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2011-05-28 08:48:55 AM  
"Too many people are using religion as a sword to fight those with whom they disagree, instead of as a plowshare to help their fellow neighbors tend the land and form a community,"


now that is enlightenment.

Christianity wasn't supposed to be about forcing others to bend to your will. It's about leading by example and people following because they see the affect on your life and want some of that for themselves.
 
2011-05-28 09:02:57 AM  
Well, he pretty much summed up the reasons why I disdain Christianity. My grandfather is one of those kind of Baptist preachers... he sees nothing wrong with treating people like sh*t if they don't share his quasi-religious political views and his idea of charity is publicly praying for those sinners to repent or be struck down by the "sword of god" (a phrase he frequently incorporates).

The most revolting aspect of his church is the youth group, the "Y-D.A.W.G.S." (Young Disciples Armed With God's Sword). I was hoping that attitude would disappear with the passing of his generation, but damned if they're not trying to create a legacy of ignorance.
 
2011-05-28 09:32:44 AM  
Amen!
 
2011-05-28 10:41:12 AM  
Hobodeluxe: Christianity wasn't supposed to be about forcing others to bend to your will. It's about leading by example and people following because they see the affect on your life and want some of that for themselves.

I wish more people remembered this. Our world would be a lot better off.
 
2011-05-28 11:00:17 AM  
Gandhi said it best:

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
 
2011-05-28 11:02:33 AM  
Ultimately, it comes down to what you do with your faith.

Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, whatever, if you believe, what you do with that faith matters more than the platitudes that you mouth.
 
2011-05-28 11:06:08 AM  

100wmarshall: Well, he pretty much summed up the reasons why I disdain Christianity. My grandfather is one of those kind of Baptist preachers... he sees nothing wrong with treating people like sh*t if they don't share his quasi-religious political views and his idea of charity is publicly praying for those sinners to repent or be struck down by the "sword of god" (a phrase he frequently incorporates).

The most revolting aspect of his church is the youth group, the "Y-D.A.W.G.S." (Young Disciples Armed With God's Sword). I was hoping that attitude would disappear with the passing of his generation, but damned if they're not trying to create a legacy of ignorance.


My mother feels your pain, she's also a Recovering Southern Baptist.
 
2011-05-28 11:07:14 AM  
/Also I seem to agree with DIA... is my argument invalid?
 
2011-05-28 11:22:18 AM  
The bible should be a single page:

Don't be a dick.

Quietly help those who are unable to help themselves.

Love life, and be thankful for what you have.
 
2011-05-28 11:31:11 AM  

markie_farkie: The bible should be a single page:

Don't be a dick.

Quietly help those who are unable to help themselves.

Love life, and be thankful for what you have.


I couldn't agree more, and am quoting to re-post what I believe is the real spirit of Christianity. Also, more than any other denomination, it seems I always read things like this from Methodist ministers.
 
2011-05-28 11:31:49 AM  
Well said, Mr Methodist man. You give me hope that not all Christians have forgotten Christ.

Un-retire, if you would, good sir. Your flock needs you.
 
2011-05-28 11:51:03 AM  
All the kiddie diddling priests didn't (doesn't?... hope not...) exactly help, either.

/no 'b.b.but catholics!'
//they're christians, too
 
2011-05-28 12:08:01 PM  
Let's not forget that there are people out there who agree with a crazy Mormon that if Christians DO try to act like Christians, they're communist and fascist. (new window)
 
2011-05-28 12:16:16 PM  
HERO TAG farkING WHERE!
 
2011-05-28 12:17:13 PM  
Actually, liberal Christians are pretty cool. They're just not very loud so they don't get a lot of press.
 
2011-05-28 12:18:44 PM  
Pitt Warner, aka the first guy to comment, is a dickface and I vote for his public beheading. I hope he hasn't bred.
 
2011-05-28 12:18:47 PM  
Welcome to my world, Pastor.

/the first step is admitting you have a problem
 
2011-05-28 12:18:57 PM  
In the society of the spectacle, only the loudest and craziest gain headlines. That said, Christians scare the fark out of me.
 
2011-05-28 12:19:45 PM  
He's completely right. I say this as a Christian myself, and seriously...I hate a lot of Christians too, for the exact same reason. Its just a big biatchfest half the time, and an exclusive members only club the other half of the time.
What happened to the days of "What would Jesus do?" Well, what he would do is quit farking whining and fighting and go feed some poor people instead.

Anyways, all I ask is that you folk be fair. Don't hate all of us, because we aren't all that stupid. We're usually pretty quiet about it, but we dislike them just as much as you, I promise.
 
