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(The New York Times)   First they came for Green 3, and I didn't speak out as I did not eat Jello. They came for Red 40, and I didn't speak out as I did not eat Froot Loops. When they came for Yellow Number 6, Cheetos, there was no one left to speak out   (nytimes.com) divider line
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2011-04-04 02:08:54 PM  
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2011-04-04 02:11:44 PM  
I was allergic to Red 40 and Yellow 6 as a kid. Caused me to be crazy hyper and break out in a rash.

So, as much I hate nanny-state moves like this, I'm kind of in favor of it.
 
2011-04-04 02:22:30 PM  

signine: I was allergic to Red 40 and Yellow 6 as a kid. Caused me to be crazy hyper and break out in a rash.

So, as much I hate nanny-state moves like this, I'm kind of in favor of it.


Believing your government should keep petro chemicals out of the food supply does make you a radical left wing nutcase.
 
2011-04-04 02:23:06 PM  

jaylectricity: First off, brilliant headline. I hope this isn't a repeat.


Well I'm glad you liked it. I had tried it out the day before on this article:

Arizona governor proposes obesity fee for Medicaid patients

That I headlined as:

First Arizona came for the Mexicans, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Mexican. Then Arizona came for the fat people but you couldn't hear me speak out because my mouth was full


but it got the RED 40 treatment.
 
2011-04-04 02:34:13 PM  
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2011-04-04 03:09:31 PM  

Sim Tree: After reading Wollffeey's post, I'm starting to consider if maybe I'm just shopping in the wrong supermarket. I'm going to try a different one this week. Thank you for the idea!


No problem. Hopefully you will have success.
 
2011-04-04 03:10:06 PM  

Damian: Smackledorfer: I would respect Damian's argument a lot more if he didn't make up numbers and grossly exaggerate every reaction to an ingested product as obvious and immediate or else it doesn't exist at all.

I HAVE NO ARGUMENT IN THIS MATTER. I do not care about the substance of anyone's argument here. It just pisses me off when a study showing correlation is used as if it indicates a direct link between A and B in an effort to further one's position. Doing this indicates either ignorance or an intentional attempt to mislead.

Hence, my repeated statements that 100% of people who have died have inhaled nitrogen/drank water in an attempt to show the fallacy of conflating correlation and causation.

My down and dirty study shows a MASSIVE correlation between people dying and people breathing/drinking water.

People die.
In order to die, people must be alive.
In order to be alive, people must drink water.
In order to be alive, people must inhale nitrogen.
Therefore, everyone who has died has drank water and inhaled nitrogen.
Therefore, my study shows a 100% correlation between drinking water/inhaling nitrogen and dying.

Does this mean that the water and nitrogen killed all of those people and that we should stop drinking water and breathing? No, it merely shows a correlation between events (dying/drinking water/breathing) each linked to another event (being alive) but not linked to each other.

Hence, a 100% correlation, but absolutely no causation.

Now replace water/air with the bogeyman of the day and replace dying with a detrimental effect and I can show correlation between almost any two things and some people will believe that there is a causal link between the two.



False. Your assertion fails to account for the deaths children that die very soon after birth, without ever having had anything to drink.

As a general point, whilst correlation does not equal causation, it at least doesn't refute it, and may even point to somewhere worth further investigation.
 
2011-04-04 03:22:44 PM  

GranoblasticMan: Oh no thank you. I've been around long enough to know not to do something someone told me on the internet (new window).


That was damn near Darwinian. Probably fake, but funny anyway.
 
2011-04-04 03:25:07 PM  
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/or should this be in the "Union death-threat thread"?
 
2011-04-04 03:56:10 PM  

Gothnet: False. Your assertion fails to account for the deaths children that die very soon after birth, without ever having had anything to drink.


Statistical outliers. They'd be tossed from the study, but touche.

Gothnet: As a general point, whilst correlation does not equal causation, it at least doesn't refute it, and may even point to somewhere worth further investigation.


