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2011-07-13 3:07:08 PM  

bigdavediode: DjangoStonereaver: Wow.

I think if you're equating Bill Gates with John Wayne Gacey you need to see a mental
health professional immediately. Or you're Richard Stallman, and if you are I have the
same advice: seek help now.

Really? You think John Wayne Gacy did more overall damage to society? Please explain.

Please include the jobs lost at Stac Electronics in your response.

http://techrights.org/comes-vs-microsoft/text/msg00179.html


I am so dumbfounded by your lack of perspective that I can only say:

It is a pleasure to meet you, Mr. Stallman.
 
2011-07-13 3:09:54 PM  

bigdavediode: Applaud good works, but never applaud the man. Always know that he will shove a shiv in your back.


I guess that's sort of what I mean. I don't applaud the life of Carnegie or Gates as a whole, but I still applaud their good deeds, no matter what they have done in the past or what their intentions for giving are.

I don't know if Gates feels guilty or if he genuinely wants to help. I know that if I had that kind of money, I'd be trying to do some good with it, if only because there's no reason not to. Honestly, my life would be no different if I had one billion dollars than it would if I had 50 billion. There's only so many ivory backscratchers one needs.
 
2011-07-13 3:14:22 PM  
I really don't feel that Bill Gates did "damage to society" in general. The actions of he and his company did personal damage to many individuals, while simultaneously giving jobs and security to many others. He did cheat a few times, gaining illegitimate advantages over other companies, but overall it seems to me that the world is a better place for it, considering that fortune he made is now making better the lives of millions of people.

Hell, even his most ruthless actions still pale in comparison to the evil of current CEOs and lawmakers, and I don't see them inventing new toilets.
 
2011-07-13 3:22:07 PM  

ronaprhys: And yes, my complaint is low flow. I've pooed in many a different low flow toilet and have always had problems. In fact, most of my friends have had the same issue. As for the cradling issue, that's the seat itself, not the toilet.


I'll echo bigdavediode here: Your problem isn't low-flow. Low-flow is what you're blaming the problem on. My house came with two anything but low-flow toilets in the house - and they didn't flush good.

I paid $98 for a 5/5 rated toilet, handicap height, elongated bowl. Installed it myself. It flushes like a champ, despite only using 1.8 gallons or whatever it was per flush. I've never had to flush twice.

If you've had lots of low flow toilets to go in, odds are you're in one of the areas that mandated it early, back when they still rated toilets in the number of ping pong balls it could flush. The new rating system uses bean paste formed into turds instead, much more realistic. Gen1 low flow toilets indeed failed to suck adequately. ;) However, we're up to gen 3 or so - and a 5/5 or 10/10 toilet(depending on what scale the store is using), will flush some heroically huge turds.

Yes, it'll cost you some money and a bit of time(and yuck if you do it yourself), but if I used the 2nd bathroom more I'd be installing one there as well.

Costs: $70-200 for the toilet 'kit', $20 for a new waterline hose, assuming you have the necessary tools already - a set of wrenches, maybe a hacksaw. Instructions are included. I went ahead and sprayed the hardware with a sealant for that extra bit of protection. Took me about an hour to do.

Results: No more clogged toilets. It's up to you as to whether it's worth $120 or so to not have to worry about clogs.
 
2011-07-13 3:27:17 PM  

Firethorn: The new rating system uses bean paste formed into turds instead, much more realistic.


Hahaaahahaha no not really..

Rly?
 
2011-07-13 3:32:46 PM  
It probably isn't such a fantastic idea to discuss toilets with the Germans.

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2011-07-13 3:37:09 PM  

Teufelaffe: I am not a Limivore: Would someone with Photoshop skills please create a toilet with a Microsoft logo and Ctrl-Alt-Del buttons?

/KTHXBYE

What a Windows toilet might look like:
[www.teufelaffe.com image 480x552]


Thanks for your labors. It reminds me of the '3 seashells'.
 
2011-07-13 3:54:07 PM  
FTFA: He says there are biological bacteria that could turn waste into compost;

stevarooni: Is there some sort of inorganic bacteria of which I'm not aware? :o


The first rule of inorganic bacteria is that you do NOT talk about inorganic bacteria.
 
