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2011-07-13 9:00:58 AM  
He says there have been experiments to turn excrement into a kind of microwave that can be used as a source of energy.

They could call it a Dutch oven, or perhaps a Cleveland steamer.
 
2011-07-13 9:07:26 AM  
BWOD?
 
2011-07-13 9:08:24 AM  
God, I hope there's no recycling bin.
 
2011-07-13 9:29:29 AM  
So... Poo Stream of Death?
 
2011-07-13 9:46:34 AM  
Just last night I was just watching a documentary about the benefits of composting toilets in sub-Saharan climates. Just mix in a bit of ash and you've got great fertilizer every eight months or so.

Yes, I live a life full of excitement and intrigue.
 
2011-07-13 10:03:17 AM  

brap: Just last night I was just watching a documentary about the benefits of composting toilets in sub-Saharan climates. Just mix in a bit of ash and you've got great fertilizer every eight months or so.

Yes, I live a life full of excitement and intrigue.


I didn't read that as "excitement" the first time.

/I blame the subject matter.
 
2011-07-13 10:09:13 AM  
 
2011-07-13 10:25:11 AM  
I don't want to brag, but I've never had to flush my toilet running Ubuntu. 3 straight ears with no clogs.
 
2011-07-13 10:56:14 AM  
Figured this would be a low flush flame war. This is actually a very laudable goal.
 
2011-07-13 10:56:33 AM  
It's the right idea but trying to do anything for people in completely corrupt poorly run countries really doesn't do much. Those governments need to be destroyed and rebuilt into something functional before the people can be helped.
 
2011-07-13 10:56:46 AM  
But will you be able to log onto Twitter with it?
 
2011-07-13 10:57:33 AM  
PC Load Letter
 
2011-07-13 10:58:06 AM  
Well this is right up Bill Gate's alley. He's been working with shiat for years now.
 
2011-07-13 10:58:33 AM  
Taaaa Daaaaaaa ♪♫♫

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2011-07-13 10:58:49 AM  
THis is the future of everyone if this takes off:

BWOD
 
2011-07-13 10:59:11 AM  
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2011-07-13 10:59:45 AM  
Why? Hundred dollar bills keep clogging his?
 
2011-07-13 11:00:26 AM  
Darnit, link fail. I give up.
 
2011-07-13 11:01:26 AM  
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Aw crap, it blue screened.
 
2011-07-13 11:01:37 AM  

Anayalator: PC Load Letter


PC Load Letter load
 
2011-07-13 11:01:37 AM  
Windows Update turned my computer into a toilet last night, so I'm getting a kick out of some of these replies.
 
2011-07-13 11:01:42 AM  
...and the world will beat a path to your door. Better stock up on lysol, Bill.
 
2011-07-13 11:02:27 AM  
Over the next five years, this project aims to provide 800,000 people in Kenya with access to sanitation facilities and ensure clean drinking water for 200,000.

In a year, we will hear about Apple's iWater service, which will do the same exact farking thing but cost $20 a month for these people to use. Naturally, 5% of these people will do it as it is the hip and trendy thing to do because the water is bluer and more sparkly.
 
2011-07-13 11:02:45 AM  
Do you have to wait 20 minutes for it to boot up before you can use it?
 
2011-07-13 11:03:30 AM  
Bill Gates announces the end of support for Toilet 1.0. Users must upgrade to Toilet 2.0 or be subject to attacks from viruses.
 
2011-07-13 11:04:01 AM  
Microsoft Stool?
 
2011-07-13 11:04:26 AM  
So, Onion articles are coming true:

New e-toilet to revolutionize online shiatting
 
2011-07-13 11:04:39 AM  

jabbedxorz: Over the next five years, this project aims to provide 800,000 people in Kenya with access to sanitation facilities and ensure clean drinking water for 200,000.

In a year, we will hear about Apple's iWater service, which will do the same exact farking thing but cost $20 a month for these people to use. Naturally, 5% of these people will do it as it is the hip and trendy thing to do because the water is bluer and more sparkly.


I've already been using iWater for years. Way before you ever heard of it.
 
2011-07-13 11:05:25 AM  

Frehar: Do you have to wait 20 minutes for it to boot up before you can use it?



I'm more worried about it getting locked up several times a day.
 
2011-07-13 11:05:31 AM  
Say what you will, Bill Gates will continue to show by action what a phenomenal human being he is..

To quote:
"It's not who you are inside, but what you DO that defines you."
 
2011-07-13 11:06:03 AM  
Your excessive watching of porn will screw it up and give it viruses, but you'll then blame the toilet for your excessive watching of porn?
 
2011-07-13 11:06:09 AM  
That headline would have been relevant about ... 4 or 5 years ago. Now, not so much...


/3 out of 10. keep up with the times. The Apple App Store is the turd in the punchbowl now.
//In example: Gates to reinvent the toilet. Jobs stalls, claims the App Store has already fulfilled that role.
 
2011-07-13 11:06:51 AM  
Are we still using the "windows crashes all the time" HURR HURR.

95% of BSOD are from user installed crap. Not Microsofts fault.

Windows 7 is pretty stable as well. I don't ever have any problems with my HTPC or my second laptop.

/typing from Macbook Pro.
 
