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2011-06-30 2:05:13 PM  
Is everyone in the town blind?
 
2011-06-30 2:11:40 PM  
How in hell did this ever happen?

Pool water is clear. You can see the bottom. I can see leaves at the bottom of my pool, and they couldn't see a body?
 
2011-06-30 2:11:53 PM  
This story gets weirder and weirder. I'm leaning toward she was placed in the pool afterwards. Unless they were trying to make a gravy base and dumped a farkton of flour in the pool there is no way you still couldn't see a dead body at the bottom of the pool.
 
2011-06-30 2:48:58 PM  
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2011-06-30 2:49:23 PM  
Drowning Pool? Let the bodies hit the floor.
 
2011-06-30 2:49:33 PM  
The Department of Conservation announced every one of its deep water pools would remain closed while officials conduct a "full review of each facility's safety and operation procedures over the next 24 to 48 hours." check to see how many more bodies they missed.
 
2011-06-30 2:49:43 PM  
Maybe she was only in a comma, subby,,
 
2011-06-30 2:50:31 PM  
So what is needed is even less regulation. That way they won't have to pay off the inspectors to pass them without actually checking the pool.
 
2011-06-30 2:50:58 PM  
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2011-06-30 2:51:11 PM  
Well, the inspectors did say the water was cloudy.....

But seriously, someone goes down the pool slide holding a kid and is never seen again? In a crowded pool? Time dimension portal?
 
2011-06-30 2:52:03 PM  
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1. Kidnap and kill unsuspecting victim by drowning in a chlorine bath.

2. Leave in bath for three days.

3. Move body to public pool at night.

4. Profit?
 
2011-06-30 2:52:17 PM  
I'd like to state for the record that the only town in MA that people make fun of more than Haverhill is Fall River. They are not very bright out there.
 
2011-06-30 2:54:04 PM  
FTA - In the meantime, police and state officials have closed down all 30 of its deep water swimming pools as officials try to figure out what happened.

So one stupid coont goes and gets her dumb ass killed on a slide and ruins summer for everyone else.
Selfish biatch.
 
2011-06-30 2:54:59 PM  

hestheone:

But seriously, someone goes down the pool slide holding a kid and is never seen again?

Investigators have said that, on Sunday, 36-year-old Joseph went down a slide with a 9-year-old boy and vanished.


I stopped reading before then and had to go back when I saw your post. What about the boy? Is he vanished? Did he not tell anyone the woman that went down with him didn't come back up? Was it his mom? An Aunt? WHAT THE HELL?!?!?! My 9 year old would totally tell someone if I went in and didn't come back out. How did the kid get home? Did they go there with someone?

THIS IS UNPOSSIBLE
 
2011-06-30 2:56:46 PM  

Jake Havechek: I'd like to state for the record that the only town in MA that people make fun of more than Haverhill is Fall River. They are not very bright out there.


Last week the article in the Herald News said the city has one of the worst rates of addiction to heroin in the state. That became very obvious this week.
 
2011-06-30 2:57:35 PM  
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2011-06-30 2:59:24 PM  
FTFA:

"According to officials, the inspectors tested the pool Tuesday, and noted in a report that the water was "cloudy."

I have worked a pool where they used the wrong paint that came off in the water, that once stirred up, you couldn't see the bottom, I seem to remember from lifeguard training that you aren't supposed to let people swim if you can't see the bottom of the pool.
 
2011-06-30 3:00:08 PM  

gambitsgirl: hestheone:

But seriously, someone goes down the pool slide holding a kid and is never seen again?

Investigators have said that, on Sunday, 36-year-old Joseph went down a slide with a 9-year-old boy and vanished.

I stopped reading before then and had to go back when I saw your post. What about the boy? Is he vanished? Did he not tell anyone the woman that went down with him didn't come back up? Was it his mom? An Aunt? WHAT THE HELL?!?!?! My 9 year old would totally tell someone if I went in and didn't come back out. How did the kid get home? Did they go there with someone?

THIS IS UNPOSSIBLE


In the previous link it was noted that the boy tried to tell a life guard, but was ignored.

