I drunk what: because it is actually worth discussing?
I drunk what: does mamoru concur with your analysis?
cbackous: are you at all capable of making an original thought
cbackous: or do you just quote random people
cbackous: to try and appear educated
I drunk what: how else ought we to respond to worthless trolls?
guestguy: I drunk what: how else ought we to respond to worthless trolls?And what "worthless troll" was he responding with his initial post in this thread?
I drunk what: going for the easy green trollmitter?
xkillyourfacex: The rest of us don't have a hard time telling the difference between, say, an animal with wings and one without.
I drunk what: so then there is no possibility that micro vs. macro can include the transition between other structures such as Genus, Family, Order, Class, Phylum, etc..?
s2s2s2: Let me know when we observe an ape giving birth to a human
Infinite Monkey: I have explained to you that your concept of it is wrong, that it does not not present a single problem for evolutionary theory because of the immense time scale of the "explosion" and the increasing availability of atmospheric oxygen to make new biological strategies possible.
Infinite Monkey: Or, you know, you could actually just go with the actual linked article, and talk about elephant tusks and lizard placentas.
Infinite Monkey: Can you actually articulate what aspect of the Cambrian explosion presents a problem for evolutionary theory?
Infinite Monkey: and just tell people to watch a video
Infinite Monkey: I drunk what: does mamoru concur with your analysis?Let me guess: he's the latest to get fed up with you and put you on ignore, so you're again trying to get people to argue by proxy because you can't deal with the drop in attention?
untaken_name: No, it isn't. Microevolution is evolution within a species. Macroevolution is transition between species. Learn some science.
Firefly4F4: Why don't you learn what the theory of evolution by natural selection actually says rather than trying to include something it doesn't?
ryant123: Because Jesus and magic, that's why
DarwiOdrade: if the deniers don't build strawmen, they have no argument
abb3w: Those categories simply indicate what depth of further sub-speciation divisions have developed. EG: the order carivora results from one species that was successful enough to subdivide in several further species, which in turn subdivided several more times.
abb3w: Infinite Monkey: I have explained to you that your concept of it is wrong, that it does not not present a single problem for evolutionary theory because of the immense time scale of the "explosion" and the increasing availability of atmospheric oxygen to make new biological strategies possible.Not to mention the development of proto-skeletons (leading to increased rates of fossilization) and directed motility (leading to increased allopatric speciation by access to new environments)
I drunk what: do you need me to translate-articulate this into words for you? it seems pretty self explanatory
I drunk what: DarwiOdrade: if the deniers don't build strawmen, they have no argumentindeed
DarwiOdrade: Yep - I'm talking about you, for one.
Infinite Monkey: Let me guess: he's the latest to get fed up with you and put you on ignore, so you're again trying to get people to argue by proxy because you can't deal with the drop in attention?
I drunk what: DarwiOdrade: Yep - I'm talking about you, for one.precisely what is "it" that i am denying?
mamoru: OMG STOP THE PRESSES, Science is claiming that it doesn't yet have a model that best fits the available evidence!! (or rather that multiple models do fit the available evidence and it will take more research and observation to rule out the competing models). Ric Romero will be reporting on this strange new phenomenon at 11.
Firefly4F4: untaken_name: No, it isn't. Microevolution is evolution within a species. Macroevolution is transition between species. Learn some science.Eukaryotes are always eukaryotes. This includes vertebrates.Vertebrates are always vertebrates. This includes tetrapods.Tetrapods are always tetrapods. This includes mammals.Mammals are always mammals. This includes primates.Primates are always primates. This includes apes.Apes are always apes. This includes humans.Why don't you learn what the theory of evolution by natural selection actually says rather than trying to include something it doesn't?
DarwiOdrade: Looks like you're saying that science can't explain the Cambrian explosion.
DarwiOdrade: I'm not saying that current theories are complete, but science is filling in missing pieces all the time.
mamoru: It's so cute when people on my ignore list try to engage me in conversation
"mamoru": "But" "you've" "essentially" "voiced" "whatever" "needs" "to" "be" "said" "about" the cambrian "explosion". The only "controversy" "is" "which" "model" "of" "what" "happened" "is" "more" "accurate": "sudden" "explosion" ("of" "say" "10My"), "slow" "burn" "explosion" ("of" "say" "50-100My"), "or" "no" "explosion" ("more" "and" "more" "genetic" "evidence" "is" "suggesting" "the" "possibility" "that" "the" "divisions" "that" "we" "now" "see" "all" "major" "metazoan" "phyla" "happened" "long" "before", "despite" "the" "lack" "of" "fossils" "earlier" "than" "the" "ediacarian" "fauna"). "But" "in" "no" "way" "is" "any" "of" "the" "particular" "models" "a" "challenge" "to" "biological" "evolution".
mamoru: But in no way is any of the particular models a challenge to biological evolution.
I drunk what: not half as cute as worthless trolls who think that people on their ignore list who are using them as an example of the weapons grade stupidity that is not worth the time and effort are trying to engage them in conversationfor those of you keeping score at home this is a classic example of when the idiot brigade cannot discern the difference of when someone is making an example out of them and when someone falls for their idiotic trolls and "attempts to engage them in conversation"tl;drhe wouldn't be able to figure out that i'm not conversing with him if the entire fark collective tried to explain it to him, complete with small words and pictures/he's so cute//lulz :D:D:D:D:D:D
I drunk what: wow, well he's got me there, can't argue with thatlulz
I drunk what: ok IM, here's your chance to lap trolloru in the IQ race, is that what i was saying?again use the pic for a hint:is the title of the graph "BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION vs. THE FOSSIL EVIDENCE" ?