2011-07-13 3:54:59 PM  
I helped build a toilet for a Third-world village that didn't have one, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2011-07-13 4:26:52 PM  
suprised no one remembers this: The iToilet

Link (new window)
 
2011-07-13 4:35:32 PM  

Firethorn: ronaprhys: And yes, my complaint is low flow. I've pooed in many a different low flow toilet and have always had problems. In fact, most of my friends have had the same issue. As for the cradling issue, that's the seat itself, not the toilet.

I'll echo bigdavediode here: Your problem isn't low-flow. Low-flow is what you're blaming the problem on. My house came with two anything but low-flow toilets in the house - and they didn't flush good.

I paid $98 for a 5/5 rated toilet, handicap height, elongated bowl. Installed it myself. It flushes like a champ, despite only using 1.8 gallons or whatever it was per flush. I've never had to flush twice.

If you've had lots of low flow toilets to go in, odds are you're in one of the areas that mandated it early, back when they still rated toilets in the number of ping pong balls it could flush. The new rating system uses bean paste formed into turds instead, much more realistic. Gen1 low flow toilets indeed failed to suck adequately. ;) However, we're up to gen 3 or so - and a 5/5 or 10/10 toilet(depending on what scale the store is using), will flush some heroically huge turds.

Yes, it'll cost you some money and a bit of time(and yuck if you do it yourself), but if I used the 2nd bathroom more I'd be installing one there as well.

Costs: $70-200 for the toilet 'kit', $20 for a new waterline hose, assuming you have the necessary tools already - a set of wrenches, maybe a hacksaw. Instructions are included. I went ahead and sprayed the hardware with a sealant for that extra bit of protection. Took me about an hour to do.

Results: No more clogged toilets. It's up to you as to whether it's worth $120 or so to not have to worry about clogs.


My house is actually very new (less the 5yo), so my problem shouldn't have too much to do with the early gen issues. In terms of the yuck factor, meh - I've rebuilt bathrooms from the ground up, so I'm no stranger to plumbing and installing toilets.

At this point, it's more of a math of the cost of the new toilet vs the cost of water + frustration. Water isn't particularly expensive for me, so that's not a big deal. Since it's septic, that water goes right back into the water table, which isn't a bad thing, either.
 
2011-07-13 5:21:54 PM  

tuxq: Snarfangel: Senordos13: Are we still using the "windows crashes all the time" HURR HURR.

95% of BSOD are from user installed crap. Not Microsofts fault.

That's hard to avoid with toilets.

CCleaner.


I'd just like to add, that the first C in CCleaner stands for Crap.

/great tool, I'm using it occasionally
//I would also add that it's been 5 years that I have seen a BSOD, and it was due to a piss poorly written video driver. Otherwise, my Windows PC's run fluently without stoppage.
 
2011-07-13 5:44:26 PM  

traylor: //I would also add that it's been 5 years that I have seen a BSOD, and it was due to a piss poorly written video driver. Otherwise, my Windows PC's run fluently without stoppage.


Yeah, piss poor written video drivers shouldn't be able to take down an operating system. Microsoft moved video drivers to ring zero to get better performance out of pinball.
 
2011-07-13 6:39:36 PM  

Electromax: and no one is denying that Gates never did wrong


I'll step up and deny it. What was his horrible crime? Bundling IE? OOOH! EEEVIL MAN PROVIDES MORE FEATURES IN A PRODUCT! BOOGAH BOOGAH BOOGAH!

Yeah, and throwing in Minesweeper was unfair competition with the game manufacturers.

There has always been competition for IE, first with Navigator and later with Firefox and Chrome. In fact, Microsoft has pretty much pulled a foot bullet with IE, not getting with the standards program, and trying to set their own standards. That's why it's market share has steadily eroded for years. Developers hate it, and increasingly so do users.

Gates is where he is today because of the Phoenix BIOS, Compaq, and the stupidity of IBM lawyers. Further along, Gates didn't force lotus to spend more money on lawyers than programmers. Gates didn't cause Ashton-Tate to completely screw the pooch on dBase IV. Gates didn't cause WordPerfect for Windows to suck balls. So he got the office suite chunk of the business by of all things plugging along and putting out a better product.

He is not a criminal, or wouldn't be in a world with just laws.
 
2011-07-13 6:50:31 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: Firethorn: The new rating system uses bean paste formed into turds instead, much more realistic.

Hahaaahahaha no not really..

Rly?


