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(Chicago Breaking News)   Gueuze: complex, funky, idiosyncratic, multifaceted, pungent, satisfying, intense, crisp, dry, acidic, refreshing, tart, fruity, oaky, sour, musty, vinous, lemony, strawlike, cidery, grassy, haylike. That's an awful lot of words for beer   (chicagotribune.com) divider line
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2011-06-11 2:41:09 PM  
I'll just stick with gin.
 
2011-06-11 2:41:37 PM  
People drink beer for taste? I thought people drank to forget.
 
2011-06-11 2:43:41 PM  
"With a hint of horse blanket." Horse blanket? I realize this is specialized jargon, and may have an actual meaning to others in their field, but they ought to recognize that to outsiders it sounds as though they are pulling pretentious crap out of their ass. Couldn't they at least specify whether they mean the taste of horse blanket, or the aroma? And either way, I'll pass.
 
2011-06-11 2:44:47 PM  
It's a fantastic style, certainly not for everyone but highly delicious if it's your thing. Some of them can be mouth-peelingly sour/tart. I love that.

Drinking a sour beer right now, in fact, while I brew a beer of my own. Unibroue's Quelque Chose (new window). It's damn good stuff. Not as sour as a pure sour beer, but very tart and quite delicious.
 
2011-06-11 2:45:30 PM  
Sounds more like the description of beer farts, not beer...

/delicious, mouth watering horse blanket
 
2011-06-11 2:46:36 PM  

Repo Man: "With a hint of horse blanket." Horse blanket? I realize this is specialized jargon, and may have an actual meaning to others in their field, but they ought to recognize that to outsiders it sounds as though they are pulling pretentious crap out of their ass.


I've read lots of pretentious beer reviews, and that one is certainly new to me. I have no idea what it's supposed to mean. And I've had that beer!
 
2011-06-11 2:49:26 PM  
I first had Gueuze in Belgium and it was remarkable. VERY different, though you can find some of the similar flavors in Saisons which are more agreeable to most and easier to track down in this country.
 
2011-06-11 2:52:20 PM  
fta fostering what is called spontaneous fermentation

I thought tuition did that
 
2011-06-11 2:52:43 PM  
Lambic beers are...different, that's for sure. I'm not sold on them considering that the fermentation method basically relies on airborne contamination. I'll take cultured beers, thanks.

//if it's truly lambic, the beer should be largely unreproducible, batch to batch. There's no controls over the fermentation.
 
2011-06-11 2:53:51 PM  
That description has nothing on this. (new window)
 
2011-06-11 2:58:53 PM  
Like most beer, it sounds completely retarded.
 
2011-06-11 3:00:15 PM  
Hai gueuze!

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What's going on in here?
 
2011-06-11 3:01:22 PM  

Repo Man: "With a hint of horse blanket." Horse blanket? I realize this is specialized jargon, and may have an actual meaning to others in their field, but they ought to recognize that to outsiders it sounds as though they are pulling pretentious crap out of their ass. Couldn't they at least specify whether they mean the taste of horse blanket, or the aroma? And either way, I'll pass.


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Delicious
 
2011-06-11 3:02:12 PM  

Lexx: //if it's truly lambic, the beer should be largely unreproducible, batch to batch. There's no controls over the fermentation.


They're very often blended from multiple batches of various ages, allowing them to maintain some degree of consistency over time (though they can still vary over the years, of course). That one bottle of lambic may have three, four, five different batches blended into it.
 
2011-06-11 3:02:20 PM  

shoegaze99: Drinking a sour beer right now, in fact, while I brew a beer of my own. Unibroue's Quelque Chose (new window). It's damn good stuff. Not as sour as a pure sour beer, but very tart and quite delicious.


i'm a huge fan of the rodenbach grand cru, and ommegang rouge when they were making it. also, the duchesse de bourgogne is farking fantastic. all more sour the the gueuzes i've had.
 
2011-06-11 3:03:25 PM  

illannoyin: Hai gueuze!

What's going on in here?


"With just a hint of bull's hoof."
 
2011-06-11 3:03:37 PM  

Lexx: Lambic beers are...different, that's for sure. I'm not sold on them considering that the fermentation method basically relies on airborne contamination. I'll take cultured beers, thanks.

//if it's truly lambic, the beer should be largely unreproducible, batch to batch. There's no controls over the fermentation.


