, heck yeah, OC away, but simply sitting there and not budging? You've got a couple of other options on the table there, Officer. Don't use OC unless you are meeting with forceful resistance or other methods of compliance (beyond just verbal) have failed.

2. As was said, it's about appearance and looks. When you see things crowded with cameras, what you're doing is going to be scrutinized, closely. Rather than casually strut around spraying OC, play it by the textbook, be over-conservative on the use of force.


Thank you for being one of the good ones.
 
2011-11-20 10:44:54 PM  
Bit'O'Gristle: The sad thing is..they were campus police..and yes..they are "real police" having gone to the same schools as other police officers, and having the same training. They were ordered to disperse the crowd blocking the walk..and they asked them to leave, they refused, and so the police had to make them. Don't hate on the cops because these people decided to block the sidewalk and then refused to comply with lawful police orders. Don't put yourself in a position where the police might have to take action against you, then whine about it on the internet like a bunch of pussies. You called it down on yourself, now you are all attention whoring the shiat out of it. STFU and GBTW. Oh..i forgot..you dont have to work for a living. My bad..go back to being attention whores, maybe next time they will club your stupid ass and put you in the hospital,then you can sue everyone and not only be a moronic tool, but a rich one. Good luck with that. ill be watching the internets to see the fun.

There was nothing lawful about their order

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


Amendment I you cocksucker.
 
2011-11-20 10:47:11 PM  
http://chancellor.ucdavis.edu/contact.php

Let her know you think she should resign.
 
2011-11-20 10:47:20 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Sabyen91: Nutsac_Jim: If you dont want to be peppersprayed, dont block the entrance to the building, and refuse to move, biatches.

Go peaceably protest over by the dumpsters and let everyone else get to work and go to class.

Go be un-American in some other country.

Since when was it American to eff with fellow citizens livelihood because you want something for free.
The epitome of being American is to do what you want as long as it doesn't affect others.


That didn't quite go the way you thought it would, did it?
 
2011-11-20 10:47:59 PM  
Link (new window)

Let the chancellor know she needs to step down. Linkified this time.
 
2011-11-20 10:48:09 PM  

Observatory: [boingboing.net image 640x419]


Winner!
 
2011-11-20 10:48:47 PM  
PonceAlyosha: ThisNameSux: Marysue: She was the person responsible for Mr. Pepperspay's actions.

No, no she wasn't. Don't give me that shiat about the person at the top ultimately being responsible for the actions of those under them either. If that was the case, nobody would ever stay in a position of power. The officer made the choice to handle the situation the way he did and responsibility for that falls solely on his shoulders.

You don't seem to understand how responsibility works.


Sound like a middle "manager" at a corporate bank.

CYA is #1. Appear busy is #2. Don't rock the boat is #3.


America is circling the toilet bowl because everyone is a shrill too scared to speak up for whats right. Too scared they'll be the ones pepper sprayed, or too afraid of losing their shiatty job. farking evil bastards is what they've become.
 
2011-11-20 10:49:37 PM  

Fett56: http://chancellor.ucdavis.edu/contact.php Let her know you think she should resign.


And don't forget to leave your name so UCDPD can come by and pepper spray you too for daring to question their authoritah.
 
2011-11-20 10:49:54 PM  

evil saltine: Ed Grubermann: Bit'O'Gristle: The sad thing is..they were campus police..and yes..they are "real police" having gone to the same schools as other police officers, and having the same training. They were ordered to disperse the crowd blocking the walk..and they asked them to leave, they refused, and so the police had to make them. Don't hate on the cops because these people decided to block the sidewalk and then refused to comply with lawful police orders.

So that warrants getting pepper sprayed? Really? Don't they teach these assholes about appropriate force escalation?

How would you remove them? Club them over the head?


Why remove them? Who were they harming?? They PAID tuition (and let me assure you, tuition to UC is BIG BUCKS!) to have access to that campus. They had EVERY RIGHT to be there. So why the FARK did the PIGS think they needed to be removed???
 
