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2011-09-15 11:39:25 AM  
Really? We let them drive effing horse drawn carriages on the roads, and can't be bothered to put on a flipping triangle? REALLY?
 
2011-09-15 11:42:15 AM  
How will reflect on the Amish community?
 
2011-09-15 11:43:13 AM  
A ninth man, Levi Zook, had his fine paid by via John Via
 
2011-09-15 11:44:21 AM  

dogdaze: How will reflect on the Amish community?


I safely see what you did there.
 
2011-09-15 11:44:45 AM  
Doesn't jail have modern plumbing? I mean, even in the citified parts of Kentucky they must have pipes and things. How is that going to work out?

"Yon chair of stainless steel has the appearance of being forged by Lucifer himself."

"Verily and it desires our wastes?"

"Verily."

"Tis indeed a tool of the Devil. Cross they legs, brothers. Cross thy legs."
 
2011-09-15 11:46:49 AM  
Several people died last year (two years ago?) when a car crashed into a buggy. I can't imagine a good reason for them refusing.

Loud colors and worldly symbols are forbidden, okay, sure, but following the "Render unto Caesar" bit of the Bible would allow them to put them on for the law, but not for their own edification.

/ when the Amish go to jail, are they allowed one telegram?
 
2011-09-15 11:48:21 AM  
I bet they use phones and modern equipment in the course of their work/business.
 
2011-09-15 11:48:36 AM  
I bet they don't let their women drive buggies either right?
 
2011-09-15 11:48:40 AM  
Tis a fine law but sure tis no vehicle, English.
 
2011-09-15 11:49:25 AM  
Then consider their buggies non-street legal and get them off the roads. Follow the laws or GTFO!
 
2011-09-15 11:50:01 AM  
A ring is like a circle, it goes on forever.
It's not like a triangle, triangle have corners. It's like a circle
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2011-09-15 11:50:12 AM  
Maybe instead of triangles they could use little barn shapes?
 
2011-09-15 11:50:49 AM  
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"Loud Pipes High Beams Save Lives!"
 
2011-09-15 11:50:50 AM  
Orange triangles are what Amish use to mark sheep molestors, so I can see the problem.
 
2011-09-15 11:51:15 AM  
TFA: And the story may not end when those sentences are served. Via says the Swartzentruber Amish could take their grievances over Kentucky's safety triangle laws to the federal level. "The Swartzentruber Amish are the most strict order," he said. "They will not do certain things. And they will not use that triangle."

Well then they can stay off the public roads.
 
2011-09-15 11:51:47 AM  
The criminals in question: Link (new window)

Are all Amish men short?
 
2011-09-15 11:52:08 AM  

ichiban: Several people died last year (two years ago?) when a car crashed into a buggy. I can't imagine a good reason for them refusing.


They claim its gods will and accept the fact. I'm sorry but public safety overrules your crazy religion.
 
2011-09-15 11:52:38 AM  
"Goodbye Brother Munson, Goodbye Whore!"
 
2011-09-15 11:52:42 AM  
I'm usually very sympathetic and respectful towards other religion customs and traditions as long as they don't affect the rights of anyone. In this case it's a safety issue just not for themselves but others as well, and accommodating the rules just for them is unfair to the rest who may also find any other reason legit or not to be against it. So sorry if that offends you or violates your beliefs but put the damn triangle on your buggies!!
 
2011-09-15 11:52:59 AM  
I have to agree with the comment by Michel Hunt on the site.

I think that there needs to be a line between 'religious freedom' and what's actually religion. Especially for fundamentalists who believe that everything is religious.

When you're grabbing simple shapes as religious symbols, you're getting into nutty territory, as far as I'm concerned.

When it comes to traffic symbols, it's pretty simple(deliberately). Circles are for railroad warnings. Octagon means stop. DiamonTriangles are warning signs, square signs are informational, diamonds for warning signs, etc... Triangles are typically used for non-critical informational, IE 'be aware of this!'.

It's not like some illuminate chose the triangle to spread his hidden religious symbol around. A reflective triangle, especially in that state, means 'slow moving vehicle'. It gives people more warning to SLOW DOWN.
 
2011-09-15 11:53:11 AM  

moops: I bet they use phones and modern equipment in the course of their work/business.


No, they don't.
 
2011-09-15 11:53:40 AM  

Fish in a Barrel: TFA: And the story may not end when those sentences are served. Via says the Swartzentruber Amish could take their grievances over Kentucky's safety triangle laws to the federal level. "The Swartzentruber Amish are the most strict order," he said. "They will not do certain things. And they will not use that triangle."

Well then they can stay off the public roads.


This.
 
2011-09-15 11:53:41 AM  
What a clever headline. I get it, subby. The Amish aren't very funny. So you made your headline not funny to mock them. And it's all the more satisfying because I'm the only one that gets it.
 