2011-07-13 11:08:47 AM  
Turd ProcessorTM
 
2011-07-13 11:09:41 AM  
...Brown Ring of Death also comes to mind.
 
2011-07-13 11:10:14 AM  

Herb Utsmelz: Turd ProcessorTM


okay, that was good
 
2011-07-13 11:10:28 AM  

Herb Utsmelz: Turd ProcessorTM


Turds Inside
 
2011-07-13 11:11:55 AM  
Just what the world needs, a toilet that plays the Windows jingle when flushed.
 
2011-07-13 11:12:03 AM  

Senordos13: Are we still using the "windows crashes all the time" HURR HURR.

95% of BSOD are from user installed crap. Not Microsofts fault.

Windows 7 is pretty stable as well. I don't ever have any problems with my HTPC or my second laptop.


Bill Gates is not going to sleep with you.
 
2011-07-13 11:12:05 AM  
I'd buy one...my toilet occasionally doesn't stop running, my Windows PC stops all the time. Seems like a good way to keep my floor dry.
 
2011-07-13 11:12:09 AM  

beta_plus: This is actually a very laudable goal.


It really is. Poop jokes are hilarious and all that, but something as simple as sanitation in an area that desperately needs it can and will save lives, and improve the quality of living for countless people.
 
2011-07-13 11:12:14 AM  

Senordos13: Are we still using the "windows crashes all the time" HURR HURR.

95% of BSOD are from user installed crap. Not Microsofts fault.


That's hard to avoid with toilets.
 
2011-07-13 11:15:58 AM  

Snarfangel: Senordos13: Are we still using the "windows crashes all the time" HURR HURR.

95% of BSOD are from user installed crap. Not Microsofts fault.

That's hard to avoid with toilets.


CCleaner.
 
2011-07-13 11:17:35 AM  

Senordos13: Are we still using the "windows crashes all the time" HURR HURR.

95% of BSOD are from user installed crap. Not Microsofts fault.

Windows 7 is pretty stable as well. I don't ever have any problems with my HTPC or my second laptop.

/typing from Macbook Pro.


PC users all around are stupid. Half of them don't even have 1% of the knowledge IT people do to do anything with their computer. I can bet over 30% of people go to Geek Squad to install Windows 7.

/Microsoft Windows sucks so much it runs great right after the install.
//Right before you start installing your iTunes, AIM and other RAM nom'ing programs that eat your start up power.
///MAC users have the same problem, but they feel safe in their box that Force Quits every program imaginable.
 
2011-07-13 11:18:35 AM  

Senordos13: 95% of BSOD are from user installed crap. Not Microsofts fault.


I think the new direction would also be from user installed crap.
 
2011-07-13 11:18:47 AM  
So, most people will stuff random things they find around the house in their Windows toilet, then biatch about how terrible Microsoft is when it clogs?
 
2011-07-13 11:19:53 AM  
Stop feeding these people. No food=no waste.
 
2011-07-13 11:21:08 AM  
It appears you are trying to poop.
 
2011-07-13 11:21:11 AM  
What if my etoilet flushes into your iCloud?
 
2011-07-13 11:22:05 AM  
Why? All they'll do is take advantage of it and trash it.
 
2011-07-13 11:23:19 AM  
FTA: "Human waste could be a real gold mine, Rijsberman jokes."

It's panning for nuggets that's the problem.
 
2011-07-13 11:26:12 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: BWOD?


BMOD - bowel movement of death. People are already familiar with these, even.

/goes better with saran wrap.
 
2011-07-13 11:27:48 AM  
Would someone with Photoshop skills please create a toilet with a Microsoft logo and Ctrl-Alt-Del buttons?

/KTHXBYE
 
2011-07-13 11:28:15 AM  
Toilets really are a problem, though. Most of them are low-flow and couldn't carry a turd. The apartment I'm in now at least has a toilet with a jet engine or something. Doesn't cop out when Taco Bell is about.

/Also, black people leave logs in the toilet and don't flush.
//That could be the sanitary problem.
 
2011-07-13 11:29:09 AM  

Mentat: I don't want to brag, but I've never had to flush my toilet running Ubuntu. 3 straight ears with no clogs.


Yeah, but when they put the tank underneath the bowl and replaced the handle with
a footpedal in the Poopy Peacock release I gave up and went to Mintcake XFCE. At
least with that you decide where the plumbing goes.
 
2011-07-13 11:31:01 AM  

unalivezombie: Frehar: Do you have to wait 20 minutes for it to boot up before you can use it?


I'm more worried about it getting locked up several times a day.


I'm worried about that happening to me.
 
2011-07-13 11:33:32 AM  
He just wants to be able to say with a straight face "I spent 3 months on the toilet"


/terlet
 
2011-07-13 11:35:41 AM  
God dammit, I agree with Bill Gates on something.

Compost toilets are a great idea. I do think one that is designed to allow for people to squat are best- they naturally align the body to get the crap out as efficiently and quickly as possible. Sorry guys, less time on your ipods and computers when on the bill.
 
2011-07-13 11:36:18 AM  
I can count on one hand the amount of times some variant of Windows has crashed on me over the years.

Had an Apple IIE that I managed to crash all the time with some modeling software I was using.