It's a mistake to say it's "contamination" or that it is any more unreproducible than any other kind of beer, but it is regionally localized to an extremely high degree. Good bakeries are in the same boat, but you can just stick with Wonder Bread if that's what you prefer. Also, all beer is yeast pee but chosen to draw the line at Lambics.
 
2011-06-11 3:04:04 PM  
They forgot piss...which they all taste like...
 
2011-06-11 3:04:13 PM  
Beer should be
1: Cold
2: Wet
3: Not a pretentious faux beer masquarding as hops soup
 
2011-06-11 3:04:56 PM  

shiate: i'm a huge fan of the rodenbach grand cru,


Oh man is that one ever delicious. Had my wife try it. She generally loves great craft beers, but that one twisted up her face. She hated it. I think it's divine.

I'm a big fan of Ommegang's stuff, but haven't had the Rouge. Have a few of Allagash's sours in my cellar right now waiting for the right occasion.
 
2011-06-11 3:06:10 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: 3: Not a pretentious faux beer masquarding as hops soup


Nice line, but doesn't even remotely apply to these beers. They're about as far as you can get from a huge blast of hops.
 
2011-06-11 3:08:21 PM  
I'm getting a kick out of this because I'm going to the 1st Annual Portland Fruit Beer Fest (new window) today.
 
2011-06-11 3:12:14 PM  
If beer didn't have alcohol, I would never drink it. Same with coffee and caffeine.
 
2011-06-11 3:14:28 PM  
sounds to busy. why cant it taste good and be done?
 
2011-06-11 3:14:55 PM  

Repo Man: If beer didn't have alcohol, I would never drink it. Same with coffee and caffeine.


See, and I'd love for there to be non-alcoholic/low alcohol versions of my favorite beers. Then I could drink more of them without getting trashed. I love the taste of a great beer. A Founder's Breakfast Stout really would be a great breakfast beverage if it wasn't for the booze.
 
2011-06-11 3:17:03 PM  
Yay! Another beer snob vs. white trash thread.

/Loves me a good Mirror Pond Pale.
 
2011-06-11 3:17:08 PM  
just coming back from the Mondial de la Biere in Montreal. Had a bunch of good sour beers.

When they say horse blanket, they pretty much mean exactly that. slightly musty in an otherwise undefinable way. Usually mean aroma. Sometimes with sour beers, they're pretty much like sniffing a sheep barn.
 
2011-06-11 3:18:57 PM  
Well, I suppose if you shag enough sheep, you might learn to enjoy the smell of a sheep barn.
 
2011-06-11 3:20:45 PM  
 
2011-06-11 3:21:04 PM  

shoegaze99: Repo Man: If beer didn't have alcohol, I would never drink it. Same with coffee and caffeine.

See, and I'd love for there to be non-alcoholic/low alcohol versions of my favorite beers. Then I could drink more of them without getting trashed. I love the taste of a great beer. A Founder's Breakfast Stout really would be a great breakfast beverage if it wasn't for the booze.


I'm curious, did you enjoy the taste of your first beer?
 
2011-06-11 3:21:36 PM  
5 for $8 at Hooters in Tampa, Miller High Lite but who cares
 
2011-06-11 3:21:44 PM  

Repo Man: Well, I suppose if you shag enough sheep, you might learn to enjoy the smell of a sheep barn.


You're doing it wrong if you're in a sheep barn. Cliff edges for the win.
 
2011-06-11 3:24:50 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Repo Man: Well, I suppose if you shag enough sheep, you might learn to enjoy the smell of a sheep barn.

You're doing it wrong if you're in a sheep barn. Cliff edges for the win.


That's why they have hay lofts.
 
2011-06-11 3:33:20 PM  

Purity Of Essence: Lexx: Lambic beers are...different, that's for sure. I'm not sold on them considering that the fermentation method basically relies on airborne contamination. I'll take cultured beers, thanks.

//if it's truly lambic, the beer should be largely unreproducible, batch to batch. There's no controls over the fermentation.

It's a mistake to say it's "contamination" or that it is any more unreproducible than any other kind of beer, but it is regionally localized to an extremely high degree. Good bakeries are in the same boat, but you can just stick with Wonder Bread if that's what you prefer. Also, all beer is yeast pee but chosen to draw the line at Lambics.