2011-05-28 12:19:55 PM  

markie_farkie: The bible should be a single page:

Don't be a dick.

Quietly help those who are unable to help themselves.

Love life, and be thankful for what you have.


Addendum: Ignore that sh*t about shellfish, they're good
 
2011-05-28 12:20:02 PM  

ifarkthereforiam: Actually, liberal Christians are pretty cool. They're just not very loud so they don't get a lot of press.


Unless someone like Adkisson comes in and shoots up the place.
 
2011-05-28 12:20:12 PM  
I don't see how this could possibly be related to politics.

"Shouting louder than the other guys only results in more shouting, which never gets anything done," he said. "The key is to go about your life, as one of the faithful, and to make sure you actually do at least one thing each day that reflects the faith in which you believe."

OK, well that fits.
 
G2V
2011-05-28 12:20:14 PM  
I'm still not really fond of the whole 'kill infants' business from the deity in question, I have to say. And the whole 'well that's old testament' excuse seems to conflict with the 'God never changes' aspect.
 
2011-05-28 12:21:15 PM  
More pastors are needed like him.
 
2011-05-28 12:21:17 PM  
BURN HIM!!!!!!
 
2011-05-28 12:21:52 PM  
He is of course correct, but I think he is deluding himself when he claims that this is anew development and that things were different a few decades ago. This shiat has been going on for most of the last 17 centuries.
 
2011-05-28 12:21:56 PM  
Christianity is a lot like Elvis fans. I really love Elvis Presley, but I hate his fans.
 
2011-05-28 12:22:29 PM  
 
2011-05-28 12:22:53 PM  

kanesays: Christianity is a lot like Elvis fans. I really love Elvis Presley, but I hate his fans.


I think Ghandi said this.
 
2011-05-28 12:22:53 PM  

Hobodeluxe: "Too many people are using religion as a sword to fight those with whom they disagree, instead of as a plowshare to help their fellow neighbors tend the land and form a community,"


now that is enlightenment.

Christianity wasn't supposed to be about forcing others to bend to your will. It's about leading by example and people following because they see the affect on your life and want some of that for themselves.

hahahaha... EVERY religion is about forcing others. That's the whole farking idea behind religion.
 
2011-05-28 12:23:22 PM  
He's only now just realizing this? Religion has ALWAYS been this way.

All of them.

And it will never be any different. It's a tool to be used by those in power like any other. The sooner it is eradicated the better the world will be.
 
2011-05-28 12:24:45 PM  

skizmo: Hobodeluxe: "Too many people are using religion as a sword to fight those with whom they disagree, instead of as a plowshare to help their fellow neighbors tend the land and form a community,"


now that is enlightenment.

Christianity wasn't supposed to be about forcing others to bend to your will. It's about leading by example and people following because they see the affect on your life and want some of that for themselves.
hahahaha... EVERY religion is about forcing others. That's the whole farking idea behind religion.


I think some medieval Popes would argue this point.
 
2011-05-28 12:25:21 PM  
I posted the exact same sentiment in another thread earlier. Where's my cookie? And by cookie I mean piece of the true cross.

Actually, this has been a problem since Christ assembled his ministry. It's just with mass media and America's strange mix of religion and politics, things are much worse here.

Besides, human institutions--anything with humans involved--always have problems with the worst of humanity popping up.
 
2011-05-28 12:25:24 PM  
I'd say it's more that society has adopted so many of Christian's values for their obvious practicality, that the religious are only left with goofy attire and being opponents of populist policy to distinguish them from the rest of society.

I know all of my Christian friends cannot come up with a single issue with Humanist dogma. Only the more extreme fringes of Christianity seem to be unable to coalesce with Humanists on gay rights or abortion grounds.

If that's the only discernible difference between the two groups, it's not surprising that that's how they're defined.
 
2011-05-28 12:25:49 PM  
"Too many people are using religion as a sword to fight those with whom they disagree, instead of as a plowshare to help their fellow neighbors tend the land and form a community,"

Bet he's getting hate mail and death threats as we speak.
 
2011-05-28 12:26:14 PM  
When has Christendom ever been used as anything other than a violent political tool?
 
2011-05-28 12:26:45 PM  

Infernalist: Well said, Mr Methodist man. You give me hope that not all Christians have forgotten Christ.

Un-retire, if you would, good sir. Your flock needs you.


While I can't agree with many tenets set down in the Bible and would never go back to Christianity, the world needs more people like this guy, and not just the Christians.
 