Had SillyCon Indys and Octanes core dump on me all the time when using ProE FEM / ProMan etc.

Never used Vista so I can't comment on that.
 
2011-07-13 11:38:54 AM  

Nadie_AZ: I do think one that is designed to allow for people to squat are best


You'd love Asia.
 
2011-07-13 11:39:15 AM  

animisparati: Say what you will, Bill Gates will continue to show by action what a phenomenal human being he is..

To quote:
"It's not who you are inside, but what you DO that defines you."


Uh, like being a convicted criminal in charge of a company convicted of crimes?

If you ever want a laugh at what a scumbag Bill Gates is, just read his deposition testimony about his actions during the antitrust trial. It's actually hilarious.
 
2011-07-13 11:40:24 AM  

I am not a Limivore: Would someone with Photoshop skills please create a toilet with a Microsoft logo and Ctrl-Alt-Del buttons?

/KTHXBYE


What a Windows toilet might look like:
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2011-07-13 11:40:46 AM  

H31N0US: I can count on one hand the amount of times some variant of Windows has crashed on me over the years.


Some kind of multiple-finger deformation where you have 80 fingers on your hands?

You should be a masseuse.
 
2011-07-13 11:42:44 AM  
Oh ha ha ha, too bad I've had this Windows machine running for like 30 days strai
 
2011-07-13 11:43:00 AM  

brap: Just last night I was just watching a documentary about the benefits of composting toilets in sub-Saharan climates. Just mix in a bit of ash and you've got great fertilizer every eight months or so.

Yes, I live a life full of excitement and intrigue.


Had some in-laws who had a composting toilet. They lived in southern Ohio, so not sub-Saharan. Did work pretty well, on the overall. Not too much stink, but you had to put the paper somewhere other than the toilet, which had a liberal dose of the eww factor.

Right now we've got septic, which works pretty well. The leach field, though new, doesn't work quite as well as I'd like (farking Ohio clay), but it's not too problematic at this point.

What I really want, however, is farking toilets that actually flush. I had one that got stopped up with a single turd a few days ago. Not even turd and paper, just the turd. Stupid low-flush toilets that need to be flushed twice (minimally) for every poo. Not saving a bunch of water there.
 
2011-07-13 11:44:03 AM  
For years I have peed in the sink, and flushed w/ washing my hands. 1 quart of water
 
2011-07-13 11:52:09 AM  

ronaprhys: What I really want, however, is farking toilets that actually flush. I had one that got stopped up with a single turd a few days ago. Not even turd and paper, just the turd. Stupid low-flush toilets that need to be flushed twice (minimally) for every poo. Not saving a bunch of water there.


You've got a bad toilet -- buy a better one next time. Your complaint isn't "low-flow." I've got one, dual flush, Costco special (cost me $150) and it's the best thing ever -- I love it more than my wife. It cradles my ass gently and coerces the waste out while it relaxes me. It's phenomenal. It's like a tiny porcelain orgasm.

Check out Costco.
 
2011-07-13 11:59:29 AM  
Apple will release one that will look much nicer, be easier to use, won't break down as easy, rarely if ever clogs but will be 3 times the price. And only 10% of the world will buy it and the other 90% will assume their idiot douchebag hipsters for doing so.
 
2011-07-13 12:00:31 PM  

Tatsuhiko: /Microsoft Windows sucks so much it runs great right after the install.
//Right before you start installing your iTunes


I think I found your problem.


unalivezombie: Frehar: Do you have to wait 20 minutes for it to boot up before you can use it?

I'm more worried about it getting locked up several times a day.


ITT: etch-a-sketch users.

/one day we'll let you play with the grown-up computers
//Win7 box boots from a cold powered-off to the web browser loading in ~ 50 seconds... including POST. (SSD boot drive FTW.)
///and it can run Crysis on high.
 
2011-07-13 12:02:47 PM  

bigdavediode: animisparati: Say what you will, Bill Gates will continue to show by action what a phenomenal human being he is..

To quote:
"It's not who you are inside, but what you DO that defines you."

Uh, like being a convicted criminal in charge of a company convicted of crimes?

If you ever want a laugh at what a scumbag Bill Gates is, just read his deposition testimony about his actions during the antitrust trial. It's actually hilarious.


Yeah, Job's is much cooler, he just steals buys the livers from people ahead of him on the waiting list and gives almost nothing to charity.
 
2011-07-13 12:05:05 PM  

bigdavediode: ronaprhys: What I really want, however, is farking toilets that actually flush. I had one that got stopped up with a single turd a few days ago. Not even turd and paper, just the turd. Stupid low-flush toilets that need to be flushed twice (minimally) for every poo. Not saving a bunch of water there.

You've got a bad toilet -- buy a better one next time. Your complaint isn't "low-flow." I've got one, dual flush, Costco special (cost me $150) and it's the best thing ever -- I love it more than my wife. It cradles my ass gently and coerces the waste out while it relaxes me. It's phenomenal. It's like a tiny porcelain orgasm.

Check out Costco.


Came with the house, no real choice there. I'd have to pay out of pocket to get better. As it is now, I simply poo at work 5 days a week and then try to be more careful at home and pinch more frequently.

