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2011-07-24 1:36:37 PM  
Pretty, anyway.
 
2011-07-24 2:14:00 PM  
That was absolutely beautiful.
 
2011-07-24 2:20:54 PM  
Very amazing video :)

Here's the info about it

And an article arguing sea shells fitting the Fibonnaci sequence is a bit of a myth.
 
2011-07-24 2:50:55 PM  
Have you ever seen the Fibonacci sequence...ON WEED?
 
2011-07-24 2:56:25 PM  
I know what I'm building on Minecraft next
 
2011-07-24 2:56:56 PM  

cretinbob: I know what I'm building on Minecraft next


A girlfriend?
 
2011-07-24 3:00:06 PM  
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Djkb: Have you ever seen the Fibonacci sequence...ON WEED?


It's the LSD that makes it extremely obvious
 
2011-07-24 3:43:24 PM  
The CG dragonfly was dope.
 
2011-07-24 3:47:40 PM  
Spiral Out.
 
2011-07-24 4:02:19 PM  

kronicfeld: cretinbob: I know what I'm building on Minecraft next

A girlfriend?


I lol'd.
 
2011-07-24 4:03:01 PM  
Very cool video, but I do have a musician's rant I can't help expressing...

Minimalist music: Easiest thing in the world to write, but works fantastically well as casual background music for 'profound' imagery, and background music for media applications are most of the market nowadays. Thus, musical hacks are employable, and more talented musicians can't get jobs.

Okay, end rant. Proceed as usual.
 
2011-07-24 4:03:04 PM  
Only tangentially related: One of my students was so enthused by gastropods in lab last year that when he was out DJ'ing at clubs during the semester he performed under the name 'DJ Siphuncle'.
 
2011-07-24 4:12:33 PM  
I was most impressed when I learned a while back that the using phi in a rotational setting (the angle γ) allows for the least overlap between instances. This is why leaves tend to organize themselves around their stem using γ, because they won't shade each other as much.
 
2011-07-24 4:14:13 PM  

Virtuoso80: Okay, end rant. Proceed as usual.


Was that music really "minimalist"? At any rate, it was annoying after a while, with those overly-loud piano tinkles.
 
2011-07-24 4:24:11 PM  
Black then white are, all i see...

Link (new window)
 
2011-07-24 4:30:57 PM  

kronicfeld: cretinbob: I know what I'm building on Minecraft next

A girlfriend?


hehehehe
 
2011-07-24 4:33:52 PM  
That was pretty sweet. Math fascinates me, unfortunately for me, I suck at it badly
 
2011-07-24 4:42:28 PM  
Virtuoso80

Minimalist music: Easiest thing in the world to write, but works fantastically well as casual background music for 'profound' imagery, and background music for media applications are most of the market nowadays. Thus, musical hacks are employable, and more talented musicians can't get jobs.

If you were truly that talented, your jobs would be finding you.
 
2011-07-24 4:42:52 PM  
The Fibonacci sequence is absolute perfection evidence that reusable code is a really old idea

FTFsubby
 
2011-07-24 4:44:00 PM  

Virtuoso80: Very cool video, but I do have a musician's rant I can't help expressing...

Minimalist music: Easiest thing in the world to write, but works fantastically well as casual background music for 'profound' imagery, and background music for media applications are most of the market nowadays. Thus, musical hacks are employable, and more talented musicians can't get jobs.

Okay, end rant. Proceed as usual.


Minimalism is easy to parrot because of how very copy/pastey it is ("hey, I wrote two measures of music! I'll just copy that 400 billion times and call it art"), but well-done minimalist works are spectacular. Reich's Eight Lines springs to mind.

Although I tend to agree with the notion of "background" in minimalism--the less well-made stuff is far too boring to be at the foreground. I composed a number of minimalist ideas years ago that sat around collecting dust because they were boring on their own, and then I finally realized that I could use them as a backdrop, and then they were great.

I think the post-minimalists are a better breed, because they saw the value in minimalist textures but are capable of using them for larger structures and aesthetic goals. John Adams is a good example; although there are a number of his works I'm not terribly fond of, Road Movies and Harmonium are wonderful.

While writing background music is itself a skill, this work was just irritatingly monotonous, like listening to a lot of Glass' soundtracks. Good God, give me something more than a I-iii chord progression. Eesh.

</music nerd>
 
2011-07-24 4:50:00 PM  

kronicfeld: cretinbob: I know what I'm building on Minecraft next

A girlfriend?


+ 1
I lol'd
 
2011-07-24 4:50:21 PM  

theorellior: Virtuoso80: Okay, end rant. Proceed as usual.

Was that music really "minimalist"? At any rate, it was annoying after a while, with those overly-loud piano tinkles.


To my ears it sounded like the composer was aping Philip Glass' shtick -- I wanted to chant "Koyaanisqatsi".
 
2011-07-24 4:51:25 PM  

Meethos: Black then white are, all i see...

Link (new window)


First thing I thought of, too.
 
