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2011-03-30 05:46:16 PM  
Mods please delete my last post i'm wrong.
 
2011-03-30 05:52:50 PM  
I just had to come back to this before I left work. I finally realized why the RXL and XL in the little section I looked at made me think of meds. The common suffixes on extended release meds are ER, XR, and XL. Also CR (continuous release) and MR (modified release) are used, as well as SR (sustained release) and SA (sustained action).
 
2011-03-30 06:50:35 PM  

NicoFinn: What if it's not based on English?


could be based on anything...heck just yesterday I saw video clip on crypto that was based off of musical notes! who would've thought! a musical montage is a freaking message!!!

I've also seen based on the PI value where a = 3, b = . c =1 , d = 4 etc etc up to certain decimals and then the 2nd iteration starts on the second decimal place and so forth!

You need a supercomputer to brute force crack some of these things otherwise it's impossible or sheer luck can sometimes help also.
 
2011-03-30 06:51:37 PM  
You know, looking at it, especially at the repetition of certain letter clusters, it reminds me of some kind of agglutinative conlang. So the words could be made up of individual morphemes. As an example, here's something in Georgian I grabbed from Wikipedia:

xval- (tomorrow) -ad (adverbial) -mde (drops d) becomes the word "xvalamde" which means up to coontil) tomorrow.

Semitic languages also have a feature that is kind of similar - to paraphrase, the word in Arabic for horse is "faras" which comes from the root consonants "frs" which means to break or to crush, probably because of the was a horse's hooves pound on the ground. "Farasa" means to kill or tear apart and "farrasha" means to brush or untangle your hair.

And so do some Native languages. I'm guessing that because of the letter frequency (and his lack of training, being presumably a native speaker of English, etc.) it would resemble English and other Indo-European languages regardless. But does anyone know if he had Jewish or Native ancestry?

(I'm assuming that at some point in the past decade they've had people taking a linguistic or crypto-linguistic approach look at it already, but it's fun to think about.)
 
2011-03-30 07:40:49 PM  
I'm glad to see other people as obsessed as I am.

A theory. Maybe the guy has 4 or 5 keys that he knows very well, through practice, each just a few letters long.

So, he thinks of a word in his head, adds the key a character at a time, and then notes the specific key at the end of the word, as SE, BE, etc.

The digram "SE" appears far too often and in places too odd for it to represent a character, or for it to be an outcome of cryptography.

The problem with this key theory is with the area that looks like tabular data. Line one and two are very similar, which would be expected, because they have the same exact length. Line three, though, has two additional characters, but retains the form.

This could indicated that the "BE" key, in my model, is only 2 characters long.

Thoughts?
 
2011-03-30 09:21:24 PM  
I think every letter is the first letter in a word. This would make it nearly uncrackable to anybody but him, as police would have no idea as to what words, metaphors and cliches he used in his everyday language.
 
2011-03-30 09:33:53 PM  
I don't believe that's code. It lacks the randomization of a OTP and really looks like someones personal jotting. Lots of abbreviations or some sort of personal short-hand or even gibberish that evokes a particular memory. Upper/lower-case and punctuation looks only to be a slip-up or afterthought (former/latter). Dunno...maybe I'm way off, but sure looks un-cipher-like to me.
 
2011-03-30 09:36:25 PM  

TheyCallThisWork: I'm glad to see other people as obsessed as I am.

A theory. Maybe the guy has 4 or 5 keys that he knows very well, through practice, each just a few letters long.

So, he thinks of a word in his head, adds the key a character at a time, and then notes the specific key at the end of the word, as SE, BE, etc.

The digram "SE" appears far too often and in places too odd for it to represent a character, or for it to be an outcome of cryptography.

The problem with this key theory is with the area that looks like tabular data. Line one and two are very similar, which would be expected, because they have the same exact length. Line three, though, has two additional characters, but retains the form.

This could indicated that the "BE" key, in my model, is only 2 characters long.

Thoughts?


If it is shorthand/anagram it could be missing key letters or a combination of letters stand for a word or words.