And yes, my complaint is low flow. I've pooed in many a different low flow toilet and have always had problems. In fact, most of my friends have had the same issue. As for the cradling issue, that's the seat itself, not the toilet.
 
2011-07-13 12:12:52 PM  
What else would you expect from someone so used to making a living selling repackaged shiat?
 
2011-07-13 12:16:09 PM  
Well, what we're talking about in, erm, privy terms is the very latest in front-wall, fresh-air orifices, combined with a wide-capacity gutter installation below.
 
2011-07-13 12:18:18 PM  
How long before Apple releases the iPoop ?
 
2011-07-13 12:19:27 PM  

TommyymmoT: How long before Apple releases the iPoop ?


iPoop (new window)
 
2011-07-13 12:21:22 PM  

bigdavediode: animisparati: Say what you will, Bill Gates will continue to show by action what a phenomenal human being he is..

To quote:
"It's not who you are inside, but what you DO that defines you."

Uh, like being a convicted criminal in charge of a company convicted of crimes?

If you ever want a laugh at what a scumbag Bill Gates is, just read his deposition testimony about his actions during the antitrust trial. It's actually hilarious.


Meh, at least he's making up for it in his later years. The amount of charitable work he's done far outshines what most of his contemporaries and probably most of us on FARK would give if we had his money.

It's hard to call him a scumbag about things 13 years ago when he's making amends. Like the quote says, it's what you do. When you wanna talk about scumbags at least start with the people who cling to their wealth to the grave.
 
2011-07-13 12:26:45 PM  

jaymanchu: Apple will release one that will look much nicer, be easier to use, won't break down as easy, rarely if ever clogs only accept Apple brand toilet paper, will reject your bowel movements if it detects anything in them Apple doesn't approve of, but and will be 3 times the price. It will lack simple features like flushing and using water, which will be added in a patch 12-18 months after launch. In addition, Apple will sue American Standard and other toilet makers for patent infringement for having a toilet seat that is shaped similarly to the iCrapper. And only 10% of the world will buy it and the other 90% will assume their idiot douchebag hipsters for doing so will insist that it's still a better toilet than all the others out there.


FTFY
 
2011-07-13 12:28:46 PM  

brap: Just last night I was just watching a documentary about the benefits of composting toilets in sub-Saharan climates. Just mix in a bit of ash and you've got great fertilizer every eight months or so.

Yes, I live a life full of excitement and intrigue.


I do not always talk about shiat on the internet... but when I do, I do it on Fark.
 
2011-07-13 12:32:01 PM  
Great idea, lets spend tens of millions of tax payer dollars on the Africans because they are too lazy to dig a latrine. These people aren't even trying anymore. Cutoff the aid and see how quick they start to improve their quality of life.
 
2011-07-13 12:32:20 PM  

animisparati: Say what you will, Bill Gates will continue to show by action what a phenomenal human being he is..


I just wish he would have started being this "phenomenal human being" while he was president of Microsoft. Think of how much he could have improved the world then, how much capital he could have freed up for the good of humanity, etc., etc.
 
2011-07-13 12:33:46 PM  
He points out that, despite all the recent achievements, 40% of the world's population, or some 2.5 billion people, still lives without proper means of flushing away excrement.

Why don't those people just move to where the toilets are?
 
2011-07-13 12:35:15 PM  

Mishno: If you ever want a laugh at what a scumbag Bill Gates is, just read his deposition testimony about his actions during the antitrust trial. It's actually hilarious.

Yeah, Job's is much cooler, he just steals buys the livers from people ahead of him on the waiting list and gives almost nothing to charity.


I don't care if Jobs is a world-class piece of shiat. Bill Gates IS a world class piece of shiat. Did you know that two shiats can exist at the same time? It's not like matter and anti-matter, where if Steve Jobs meets Bill Gates they explode as a shiat and anti-shiat.

What a piece of shiat might look like:

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2011-07-13 12:35:26 PM  

detfrost1: For years I have peed in the sink, and flushed w/ washing my hands. 1 quart of water


Gives a whole new meaning to the word "p-trap".

/ewww...
 
2011-07-13 12:36:59 PM  

Electromax: Meh, at least he's making up for it in his later years. The amount of charitable work he's done far outshines what most of his contemporaries and probably most of us on FARK would give if we had his money.

It's hard to call him a scumbag about things 13 years ago when he's making amends. Like the quote says, it's what you do. When you wanna talk about scumbags at least start with the people who cling to their wealth to the grave.


That's a good point -- in 13 years Casey Anthony and OJ Simpson really won't be that bad. 13 years after John Wayne Gacy killed kids, he was really a nice guy.

Except Gates did more damage to society.
 
2011-07-13 12:38:59 PM  
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2011-07-13 12:39:18 PM  

ronaprhys: And yes, my complaint is low flow. I've pooed in many a different low flow toilet and have always had problems. In fact, most of my friends have had the same issue. As for the cradling issue, that's the seat itself, not the toilet.


Man you are missing out. Your ass is missing out. There aren't any problems with low-flow toilets anymore -- my toilet all but gently cradles the shiats, make them feel warm all over, balances them, aligns their tires and gingerly carries them on their way to their final fulfillment.
 