Rly. MaP testing.

ronaprhys: My house is actually very new (less the 5yo), so my problem shouldn't have too much to do with the early gen issues. In terms of the yuck factor, meh - I've rebuilt bathrooms from the ground up, so I'm no stranger to plumbing and installing toilets.

Maybe they installed a lousy 1 star toilet? I saw them at the store when I bought my 5 star one. It also depends on whether it's a 1.6 gpf or a 1.28 gpf unit.

At this point, it's more of a math of the cost of the new toilet vs the cost of water + frustration.

I'm also on a well/septic system. Water doesn't cost any more than the electricity needed to pump it. What I really don't like is a toilet failing to flush everything the first time. The old toilets in my house didn't do that, plus were leaking, so I replaced the one I use - I had already repaired one before I discovered the flush issue.

So yes, I spent ~$120 to remove a source of frustration in my life. Not to mention increased comfort. Saving water wasn't really on the list. I was looking for the best flusher for the dollar, with emphasis on 'best flush'.
 
2011-07-13 7:29:29 PM  

Firethorn: MaP testing.


FTA: British medical study...identified 250g as the average maximum fecal size of the male participants in the study


A solid half-pounder average. Rule Britannia!
 
2011-07-13 7:34:28 PM  
 
2011-07-13 7:36:00 PM  

beerbaron: He is not a criminal, or wouldn't be in a world with just laws.


Read his deposition. Once you're done reading it, come back and type that.
 
2011-07-13 10:44:09 PM  
So what is going to happen when enough rapid waste recycling starts to compound prions (like the ones that cause mad cows) to build up in local populations?
 
2011-07-13 10:50:22 PM  

Electromax: It's hard to call him a scumbag about things 13 years ago when he's making amends. Like the quote says, it's what you do. When you wanna talk about scumbags at least start with the people who cling to their wealth to the grave.



Gates seems to mean well on a macro level. Probably wishes the best for mankind. But personally, he's a ruthless competitor who will stop at nothing to get what he wants. Now that he's consistently been the richest man on the planet, he's won. He can get on with that "good will to mankind" angle.

But, if there's a way to ruthlessly crush the competition in the philanthropy department, I expect Gates to pursue it.
 
2011-07-13 10:56:59 PM  
Okay compost is coming out.
 
2011-07-14 1:39:02 AM  

bigdavediode: Read his deposition. Once you're done reading it, come back and type that.


Link?
 
2011-07-14 2:02:06 AM  
Wasn't interesting enough to keep me from reading the 10 best Harry Potter spells instead
 
2011-07-14 12:02:49 PM  
Already done(in parody at least):
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Hello there. I'm James Dyson. Inventor of the Dyson Vacuum....the first vacuum that doesn't use suction.

And now I've applied the same technology to another household necessity, the common toilet. You see, I was visiting a friend one weekend and after taking a particularly difficult Sunday-morning squat on what I thought was a pretty good commode,...

I was amazed by the lousy suction.

I realized there must be something terribly wrong with this design.

I took the toilet apart and discovered the problem.

A small amount of my discard was hopelessly clogged.

So I decided to design something better. And a few thousand prototypes later I had it....the Dyson Toilet.

The first toilet that doesn't use suction.

Just look at how it handles this massive load of pumpkin ravioli.

And those ravioli were quite dense. It's brilliant, isn't it?

The Dyson Toilet....the first toilet that doesn't require plunging.
 
2011-07-14 5:27:09 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: A solid half-pounder average. Rule Britannia!


It's not 'average', it's the 'average maximum'. I'm not sure how they got that, perhaps something like '90% of dumps were 250g or less'.

Note that the USA demands 350g, and some do 500g. I'm not a huge guy, but I lay some huge ones, which is why I went for one of the 5 star 500g units.
 
2011-07-14 5:34:46 PM  

Firethorn: I went for one of the 5 star 500g units.


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2011-07-14 5:42:14 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: Firethorn: I went for one of the 5 star 500g units.

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Yeah, I want that sucker to flush no matter WHO has to use it, because if there's anything worse than cleaning a toilet clogged with your own shiat, it's cleaning a toilet clogged with somebody else's shiat.

Plus, it wasn't really any more money.
 
2011-07-14 5:45:07 PM  

Firethorn: Yeah, I want that sucker to flush no matter WHO has to use it, because if there's anything worse than cleaning a toilet clogged with your own shiat, it's cleaning a toilet clogged with somebody else's shiat.


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Gotcha.
 
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