Let's say the killer wrote it. NCBE could very well stand for killer,killed,murderer, or murdered since it shows up so much and is at the end of a few key sentences. Or it could be a exclamation point who knows. If this is the case, some letters could be randomly mixed up to make it look like cryptography .


I was reading Yahoo comments on the linked article and someone pointed out that these lines look like this.
WLDN = Would've
(FLR SEPQSEON DE71 NCBE) = First person DEC 1971 ?
(CDN SEPRSEONS DE74 NCBE) = Second person DEC 1974 ?
(BRT SEPRSEONRE DE75 NCBE) = Third persons DEC 1975 ?
(TFNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSE TOTEWLDN1HLDNCBE)


I think these lines are key since the have they have the same repeated combinations.

Looks pretty farking creepy.
 
2011-03-31 12:54:41 AM  
Link (He was last seen at forest park, does that not ring a bell? 74SPRKSE)
 
2011-03-31 12:55:43 AM  

BLIXX: Link (He was last seen at forest park, does that not ring a bell? 74SPRKSE)


Link (new window)
 
2011-03-31 12:59:01 AM  

Theory Of Null: Let's say the killer wrote it. NCBE could very well stand for killer,killed,murderer, or murdered since it shows up so much and is at the end of a few key sentences. Or it could be a exclamation point who knows. If this is the case, some letters could be randomly mixed up to make it look like cryptography .


Nobody thinks the killer wrote it. The victim wrote it.

Anyway, yes, I'd guess it is a mix of things. Some is probably just minor obfuscation (letter shuffling, etc.) But, I think some of it is actually code.

There are some weird things in there. The phrase wldncbe shows up a lot, as well as both wld and ncbe on their own. In one place, there's something that looks like wld's ncbe, and in another place wldnwldncbe.

There's something in there that isn't exactly simple.

Reminds me of an old French Cipher that encoded syllables into letter groups.
 
2011-03-31 01:09:56 AM  

BLIXX: BLIXX: Link (He was last seen at forest park, does that not ring a bell? 74SPRKSE)

Link (new window)


Thanks for this. And yes, 4S PRK could be something. Not surprising there is that SE after it. There are SEs everywhere.
 
2011-03-31 01:16:49 AM  

Theory Of Null: (FLR SEPQSEON DE71 NCBE)
(CDN SEPRSEONS DE74 NCBE)
(BRT SEPRSEONRE DE75 NCBE)


Maybe bus routes. The guy was on public assistance.

They have probably changed since 1999, but there is a St. Louis Metro route 74 to Florissant and a 73 to Carondelet.
 
2011-03-31 01:20:17 AM  
Here is the translation:

A Rabbi, an astronaut and Grover Cleveland walk into a bar . . .
 
2011-03-31 02:39:50 AM  
supaace
2011-03-30 05:37:12 PM


NCBE might stand for the National Confrence of Bar Examiners
I also crossrefrenced the word WLD, which appear before almost every NCBE (WLDNCBE). I come up with alot of lawyer refrences. Find lawyers and such.
The last line of page one has
194 WLD'SNCBE
which could fit theres 194 laweyrs on the National Confrence of Bar Examiners in 1999
wish i had history of the vitim to see if that has any link


- I was looking at the above from Supaace, let's say that NCBE does refer to the National Conference of Bar Examiners. If you google search this it comes up with Practice tests where people ask if 71 is a good score, practice tests are out of 100, not 250 like the real exam.
I am thinking that the DE 71, 74, 75, etc. is not referring to Highways but to practice test scores for the Exam.
"PRSE" could be shorthand for Practice Exam.
The WLD in "194WLD's" could stand for worldlawdirect.com, maybe he was researching something on the site, it could be a page number, a topic, etc. All this would be relevant to the NCBE.
As I looked into "DE", "SDE" and "REDE" many of these relate to tests, grammar tests and other types. These could have been subsections to tests by the NCBE back in 1999 and these could have been different practice tests that he took and he was just jotting down the scores in his own version of shorthand.
 
2011-03-31 02:49:47 AM  

tombb25: - I was looking at the above from Supaace, let's say that NCBE does refer to the National Conference of Bar Examiners. If you google search this it comes up with Practice tests where people ask if 71 is a good score, practice tests are out of 100, not 250 like the real exam.
I am thinking that the DE 71, 74, 75, etc. is not referring to Highways but to practice test scores for the Exam.