2011-07-13 12:39:33 PM  

ranold: [www.poopreport.com image 400x207]


Came for the Demolition Man reference. Leaving happy.
 
2011-07-13 12:40:06 PM  

bigdavediode: Electromax: Meh, at least he's making up for it in his later years. The amount of charitable work he's done far outshines what most of his contemporaries and probably most of us on FARK would give if we had his money.

It's hard to call him a scumbag about things 13 years ago when he's making amends. Like the quote says, it's what you do. When you wanna talk about scumbags at least start with the people who cling to their wealth to the grave.

That's a good point -- in 13 years Casey Anthony and OJ Simpson really won't be that bad. 13 years after John Wayne Gacy killed kids, he was really a nice guy.

Except Gates did more damage to society.


Exactly. The stuff he's doing now, while great, is penance.
 
2011-07-13 12:52:28 PM  

Xenomech: bigdavediode: Electromax: Meh, at least he's making up for it in his later years. The amount of charitable work he's done far outshines what most of his contemporaries and probably most of us on FARK would give if we had his money.

It's hard to call him a scumbag about things 13 years ago when he's making amends. Like the quote says, it's what you do. When you wanna talk about scumbags at least start with the people who cling to their wealth to the grave.

That's a good point -- in 13 years Casey Anthony and OJ Simpson really won't be that bad. 13 years after John Wayne Gacy killed kids, he was really a nice guy.

Except Gates did more damage to society.

Exactly. The stuff he's doing now, while great, is penance.


Wow.

I think if you're equating Bill Gates with John Wayne Gacey you need to see a mental
health professional immediately. Or you're Richard Stallman, and if you are I have the
same advice: seek help now.
 
2011-07-13 12:55:49 PM  

bigdavediode: Mishno: If you ever want a laugh at what a scumbag Bill Gates is, just read his deposition testimony about his actions during the antitrust trial. It's actually hilarious.

Yeah, Job's is much cooler, he just steals buys the livers from people ahead of him on the waiting list and gives almost nothing to charity.

I don't care if Jobs is a world-class piece of shiat. Bill Gates IS a world class piece of shiat. Did you know that two shiats can exist at the same time? It's not like matter and anti-matter, where if Steve Jobs meets Bill Gates they explode as a shiat and anti-shiat.

What a piece of shiat might look like:

[larsumlaut.files.wordpress.com image 426x298]


When you devote years of your life and a massive proportion of your personal fortune to developing solutions to problems like: the spread of polio in 3rd world countries, providing educational opportunities to socio-economically disadavantaged children, or donating hundreds of millions of dollars to basic reseach for HIV/AIDS cures - then you can call him whatever you like. Until then - you should shut up, sit down, and learn some lessons from him.
 
2011-07-13 12:59:19 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Wow.

I think if you're equating Bill Gates with John Wayne Gacey you need to see a mental health professional immediately. Or you're Richard Stallman, and if you are I have the same advice: seek help now.


Yeah. What the fark? He managed to screw over some companies who - given half a chance - would have done the same to Microsoft.

Where's the war crime?
 
2011-07-13 12:59:48 PM  
FTFA: He says there are biological bacteria that could turn waste into compost;

Is there some sort of inorganic bacteria of which I'm not aware? :o
 
2011-07-13 1:04:14 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Wow.

I think if you're equating Bill Gates with John Wayne Gacey you need to see a mental
health professional immediately. Or you're Richard Stallman, and if you are I have the
same advice: seek help now.


Well, we can't all be severely short-sighted, I suppose.


/no wonder all those corrupt bankers and corporate executives almost always get off scot-free
 
2011-07-13 1:41:42 PM  

Xenomech: DjangoStonereaver: Wow.

I think if you're equating Bill Gates with John Wayne Gacey you need to see a mental
health professional immediately. Or you're Richard Stallman, and if you are I have the
same advice: seek help now.

Well, we can't all be severely short-sighted, I suppose.


/no wonder all those corrupt bankers and corporate executives almost always get off scot-free


bigdavediode: Electromax: Meh, at least he's making up for it in his later years. The amount of charitable work he's done far outshines what most of his contemporaries and probably most of us on FARK would give if we had his money.

It's hard to call him a scumbag about things 13 years ago when he's making amends. Like the quote says, it's what you do. When you wanna talk about scumbags at least start with the people who cling to their wealth to the grave.

That's a good point -- in 13 years Casey Anthony and OJ Simpson really won't be that bad. 13 years after John Wayne Gacy killed kids, he was really a nice guy.

Except Gates did more damage to society.


Call me when any of those strawmen you mention donate millions to the kinds of research mentioned above and maybe we can talk about how people can change. You're like those folks who namedrop Hitler comparisons when talking about some nobody. If OJ started dedicating his life to helping others, sure I might reevaluate my opinion of him.

Just because people did something bad in the past (and no one is denying that Gates never did wrong), once again the quote talked about "it's what you do". It sounds like you've already made up your mind about Gates regardless of what he might do for the rest of his life because of his past transgressions, but not everyone has.

It's also impossible to argue "damage to society" if you try to weigh potential benefits that MS/Windows brought to society. I know folks like you will likely argue that number is zero but a whole lot of businesses and jobs wouldn't exist without them.

