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(SeattlePI)   Police are now ticketing drivers who honk in support of Occupy Seattle protestors. Welcome to Amerika   ( seattlepi.com) divider line
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2011-10-08 09:21:21 PM  
Rise up!
 
2011-10-08 09:26:41 PM  
Why do the police hate free speech?

/maybe it was the $4.6 mil from Wall Street
 
2011-10-08 09:27:04 PM  

Starting at 11 p.m. Friday, police started pulling over and ticketing drivers who honked as they drove past protesters


wow. the authoritarians in this country really are getting scared. their internal dialogue told them that the OWS protests wouldn't last more than a week. but not only are the protests still going on, but now they're spreading around the country.
 
2011-10-08 09:27:33 PM  

shanrick: Rise up!


♫Back on the street. Did my time, took my chances.♫
 
2011-10-08 09:29:00 PM  
Honk if you love authoritarianism!
 
2011-10-08 09:30:49 PM  
Honest officer, I was honking in support of the police

/demand a jury trial
 
2011-10-08 09:37:35 PM  
Yeah, that's not overtly authoritarian or anything.

Still, I'm sure the usual suspects will be in this thread defending their actions.
 
2011-10-08 09:43:43 PM  

SilentStrider: Yeah, that's not overtly authoritarian or anything.

Still, I'm sure the usual suspects will be in this thread defending their actions.


the GOP shills are getting desperate. they really want the protests to go away, but they can't just shout them down. they also can't just shoot them either, even though the freepers keep making noises about murdering the wall street protesters.
 
2011-10-08 09:45:20 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Why do the police hate free speech?

/maybe it was the $4.6 mil from Wall Street


Not sure the Seattle PD saw any of that bribe donation. And to be fair, a lot of working folks would be understandably unhappy with a caravan of cars honking all through the night.
 
2011-10-08 09:51:25 PM  

fusillade762: Marcus Aurelius: Why do the police hate free speech?

/maybe it was the $4.6 mil from Wall Street

Not sure the Seattle PD saw any of that bribe donation. And to be fair, a lot of working folks would be understandably unhappy with a caravan of cars honking all through the night.


One would think the working folks aren't sleeping in downtown Seattle on a Friday night.
 
2011-10-08 09:52:18 PM  
Police are now ticketing drivers who honk after 10 pm in support of Occupy Seattle protestors. You can stop rabbling about it now.

FTFY Subs.
 
2011-10-08 09:55:07 PM  
What? No "nothing to see here citizen"?

Is that meme finally dying?
 
2011-10-08 09:57:22 PM  

fusillade762: Marcus Aurelius: Why do the police hate free speech?

/maybe it was the $4.6 mil from Wall Street

Not sure the Seattle PD saw any of that bribe donation. And to be fair, a lot of working folks would be understandably unhappy with a caravan of cars honking all through the night.


Considering ex-Seattle chief Gil Kerlikowski is our prime anti-mind expanding warrior, I'd be surprised if the Seattle PD DID'NT get something out of the deal.

If you know what I mean.

/grew up with Frank Rizzo as mayor
//thank Jesus I'm a WASP
 
2011-10-08 09:59:29 PM  
I don't see how this could even begin to pass muster under review. Is Seattle one of those cities where you still pay a $100 court extortion fee if you contest and it's dismissed?

I'm seeing the makings of a class action for harassment and civil rights violations. Have fun, Seattle PD, and hope your dragnet doesn't catch any pissy lawyers.
 
2011-10-08 10:00:52 PM  

gilgigamesh: after 10 pm


Oho. I rescind then. Yeah, you're probably violating noise ordinances, and c'est la vie. I'd still like to see them try to argue intent. "I was warning the many, many people on foot to stay out of my travel lane, as per your very own Driver's Guide."
 
2011-10-08 10:02:40 PM  

mediablitz: What? No "nothing to see here citizen"?

Is that meme finally dying?


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2011-10-08 10:03:12 PM  
Don't act against your interests America. The police and Big Business don't like it when you point out their kleptocracy.
 
2011-10-08 10:05:03 PM  

GAT_00: Don't act against your interests America. The police and Big Business don't like it when you point out their kleptocracy.


it does seem like authoritarians around the country are starting to get itchy, don't it?
 
2011-10-08 10:07:15 PM  

Occam's Chainsaw: gilgigamesh: after 10 pm

Oho. I rescind then. Yeah, you're probably violating noise ordinances, and c'est la vie. I'd still like to see them try to argue intent. "I was warning the many, many people on foot to stay out of my travel lane, as per your very own Driver's Guide."