But yeah, not a whole lot makes sense here.
 
2011-06-30 3:00:57 PM  
Sounds like the cold-open for an episode Bones.
 
2011-06-30 3:01:15 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: FTFA:

"According to officials, the inspectors tested the pool Tuesday, and noted in a report that the water was "cloudy."

I have worked a pool where they used the wrong paint that came off in the water, that once stirred up, you couldn't see the bottom, I seem to remember from lifeguard training that you aren't supposed to let people swim if you can't see the bottom of the pool.


You can't see the bottom when death is swimming in the water.
 
2011-06-30 3:01:20 PM  
Hmm, 12 feet deep and cloudy water, it's starting to become slightly plausible (though still unlikely). Maybe she hit bottom and got held in place by the suction of a drain? If she were wearing light blue it just might be possible no one would see her until the decomp gasses built up enough to dislodge her...
 
2011-06-30 3:02:14 PM  
No, in the police spoke to the boy and he said he tried to tell someone but was ignored. Here's a link to the original story Link (new window)

gambitsgirl: hestheone:

But seriously, someone goes down the pool slide holding a kid and is never seen again?

Investigators have said that, on Sunday, 36-year-old Joseph went down a slide with a 9-year-old boy and vanished.

I stopped reading before then and had to go back when I saw your post. What about the boy? Is he vanished? Did he not tell anyone the woman that went down with him didn't come back up? Was it his mom? An Aunt? WHAT THE HELL?!?!?! My 9 year old would totally tell someone if I went in and didn't come back out. How did the kid get home? Did they go there with someone?

THIS IS UNPOSSIBLE

 
2011-06-30 3:05:50 PM  
This is so obviously murder it's un real to think people would say other wise. Hell the boyfriend's reaction on the news alone should make people realize he snuffed the poor woman and threw her in the pool.
 
2011-06-30 3:05:55 PM  
Inspected like went to the pool and looked in, or inspected like checked a box on a form?
 
2011-06-30 3:06:51 PM  

stvyrayvhn: Here's a link to the original story Link (new window)

"She can't swim. She told me this like two weeks ago. She can't swim. She said, 'You've got to teach me how to swim, because I can't swim,'" another friend said.


Well, there's your problem right there.
 
2011-06-30 3:08:03 PM  
This is why everyone who swims in any public pool should be naked. The lady in this case would almost certainly have still drowned, but it would make a far less boring story for the local news.
 
2011-06-30 3:10:18 PM  
Oh this investigation will be so easy. Here's how it went down:

Hi, I'm here to inspect the pool.

Oh good, shake my $100 bill padded hand.

Good to meet you. Everything looks good here. Mind if I fill this test vial at your sink.

Not at all. Care for a beer.

Sure thing!
 
2011-06-30 3:12:13 PM  
As I said in the other thread about this, the story of her being in the pool for several days while health inspectors, lifeguards, a newspaper photographer, and several hundred patrons failed to notice her is such obvious bullshiat, that the only reason I can think of for the cops to still be sticking to that story is to avoid tipping off whoever's the target of their murder investigation.
 
2011-06-30 3:12:27 PM  

stvyrayvhn: No, in the police spoke to the boy and he said he tried to tell someone but was ignored. Here's a link to the original story Link (new window)


So the lifeguards not only didn't notice a woman "falling" down the water slide and not emerging from the water, but when the kid tried to tell them that someone who couldn't swim was in the water and hadn't come back up, they ignored him rather than doing anything at all.

Hell, that's their only responsibility. That's all they're supposed to do.
 
2011-06-30 3:12:39 PM  

Blues_X: How in hell did this ever happen?

Pool water is clear. You can see the bottom. I can see leaves at the bottom of my pool, and they couldn't see a body?


Spoken like someone who has never seen a pool cloud over. Happens if the pool chemicals are not balanced and sometimes you can't see the bottom particularly in the deep end. I'd have to see the location of the drain, but I'm betting she drowned, her body got sucked into the drain and stayed there until the gasses built up or the pumps were turned off for some reason. Nobody noticed, because it was too cloudy to see the bottom in the deep end and the kid who reported it was ignored.
 