/hmph, i need to start remembering to uncheck this "email about replies" box
//we can all just agree to disagree
 
2011-07-13 2:23:09 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Wow.

I think if you're equating Bill Gates with John Wayne Gacey you need to see a mental
health professional immediately. Or you're Richard Stallman, and if you are I have the
same advice: seek help now.


Really? You think John Wayne Gacy did more overall damage to society? Please explain.

Please include the jobs lost at Stac Electronics in your response.

http://techrights.org/comes-vs-microsoft/text/msg00179.html
 
2011-07-13 2:25:03 PM  

Electromax: Just because people did something bad in the past (and no one is denying that Gates never did wrong), once again the quote talked about "it's what you do". It sounds like you've already made up your mind about Gates regardless of what he might do for the rest of his life because of his past transgressions, but not everyone has.


First off, don't use the term "strawman" since you can't use it correctly. Secondly, whether everyone decides on something is appeal ad populum and worthless. Thirdly, Al Capone was very generous, as are most mob bosses. That does not excuse their behavior, nor the damage they've done.
 
2011-07-13 2:26:29 PM  

PIP_the_TROLL: Yeah. What the fark? He managed to screw over some companies who - given half a chance - would have done the same to Microsoft.

Where's the war crime?


The other companies would have broken the law? The other companies would have stolen code? The other companies would have violated their agreements?

Oh well, okay. I guess we'll never know because all those companies no longer exist.
 
2011-07-13 2:27:34 PM  

bemis23: When you devote years of your life and a massive proportion of your personal fortune to developing solutions to problems like: the spread of polio in 3rd world countries, providing educational opportunities to socio-economically disadavantaged children, or donating hundreds of millions of dollars to basic reseach for HIV/AIDS cures - then you can call him whatever you like. Until then - you should shut up, sit down, and learn some lessons from him.


No thanks, I'd rather be a good person.
 
2011-07-13 2:45:36 PM  

Xenomech: Exactly. The stuff he's doing now, while great, is penance.


I'll take good from wherever it comes from. Andrew Carnegie was a miserable bastard, FAR worse than Gates. Carnegie screwed over PLENTY of other businesses, and made his fortune on the backs of laborers which he mistreated. Later in life he gave most of his fortune away. Whether it was about guilt or legacy building, I really don't care. Whenever good works are done, I will applaud them.
 
2011-07-13 2:50:21 PM  

nekom: Whether it was about guilt or legacy building, I really don't care. Whenever good works are done, I will applaud them.


Applaud good works, but never applaud the man. Always know that he will shove a shiv in your back.
 
2011-07-13 3:07:08 PM  

bigdavediode: DjangoStonereaver: Wow.

I think if you're equating Bill Gates with John Wayne Gacey you need to see a mental
health professional immediately. Or you're Richard Stallman, and if you are I have the
same advice: seek help now.

Really? You think John Wayne Gacy did more overall damage to society? Please explain.

Please include the jobs lost at Stac Electronics in your response.

http://techrights.org/comes-vs-microsoft/text/msg00179.html


I am so dumbfounded by your lack of perspective that I can only say:

It is a pleasure to meet you, Mr. Stallman.
 
2011-07-13 3:09:54 PM  

bigdavediode: Applaud good works, but never applaud the man. Always know that he will shove a shiv in your back.


I guess that's sort of what I mean. I don't applaud the life of Carnegie or Gates as a whole, but I still applaud their good deeds, no matter what they have done in the past or what their intentions for giving are.

I don't know if Gates feels guilty or if he genuinely wants to help. I know that if I had that kind of money, I'd be trying to do some good with it, if only because there's no reason not to. Honestly, my life would be no different if I had one billion dollars than it would if I had 50 billion. There's only so many ivory backscratchers one needs.
 
2011-07-13 3:14:22 PM  
I really don't feel that Bill Gates did "damage to society" in general. The actions of he and his company did personal damage to many individuals, while simultaneously giving jobs and security to many others. He did cheat a few times, gaining illegitimate advantages over other companies, but overall it seems to me that the world is a better place for it, considering that fortune he made is now making better the lives of millions of people.

Hell, even his most ruthless actions still pale in comparison to the evil of current CEOs and lawmakers, and I don't see them inventing new toilets.
 
2011-07-13 3:22:07 PM  

ronaprhys: And yes, my complaint is low flow. I've pooed in many a different low flow toilet and have always had problems. In fact, most of my friends have had the same issue. As for the cradling issue, that's the seat itself, not the toilet.


I'll echo bigdavediode here: Your problem isn't low-flow. Low-flow is what you're blaming the problem on. My house came with two anything but low-flow toilets in the house - and they didn't flush good.

I paid $98 for a 5/5 rated toilet, handicap height, elongated bowl. Installed it myself. It flushes like a champ, despite only using 1.8 gallons or whatever it was per flush. I've never had to flush twice.

If you've had lots of low flow toilets to go in, odds are you're in one of the areas that mandated it early, back when they still rated toilets in the number of ping pong balls it could flush. The new rating system uses bean paste formed into turds instead, much more realistic. Gen1 low flow toilets indeed failed to suck adequately. ;) However, we're up to gen 3 or so - and a 5/5 or 10/10 toilet(depending on what scale the store is using), will flush some heroically huge turds.