That's what I'm curious about. How the hell can the police prove that they are honking for the protesters? I understand the whole noise violation thing, but wouldn't that mean they'd have to ticket every driver that honks, even the ones who might have been doing it in an effort to keep from being hit?
 
2011-10-08 10:08:25 PM  

susansto-helit: Occam's Chainsaw: gilgigamesh: after 10 pm

Oho. I rescind then. Yeah, you're probably violating noise ordinances, and c'est la vie. I'd still like to see them try to argue intent. "I was warning the many, many people on foot to stay out of my travel lane, as per your very own Driver's Guide."

That's what I'm curious about. How the hell can the police prove that they are honking for the protesters? I understand the whole noise violation thing, but wouldn't that mean they'd have to ticket every driver that honks, even the ones who might have been doing it in an effort to keep from being hit?


the cops know that nobody will fight those tickets.
 
2011-10-08 10:09:24 PM  

susansto-helit: but wouldn't that mean they'd have to ticket every driver that honks


Yeah, but every driver that honks isn't supporting the American people protesting against the kleptocracy. I'm sure the police were "encouraged" to work against the protestors by big business interests.
 
2011-10-08 10:17:17 PM  

GAT_00: Yeah, but every driver that honks isn't supporting the American people protesting against the kleptocracy. I'm sure the police were "encouraged" to work against the protestors by big business interests.


Oh absolutely. But prove a pattern of behavior that results in unequal application of the law, you have a 14th violation and the city's balls wallet in a vice. So go drive around with a camera and honk within a block of a cruiser in a dozen different non-protest locations, and then do it near the Occupiers.

You're talking about a city that has a large number of tech savvy people and "live free or die" types. This is one of the single dumbest places for them to pull such high-handed BS.
 
2011-10-08 10:35:28 PM  
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2011-10-08 10:56:16 PM  
Ok so it violates noise ordinances... I can't really argue that, but unless they're there ticketing every driver that honks after the protests are over, I think it's pretty clear what's going on here.

Not to mention if you've made the conscious decision to live in the heart of a major city, you're implicitly agreeing that you're not averse to a bit of noise.

That said I'd be pretty pissed if it were me, so I guess I'm of multiple minds on this, leaning towards "the police need to back the hell off"
 
2011-10-08 10:56:22 PM  
Horns aren't supposed to be used to show support for anything; they're meant to be used for specific purposes on the road. That's like running emergency lights on a police car to show support.

That said, there are far more important things to focus on rather than trying to stifle support through threat of fine. Find something better to do, cops.
 
2011-10-08 10:58:49 PM  
don't hate on the honkies ...
 
2011-10-08 11:00:42 PM  
syria; s y r i a syra
 
2011-10-08 11:00:54 PM  
ultraholland:
That said, there are far more important things to focus on rather than trying to stifle support through threat of fine.

Such as giving people tickets for making excessive and unnecessary noise in an area where it's illegal to do so after a certain hour, like they would if the protesters weren't there.
 
2011-10-08 11:01:02 PM  
Attention Morons: You can't make loud noises at late at night, it disturbs the peace. So by all means get out there and protest but after a certain hour...

Show some respect for your fellow human beings and do it quietly if it's late at night!

The swiftness with which you people will start screaming and crying how you're being oppressed by the evil authorities just astounds me. If there ever actually really was any kind of brutal oppression on the part of the authorities you cry babies would be the first ones running home. You'd never make it in a situation where you actually had to risk your pampered little necks in order to protest.

For goodness sake, crying about it because somebody doesn't want you honking horns after a certain hour of the night, what a bunch of absolute sissies.
 
2011-10-08 11:01:34 PM  
To be fair, when I had to go to traffic school (bc some beyatch ran a red and hit me, but the cops decided I was at fault because actually investigating the accident was too hard and fighting it in court would take more time than just going to the class...), they told us that you weren't allowed to honk for anything except alert another driver of impending danger (ie tard about to hit you).

The guy emphasized that even if you are at a green light, and you honk, you may get a ticket. Indeed, someone at the traffic class was there for that very reason.

That said, TFA is a clear example of cops being revenue generators for the city - I don't really buy the authoritarian angle as much as I believe the city government are simply opportunists that just saw this as an opportunity to make money.
 
2011-10-08 11:02:17 PM  

Treize26: Ok so it violates noise ordinances... I can't really argue that, but unless they're there ticketing every driver that honks after the protests are over, I think it's pretty clear what's going on here.

Not to mention if you've made the conscious decision to live in the heart of a major city, you're implicitly agreeing that you're not averse to a bit of noise.