Completely agree. Just don't use it as proof.
 
2011-04-04 04:02:09 PM  
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2011-04-04 06:42:43 PM  
Put me in with the "take some responsibility" group. It is NOT that hard to read the ingredients. If you dont know what something is, google it to see if you think it is ok. If not, don't buy the product. I started getting leery of high fructose corn syrup. Sooooo, I started checking labels and cutting a lot of those products out. Dyes and HFCS are often together, so the dyes have been severrely reduced in our diets, along with excessive sugars and sodium. Sure, we indulge in the occasional hot dog or bag of doritos. We do that knowing what is in there, and knowing that moderation is key.
/Yes, another opinionated chick on fark.
 
2011-04-04 07:07:05 PM  

Screw_this_life: Put me in with the "take some responsibility" group. It is NOT that hard to read the ingredients. If you dont know what something is, google it to see if you think it is ok. If not, don't buy the product. I started getting leery of high fructose corn syrup. Sooooo, I started checking labels and cutting a lot of those products out. Dyes and HFCS are often together, so the dyes have been severrely reduced in our diets, along with excessive sugars and sodium. Sure, we indulge in the occasional hot dog or bag of doritos. We do that knowing what is in there, and knowing that moderation is key.
/Yes, another opinionated chick on fark.


My motive for cutting back on dyes (as well as HFCS) had to do with my desire for a healthier diet with more whole grains, real fruits and veggies, and fresh meat. It only makes sense that when you cut out junk food, these additives become less a part of your diet.

Boyfriend still has a huge sweet tooth, though, so a lot of the nasty stuff is still in our home, I just don't touch it. If I want chocolate or chips or ice cream, I get the good stuff made with quality ingredients. I'm still getting the calories, but at least I'm not getting extra chemicals (plus, it tends to taste better, too).
 
2011-04-04 10:41:54 PM  
One problem I've found with "just read the ingredients": The number of typos I've seen on the nutrition labels and the ingredients lists is appalling, so frankly I don't have a whole lot of confidence that everything's going to be accurately listed. That's not even getting into the labels that have things like "spices" halfway in, to cover up for anything that's become unfashionable lately.

It's not going to kill companies to require warnings next to the labeling over chemicals that are under scrutiny. That's how pretty much the entire food industry already works: first they try to hide the offensive ingredient, then come the warning boxes, then come the big bold DO NOT EAT THIS IF YOU ARE PREGNANT OR A PENGUIN, then comes THIS PRODUCT CONTAINS CHEMICALS KNOWN TO CAUSE CANCER AND BIRTH DEFECTS, and then they finally get banned outright or replaced by a new chemical and the cycle starts again.

That's right, this is nothing new, just a repeat for yet another possible (not definite) toxin.

If these studies had been around at the time, Red 40 would have been included in Prop 65 in California, I'm absolutely certain.
 
2011-04-05 12:39:52 AM  

foxyshadis: If these studies had been around at the time, Red 40 would have been included in Prop 65 in California, I'm absolutely certain.


And see how that turned out.

This sign is on EVERY FARKING BUILDING IN CALIFORNIA:

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And thus the make-work racket for sign manufactures and lawyers is complete.

By plastering this sign everywhere, its intent has been diluted beyond any rational purpose. You can't go anywhere without passing one. It's basically a EULA for buildings: you ignore it as fast as you can to get to the goods you're looking for.

Mindless bureaucracy in action.
 
2011-04-05 01:34:17 AM  
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2011-04-05 02:53:46 AM  

Meerlar: RED BARON
STANDING BY


Tower, I have the Fokker in sight.
 
2011-04-05 08:36:18 AM  

fluffy2097: If they actually did anything, we'd know about it, because every single baby boomer would be functionally retarded. All of their kids would be too.


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I can gather more evidence if you'd like.
 
2011-04-05 11:31:34 AM  
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The Red Rocker, standing by

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2011-04-05 01:00:33 PM  
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