Yes, it'll cost you some money and a bit of time(and yuck if you do it yourself), but if I used the 2nd bathroom more I'd be installing one there as well.

Costs: $70-200 for the toilet 'kit', $20 for a new waterline hose, assuming you have the necessary tools already - a set of wrenches, maybe a hacksaw. Instructions are included. I went ahead and sprayed the hardware with a sealant for that extra bit of protection. Took me about an hour to do.

Results: No more clogged toilets. It's up to you as to whether it's worth $120 or so to not have to worry about clogs.
 
2011-07-13 3:27:17 PM  

Firethorn: The new rating system uses bean paste formed into turds instead, much more realistic.


Hahaaahahaha no not really..

Rly?
 
2011-07-13 3:32:46 PM  
It probably isn't such a fantastic idea to discuss toilets with the Germans.

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2011-07-13 3:37:09 PM  

Teufelaffe: I am not a Limivore: Would someone with Photoshop skills please create a toilet with a Microsoft logo and Ctrl-Alt-Del buttons?

/KTHXBYE

What a Windows toilet might look like:
[www.teufelaffe.com image 480x552]


Thanks for your labors. It reminds me of the '3 seashells'.
 
2011-07-13 3:54:07 PM  
FTFA: He says there are biological bacteria that could turn waste into compost;

stevarooni: Is there some sort of inorganic bacteria of which I'm not aware? :o


The first rule of inorganic bacteria is that you do NOT talk about inorganic bacteria.
 
2011-07-13 3:54:59 PM  
I helped build a toilet for a Third-world village that didn't have one, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2011-07-13 4:26:52 PM  
suprised no one remembers this: The iToilet

Link (new window)
 
2011-07-13 4:35:32 PM  

Firethorn: ronaprhys: And yes, my complaint is low flow. I've pooed in many a different low flow toilet and have always had problems. In fact, most of my friends have had the same issue. As for the cradling issue, that's the seat itself, not the toilet.

I'll echo bigdavediode here: Your problem isn't low-flow. Low-flow is what you're blaming the problem on. My house came with two anything but low-flow toilets in the house - and they didn't flush good.

I paid $98 for a 5/5 rated toilet, handicap height, elongated bowl. Installed it myself. It flushes like a champ, despite only using 1.8 gallons or whatever it was per flush. I've never had to flush twice.

If you've had lots of low flow toilets to go in, odds are you're in one of the areas that mandated it early, back when they still rated toilets in the number of ping pong balls it could flush. The new rating system uses bean paste formed into turds instead, much more realistic. Gen1 low flow toilets indeed failed to suck adequately. ;) However, we're up to gen 3 or so - and a 5/5 or 10/10 toilet(depending on what scale the store is using), will flush some heroically huge turds.

Yes, it'll cost you some money and a bit of time(and yuck if you do it yourself), but if I used the 2nd bathroom more I'd be installing one there as well.

Costs: $70-200 for the toilet 'kit', $20 for a new waterline hose, assuming you have the necessary tools already - a set of wrenches, maybe a hacksaw. Instructions are included. I went ahead and sprayed the hardware with a sealant for that extra bit of protection. Took me about an hour to do.

Results: No more clogged toilets. It's up to you as to whether it's worth $120 or so to not have to worry about clogs.


My house is actually very new (less the 5yo), so my problem shouldn't have too much to do with the early gen issues. In terms of the yuck factor, meh - I've rebuilt bathrooms from the ground up, so I'm no stranger to plumbing and installing toilets.

At this point, it's more of a math of the cost of the new toilet vs the cost of water + frustration. Water isn't particularly expensive for me, so that's not a big deal. Since it's septic, that water goes right back into the water table, which isn't a bad thing, either.
 
2011-07-13 5:21:54 PM  

tuxq: Snarfangel: Senordos13: Are we still using the "windows crashes all the time" HURR HURR.

95% of BSOD are from user installed crap. Not Microsofts fault.

That's hard to avoid with toilets.

CCleaner.


I'd just like to add, that the first C in CCleaner stands for Crap.

/great tool, I'm using it occasionally
//I would also add that it's been 5 years that I have seen a BSOD, and it was due to a piss poorly written video driver. Otherwise, my Windows PC's run fluently without stoppage.
 
2011-07-13 5:44:26 PM  

traylor: //I would also add that it's been 5 years that I have seen a BSOD, and it was due to a piss poorly written video driver. Otherwise, my Windows PC's run fluently without stoppage.


Yeah, piss poor written video drivers shouldn't be able to take down an operating system. Microsoft moved video drivers to ring zero to get better performance out of pinball.
 
2011-07-13 6:39:36 PM  

Electromax: and no one is denying that Gates never did wrong


I'll step up and deny it. What was his horrible crime? Bundling IE? OOOH! EEEVIL MAN PROVIDES MORE FEATURES IN A PRODUCT! BOOGAH BOOGAH BOOGAH!

Yeah, and throwing in Minesweeper was unfair competition with the game manufacturers.