2011-07-24 4:52:49 PM  

Meethos: Black then white are, all i see...

Link (new window)


Damn.......beat me to it....
 
2011-07-24 4:53:51 PM  

jfarkinB: The Fibonacci sequence is absolute perfection evidence that reusable code is a really old idea

FTFsubby


What?
 
2011-07-24 5:04:59 PM  
Ummm yeah....about the music.....think about what you were watching.
Now think about it really really hard.

I'll give a hint...music is math and math is music.
 
2011-07-24 5:07:54 PM  
Link (new window)
 
2011-07-24 5:15:47 PM  
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Agrees with subby.
 
2011-07-24 5:21:21 PM  
I don't trust all these spirals
[image from img169.imageshack.us too old to be available]
/hot and creepy
 
2011-07-24 5:22:33 PM  
Came for the Tool references. Leaving satisfied.
 
2011-07-24 5:24:35 PM  

Meethos: Black then white are, all i see...

Link (new window)


I'm a big Tool fan, but sometimes I wonder with songs like that if a conversation similar to this took place:
Adam: Danny, this new song is great and I love the bassline, but do you think the Fibonnaci sequences are a bit much?
Danny: What do you mean, Adam? *eats more acid*
Adam: Well, we're super artsy fartsy and our fans love it that you can't dance to our OCD time signatures and polyrhythms, but do you think this might be a bit TOO pretentious?
Maynard: Too pretentious? There's no such thing as too pretentious.
 
2011-07-24 5:26:24 PM  

Syllabic: Meethos: Black then white are, all i see...

Link (new window)

I'm a big Tool fan, but sometimes I wonder with songs like that if a conversation similar to this took place:
Adam: Danny, this new song is great and I love the bassline, but do you think the Fibonnaci sequences are a bit much?
Danny: What do you mean, Adam? *eats more acid*
Adam: Well, we're super artsy fartsy and our fans love it that you can't dance to our OCD time signatures and polyrhythms, but do you think this might be a bit TOO pretentious?
Maynard: Too pretentious? There's no such thing as too pretentious.


I lol'd.

Us tool fans know what we like, so does tool, they deliver. Listen to their solo works to see their individual personalities (all are awesome).

But I, too, have wondered how the song writing discussions go.
 
2011-07-24 5:29:22 PM  

studebaker hoch: Virtuoso80

Minimalist music: Easiest thing in the world to write, but works fantastically well as casual background music for 'profound' imagery, and background music for media applications are most of the market nowadays. Thus, musical hacks are employable, and more talented musicians can't get jobs.

If you were truly that talented, your jobs would be finding you.


That is not always true. A lot of gifted people can go unemployed for a variety of reasons, even true genuses can sometimes not be recognized as such for years.

Also he never said HE was talented. He might very well be one of those talentless hacks who is gainfully employed and just commenting on the situation. (This is the possibility I find the most amusing)
 
2011-07-24 5:45:04 PM  

Syllabic: Meethos: Black then white are, all i see...

Link (new window)

I'm a big Tool fan, but sometimes I wonder with songs like that if a conversation similar to this took place:
Adam: Danny, this new song is great and I love the bassline, but do you think the Fibonnaci sequences are a bit much?
Danny: What do you mean, Adam? *eats more acid*
Adam: Well, we're super artsy fartsy and our fans love it that you can't dance to our OCD time signatures and polyrhythms, but do you think this might be a bit TOO pretentious?
Maynard: Too pretentious? There's no such thing as too pretentious.


I liked them better when they were called Green Jello
 
2011-07-24 5:50:37 PM  
Oh my.....
 
2011-07-24 6:04:51 PM  
Fibonacci striped socks are lucky.
 
2011-07-24 6:06:44 PM  

austerity101: Virtuoso80: Very cool video, but I do have a musician's rant I can't help expressing...

Minimalist music: Easiest thing in the world to write, but works fantastically well as casual background music for 'profound' imagery, and background music for media applications are most of the market nowadays. Thus, musical hacks are employable, and more talented musicians can't get jobs.

Okay, end rant. Proceed as usual.

Minimalism is easy to parrot because of how very copy/pastey it is ("hey, I wrote two measures of music! I'll just copy that 400 billion times and call it art"), but well-done minimalist works are spectacular. Reich's Eight Lines springs to mind.

Although I tend to agree with the notion of "background" in minimalism--the less well-made stuff is far too boring to be at the foreground. I composed a number of minimalist ideas years ago that sat around collecting dust because they were boring on their own, and then I finally realized that I could use them as a backdrop, and then they were great.

I think the post-minimalists are a better breed, because they saw the value in minimalist textures but are capable of using them for larger structures and aesthetic goals. John Adams is a good example; although there are a number of his works I'm not terribly fond of, Road Movies and Harmonium are wonderful.

While writing background music is itself a skill, this work was just irritatingly monotonous, like listening to a lot of Glass' soundtracks. Good God, give me something more than a I-iii chord progression. Eesh.