Not to shoot you down, but the guy was an unemployed high school drop out on public assistance. I'd be mightily impressed if he was studying for the bar.
 
2011-03-31 03:36:02 AM  
The victim's parents say that he'd been using such coding since he was a kid. Great, now had they paid more attention to him and perhaps asked him about it, we wouldn't be in such a farking pickle.

Parents: pay more attention to your child, you never now what kind of information the FBI will need to find the future murderer.
 
2011-03-31 07:51:06 AM  
First let's learn a little bit about Ricky McCormick. The FBI never reveals how he was murdered, so I decided to do my own research. These are partial articles since there were archives.

OMAN FINDS BODY OF BLACK MAN NEAR CORNFIELD OUTSIDE WEST ALTON
SOURCE:    Shane Anthony

Of The Post-Dispatch
PUBLICATION: St. Louis Post-Dispatch
DATE: July 1, 1999
SECTION: METRO EDITION: THREE STAR
PAGE: B2
WORD COUNT: 156
ID#: 9907010353
The partly decomposed body of a black man was found Wednesday afternoon by a woman driving along a path on the edge of a cornfield in the West Alton area. The man appeared to have suffered an injury to the head, officials with the St. Charles County Sheriff's Department said.

The cause of death has not been determined, and authorities are treating it as a suspicious death.

The body was found in an open area by the southeast corner of the cornfield between the field road


Here is another article

BODY FOUND IN FIELD NEAR WEST ALTON PUZZLES POLICE
NO CAUSE OF DEATH DETERMINED YET, BUT IDENTITY IS KNOWN
CASE IS TREATED AS A HOMICIDE
SOURCE: Shane Anthony
Of The St. Charles County Post
PUBLICATION: St. Louis Post-Dispatch
DATE: July 2, 1999
SECTION: ST. CHARLES COUNTY POST
EDITION: FIVE STAR LIFT
PAGE: 1
WORD COUNT: 542
ID#: 9907020220
Authorities know the identity of a man found dead near West Alton on Wednesday afternoon, but they have a lot of unanswered questions.
The body of Ricky McCormick, 41, who had addresses in St. Louis, Belleville and Fairview Heights, was found near a cornfield by a woman driving along a field road near Highway 367.
But how McCormick died and ended up where he did is still a mystery.

AUTHORITIES LEARN IDENTITY OF BODY FOUND NEAR WEST ALTON
SOURCE: Shane Anthony
Of The Post-Dispatch
PUBLICATION: St. Louis Post-Dispatch
DATE: July 2, 1999
SECTION: METRO
EDITION: FIVE STAR LIFT
PAGE: C3
WORD COUNT: 195
ID#: 9907020172
Authorities say the body found near West Alton on Wednesday was that of Ricky McCormick, 41, who had addresses in St. Louis, Belleville and Fairview Heights. He was identified by fingerprints on Thursday.
Police are asking for the public's help in determining how McCormick died and how his body wound up where it did - near Highway 367 between St. Louis and Alton.
A woman driving along a field road west of Highway 367 found McCormick's body about 12:45 p.m.

Article 1 of 1
LAW & ORDER
SOURCE:
PUBLICATION: St. Louis Post-Dispatch
DATE: July 3, 1999
SECTION: NEWS
EDITION: FIVE STAR LIFT
PAGE: 10
WORD COUNT: 703
ID#: 9907030192
WEST ALTON
Man found near field may have died naturally
The Major Case Squad was wrapping up its investigation Friday into the death of Ricky McCormick, 41, whose body was found Wednesday near a cornfield off Highway 367 near West Alton.
Maj. Tom O'Connor said medical examiners had not been able to determine a cause of death, and the 18 people working the case had found no evidence of a crime. The squad was turning the investigation back to the St. Charles.


