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2011-05-16 9:58:00 PM  
how exacly is he wrong again?
 
2011-05-16 10:01:41 PM  
You're not wrong, Bill, you're just an asshole.
 
2011-05-16 10:01:46 PM  

SilentStrider: how exacly is he wrong again?


He's a meanie poopy head who uses bad words about us. That's how.
 
2011-05-16 10:03:42 PM  
Well, he is correct.
 
2011-05-16 10:05:35 PM  

bighasbeen: SilentStrider: how exacly is he wrong again?

He's a meanie poopy head who uses bad words about us. That's how.


No, he is a soulless, glamour seeking AW whose views change depending on the opportunity.

I think he was funny for a few minutes in the early nineties, but I could be wrong.
 
2011-05-16 10:06:03 PM  
I'd say (insert some large yet totally random percentage because I don't really know, I just assume and therefore should include a number high enough to make my point even though it very well could be wrong) of Christians are not really Christians. Hell if you're rich or even just well off, you're not a Christian.

/Let's say, 90%
 
2011-05-16 10:07:29 PM  

SilentStrider: how exacly is he wrong again?


I could use that answer too.

I don't recall Jesus celebrating deaths. And he comes across as a bit of a pacifist.
 
2011-05-16 10:09:09 PM  
shut up Mayer, you cock.

Just pay off Letterman and shut the hell up you doooshbag.
 
2011-05-16 10:09:33 PM  
Monthly Maher Hate™ thread is a little early.
 
2011-05-16 10:11:39 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: No, he is a soulless, glamour seeking AW whose views change depending on the opportunity.


I know he wasn't as much in favor of social welfare programs back in the day, but what other views of his have radically changed?

And isn't it a vastly different world now than 15 years ago?
 
2011-05-16 10:15:44 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Monthly Maher Hate™ thread is a little early.


Every day is good for a roast. Just think if we could use "the Brazen Bull" to motivate people.

We're cookin now.
 
2011-05-16 10:15:47 PM  
Not a lot of guidance in the bible.

"Thou shalt not be pleased about the death of a murdering jackhole."
 
2011-05-16 10:15:48 PM  

savage henry: SilentStrider: how exacly is he wrong again?

I could use that answer too.


Because sniveling about hypocrisy in a group you not only don't belong to, but actually made a whole movie just to say how stupid you think they are, is the sort of thing asshats like Maher do when they have nothing to say but can't stop saying it anyway.

Pick any large group, Bill, and therein will be hypocrites. Christians, tall people, people who wear glasses, dog owners, Muslims.

What's your point?
 
2011-05-16 10:17:32 PM  
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2011-05-16 10:18:33 PM  

bighasbeen: IamKaiserSoze!!!: No, he is a soulless, glamour seeking AW whose views change depending on the opportunity.

I know he wasn't as much in favor of social welfare programs back in the day, but what other views of his have radically changed?

And isn't it a vastly different world now than 15 years ago?


Dammit bighasbeen, don't you get it?
A person's view on issues are not allowed to change, especially over the course of 15 years and especially if they are presented with new information.
 
2011-05-16 10:19:18 PM  
"But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."

Presumably Jesus would not resist Bin Laden. Dieing is no biggie, cause you're rewarded forever in heaven. And killing, even if you get away with it in life, still earns you eternal punishment.

That's what Christian's should believe.

Yeah.
 
2011-05-16 10:21:18 PM  
They only celebrate when Babylonian infants are dashed against rocks or entire populations are eradicated.
 
2011-05-16 10:21:36 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: bighasbeen: IamKaiserSoze!!!: No, he is a soulless, glamour seeking AW whose views change depending on the opportunity.

I know he wasn't as much in favor of social welfare programs back in the day, but what other views of his have radically changed?

And isn't it a vastly different world now than 15 years ago?

Dammit bighasbeen, don't you get it?
A person's view on issues are not allowed to change, especially over the course of 15 years and especially if they are presented with new information.


Well, shiat. Does this mean I have to get a step haircut and go back to thinking 311 is the greatest band ever? fark, that sucks.
 
2011-05-16 10:21:44 PM  
Bill Maher lecturing anyone on how to be a good Christian makes about as much sense as Paris Hilton giving a lecture on self respect.
 
2011-05-16 10:24:15 PM  

savage henry: I don't recall Jesus celebrating deaths. And he comes across as a bit of a pacifist.


Jesus: "It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin." - Luke 17:2
 
2011-05-16 10:25:02 PM  

Nabb1: Bill Maher lecturing anyone on how to be a good Christian makes about as much sense as Paris Hilton giving a lecture on self respect.


he's just quoting Jesus.
 