I drunk what: however one day, someone suggests that they think that these core phyla can produce other kinds of phyla which would be called "macro-adaptation" however he is unable to find any evidence to support this modification to the theory
mamoru: despite the lack of fossils
morani: more and more genetic evidence is suggesting the possibility that the divisions that we now see all major metazoan phyla happened long before
guestguy: This guy really got under your skin, huh?
xkillyourfacex: TFA one big div/zero. Natural selection isn't evolution.abb3w: That said, none of TFA's examples look to involve a speciation event. Contrariwise, it does look like the demarcation between Polar and Grizzly bears wasn't a full species-level divide, but merely a temporary allopatric barrier.Whatever you say. The rest of us don't have a hard time telling the difference between, say, an animal with wings and one without.None of the examples in the article involve organisms acquiring new attributes from genetic changes.The elephants without tusks were already around, there already were moths of that color, etc etc.The animals are not evolving before our very eyes.
I drunk what: who IM?
guestguy: Do you have a link to the thread where he snapped the needle off your hate gauge? I'm intrigued
guestguy: I drunk what: who IM?
I drunk what: furthermore there are some who believe that adaptation isn't sufficient to explain all the flavors of life
I drunk what: rates of fossilization was addressed in the vid
I drunk what: Oh, you mean trolloru? you want a link to the thread where he convinced me that he is nothing but a troll?
I drunk what: btw the only thing i hate is stupidity
Bevets: NOTES FROM THE ANTI-THEIST PLAYBOOK
guestguy: are you saying that you became convinced he was nothing but a troll when you discovered that he had placed you on ignore?
abb3w: I drunk what: however one day, someone suggests that they think that these core phyla can produce other kinds of phyla which would be called "macro-adaptation" however he is unable to find any evidence to support this modification to the theoryThen you're not understanding what evolution says; to wit, that these core phyla are in turn subdivisions from even earlier groups of organisms, which make for "kingdoms".I drunk what: furthermore there are some who believe that adaptation isn't sufficient to explain all the flavors of lifeLargely, those who aren't paying attention to the evidence of common descent even at the phylum level.
abb3w: Rates, or frequency?
abb3w: Either way, you don't have enough credibility left with me to get me to spend the time watching a vid of your suggestion
abb3w: Feel free to find someone else that I still take seriously who's willing to co-endorse its worth
guestguy: What are you, a masochist or something?
I drunk what: look dude it would take too long to explain the full back story
I drunk what: but you'll just have to trust me on this, i don't lie
abb3w: See back at This response reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of how the theory of evolution works.
guestguy: How could I not implicitly trust some anonymous stranger on an internet message board, particularly if he/she tells me they don't lie?
Bevets: 9) Buffalo
Bevets: cbackous:are you at all capable of making an original thought, or do you just quote random people to try and appear educated?I drunk what:are you at all capable of asking an original question?mamoru:this is a reminder that biological evolution is defined as genetic change in a population over time (more usually and specifically, the change in allele frequencies over time); while the appearance of new features and new species can be results of these changes, such results are not required in order for evolution occur. All that is required is genetic change over time, whether positive, negative, or neutralBevets:Evolution is a kind of funny word -- it depends on how one defines it. If it means simply change over time even the most rock ribbed fundamentalist knows that the history of the earth has changed -- that there's been change over time. If you define 'evolution' precisely though to mean 'the common descent of all life on earth from a single ancestor via undirected mutation and natural selection', that's textbook definition of neo Darwinism, biologists of the first rank have real questions. ~ Paul NelsonI drunk what:quick, throw up a smokescreen and talk how stuff changes and pretend like that is what the debate is aboutNOTES FROM THE ATHEIST PLAYBOOK:1) If time is short skip to step 112) Assume 'Science' and 'Atheism' are interchangeable (but ONLY use the first word).3) Assume 'Microevolution' and 'Macroevolution' are interchangeable (which means drop the 'micro' and the 'macro').4) When asked for clarification, ignore the request.5) If step 4 does not work, ignore the request.6) If step 5 does not work, return to step 47) Deny it8) Pretend to miss the point9) Buffalo10) Seem sincere11) Ad Hominem, Smear, Poison the Well12) Smear, Ad Hominem, Poison the Well13) Poison the Well, Ad Hominem (and smear)
Bevets: ~ Stephen Jay Gould
Bevets: ~ Paul Nelson
Bevets: If you define 'evolution' precisely though to mean 'the common descent of all life on earth from a single ancestor.
mgshamster: It's like the old adage, "Never trust a man who says 'trust me.
omeganuepsilon: He's constantly posting multiple times in a row, reads poorly, and comes out of far left field.He makes bevets look sane, and the Rapture people
guestguy: Fair enough, though I struggle to see how any backstory could justify someone putting you on ignore as the epiphanous troll moment.
AfroSpatula: i drank what
AfroSpatula: You seem revolutionary in your field of study.
AfroSpatula: I couldn't watch the video you posted
AfroSpatula: (my computer doesn't have audio and I fear I wouldn't glean much)
AfroSpatula: as you've expressed consternation over reciting your perfectly salient points.
AfroSpatula: I'm curious about this whole field, this iconoclastic approach
AfroSpatula: Mind you, I looked at the links supplied by your opponent(?) mamoru
AfroSpatula: and I'm grateful that he showed interest in sharing things he thought interesting.
AfroSpatula: I was hoping you'd express a similar show of curiosity
I drunk what: oh abbey, this is why i don't like to pretend to care about all these details :( because then you'll just make me write a dissertation on it and overhaul the entire field of biology as we know it
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