2011-09-15 11:54:15 AM  
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2011-09-15 11:55:13 AM  
They trust God to protect them from today's drivers? Well, bye.
 
2011-09-15 11:55:30 AM  

smadge1: I bet they don't let their women drive buggies either right?


"My poor horses! Verily, yon tree doth jumped right out in front of me!"
 
2011-09-15 11:56:53 AM  

astouffer: ichiban: Several people died last year (two years ago?) when a car crashed into a buggy. I can't imagine a good reason for them refusing.

They claim its gods will and accept the fact. I'm sorry but public safety overrules your crazy religion.


I'm fine with their conservative views but they should - with my mention of "render unto caesar what is caesar's" - be able to put the reflectors on their buggies without violating their restrictions.
 
2011-09-15 11:57:05 AM  
I'm guessing they were cited for this during the day.

Maybe they could hang a lantern off the back of the buggy if travelling in the dark? I don't think they travel after dark very much anyway.
 
2011-09-15 11:57:52 AM  

bigstoopidbruce: What a clever headline. I get it, subby. The Amish aren't very funny. So you made your headline not funny to mock them. And it's all the more satisfying because I'm the only one that gets it.


I think I got the joke too. You have to look very hard, but it's there. And once you find it, it's hilarious. I spit my mountain dew and cheetos all over my keyboard.
 
2011-09-15 11:57:57 AM  

fireclown: Really? We let them drive effing horse drawn carriages on the roads, and can't be bothered to put on a flipping triangle? REALLY?


You're not the boss of them. They do what they want, they do what they want, whateva, they do what they want.
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2011-09-15 11:58:21 AM  

ImperialHazman: moops: I bet they use phones and modern equipment in the course of their work/business.

No, they don't.


I don't know about these guys, but some do. I had some Amish guys build a barn for me, and one did have a cell phone for the group, permitted by his bishop. Only for business. They used it once to order some steel. No chatting to the wife or friends and they left it off when not in use that one time. I'm not even sure if they would have used it if someone got hurt. They just engage the modern world as little as possible as a lifestyle choice, but they are not generally stupid about it.
 
2011-09-15 11:59:14 AM  
If you have never watched the video to Weird Al's "Amish Paradise," you owe it to yourself.
 
2011-09-15 12:01:31 PM  
They could get faster horses then they wouldn't need the slow moving vehicle symbol.
 
2011-09-15 12:03:05 PM  

KarmicDisaster: ImperialHazman: moops: I bet they use phones and modern equipment in the course of their work/business.

No, they don't.

I don't know about these guys, but some do. I had some Amish guys build a barn for me, and one did have a cell phone for the group, permitted by his bishop. Only for business. They used it once to order some steel. No chatting to the wife or friends and they left it off when not in use that one time. I'm not even sure if they would have used it if someone got hurt. They just engage the modern world as little as possible as a lifestyle choice, but they are not generally stupid about it.


As I understand it, the Amish have a few overarching beliefs that all Amish follow but there is a lot of variation between different communities. There are 100s of different communities/sects/churches in the whole society. The less strict ones allow cell phones. The more strict ones (Old Order like the guys in the article) won't even go near orange let alone a phone.
 
2011-09-15 12:03:40 PM  

KarmicDisaster: ImperialHazman: moops: I bet they use phones and modern equipment in the course of their work/business.

No, they don't.

I don't know about these guys, but some do. I had some Amish guys build a barn for me, and one did have a cell phone for the group, permitted by his bishop. Only for business. They used it once to order some steel. No chatting to the wife or friends and they left it off when not in use that one time. I'm not even sure if they would have used it if someone got hurt. They just engage the modern world as little as possible as a lifestyle choice, but they are not generally stupid about it.


There are different groups of Amish, and it sounds like these guys are the most hardline folks.
 
2011-09-15 12:03:57 PM  
They use reflective tape, reflector lights where lights would be, and lanterns. I don't really see the problem here. I say tell em to throw some extra tape on there, remind them of all these debauched drivers swigging the devils juice on the road, and send them on their way...
 
2011-09-15 12:06:14 PM  

tricycleracer: Orange triangles are what Amish use to mark sheep molestors, so I can see the problem.


They didn't want TWO orange triangles?
 
2011-09-15 12:06:16 PM  

KarmicDisaster: ImperialHazman: moops: I bet they use phones and modern equipment in the course of their work/business.

No, they don't.

I don't know about these guys, but some do. I had some Amish guys build a barn for me, and one did have a cell phone for the group, permitted by his bishop. Only for business. They used it once to order some steel. No chatting to the wife or friends and they left it off when not in use that one time. I'm not even sure if they would have used it if someone got hurt. They just engage the modern world as little as possible as a lifestyle choice, but they are not generally stupid about it.