2011-05-28 12:27:00 PM  

raerae1980: skizmo: Hobodeluxe: "Too many people are using religion as a sword to fight those with whom they disagree, instead of as a plowshare to help their fellow neighbors tend the land and form a community,"


now that is enlightenment.

Christianity wasn't supposed to be about forcing others to bend to your will. It's about leading by example and people following because they see the affect on your life and want some of that for themselves.
hahahaha... EVERY religion is about forcing others. That's the whole farking idea behind religion.

I think some medieval Popes would argue against this point.


ftfm
 
2011-05-28 12:27:04 PM  
I find that the hard core Christians only really pay attention to the Old Testament. The fire and brimstone everyone but me goes to Hell part and completely ignore the New Testament with the Jesus guy.

Yet the Jews, who only follow the Old Testament, tend to leave everyone else alone and don't preach to anyone.
 
2011-05-28 12:27:58 PM  

skizmo: Hobodeluxe: "Too many people are using religion as a sword to fight those with whom they disagree, instead of as a plowshare to help their fellow neighbors tend the land and form a community,"


now that is enlightenment.

Christianity wasn't supposed to be about forcing others to bend to your will. It's about leading by example and people following because they see the affect on your life and want some of that for themselves.
hahahaha... EVERY religion is about forcing others. That's the whole farking idea behind religion.



I think the first few thousands of years of religion were more about figuring out how to cope with inevitability. It was later on that rulers found it an easy place to make promises or threats where they could never be held accountable.
 
2011-05-28 12:28:00 PM  
1 - Thou shalt always be honest and faithful, especially to the provider of thy nookie
2 - Thou shalt try REAL HARD not to kill anyone (unless they pray to a different invisible man from the one you pray to)


/Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself
 
2011-05-28 12:28:06 PM  
If anything, this "hippie Jesus" bit of revisionist history is the new and aberrant phenomenon, not fundamentalism.
 
2011-05-28 12:29:19 PM  

InfamousBLT: Anyways, all I ask is that you folk be fair. Don't hate all of us, because we aren't all that stupid. We're usually pretty quiet about it, but we dislike them just as much as you, I promise.


And this is your undoing. When the WBC gets counter-protested, it's usually a gay rights group or heck, nerds from Comicon. You don't usually hear about church groups that counter-protest, even though there are several who do. Why is that? I think, in part, it's because the non-insane Christians fear that to use their voice to denounce the idiots is to become like them, and that's just not true.

Practice your faith quietly, but raise your voice against the assholes in your flock, and maybe you'll undo some of the damage that's been done to your religion's reputation.
 
2011-05-28 12:29:39 PM  
Well I'll be... One of them has actually read the bible and gets it. He should be the leader of all of the Christians.
 
2011-05-28 12:29:41 PM  

skizmo: Hobodeluxe: "Too many people are using religion as a sword to fight those with whom they disagree, instead of as a plowshare to help their fellow neighbors tend the land and form a community,"


now that is enlightenment.

Christianity wasn't supposed to be about forcing others to bend to your will. It's about leading by example and people following because they see the affect on your life and want some of that for themselves.
hahahaha... EVERY religion is about forcing others. That's the whole farking idea behind religion.


I don't see Christianity as a religion actually. To me it's more of a way of life or a philosophy. I don't think Christ himself would approve of the dogma of this organized religion called "Christianity"
His philosophy was "see how I live and treat others?" "Now follow my example and you will be rewarded, for this is the only path to true inner peace"
 
2011-05-28 12:29:50 PM  
Jesus Hercules sacrificed himself. He in now in Heaven on Mount Olympus with his father.

/see how easy that is?
//put that holy book down and walk away
 
2011-05-28 12:30:06 PM  

SilentStrider: Hobodeluxe: Christianity wasn't supposed to be about forcing others to bend to your will. It's about leading by example and people following because they see the affect on your life and want some of that for themselves.

I wish more people remembered this. Our world would be a lot better off.


It's why I don't attend church anymore.
 
2011-05-28 12:30:12 PM  

jaytkay: "Too many people are using religion as a sword to fight those with whom they disagree, instead of as a plowshare to help their fellow neighbors tend the land and form a community,"

Bet he's getting hate mail and death threats as we speak.


Paging Freep Impact, Freep Impact, please report to this thread.
 
2011-05-28 12:30:32 PM  
Subject line hurt my head, subby.
 
2011-05-28 12:30:46 PM  

"Too many people are using religion as a sword to fight those with whom they disagree, instead of as a plowshare to help their fellow neighbors tend the land and form a community


That's pretty much what it always was; both of those. Form a nice, gentrified community by plowing over those with whom you have (or create) an arbitrary sense of mutual disagreement.
 
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