2011-11-20 10:50:26 PM  

Silverstaff: Weaver95: gblive: mark12A: Step outside the Fark bubble and watch the local news. All they see is traffic disruptions, businesses getting hurt, impacting jobs, tax money being wasted trying to control these messy, violent, destructive gatherings. Nobody sees them as noble. Nobody relates to them. The whole thing is quickly getting old....

Exactly. America's patience has grown thin with the Occupy protesters. Even the Democratic politicans are demanding that they be removed by force in cities like Boston and Chapel Hill.

nah, that's just fox news. the rest of the country actually supports the Occupy movement. they just don't get camera time.

Ssssh, The trolls, astroturfers, and plants are working so very hard to plant this "America hates OWS" meme. I mean, it is why PR firms have been paid high six-digit sums to discredit the movement.

You know that right now, there are paid, professional spin doctors, trolls, shills and antagonists all over the social media trying to spread the idea that "everybody" is sick of these protesters and convince the public that they are just lazy whiny unemployed hippies who refuse to work and want free handouts and communism and oppose all corporations and banks.

It's why you'll see "reports" or "alleged" misconduct by protesters, by stories planted through anonymous tips that can never be substantiated. .. but the report alone will fuel FOX News and conservative bloggers and media outlets. It's why you'll see conservative e-mail forwards skyrocket with unsubstantiated or vague allegations that can't be proven but will be taken as gospel by certain population segments.

You'll see the talking heads on FOX News treat it as a given fact that OWS is "over" and "discredited" and how the US hates them and supports strong police action to crush the "un American" or "socialist" protesters.

You'll probably even see a few planted agent provocateurs among the protests with particularly inflammatory signs, the kind that can be photographed/filmed and used to illustrate anti-OWS propaganda. They will probably try to incite riots and agitate the crowds against the police, hoping for a crackdown and hoping it will make OWS/99% look like anarchists.

Those PR shills are working overtime, and if we burst their bubble, well. . .

. . .we are doing a good thing


So I'm not supposed to vote for Newt "Go get a job right after you take a bath" Gingrich?

/I wasn't going to vote for Newtie because he was censured by the House and forced to resign both his office of Speaker of the House and his congressional seat
/Plus he got a bj in front of his kids
 
2011-11-20 10:50:57 PM  

fusillade762: Wow. That was like the end of "The Birds".


My very first thought as well.
 
2011-11-20 10:51:05 PM  

make me some tea: Silverstaff: I am a police officer, and I would have not used OC for two reasons:
1. My understanding of the rules for the use of force would say that going straight to OC spray as a response to passive resistance is a huge overreaction. If they are using active resistance or outright force, heck yeah, OC away, but simply sitting there and not budging? You've got a couple of other options on the table there, Officer. Don't use OC unless you are meeting with forceful resistance or other methods of compliance (beyond just verbal) have failed.

2. As was said, it's about appearance and looks. When you see things crowded with cameras, what you're doing is going to be scrutinized, closely. Rather than casually strut around spraying OC, play it by the textbook, be over-conservative on the use of force.

Thank you for being one of the good ones.


all he said he wouldn't have beaten you to death with cameras rolling. no need to get down on your knees and suck his cock. being a halfway normal human doesn't call for praise.
 
2011-11-20 10:51:59 PM  

ThisNameSux: Did she give the order to use pepper spray? No? OK, STFU then.


She ordered the protest broken up, something there's no way she can justify. And yes when you're in charge you are responsible for those under you do when you order them to do it. You make the order the consequences fall on you.
 
2011-11-20 10:52:19 PM  
cryinoutloud

I'm just really tired of hearing the "no clear message" talking point. Glad to see you aren't a puppet for it.
 
2011-11-20 10:52:33 PM  

GoHomeAndGetYourShinebox: fusillade762: Wow. That was like the end of "The Birds".

My very first thought as well.


Sleep well, Tippi.
 
2011-11-20 10:54:03 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: /Plus he got a bj in front of his kids


is that wrong? you take them when you can get them...
 
2011-11-20 10:54:17 PM  
Weaver95:actually, a LOT of people support these protests. Not that the news will give the OWS protests a positive review. that simply will not do. oh no...simply not.

But word is still spreading. the movement is growing every day.