</music nerd>


As the format of my post suggests, I was largely venting some frustration. Objectively, you can apply minimalist or having minimalist elements to a ton of varied music, and I can hardly bash it all. Perhaps 'minimalism' is semantically not the right target, and more accurately my beef is with a society that seems to have less and less use for musical sophistication. Yeah, it's a snobby opinion, but one that comes form seeing so much great talent out there unable to pay the rent.
 
2011-07-24 6:21:27 PM  

Dougie AXP: Syllabic: Meethos: Black then white are, all i see...

Link (new window)

I'm a big Tool fan, but sometimes I wonder with songs like that if a conversation similar to this took place:
Adam: Danny, this new song is great and I love the bassline, but do you think the Fibonnaci sequences are a bit much?
Danny: What do you mean, Adam? *eats more acid*
Adam: Well, we're super artsy fartsy and our fans love it that you can't dance to our OCD time signatures and polyrhythms, but do you think this might be a bit TOO pretentious?
Maynard: Too pretentious? There's no such thing as too pretentious.

I lol'd.

Us tool fans know what we like, so does tool, they deliver. Listen to their solo works to see their individual personalities (all are awesome).

But I, too, have wondered how the song writing discussions go.


Going to see A perfect Circle at Red Rocks in August. Never seen them or Tool before. So excited.

/end threadjack
 
2011-07-24 6:22:27 PM  
What is that music anyway? Wim Mertens?
 
2011-07-24 6:32:40 PM  
 
2011-07-24 6:33:12 PM  

Virtuoso80: As the format of my post suggests, I was largely venting some frustration. Objectively, you can apply minimalist or having minimalist elements to a ton of varied music, and I can hardly bash it all. Perhaps 'minimalism' is semantically not the right target, and more accurately my beef is with a society that seems to have less and less use for musical sophistication. Yeah, it's a snobby opinion, but one that comes form seeing so much great talent out there unable to pay the rent.


I think you misunderstand: I was agreeing with you, actually--but just broadening the sentiment a bit.

Keyser_Soze_Death: Wim Mertens (new window) is not just the minimalist authority, he is a prolific artist.

"Often a bird" (from the vid) is one of my favorite compositions of his.


After listening to some of his other compositions, it's my opinion that he should stick to singing and musicology.
 
2011-07-24 6:40:57 PM  
Know that story about the guy who figured out the secrets to the universe are hidden in pi?


It's all true, except its not pi, it's phi.
 
2011-07-24 7:19:47 PM  

ronin7: studebaker hoch: Virtuoso80

Minimalist music: Easiest thing in the world to write, but works fantastically well as casual background music for 'profound' imagery, and background music for media applications are most of the market nowadays. Thus, musical hacks are employable, and more talented musicians can't get jobs.

If you were truly that talented, your jobs would be finding you.

That is not always true. A lot of gifted people can go unemployed for a variety of reasons, even true genuses can sometimes not be recognized as such for years.

Also he never said HE was talented. He might very well be one of those talentless hacks who is gainfully employed and just commenting on the situation. (This is the possibility I find the most amusing)


I have my ego (as my screen name might suggest), but in truth I don't have anything to my name that would qualify my as exceptionally gifted. I'm a decent pianist/guitarist, and a competent composer. If I'm anything beyond that time will have to tell.

I do totally disagree with the 'jobs find you' bit. A HUGE part of the music business is getting your name out there, and being at the right place at the right time. Competition is insane at pretty much every level, from pop to classical. There are pianists who've been winning concerto competitions since they were 10 years old, and have a graduate degree from Yale or Julliard, who can't find a job and wind up doing something else for money, or who are still doing what I'm doing: teaching privately. It's one of the reasons I'm seriously considering a career change.
 
2011-07-24 7:35:00 PM  
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I can make them spirals, too.
 
2011-07-24 7:39:03 PM  

Meethos: Black then white are, all i see...

Link (new window)


Now here's IMO some excellent music with minimalist elements in it. And it employs a Fibonacci sequence, perfectly bringing our tangental musical conversation back home. I love it!
 
2011-07-24 7:39:48 PM  

jfarkinB: The Fibonacci sequence is absolute perfection evidence that reusable code is a really old idea

FTFsubby


Came here for this point to be made.

Thanks
 
2011-07-24 7:42:29 PM  

Meethos: Black then white are, all i see...

Link (new window)


Awesome. I need to listen to more Fibonacci themed music.
 
2011-07-24 8:08:54 PM  

Tempest2097: Awesome. I need to listen to more Fibonacci themed music.


Okay (new window)
 
2011-07-24 8:33:07 PM  

Tiberius Gracchus: Tempest2097: Awesome. I need to listen to more Fibonacci themed music.

Okay (new window)


Came here to post this.
 
2011-07-24 8:50:13 PM  

Tiberius Gracchus: Tempest2097: Awesome. I need to listen to more Fibonacci themed music.

Okay (new window)


Hey, can't go wrong with Dr. Steel, even if I've already heard it. Still, made of awesome.
 
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