That said I'd be pretty pissed if it were me, so I guess I'm of multiple minds on this, leaning towards "the police need to back the hell off"


Not to mention that in, oh...THE REST OF THE WORLD, horns are used almost nonstop. It's bizarre after having been to a number of other countries that we are one of the few that regard honking a car horn as equivalent to audibly farting in church. Twice.
 
2011-10-08 11:02:52 PM  
"Your Honor, I was merely petitioning the government for a redress of grievances."
 
2011-10-08 11:03:21 PM  
Right-Leaning Libertarian with Liberal Social issues here. I'd honk for the thrill of it...and gladly challenge in court under free speech...or...just say that you were honking at the guy in front of you who was blocking the light. Plenty of ways to get out of it.

But yeah...this is par for the course here in Seattle (the cops AND the protestors). Steering clear of that mess for awhile.
 
2011-10-08 11:03:34 PM  
Geez, what happened, Seattle? You were so cool in the late 60's and early 70's.
 
2011-10-08 11:03:45 PM  
what I would give to be the defense lawyer
 
2011-10-08 11:04:21 PM  
Nuclear Monk:
Not to mention that in, oh...THE REST OF THE WORLD, horns are used almost nonstop.

So are machine guns to quell protesters, but you'd whine about that, too.
 
2011-10-08 11:04:22 PM  
I usually post on here in support of police but I am flabbergast by this decision. It is as if the Seattle PD has never heard of the first amendment. Remember the headlight flashing tickets that got shot down? How is this any different?
 
2011-10-08 11:04:52 PM  

bunner: [freedomfightersforamerica.com image 550x341]


Cheney is still VP?
 
2011-10-08 11:05:19 PM  

randomjsa: Attention Morons: You can't make loud noises at late at night, it disturbs the peace. So by all means get out there and protest but after a certain hour...

Show some respect for your fellow human beings and do it quietly if it's late at night!

The swiftness with which you people will start screaming and crying how you're being oppressed by the evil authorities just astounds me. If there ever actually really was any kind of brutal oppression on the part of the authorities you cry babies would be the first ones running home. You'd never make it in a situation where you actually had to risk your pampered little necks in order to protest.

For goodness sake, crying about it because somebody doesn't want you honking horns after a certain hour of the night, what a bunch of absolute sissies.


You're a farking idiot. This is a business district where very few people live. This is a blatant attempt to suppress free expression (the act of honking in support of the protesters).
 
2011-10-08 11:05:59 PM  
Sounds like it is time to start project mayhem.
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2011-10-08 11:06:26 PM  

Treize26: I'd be pretty pissed if it were me


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/amen brother
 
2011-10-08 11:06:40 PM  
This is going to get a lot uglier before it gets better, but it's interesting to be watching history unfold.

The next couple of weeks are going to be highly interesting.
 
2011-10-08 11:07:40 PM  

cirby: Nuclear Monk:
Not to mention that in, oh...THE REST OF THE WORLD, horns are used almost nonstop.

So are machine guns to quell protesters, but you'd whine about that, too.


I'd actually pay good money to see that. Be nice to see if the tea party and octopi wally derps are actually committed to their causes.
 
2011-10-08 11:08:18 PM  
Here's a thought:

Let's go have a "honk-in", where we get thousands of people to drive by and honk. En masse, all at once, flash-mob style.
 
2011-10-08 11:08:53 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Why do the police hate free speech?

/maybe it was the $4.6 mil from Wall Street


This? This from Fark, where for the past decade posters shouted down every protest against the Iraq War? The website that utterly trashed every protest against Bush's spending? You loathe protesters. You cheered Free Speech Zones. You mocked them, but you and every other Farker have always supported curtailing protesters of any sort. Until, well, the last couple years of Obama's administration.

Reap what you sow, citizen.
 
2011-10-08 11:09:06 PM  
Dumb move.
Ties up the courts with more nonsense, wasting more time and money, as most people are going to fight such a BS ticket.
And it only encourages support for the protests.
 
2011-10-08 11:09:34 PM  
Of course they are, The police are here to protect the moneyed people from the rest of us. They have never been and will never be on the average person's side.
 
2011-10-08 11:09:44 PM  
So the police are fulfilling their function of being the dirty work gloves of the pink fingered parasite class. Good jerb!
 
2011-10-08 11:09:49 PM  
On the one hand, I hate how cops often react to protests.

On the other hand, this is the Seattle PD, so a ticket really is an improvement over getting shot.

/If there actually is a regulation against late-night honking, there's not much I can justifiably complain about on this specific incident.
 
2011-10-08 11:09:53 PM  
Wow. Good work in finally geenlighting something other than the right's line about the protests.

Good work, adminny.
 
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