I'm sympathetic to their complaints. It's plain as day that Wall Street/American corporate culture is nuking the American middle class, but these protests come across as an extended primal scream, nothing more.

I can't get behind a cause that seems to be nothing more than public asshattery. I'd love to see them put together a hit list of specific politicians/corporate CEO's/companies most responsible for the mess (suggestion: GE) and organize a boycott/harassment campaign against each target, one target at a time. When Mr. CEO can't go to his countryclub for a relaxing round of golf without a mass of protestors in the parking lot making his life miserable, the others will begin see the wisdom of behaving responsibly toward the society that gave them the opportunity to make his riches. PUT A PUBLIC FACE ON THOSE WHO ACTUALLY DO THE DAMAGE.

Who got the biggest bonus on Wall Street? Start with him. Who is this person? How can we make his life miserable? Work him over for a while. Then move on to the next target. Who is THE General Electric asshat that decided to shut down GE X-ray equipment manufacturing in the US and move it to China? Make HIS life miserable. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

It shouldn't be that hard to make a public case against a specific individual, that most would agree is a valid case, and proceed to publicly humiliate them.

Shiatting up public parks is not useful.
 
2011-11-20 10:55:09 PM  

RealFarknMcCoy2: Why remove them? Who were they harming?? They PAID tuition (and let me assure you, tuition to UC is BIG BUCKS!) to have access to that campus. They had EVERY RIGHT to be there. So why the FARK did the PIGS think they needed to be removed???


Because Countess whats-her-head told them to. She's the boss, the cops work for her.
 
2011-11-20 10:56:01 PM  

mark12A:
I'm sympathetic to their complaints. It's plain as day that Wall Street/American corporate culture is nuking the American middle class, but these protests come across as an extended primal scream, nothing more.l.


yeah, Fox news is trying to push that message as hard as they can. it's failing tho, most people ignore fox news and then go down to join the protests for their fair share of abuse.
 
2011-11-20 10:56:23 PM  

relcec: make me some tea: Silverstaff: I am a police officer, and I would have not used OC for two reasons:
1. My understanding of the rules for the use of force would say that going straight to OC spray as a response to passive resistance is a huge overreaction. If they are using active resistance or outright force, heck yeah, OC away, but simply sitting there and not budging? You've got a couple of other options on the table there, Officer. Don't use OC unless you are meeting with forceful resistance or other methods of compliance (beyond just verbal) have failed.

2. As was said, it's about appearance and looks. When you see things crowded with cameras, what you're doing is going to be scrutinized, closely. Rather than casually strut around spraying OC, play it by the textbook, be over-conservative on the use of force.

Thank you for being one of the good ones.

all he said he wouldn't have beaten you to death with cameras rolling. no need to get down on your knees and suck his cock. being a halfway normal human doesn't call for praise.


No farking shiat. Cross the blue line, good cop.
 
2011-11-20 10:56:33 PM  

WhyteRaven74: She ordered the protest broken up, something there's no way she can justify.


Yes she can, they were breaking the law by camping on school grounds.
 
2011-11-20 10:56:38 PM  

A Fark Handle: TheShavingofOccam123: /Plus he got a bj in front of his kids

is that wrong? you take them when you can get them...


Yeah...I guess I should let that one go...I don't condone it but I understand it.
 
2011-11-20 10:56:41 PM  

relcec: all he said he wouldn't have beaten you to death with cameras rolling. no need to get down on your knees and suck his cock. being a halfway normal human doesn't call for praise.


f*ck off troll
 
2011-11-20 10:57:11 PM  

make me some tea: mark12A: Step outside the Fark bubble and watch the local news. All they see is traffic disruptions, businesses getting hurt, impacting jobs, tax money being wasted trying to control these messy, violent, destructive gatherings. Nobody sees them as noble. Nobody relates to them. The whole thing is quickly getting old....

Local news is also largely a joke. Outside of the traffic and weather much of the reporting is some form of paid advertising. I would suggest locating your local NPR affiliate and tune in to them more often. They've been covering OWS quite thoroughly.