2011-06-30 3:12:41 PM  
Officials did note, that after testing, they are certain that anyone who used the pool Monday or Tuesday does not face any health risks.

Except for a really bad case of the heebie-jeebies.
 
2011-06-30 3:12:57 PM  

dabbletech: Maybe she was only in a comma, subby,,


In a comma? Since when does punctuation enter this equation?
 
2011-06-30 3:14:14 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: FTFA:

"According to officials, the inspectors tested the pool Tuesday, and noted in a report that the water was "cloudy."

I have worked a pool where they used the wrong paint that came off in the water, that once stirred up, you couldn't see the bottom, I seem to remember from lifeguard training that you aren't supposed to let people swim if you can't see the bottom of the pool


It's true. Part of scanning is to check top to bottom, not just side to side. If you can't see the bottom, the pool should be cleared of swimmers, for exactly this reason.

So, like I said in the last thread, I'm skeptical, but after seeing the YMCA video where a kid drowned in full view of 4 or 5 lifeguards and wasn't noticed for 10-12 minutes, I can believe the core of this story too.
 
2011-06-30 3:14:14 PM  
if she would've set there much longer we could have had community long pig soup.
 
2011-06-30 3:15:01 PM  
O. M. G. I spent a ton of time in pools as a kid, so much so that my blonde hair would turn green from chlorine (did not care - was a kid). There was never a pool that I could not see the bottom of. Now, a body might just look like a dark blob at the bottom, but anyone could see, in a properly maintained pool - and especially lifeguards should have immediately seen - something amiss at the bottom of this pool.

I'm reading more of the article - the woman went down a slide with a 9-yr old boy and then vanished? Was this the Ganja-mania Pool, for crying out loud?

As far as there being "no health risks" to those who swam in the pool with the dead body: I would not believe one freakin' thing these people say. They are brain dead.

Spouse says the life guards should be referred to as "death guards."
 
2011-06-30 3:15:20 PM  

stvyrayvhn: No, in the police spoke to the boy and he said he tried to tell someone but was ignored. Here's a link to the original story Link (new window)

gambitsgirl: hestheone:

But seriously, someone goes down the pool slide holding a kid and is never seen again?

Investigators have said that, on Sunday, 36-year-old Joseph went down a slide with a 9-year-old boy and vanished.

I stopped reading before then and had to go back when I saw your post. What about the boy? Is he vanished? Did he not tell anyone the woman that went down with him didn't come back up? Was it his mom? An Aunt? WHAT THE HELL?!?!?! My 9 year old would totally tell someone if I went in and didn't come back out. How did the kid get home? Did they go there with someone?

THIS IS UNPOSSIBLE


Not every kid is the same

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2011-06-30 3:17:16 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Nobody noticed, because it was too cloudy to see the bottom in the deep end and the kid who reported it was ignored


I've got to think, though, that there's a checklist somewhere and that the thing that follows "Someone reports that someone hasn't come up for air for a while" is "Check on that."
 
2011-06-30 3:21:21 PM  
keylock_71, what the hell man. What the hell.
 
2011-06-30 3:21:26 PM  

Jake Havechek: I'd like to state for the record that the only town in MA that people make fun of more than Haverhill is Fall River.


Even more than Brockton?

\left MA ten years ago; don't miss it a bit
 
2011-06-30 3:21:55 PM  

zabadu: dabbletech: Maybe she was only in a comma, subby,,

In a comma? Since when does punctuation enter this equation?


Typically at the end?
 
2011-06-30 3:22:43 PM  

Jake Havechek: I'd like to state for the record that the only town in MA that people make fun of more than Haverhill is Fall River. They are not very bright out there.


Ah blow it out your ass. I'll take Fall River over every single shiatty Boston or Worcester suburb.
 
2011-06-30 3:22:49 PM  
This woman could not swim and still went sailing into the deep end? Did she think the kid was her floatation device? Still, mighty stupid of the lifeguard to not listen to the kid.
 