There has always been competition for IE, first with Navigator and later with Firefox and Chrome. In fact, Microsoft has pretty much pulled a foot bullet with IE, not getting with the standards program, and trying to set their own standards. That's why it's market share has steadily eroded for years. Developers hate it, and increasingly so do users.

Gates is where he is today because of the Phoenix BIOS, Compaq, and the stupidity of IBM lawyers. Further along, Gates didn't force lotus to spend more money on lawyers than programmers. Gates didn't cause Ashton-Tate to completely screw the pooch on dBase IV. Gates didn't cause WordPerfect for Windows to suck balls. So he got the office suite chunk of the business by of all things plugging along and putting out a better product.

He is not a criminal, or wouldn't be in a world with just laws.
 
2011-07-13 6:50:31 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: Firethorn: The new rating system uses bean paste formed into turds instead, much more realistic.

Hahaaahahaha no not really..

Rly?


Rly. MaP testing.

ronaprhys: My house is actually very new (less the 5yo), so my problem shouldn't have too much to do with the early gen issues. In terms of the yuck factor, meh - I've rebuilt bathrooms from the ground up, so I'm no stranger to plumbing and installing toilets.

Maybe they installed a lousy 1 star toilet? I saw them at the store when I bought my 5 star one. It also depends on whether it's a 1.6 gpf or a 1.28 gpf unit.

At this point, it's more of a math of the cost of the new toilet vs the cost of water + frustration.

I'm also on a well/septic system. Water doesn't cost any more than the electricity needed to pump it. What I really don't like is a toilet failing to flush everything the first time. The old toilets in my house didn't do that, plus were leaking, so I replaced the one I use - I had already repaired one before I discovered the flush issue.

So yes, I spent ~$120 to remove a source of frustration in my life. Not to mention increased comfort. Saving water wasn't really on the list. I was looking for the best flusher for the dollar, with emphasis on 'best flush'.
 
2011-07-13 7:29:29 PM  

Firethorn: MaP testing.


FTA: British medical study...identified 250g as the average maximum fecal size of the male participants in the study


A solid half-pounder average. Rule Britannia!
 
2011-07-13 7:34:28 PM  
 
2011-07-13 7:36:00 PM  

beerbaron: He is not a criminal, or wouldn't be in a world with just laws.


Read his deposition. Once you're done reading it, come back and type that.
 
2011-07-13 10:44:09 PM  
So what is going to happen when enough rapid waste recycling starts to compound prions (like the ones that cause mad cows) to build up in local populations?
 
2011-07-13 10:50:22 PM  

Electromax: It's hard to call him a scumbag about things 13 years ago when he's making amends. Like the quote says, it's what you do. When you wanna talk about scumbags at least start with the people who cling to their wealth to the grave.



Gates seems to mean well on a macro level. Probably wishes the best for mankind. But personally, he's a ruthless competitor who will stop at nothing to get what he wants. Now that he's consistently been the richest man on the planet, he's won. He can get on with that "good will to mankind" angle.

But, if there's a way to ruthlessly crush the competition in the philanthropy department, I expect Gates to pursue it.
 
2011-07-13 10:56:59 PM  
Okay compost is coming out.
 
2011-07-14 1:39:02 AM  

bigdavediode: Read his deposition. Once you're done reading it, come back and type that.


Link?
 
2011-07-14 2:02:06 AM  
Wasn't interesting enough to keep me from reading the 10 best Harry Potter spells instead
 
2011-07-14 12:02:49 PM  
Already done(in parody at least):
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Hello there. I'm James Dyson. Inventor of the Dyson Vacuum....the first vacuum that doesn't use suction.

And now I've applied the same technology to another household necessity, the common toilet. You see, I was visiting a friend one weekend and after taking a particularly difficult Sunday-morning squat on what I thought was a pretty good commode,...

I was amazed by the lousy suction.

I realized there must be something terribly wrong with this design.

I took the toilet apart and discovered the problem.

A small amount of my discard was hopelessly clogged.

So I decided to design something better. And a few thousand prototypes later I had it....the Dyson Toilet.

The first toilet that doesn't use suction.

Just look at how it handles this massive load of pumpkin ravioli.

And those ravioli were quite dense. It's brilliant, isn't it?

The Dyson Toilet....the first toilet that doesn't require plunging.
 
2011-07-14 5:27:09 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: A solid half-pounder average. Rule Britannia!


It's not 'average', it's the 'average maximum'. I'm not sure how they got that, perhaps something like '90% of dumps were 250g or less'.

Note that the USA demands 350g, and some do 500g. I'm not a huge guy, but I lay some huge ones, which is why I went for one of the 5 star 500g units.
 
2011-07-14 5:34:46 PM  

Firethorn: I went for one of the 5 star 500g units.


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2011-07-14 5:42:14 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: Firethorn: I went for one of the 5 star 500g units.

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Yeah, I want that sucker to flush no matter WHO has to use it, because if there's anything worse than cleaning a toilet clogged with your own shiat, it's cleaning a toilet clogged with somebody else's shiat.

Plus, it wasn't really any more money.
 
2011-07-14 5:45:07 PM  

Firethorn: Yeah, I want that sucker to flush no matter WHO has to use it, because if there's anything worse than cleaning a toilet clogged with your own shiat, it's cleaning a toilet clogged with somebody else's shiat.


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