The issue is that most people follow local news and newspapers as their primary media source. The local media stories are about their favorite downtown restaurant being closed with the owner on the air stating that it is due to drop in business from the Occupy protests. The furious commuters being quoted on air. The Occupy protestors breaking into buildings in Chapel Hill. The huge price that Occupy is costing the county/city which is already under a budget crunch which is hurting schools and community needs. The downtown being such a mess from Occupy that the Christmas parade has been cancelled.

This is how middle class America sees Occupy. Worse of all - we can not even get a clear statement of what Occupy is actually protesting... so we are left to wonder why all this chaos is being caused and negatively impacting our communities.
 
2011-11-20 10:57:11 PM  

Magic_Button: Lenny_da_Hog: This is really cool with porn music playing as the soundtrack..

Try it!

/brown-chicken-brown-cow...
//tried Dark Side of the Moon first, mixed results

====================

Pink Floyd's "Money" seems to work well

--Money ...... Its a Gas ... ( woosh )


Damn. I should have thought of the BennyHillifier first. It works with everything.
 
2011-11-20 10:58:14 PM  

Farking While Farking: 2wolves: The popo and the higher ups don't appear to be cognizant of this.

Unfortunately where they are aware their response isn't to modify their behavior but to make documenting their actions a criminal offence, in some cases felonies carrying up to 15 years in jail.


There was a federal appeals ruling (I think in Indiana?) that said basically there's an overriding public interest to document cops while they're on official duty and laws against that are unenforcable
 
2011-11-20 10:59:02 PM  

ox45tallboy: the cops work for her.


"I'm just following orders" is not a valid defense.

ThisNameSux: , they were breaking the law by camping on school grounds.


So now they were camping? Last I looked they were just protesting. And even if they were camping, so long as it's students, who cares?
 
2011-11-20 10:59:28 PM  

mark12A: Weaver95:actually, a LOT of people support these protests. Not that the news will give the OWS protests a positive review. that simply will not do. oh no...simply not.

But word is still spreading. the movement is growing every day.

I'm sympathetic to their complaints. It's plain as day that Wall Street/American corporate culture is nuking the American middle class, but these protests come across as an extended primal scream, nothing more.

I can't get behind a cause that seems to be nothing more than public asshattery. I'd love to see them put together a hit list of specific politicians/corporate CEO's/companies most responsible for the mess (suggestion: GE) and organize a boycott/harassment campaign against each target, one target at a time. When Mr. CEO can't go to his countryclub for a relaxing round of golf without a mass of protestors in the parking lot making his life miserable, the others will begin see the wisdom of behaving responsibly toward the society that gave them the opportunity to make his riches. PUT A PUBLIC FACE ON THOSE WHO ACTUALLY DO THE DAMAGE.

Who got the biggest bonus on Wall Street? Start with him. Who is this person? How can we make his life miserable? Work him over for a while. Then move on to the next target. Who is THE General Electric asshat that decided to shut down GE X-ray equipment manufacturing in the US and move it to China? Make HIS life miserable. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

It shouldn't be that hard to make a public case against a specific individual, that most would agree is a valid case, and proceed to publicly humiliate them.

Shiatting up public parks is not useful.


So how much of that have you done? I'm sure you wouldn't sit around doing nothing while biatching about those who are doing something.
 
2011-11-20 10:59:49 PM  

ThisNameSux: WhyteRaven74: She ordered the protest broken up, something there's no way she can justify.

Yes she can, they were breaking the law by camping on school grounds.


Law? Citation please.
 
2011-11-20 11:00:24 PM  

ThisNameSux: WhyteRaven74: She ordered the protest broken up, something there's no way she can justify.

Yes she can, they were breaking the law by camping on school grounds.


so obviously, that means the cops can do anything they want, right? use of chemical weapons, excessive force. Hey - how about rape? rape a few of those protesters and I'll bet that'll teach 'em a lesson! ooo...and shoot a few too. not with actual bullets mind you...just some rubber bullets and those little bean baggie things you load into shotguns. yeah! make sure you get 'em in the kidneys, cause they make this really kewl sound when they go down! totally a larf a minute, right? oh man! great days to be a campus cop bro! word!
 