2ND BODY FOUND IN SIX WEEKS IS IDENTIFIED
SOURCE: Michele Munz
Of The St. Charles County Post
PUBLICATION: St. Louis Post-Dispatch (MO)
DATE: July 3, 2001
SECTION: ST. CHARLES COUNTY POST
EDITION: FIVE STAR LIFT
PAGE: 1
WORD COUNT: 644
ID#: 0107030288
Authorities have tentatively identified the body of a woman dumped Friday morning along Highway 67 near West Alton, the second body found in the same spot within the past six weeks.
Detectives believe the body is that of a missing woman, 37, from Washington Park, Ill. She was last seen by friends the evening of June 22. Authorities are not releasing her name until she is positively identified.


ST. CHARLES COUNTY AREA IS CALLED HAVEN FOR CRIME COVER-UPS 4 BODIES HAVE BEEN FOUND IN STRETCH OF LAND
SOURCE: Michele Munz
Of The Post-Dispatch
PUBLICATION: St. Louis Post-Dispatch (MO)
DATE: July 4, 2001
SECTION: METRO
EDITION: ILLINOIS FIVE STAR LIFT
PAGE: B1
WORD COUNT: 543
ID#: 0107040333
In the past six years, four bodies have been found near the tiny town of West Alton along Highway 67, a two-mile stretch of road that connects the Clark Bridge over the Mississippi River and the Lewis Bridge over the Missouri River.
Two of those bodies were found in the last two months, just 16 feet apart. Both were black women. They were found nude, and neither had apparent signs of injury.


Im doing more digging but this will help us determine more about this crime. The answer may not be in the areas we are looking.

Lets also learn a little more about West Alton

According to Wikipedia, West Alton is a city in St. Charles County, Missouri, United States. The population was 573 at the 2000 census.
West Alton is located at 38°52′4″N 90°13′33″W (38.867798, -90.225856)[3].

As of the census[1] of 2000, there were 573 people, 211 households, and 147 families residing in the city. The population density was 20.2 people per square mile (7.8/km²). There were 291 housing units at an average density of 10.3/sq mi (4.0/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 99.13% White, 0.17% Native American, 0.17% Asian, 0.52% from other races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 0.52% of the population.

So lets figure this out... 573 people here and quite a few murders.


As I dug deeper.. I found this article which I cannot copy. Dates look about right

Maury Troy Travis ( why do all serial killers have 3 names?)

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=8nxFAAAAIBAJ&sjid=PMcMAAAAIBAJ&pg​=1348,683 3 214&dq=west-alton+murder&hl=en
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=COAvAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HTwDAAAAIBAJ&pg​=3013,629 9 525&hl=en

More information, yet his drug rehab dates are not available. Not sure if it was in patient or out patient.
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60A1FFF35590C728DDDAF​0894DA404 4 82

Some more news from West Alton

By Kalen Ponche | Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2007 12:00 am |

A hunter discovered human remains just 15 feet off Highway 94 near West Alton on Monday afternoon.
The hunter reported finding a human skull under some brush on the side of the road about 4:30 p.m., according to the St. Charles County Sheriff's Department.
The sheriff's department secured the scene and began searching the area early Tuesday, said Lt. Craig McGuire with the St. Charles County Sheriff's Department.
The remains, which included a skull, teeth and bone fragments, were taken to the medical examiner's office Wednesday morning.
McGuire said police are checking on missing person leads and have been in touch with authorities in other counties in attempt to identify the remains. As of Wednesday, the remains had been classified as a suspicious death.
"If nothing is cleared up immediately, we'll try to develop a victim profile - possible age, sex, race - and hopefully try to develop some leads," he said.
McGuire said the medical examiner would compare dental records and possibly use DNA to identify the person. He said he was not sure when the results would be available.
"In situations like this there is no room for mistake, so they make very close examinations," he said.
Human remains have been discovered around West Alton several times in the past few years, McGuire said.
"It's a rural, remote area that's wedged between two metropolitan areas, that being Alton, Ill., and St. Louis city," he said.

Im doing more digging, I think we need to learn much more before we try tracking a code.
 
2011-03-31 08:54:32 AM  
Am I the only one seeing a difference in E's? Some are squarish the way E's are supposed to be but some are round, like an epsilon. I can't speak for everyone but I pretty much always make my E's the same way, but his vary back and forth quite a bit.
 