The issue with controlled vs uncontrolled fermentation is contamination. You need yeast to ferment. With cultured beer you use a single, engineered strain of yeast, in (otherwise) clean conditions. With lambic, you're exposing the beer to...well, anything in the air. "Wild" yeasts aside, other contaminates, fungus, bacteria, etc also take root in the wort during lambic fermentation. That's true lambic fermentation atleast. I somehow suspect modern lambic beers that are distributed in large quantities are really just traditionally fermented beers using highly controlled mixes of lambic yeast cultures that have more or less been scrubbed of contaminates.
 
2011-06-11 3:34:00 PM  
STILL.
NO.

BEER TAG.
 
2011-06-11 3:38:48 PM  

Repo Man: I'm curious, did you enjoy the taste of your first beer?


I'm not sure anybody does. But that's largely irrelevant. Most people don't like their first taste of broccoli or rye bread or mayonnaise or a million other things we grow to love. Hell, my son hated hamburgers for years. Now we go to killer burger joints together.

The fact that some kid of 14 or 17 or whatever thinks his first taste of beer (almost invariably something very cheap and not very good) is bad doesn't mean much. We grow up. Palates change. Our tastes evolve and change as we get older/become adults.

I never drank beer purely to get drunk. I skipped right through the "chug loads of cheap beer" phase in a few months, pretty much from the moment I first had beer with taste. I seek out beer for taste first, alcohol second. I like the alcohol, yeah, but my choices are based on taste.

If you get beer for other reasons, that's cool. I have no problem with that. I think people should drink what they want. I am not a snob about this stuff. Just saying that I really do love the taste of a good beer.
 
2011-06-11 3:41:12 PM  
I'm not a beer snob, but I do drink a lot of craft beers because they're delicious. Those are the beers you generally drink for taste. I must admit, I've tried a lot of these Gueuze beers. Honestly, I had never heard that word before this article, but I know I've tried a bunch of the Lindeman's. I found most of them to be quite disgusting/disappointing, but I will defend the Rasberry Framoise. That stuff is awesome. It just tastes like a strong, non-alcoholic rasberry soda. You don't want to drink it all night, but if you're looking to have something sweet and tart, it hits the spot.

Otherwise I'll stick to my Bavarian Hefs and Belgian Whites.
 
2011-06-11 3:43:17 PM  

shoegaze99: Smeggy Smurf: 3: Not a pretentious faux beer masquarding as hops soup

Nice line, but doesn't even remotely apply to these beers. They're about as far as you can get from a huge blast of hops.


I'll have to get one then. Hops are meant to be an accent, not a sledgehammer
 
2011-06-11 3:43:40 PM  

shoegaze99: Repo Man: I'm curious, did you enjoy the taste of your first beer?

I'm not sure anybody does. But that's largely irrelevant. Most people don't like their first taste of broccoli or rye bread or mayonnaise or a million other things we grow to love. Hell, my son hated hamburgers for years. Now we go to killer burger joints together.

The fact that some kid of 14 or 17 or whatever thinks his first taste of beer (almost invariably something very cheap and not very good) is bad doesn't mean much. We grow up. Palates change. Our tastes evolve and change as we get older/become adults.

I never drank beer purely to get drunk. I skipped right through the "chug loads of cheap beer" phase in a few months, pretty much from the moment I first had beer with taste. I seek out beer for taste first, alcohol second. I like the alcohol, yeah, but my choices are based on taste.

If you get beer for other reasons, that's cool. I have no problem with that. I think people should drink what they want. I am not a snob about this stuff. Just saying that I really do love the taste of a good beer.


I think the number of people who would acquire the taste for a beverage like beer if there wasn't alcohol involved would be vanishingly small. Same with coffee.
 
2011-06-11 3:46:35 PM  
They forgot "baby diapers".

Most gueuze to me tastes like baby diapers.
 
2011-06-11 3:48:23 PM  

Repo Man: I think the number of people who would acquire the taste for a beverage like beer if there wasn't alcohol involved would be vanishingly small. Same with coffee.


I like coffee. I hate the effects of caffeine. I've never been able to handle it (heart stuff). But I really like the taste of coffee. I wish coffee DIDN'T act as an upper. I'd drink more of it.

The beer I'm drinking right now, if it was a soda I'd still be drinking it. Nice, tart cherries, some malty sweetness. It's delicious.
 