I read this book about communities that live off the grid and of course they had a section on the Amish. They are not as opposed to technology as people. Some sects have no problem using power tools or whatever, but like you said, they do not use them for frivolity, but business and nothing more.

One group would chill their meet by buying refrigerators and instead of having them run on electricity would hook them up to a turnstile and would use horse generated power to run the compressor once or twice a day.
 
2011-09-15 12:06:46 PM  
This is basically the same as a devout Muslim woman wanting to wear a burkha for her drivers license photo. Sorry, but if you religion doesn't conform with basic traffic safety and common sense, then stay off the road.
 
2011-09-15 12:07:33 PM  
The triangle is a symbol of the Holy Trinity - God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. Swartzentruber Amish believe in the unity of God, says Via, which motivates their refusal to use the symbol, in addition to the other reasons.

Sounds like a case for Dan Brown. I'll be expecting a new novel by Christmas.
 
2011-09-15 12:07:47 PM  
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2011-09-15 12:07:52 PM  
I live near a huge Mennonite community, and use both Mennonite and Amish products in my store. I hunt on a lot of Mennonite/Amish land. The vast majority of them use cell phones and the like plenty often. There's a percentage of them that live "old order" like these guys, but even they use the orange triangles on their buggies. It honestly sounds like these guys are trying to one-up the rest of the crazies.
 
2011-09-15 12:10:07 PM  

Maul555: They use reflective tape, reflector lights where lights would be, and lanterns. I don't really see the problem here. I say tell em to throw some extra tape on there, remind them of all these debauched drivers swigging the devils juice on the road, and send them on their way...


They make the best 'shine, actually.
 
2011-09-15 12:10:12 PM  

Firethorn: I have to agree with the comment by Michel Hunt on the site.

I think that there needs to be a line between 'religious freedom' and what's actually religion. Especially for fundamentalists who believe that everything is religious.

When you're grabbing simple shapes as religious symbols, you're getting into nutty territory, as far as I'm concerned.



Oh yeah?

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2011-09-15 12:10:26 PM  

fireclown: Really? We let them drive effing horse drawn carriages on the roads, and can't be bothered to put on a flipping triangle? REALLY?


I don't understand why they would refuse. I've seen plenty of buggies with those things on them in Lancaster, Pa.

/DRTFA
 
2011-09-15 12:11:01 PM  

macross87: manimal2878: KarmicDisaster: ImperialHazman: moops: I bet they use phones and modern equipment in the course of their work/business.

No, they don't.

I don't know about these guys, but some do. I had some Amish guys build a barn for me, and one did have a cell phone for the group, permitted by his bishop. Only for business. They used it once to order some steel. No chatting to the wife or friends and they left it off when not in use that one time. I'm not even sure if they would have used it if someone got hurt. They just engage the modern world as little as possible as a lifestyle choice, but they are not generally stupid about it.

I read this book about communities that live off the grid and of course they had a section on the Amish. They are not as opposed to technology as people. Some sects have no problem using power tools or whatever, but like you said, they do not use them for frivolity, but business and nothing more.

One group would chill their meet by buying refrigerators and instead of having them run on electricity would hook them up to a turnstile and would use horse generated power to run the compressor once or twice a day.

Chill their meet?

/Tis an odd group


Meat, milk, whatever.
 
2011-09-15 12:11:44 PM  
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2011-09-15 12:12:03 PM  

theknuckler_33: fireclown: Really? We let them drive effing horse drawn carriages on the roads, and can't be bothered to put on a flipping triangle? REALLY?

I don't understand why they would refuse. I've seen plenty of buggies with those things on them in Lancaster, Pa.

/DRTFA


FTFA: They belong to the Old Order Swartzentruber Amish.

I guess this has something to do with it.
 
2011-09-15 12:12:51 PM  

KarmicDisaster: ImperialHazman: moops: I bet they use phones and modern equipment in the course of their work/business.

No, they don't.

I don't know about these guys, but some do. I had some Amish guys build a barn for me, and one did have a cell phone for the group, permitted by his bishop. Only for business. They used it once to order some steel. No chatting to the wife or friends and they left it off when not in use that one time. I'm not even sure if they would have used it if someone got hurt. They just engage the modern world as little as possible as a lifestyle choice, but they are not generally stupid about it.


Yeah, we have some around here (their market is the only place in a 100 mile radius that you can get cheese curds down here). I talk to the two girls that work there pretty often, I was told that they do not have them in their homes, but in central places where work is performed, they do. I was told there are several different schools of belief in the Amish/Mennonite community, so they made sure to tell me they do not speak for any other community.
 
2011-09-15 12:14:06 PM  
What's wrong with letting them use a minimum amount of specifically placed reflective tape instead of forcing the use of triangles?

Are they jewish or something?
 
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