2011-03-31 09:45:08 AM  

sxacho: Am I the only one seeing a difference in E's? Some are squarish the way E's are supposed to be but some are round, like an epsilon. I can't speak for everyone but I pretty much always make my E's the same way, but his vary back and forth quite a bit.


People have been mentioning medication ... Reports are saying he was at the hospital before he died. You are thinking of a C with a bar through it; I believe it means "with".
 
2011-03-31 09:54:51 AM  
PRSE = HERE
NPRSE = WHERE
NCBE = WORK
INC = NOW
WLD'S = either DON'T or WON'T
N'P = either I'M or I'D
TFRNE probably = WHILE but I'm not confident in that yet
 
2011-03-31 10:26:43 AM  
The guy was obviously an EverQuest Freak. Does anyone remember how addicted people got with that game?

It's in the Zones
 
2011-03-31 10:37:49 AM  

Pesto360: Im doing more digging, I think we need to learn much more before we try tracking a code.


Why would a man without visible means of support have three addresses?

He may have worked for a pimp. It doesn't seem to be code, just letter play. He turns his letter shapes ninety degrees from usual. U is written as C. f is written as n (no cross). Lots of letters are written as E (w k etc).

Just my 2 cents.
 
2011-03-31 10:56:49 AM  

ffacker: PRSE = HERE
NPRSE = WHERE
NCBE = WORK
INC = NOW
WLD'S = either DON'T or WON'T
N'P = either I'M or I'D
TFRNE probably = WHILE but I'm not confident in that yet


Eh? How does that even work?
 
2011-03-31 11:03:35 AM  
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2011-03-31 11:53:45 AM  

Delay: Pesto360: Im doing more digging, I think we need to learn much more before we try tracking a code.

Why would a man without visible means of support have three addresses?

He may have worked for a pimp. It doesn't seem to be code, just letter play. He turns his letter shapes ninety degrees from usual. U is written as C. f is written as n (no cross). Lots of letters are written as E (w k etc).

Just my 2 cents.


One of the articles said he wasn't married, but he had at least four children. I'm guessing he was rotating between babymomma houses.
 
2011-03-31 12:37:56 PM  
"Oh freddled gruntbuggly/thy micturations are to me/As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.
Groop I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes. And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles,
Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't!"
 
2011-03-31 12:48:56 PM  

Kozmopoliskepticalopsis: Al_Ed: Here's a possible clue to solving this...

Link (new window)


I haven't seen this in literally decades!

It makes me wonder though ... why do college-age girls need to learn the alphabet?



That's a silly question. How else do you expect them to read recipes when they're cooking?
 
2011-03-31 02:54:42 PM  

BLIXX: "Oh freddled gruntbuggly/thy micturations are to me/As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.
Groop I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes. And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles,
Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't!"


Did you miss the part about these notes being something the victim has written his entire life, and probably has nothing to do with the murder?
 
2011-03-31 08:43:45 PM  
71 = July 1st? That's the day when someone found him dead, maybe it's the same day he was killed... Maybe July 1st (71) was when he was supposed to do some deal.
 
2011-03-31 10:52:33 PM  
To be honest why is everyone calling an encryption code. It is not that.

The person closest to figuring it out is code name (21-7-b)


While you guys try finding theories that work, wasting time. 21-7-b knows what I mean.
 
2011-03-31 10:56:39 PM  
is the one code name 21-7-b out there tonight
 
2011-04-01 08:52:52 AM  
I am code name 21-7-b.
 
2011-04-01 11:05:27 AM  
cute
 
2011-04-02 09:05:04 AM  

SuperNinjaToad: NicoFinn: What if it's not based on English?

could be based on anything...heck just yesterday I saw video clip on crypto that was based off of musical notes! who would've thought! a musical montage is a freaking message!!!

I've also seen based on the PI value where a = 3, b = . c =1 , d = 4 etc etc up to certain decimals and then the 2nd iteration starts on the second decimal place and so forth!

You need a supercomputer to brute force crack some of these things otherwise it's impossible or sheer luck can sometimes help also.


I'd need a LOT of adderall to sit through cracking that. The musical code was cool, though. Hate to be the guy that had to crack that one.
 
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