2011-11-20 11:01:03 PM  
Occupy Douches or not, props to them for taking that gigantic pepperspraying like a (wo)man, and equal props for their silent demonstration. I still couldn't tell you what they're protesting. Many of them probably can't either. Still, good for them.
 
2011-11-20 11:01:07 PM  

WhyteRaven74: ThisNameSux: , they were breaking the law by camping on school grounds.

So now they were camping? Last I looked they were just protesting. And even if they were camping, so long as it's students, who cares?


Don't waste your time
 
2011-11-20 11:02:07 PM  

mark12A: Shiatting up public parks is not useful.


In a few cities the protesters have applied for permits to get porta-potties and the cities have turned them down. So if they're doing that in those cities, which is where they're doing it and nowhere else, it's the cities that are to blame.
 
2011-11-20 11:02:13 PM  

Ed Grubermann: PonceAlyosha: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: This woman is a moronic twit, but how about we jail the worthless cop that committed unwarranted assault on a couple of dozen peaceful protesters? "Administrative leave" my ass.

Strip him of his badge and execute him. That should be that standard procedure for any lawbreaking on the half of government employees from paperpushers to goddamn senators.

You're not helping.


It would help if we actually did it.

/Or at least prosecuted them for their crimes according to the law
 
2011-11-20 11:02:15 PM  
To be honest, if I was told that I would be maced in the face unless I moved, I would have moved.

The people that got maced in the face knew what they were getting into. i say, let 'em get maced.
 
2011-11-20 11:02:15 PM  

gblive:

This is how middle class America sees Occupy. Worse of all - we can not even get a clear statement of what Occupy is actually protesting... so we are left to wonder why all this chaos is being caused and negatively impacting our communities.


Well, it is like a disease. You can treat the cause or treat the symptoms. If you treat just the symptoms you still have the disease. The unrest is the disease that you see and it is caused by income inequality, where the rich have figured out how to keep skimming more and more from the bottom 99% every year. You can treat the symptoms by arresting the protestors (at a cost) and still have the disease, or you can treat the cause. Since the disease has gotten worse every year for the last 30, you might want to start thinking about treating the cause.
 
2011-11-20 11:02:21 PM  

ThisNameSux: WhyteRaven74: She ordered the protest broken up, something there's no way she can justify.

Yes she can, they were breaking the law by camping on school grounds.


Whoa, there, Nelly. School Policy is NOT "the law." Violating school policy (dress code, parking violations, curfew, spending the night in your ladyfriend's dorm, etc.) does NOT mean you have broken "the law." School Chancellors are not empowered to make laws, only to set school policy. Laws (such as restriction of handgun possession on UC campuses) are made by the California State Legislature. There is no law that says that you can't camp on school grounds, just school policy. These actions should have been dealt with on an administrative level, rather than resorting to the involvement of law enforcement simply to enforce school policy.
 
2011-11-20 11:02:26 PM  

WhyteRaven74: So now they were camping?


What do you mean, "so now"? This whole thing started after the students campground was dismantled. People who are going to have such a strong opinion on something should take the time to educate themselves on the story.

So now it's OK to camp on private property? I guess if it's under a flag of protest, you can pretty much do any goddamn thing you want, right?
 
2011-11-20 11:02:32 PM  

ThisNameSux: WhyteRaven74: She ordered the protest broken up, something there's no way she can justify.

Yes she can, they were breaking the law by camping on school grounds.


I guess the students in the dorms better watch out, huh?
 
2011-11-20 11:02:34 PM  

gblive:
The issue is that most people follow local news and newspapers as their primary media source. The local media stories are about their favorite downtown restaurant being closed with the owner on the air stating that it is due to drop in business from the Occupy protests. The furious commuters being quoted on air. The Occupy protestors breaking into buildings in Chapel Hill. The huge price that Occupy is costing the county/city which is already under a budget crunch which is hurting schools and community needs. The downtown being such a mess from Occupy that the Christmas parade has been cancelled.


So, people shouldn't invoke their 1st Amendment rights to protest (Assembly, Petition and Free Speech) because it might inconvenience other citizens or their local government might incur expenses?