2011-05-16 10:26:08 PM  

bighasbeen: Britney Spear's Speculum: bighasbeen: IamKaiserSoze!!!: No, he is a soulless, glamour seeking AW whose views change depending on the opportunity.

I know he wasn't as much in favor of social welfare programs back in the day, but what other views of his have radically changed?

And isn't it a vastly different world now than 15 years ago?

Dammit bighasbeen, don't you get it?
A person's view on issues are not allowed to change, especially over the course of 15 years and especially if they are presented with new information.

Well, shiat. Does this mean I have to get a step haircut and go back to thinking 311 is the greatest band ever? fark, that sucks.


We've changed a lot and then some some
 
2011-05-16 10:26:19 PM  

DarthBrooks: savage henry: I don't recall Jesus celebrating deaths. And he comes across as a bit of a pacifist.

Jesus: "It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin." - Luke 17:2


Luke 17:3 yay the bastard is dead let's party!! USA! USA!!
 
2011-05-16 10:27:04 PM  

TheOnion: "But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."

Presumably Jesus would not resist Bin Laden. Dieing is no biggie, cause you're rewarded forever in heaven. And killing, even if you get away with it in life, still earns you eternal punishment.

That's what Christian's should believe.

Yeah.


First off, the "turn the other cheek" business is a matter of ignoring an insult, not necessarily a violent attack.

Second, while pacifism is a perfectly legitimate and honorable personal philosophy, it is sheer cowardice to stand by and do nothing when innocent or weak people are hurt by others. And pacifism for a government would be beyond stupid.

Remember when Jesus made a whip and destroyed the money-changers' tables and whipped them out of the temple? The priesthood was ripping off its own flock by insisting on tithes in certain currencies and letting the money changers charge huge conversion fees. Jesus did not get all pacifistic about that little bit of abuse.

Or do a search in the New Testament for verses talking about governments wielding "the power of the sword."

Bottom line: Maher doesn't know what he's talking about. No, it's not cool to celebrate bin Laden's death. But what's wrong with being glad that a vicious murderer has been brought to justice and can no longer hurt anyone?
 
2011-05-16 10:27:44 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Nabb1: Bill Maher lecturing anyone on how to be a good Christian makes about as much sense as Paris Hilton giving a lecture on self respect.

he's just quoting Jesus.


On the subject of Osama bin Laden? I really need to read that book more often.
 
2011-05-16 10:29:49 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: bighasbeen: Britney Spear's Speculum: bighasbeen: IamKaiserSoze!!!: No, he is a soulless, glamour seeking AW whose views change depending on the opportunity.

I know he wasn't as much in favor of social welfare programs back in the day, but what other views of his have radically changed?

And isn't it a vastly different world now than 15 years ago?

Dammit bighasbeen, don't you get it?
A person's view on issues are not allowed to change, especially over the course of 15 years and especially if they are presented with new information.

Well, shiat. Does this mean I have to get a step haircut and go back to thinking 311 is the greatest band ever? fark, that sucks.

We've changed a lot and then some some


I was all mixed up. But I now trust my instincts and have let go of regret.
 
2011-05-16 10:41:48 PM  

Sensei Can You See: Bottom line: Maher doesn't know what he's talking about. No, it's not cool to celebrate bin Laden's death. But what's wrong with being glad that a vicious murderer has been brought to justice and can no longer hurt anyone?


If you really love your enemy as yourself, how could you take pleasure in their death?
 
2011-05-16 10:46:06 PM  

Sensei Can You See: savage henry: SilentStrider: how exacly is he wrong again?

I could use that answer too.

Because sniveling about hypocrisy in a group you not only don't belong to, but actually made a whole movie just to say how stupid you think they are, is the sort of thing asshats like Maher do when they have nothing to say but can't stop saying it anyway.

Pick any large group, Bill, and therein will be hypocrites. Christians, tall people, people who wear glasses, dog owners, Muslims.

What's your point?


No one on Fark would ever point out hypocrisy within a group they don't belong to, certainly not in the politics tab.
 
2011-05-16 10:48:28 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Sensei Can You See: Bottom line: Maher doesn't know what he's talking about. No, it's not cool to celebrate bin Laden's death. But what's wrong with being glad that a vicious murderer has been brought to justice and can no longer hurt anyone?

If you really love your enemy as yourself, how could you take pleasure in their death?


I see a difference between being glad a bad guy can't hurt anyone and actually taking pleasure in his death.