2011-06-11 3:49:38 PM  
Beer? Sounds more like yardwork.
 
2011-06-11 3:50:12 PM  

RocketRay: They forgot "baby diapers".

Most gueuze to me tastes like baby diapers.


I'd ask how you know what that tastes like, but I don't want to make you relive such a traumatic incident. For your sake I hope you at least don't mean soiled baby diapers.
 
2011-06-11 3:53:46 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: I'll have to get one then. Hops are meant to be an accent, not a sledgehammer


The beers in this article are very fruity/sour. If that's to your taste, cool, otherwise you may be pouring them down the drain.

Try some Belgian white beers or wheat beers. A hefeweizen is a GREAT summer beer style. Really great aroma like banana and cloves, drinks light and refreshing but with a lot of taste, no in-your-face bitterness. Belgian whites are pretty much defined by Hoegaarden, which is available everywhere. Lots of craft breweries make them, too. They often have some coriander and orange peel in the brew. Again, a nice summer beer.
 
2011-06-11 4:03:30 PM  
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2011-06-11 4:03:36 PM  

Lexx: That's true lambic fermentation atleast.


I'm a brewer, I understand how traditional Lambics are made. In Lambic brewing regions, the "wild" yeast is the dominant culture in the area, and as long as conditions are clean, there is enough of it in the air to allow a colony to quickly develop in the wort before any sort of "contaminant" has chance to take hold.
 
2011-06-11 4:04:34 PM  

Repo Man: I think the number of people who would acquire the taste for a beverage like beer if there wasn't alcohol involved would be vanishingly small. Same with coffee.


Just as a follow-up to this, root beer and ginger ale are both beverages loads of people drink. Both have their roots as alcoholic beverages. (You can still get alcoholic versions of both.) Even though both have migrated towards being non-alcoholic (and some kinds of ginger beer are virtually indistinguishable from non-alcoholic ginger ales), people still love them. Hell, all people KNOW is the non-alcoholic versions.

The fizzy yellow lagers and pilsners most people know as "beer," no, I agree that a lot of folks wouldn't drink them if it wasn't for the booze. But man, beer is a WIDE world with far ranging flavors that are all over the map. It's no stretch to say lots of people love it for the taste,
 
2011-06-11 4:08:25 PM  

Repo Man: I think the number of people who would acquire the taste for a beverage like beer if there wasn't alcohol involved would be vanishingly small. Same with coffee.


Perhaps. I started drinking beer as a kid to get drunk. I only drink beer today for the flavor. A little buzz is pleasant, and I think it improves the experience to a degree, but that's certainly not my motivation for drinking beer. Tasty beer is tasty.
 
2011-06-11 4:10:20 PM  

shoegaze99: Smeggy Smurf: I'll have to get one then. Hops are meant to be an accent, not a sledgehammer

The beers in this article are very fruity/sour. If that's to your taste, cool, otherwise you may be pouring them down the drain.

Try some Belgian white beers or wheat beers. A hefeweizen is a GREAT summer beer style. Really great aroma like banana and cloves, drinks light and refreshing but with a lot of taste, no in-your-face bitterness. Belgian whites are pretty much defined by Hoegaarden, which is available everywhere. Lots of craft breweries make them, too. They often have some coriander and orange peel in the brew. Again, a nice summer beer.


I couldn't agree more. Once I started trying these types of beers, I finally got why people loved beer. I'd recommend for anyone to try Lost Coast Tangerine Wheat (if you like citrus flavors). If you like the more clove/cinnamon flavor: Paulaner Hefeweizen, Franz-eschoner Hefeweizen (I totally butchered that name), Weinstephaner Hefeweizen, Aryinger Hefeweizen, etc. If you like banana and are in the Seattle area, nothing beats the Redhook Wit. They sell it on tap at their brewery in Woodinville and it is some of the most drinkable beer I've ever had in my life. They bottle it in the summer, but it is not very good from the bottle unfortunately :(.
 
2011-06-11 4:12:23 PM  

shoegaze99: Really great aroma like banana and cloves,


Call me crazy, but I never was a fan of the beers that aren't beer flavored. I also am not a fan of fruits in my meat either. If I want a banana or apple, I will eat a banana or apple. When I want a beer or chicken, leave the fruit out of it.

Nothing wrong with it if people like it, it's just not me.
 
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