Is the message supposed to be: "Never protest or rock the boat, because you'll just make people unhappy, and put the city government in a budget crunch, oh and you'll cause Christmas to be cancelled too."
 
2011-11-20 11:02:42 PM  

david1963: thrgd456:

Let's video the cops 24 hours a day from now on.

I'm seriously considering waiting a while to get my right hearing aid fixed so I can get something to do video with. Preferably something with a phone and/or wifi so somebody else can save a running copy of it in case my thing gets smashed or stolen by the cops.

Can you record and transmit by cell at the same time? If so that'd be better than wifi because it's easier to be in range of a cell tower.

Or do some cell phones come with a USB socket so I could save to a thumb drive and transmit from that?

Yes, I know I'm behind on the latest gadgetry, you whippersnappers you.


gandhicam.org

Gandhicam is a free application which uses your phone's 3G or WiFi connection to automatically wirelessly upload images, sound and video recorded by your device.
(new window)

/never personally used it. Saw it on boingboing.net years ago
 
2011-11-20 11:03:27 PM  

ParagonComplex: Occupy Douches or not, props to them for taking that gigantic pepperspraying like a (wo)man, and equal props for their silent demonstration. I still couldn't tell you what they're protesting. Many of them probably can't either. Still, good for them.


think about that for a moment...these people are disciplined and dedicated right? but you keep telling yourself that you don't know what it is they're dedicated to, yes? well...that doesn't make sense. nobody takes a can of pepper spray to the face like that OR shows up en mass to a silent protest unless they've got a pretty good idea what it is they want to accomplish.

so while YOU might not get it, it's pretty obvious to the protesters that they've got a plan and they're sticking to it.
 
2011-11-20 11:03:32 PM  

ParagonComplex: Occupy Douches or not, props to them for taking that gigantic pepperspraying like a (wo)man, and equal props for their silent demonstration. I still couldn't tell you what they're protesting. Many of them probably can't either. Still, good for them.


You could have seen exactly what they were protesting had you read...well...anything.
 
2011-11-20 11:03:35 PM  
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2011-11-20 11:03:38 PM  

gblive: make me some tea: mark12A: Step outside the Fark bubble and watch the local news. All they see is traffic disruptions, businesses getting hurt, impacting jobs, tax money being wasted trying to control these messy, violent, destructive gatherings. Nobody sees them as noble. Nobody relates to them. The whole thing is quickly getting old....

Local news is also largely a joke. Outside of the traffic and weather much of the reporting is some form of paid advertising. I would suggest locating your local NPR affiliate and tune in to them more often. They've been covering OWS quite thoroughly.

The issue is that most people follow local news and newspapers as their primary media source. The local media stories are about their favorite downtown restaurant being closed with the owner on the air stating that it is due to drop in business from the Occupy protests. The furious commuters being quoted on air. The Occupy protestors breaking into buildings in Chapel Hill. The huge price that Occupy is costing the county/city which is already under a budget crunch which is hurting schools and community needs. The downtown being such a mess from Occupy that the Christmas parade has been cancelled.

This is how middle class America sees Occupy. Worse of all - we can not even get a clear statement of what Occupy is actually protesting... so we are left to wonder why all this chaos is being caused and negatively impacting our communities.


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2011-11-20 11:03:39 PM  
Are we beginning to teeter on the edge of responsive violence? I don't think I could have just sat there and watched this S#it go down in front of me. Is this what the powers that be want? To get people reactionary and aggressive so they can cite their own use of force as justified? Damn. Cause watching that video of the students getting sprayed really pissed me off.

And my lord, the silent student response, that 'walk of shame', DAMN.
 
2011-11-20 11:03:56 PM  

ox45tallboy: There is no law that says that you can't camp on school grounds


Oh bullshiat there isn't.
 
2011-11-20 11:04:00 PM  

sigdiamond2000: OneNightStand: I was particularly moved by all the students recording the events with their iPads, iTouches and iPhones. That'll show the 1% who really runs the show.

Yeah, it's pretty shocking that college students can afford phones and computers.