As to the other point, if I ever get so deranged that I think I'd be doing God's will by murdering 3,500 people, would hope someone would put me down.
 
2011-05-16 10:53:31 PM  

kronicfeld: No one on Fark would ever point out hypocrisy within a group they don't belong to, certainly not in the politics tab.


Meh. Okay, so I'm fairly conservative. I don't get in political arguments very often but I prefer respectfully pointing out why I think X position or Y philosophy is wrong -- as opposed to assuming moral deficiency, inbreeding and stupidity in anyone I disagree with.

Maher released a movie mocking religious folks, saying they're all either deluded or hucksters making a quick buck.

Now he wants to turn around and quibble about whether people who call themselves Christians are doing it right?

I don't believe the earth is flat. I do believe anyone who insists it is has either been fooled or is remaining willfully ignorant in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Unlike Maher, however, I'm not going to invest a lot of time poking fun at flat earthers. And I'm especially not going to (erroneously!) accuse them of not being "good" flat Earthers.
 
2011-05-16 10:55:39 PM  

GaryPDX: shut up Mayer, you cock.

Just pay off Letterman and shut the hell up you doooshbag.


Oscar Mayer?
 
2011-05-16 10:56:38 PM  

Nabb1: Hobodeluxe: Nabb1: Bill Maher lecturing anyone on how to be a good Christian makes about as much sense as Paris Hilton giving a lecture on self respect.

he's just quoting Jesus.

On the subject of Osama bin Laden? I really need to read that book more often.


were there not people as evil as bin laden 2,000 years ago that jesus' teachings would have applied to that would be easy to apply to equal or lesser evil men today? isn't that the point?

you're a lawyer, like me. don't we spend our entire careers applying doctrines from other fact patterns to similar, but not the same, fact patterns?
 
2011-05-16 10:57:22 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: bighasbeen: IamKaiserSoze!!!: No, he is a soulless, glamour seeking AW whose views change depending on the opportunity.

I know he wasn't as much in favor of social welfare programs back in the day, but what other views of his have radically changed?

And isn't it a vastly different world now than 15 years ago?

Dammit bighasbeen, don't you get it?
A person's view on issues are not allowed to change, especially over the course of 15 years and especially if they are presented with new information.


And, even when his views don't change, they still change apparently.

How do you even counter something like that, by the way?
 
2011-05-16 10:58:45 PM  

Sensei Can You See: Unlike Maher, however, I'm not going to invest a lot of time poking fun at flat earthers. And I'm especially not going to (erroneously!) accuse them of not being "good" flat Earthers.


When so much of the public policy in the US is influenced by Christianity, you have a problem with him pointing out some of the hugely hypocritical and illogical beliefs of Christians? Okay.
 
2011-05-16 11:00:17 PM  

Sensei Can You See: I don't get in political arguments very often but I prefer respectfully pointing out why I think X position or Y philosophy is wrong -- as opposed to assuming moral deficiency, inbreeding and stupidity in anyone I disagree with.


Oh, almost forgot:

One of my college professors once said to me that you have no business debating anything with anyone until and unless you can argue your opponent's view to his satisfaction.

I've seen Maher laying into religious people on his show. One time he started spouting off about how "everyone knows the Gospels were written two or three hundred years after Jesus' time" and a bunch of other stuff that made it clear that although he's passionate about decrying Christianity, he can't be bothered to learn any facts about it.

Let's imagine for a moment that whatever GOP candidate who takes on Obama next year spends the debates arguing about Obama's birth certificate, saying he's a secret Muslim and yelling that Osama bin Laden isn't really dead.

Even if you were a staunch conservative and really disliked Obama, would you be delighted to see your party's candidate doing that?

Seems to me that if people don't like or disagree with religious issues, the thoughtful, intelligent, grown up thing to do would be to educate themselves about it so they can talk respectfully to/with their opponents.

Exactly the opposite of the way Maher does things, in other words.
 
2011-05-16 11:01:02 PM  

Sensei Can You See: Maher released a movie mocking religious folks, saying they're all either deluded or hucksters making a quick buck.

Now he wants to turn around and quibble about whether people who call themselves Christians are doing it right?


I think that what he is getting at here is the same thing he was getting at in Religulous: that you can't claim moral superiority without moral consistency.
 
2011-05-16 11:01:45 PM  
As a Christian I mourn his death and wish he had come to accept Christ.

As an American, A Paramedic, and former Infantryman.........Nice shooting.

See people can be of two minds on things.
 