2011-06-30 3:24:35 PM  
As an 8 year lifeguard, I have to say once someone goes down in the deep and they are lying on the bottom, it much harder than you would think to see them even in clear water Sounds like it was in the part with a water slide which makes it even harder. Once to test our guards we put a dummy down in the deep end and didnt tell the lifguards, the thing sat on the bottom for 3 hours before anyone noticed. this was through a staff training session where they are focused on looking for things in the water. Its scary how easy it is to miss.
 
2011-06-30 3:27:12 PM  
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2011-06-30 3:27:44 PM  
I was a lifeguard for two summers at a similarl pool. I don't see how this story is possible.

1. In order for water to be so murky that you wouldn't see a body in it, it would have to look like pond water - even in the deep end. In which case, nobody would farking swim in it. Literally, the pumps would have to be broken and the pool closed for the water to get that cloudy.

2. As a lifeguard, you have nothing to farking do but watch people in the water. How could someone come down the slide and not come back up without it being noticed?

3. A kid telling me that someone went under and didn't come up would be a nuclear-level event. My entire time as a guard, I never made a single save. It was boring shiat. Something like this would have been the biggest thing to happen to me in two summers of lifeguarding.

4. Two days of people in the deep end, looking around, diving under the water, and none of them saw the body? Even if you magically couldn't see it from the surface, a kid farking around with goggles didn't spot it?
 
2011-06-30 3:32:00 PM  
just looking at the picture (didn't watch video), all 3 lifeguard stands have a view of the slide, and one of them has the area as their scope of observation. the above comments that the pool should be cleared when the bottom is not visible (and pool should be cleared) and that the 9-year old did tell a lifeguard (who did not act) is grounds for criminal negligence on the part of the pool staff. sickening. all the facts aren't available yet, but it is hard to believe she was dead & underwater unnoticed for two days.

/lifeguard
//state laws (in TX) require bottom of pool & drains be visible at all times for pool to remain open
///under above laws, water has to be tested every 2 hours (minimum)
////if she stated she could not swim, she should have had a PFD on regardless if she entered the water voluntarily or involuntarily
 
2011-06-30 3:33:45 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: I was a lifeguard for two summers at a similarl pool. I don't see how this story is possible.

1. In order for water to be so murky that you wouldn't see a body in it, it would have to look like pond water - even in the deep end. In which case, nobody would farking swim in it. Literally, the pumps would have to be broken and the pool closed for the water to get that cloudy.

2. As a lifeguard, you have nothing to farking do but watch people in the water. How could someone come down the slide and not come back up without it being noticed?

3. A kid telling me that someone went under and didn't come up would be a nuclear-level event. My entire time as a guard, I never made a single save. It was boring shiat. Something like this would have been the biggest thing to happen to me in two summers of lifeguarding.

4. Two days of people in the deep end, looking around, diving under the water, and none of them saw the body? Even if you magically couldn't see it from the surface, a kid farking around with goggles didn't spot it?


You sound as if your jealous this didn't happen during your two years...

/Kind of like a fire fighter hoping for a house fire so he has something to do?
 
2011-06-30 3:33:56 PM  

schief2: As I said in the other thread about this, the story of her being in the pool for several days while health inspectors, lifeguards, a newspaper photographer, and several hundred patrons failed to notice her is such obvious bullshiat, that the only reason I can think of for the cops to still be sticking to that story is to avoid tipping off whoever's the target of their murder investigation.


Yeah, how anyone believes this is beyond me.
 
2011-06-30 3:34:43 PM  

big pig peaches: Officials did note, that after testing, they are certain that anyone who used the pool Monday or Tuesday does not face any health risks.

Except for a really bad case of the heebie-jeebies.


Oh, I had those once. My doctor told me to drink a warm glass of salty water, and it cleared right up.
 
2011-06-30 3:36:02 PM  
Nobody has suggested the kid lied about telling the lifeguard. I remember being 9. I lied about all kinds of shiat when I thought I might get in trouble. If I had thought I somehow let (or made) someone die, I would have lied like a motherfather.
 
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