They should be too busy digging night crawlers for their dinner like we did when WE were kids to be buying fancy pants techo marvels.
 
2011-11-20 11:04:26 PM  

gblive:

Worse of all - we can not even get a clear statement of what Occupy is actually protesting... so we are left to wonder why all this chaos is being caused and negatively impacting our communities.


Occupy Wall Street is leaderless resistance movement with people of many colors, genders and political persuasions. The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%.

5 seconds to Google it. http://occupywallst.org/
 
2011-11-20 11:04:28 PM  

mark12A: I'm sympathetic to their complaints. It's plain as day that Wall Street/American corporate culture is nuking the American middle class, but these protests come across as an extended primal scream, nothing more.

I can't get behind a cause that seems to be nothing more than public asshattery. I'd love to see them put together a hit list of specific politicians/corporate CEO's/companies most responsible for the mess (suggestion: GE) and organize a boycott/harassment campaign against each target, one target at a time. When Mr. CEO can't go to his countryclub for a relaxing round of golf without a mass of protestors in the parking lot making his life miserable, the others will begin see the wisdom of behaving responsibly toward the society that gave them the opportunity to make his riches. PUT A PUBLIC FACE ON THOSE WHO ACTUALLY DO THE DAMAGE.

Who got the biggest bonus on Wall Street? Start with him. Who is this person? How can we make his life miserable? Work him over for a while. Then move on to the next target. Who is THE General Electric asshat that decided to shut down GE X-ray equipment manufacturing in the US and move it to China? Make HIS life miserable. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

It shouldn't be that hard to make a public case against a specific individual, that most would agree is a valid case, and proceed to publicly humiliate them.

Shiatting up public parks is not useful.


the problem will not be solved with targeting rich asshats on wall street one at a time. the problem needs to be address by the government. it's not the individuals, it's the system. for example, banks that are too big to fail should be too big to exist and broken up via anti-trust. for example, derivatives that created excess risk should be regulated. for example, the interest carry tax-exemption should be repealed. for example, limit the influence of corporate lobbying cash. all of these are government actions, not boycotts. corporations making profits are not the problem. it's how they currently make the profit that is the problem...it's not the individuals, it's the system.
 
2011-11-20 11:05:55 PM  

ThisNameSux: private property?


Please define this. Is it private property for the general public? Is it private property for the kids paying outrageous amounts to attend UC Davis? Is it private property for the chancellor who's making $400K a year?
Whose private property is the quad at UC Davis?
 
2011-11-20 11:05:57 PM  

vernonFL: To be honest, if I was told that I would be maced in the face unless I moved, I would have moved.

The people that got maced in the face knew what they were getting into. i say, let 'em get maced.


So if you were told you would get maced in the face unless you handed over your wallet, you would do that, too? How long did you keep giving the school bully your lunch money back in grade school?
 
2011-11-20 11:06:08 PM  

gblive: The issue is that most people follow local news and newspapers as their primary media source. The local media stories are about their favorite downtown restaurant being closed with the owner on the air stating that it is due to drop in business from the Occupy protests. The furious commuters being quoted on air. The Occupy protestors breaking into buildings in Chapel Hill. The huge price that Occupy is costing the county/city which is already under a budget crunch which is hurting schools and community needs. The downtown being such a mess from Occupy that the Christmas parade has been cancelled.


Yup, for the most part.

This is how middle class America sees Occupy. Worse of all - we can not even get a clear statement of what Occupy is actually protesting... so we are left to wonder why all this chaos is being caused and negatively impacting our communities.

My advice to anyone who is confused about their grievance or message or whatever: go to an Occupy protest in your city. There's probably one going on in any mid- to large-sized city on weekends. Talk to them, they're nice people. Ask questions, listen, debate with them, whatever you wish.

If you can't do that or don't have time, google it, do your own research and read up. There's lots of info about what they're trying to accomplish online. There is no one single soundbite message, there are as many messages as there are people involved, and that's the way they want it. That last bit seems to confound a lot of people, and especially the drive-by lamestream news media who is trying to boil it down to one single thing to focus on, but that's what it is. Some pe