2011-05-16 11:03:11 PM  

Hoban Washburne: Sensei Can You See: Unlike Maher, however, I'm not going to invest a lot of time poking fun at flat earthers. And I'm especially not going to (erroneously!) accuse them of not being "good" flat Earthers.

When so much of the public policy in the US is influenced by Christianity, you have a problem with him pointing out some of the hugely hypocritical and illogical beliefs of Christians? Okay.


I do when he can't be bothered to treat people with any respect, much less learn any facts about them.

How about if I decided to combat flat-Earther beliefs by mocking them and spouting off irrelevant and untrue talking points about them?

Think that would help?

Sure, Christians can be just as illogical or stupid or hypocritical as anyone else. Does that mean the best response is ridicule and lies?
 
2011-05-16 11:05:21 PM  

bighasbeen: I think that what he is getting at here is the same thing he was getting at in Religulous: that you can't claim moral superiority without moral consistency.


If he thinks being a Christian means you can claim moral superiority, then he's already wrong wrong wrong.

If claiming moral superiority requires moral consistency, it's fair to also point out that being a legitimate critic requires a grasp of the facts and being fair.
 
2011-05-16 11:06:54 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: See people can be of two minds on things.


This. It's okay to be of two minds or confused or torn.

Doesn't make a good zingy talking point for Bill Maher, though. One-dimensional strawmen don't get to ask questions or admit imperfection. That's just no fun.
 
2011-05-16 11:11:33 PM  

Sensei Can You See: How about if I decided to combat flat-Earther beliefs by mocking them and spouting off irrelevant and untrue talking points about them?

Think that would help?

Sure, Christians can be just as illogical or stupid or hypocritical as anyone else. Does that mean the best response is ridicule and lies?


Actually Maher seems to know more about Christianity than most Christians I know. Are we talking about open minded and learned Christian scholars or Joe Blow generic Christian that goes to the polls and holds public office?
 
2011-05-16 11:12:18 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum:
Dammit bighasbeen, don't you get it?
A person's view on issues are not allowed to change, especially over the course of 15 years and especially if they are presented with new information.


Pundits and politicians are allowed to change their views, but they better be ready to explain why, in detail, if they value their credibility.
 
2011-05-16 11:13:28 PM  

Sensei Can You See: If he thinks being a Christian means you can claim moral superiority, then he's already wrong wrong wrong.


That's not something Maher thinks. That's something many Christians think.
 
2011-05-16 11:14:06 PM  
Also most flat earthers don't really scare me. But the shiat eating grin creationist guys that say what our kids should learn do scare me.
 
2011-05-16 11:15:18 PM  

Asa Phelps: Pundits and politicians are allowed to change their views, but they better be ready to explain why, in detail, if they value their credibility.


Paging Mitt and Newt.
 
2011-05-16 11:15:28 PM  

Hoban Washburne: Actually Maher seems to know more about Christianity than most Christians I know. Are we talking about open minded and learned Christian scholars


I have a degree in theology. I've never heard Maher say anything Christianity or the Bible that wasn't deliberately ignorant trash-talk that can be demonstrated to be incorrect with 10 minutes of research.
 
2011-05-16 11:16:12 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Sensei Can You See: If he thinks being a Christian means you can claim moral superiority, then he's already wrong wrong wrong.

That's not something Maher thinks. That's something many Christians think.


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2011-05-16 11:16:30 PM  

Sensei Can You See: If he thinks being a Christian means you can claim moral superiority, then he's already wrong wrong wrong.


I think that's the point. The Evangelical movement on the Right claims moral superiority and authority while being at odds with most basic tenets of Christianity. Let's be fair--they have been courted since Reagan and are a powerful segment of the base of the Republican party.

That doesn't mean Maher isn't a prick. But, he's not far off the mark.
 
2011-05-16 11:18:11 PM  

Sensei Can You See: Hoban Washburne: Actually Maher seems to know more about Christianity than most Christians I know. Are we talking about open minded and learned Christian scholars

I have a degree in theology. I've never heard Maher say anything Christianity or the Bible that wasn't deliberately ignorant trash-talk that can be demonstrated to be incorrect with 10 minutes of research.


First off, YOU claim to have a degree in theology. Most ignorant motherfarkers don't. They represent most of the population.

Secondly, Maher has said Jesus wasn't born on December 25th. Care to debate that?
 
2011-05-16 11:22:21 PM  
A lot of "Christians" nowadays are nothing more than false prophets and heretics who spew blasphemy. Full of hate and spite. Full of self righteousness and piety. Wanting nothing more than to force their will on others.
 
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