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2011-03-30 09:40:59 AM  
sorry, but i've been reading fark comments for a long time now...you people are NOT who i would want on my defense team.
 
2011-03-30 09:41:19 AM  
I don't think this is real. I think they're hiring and this is an IQ test. You can't do this for the real thing if you have no info. about the person. Everything else would have already been exhausted.
 
2011-03-30 09:41:25 AM  
I cracked it. It says:

First Note:
"I didn't do it"

Second Node:
"Just kidding, yea I did"
 
2011-03-30 09:42:19 AM  
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2011-03-30 09:43:02 AM  
They should run it through google translate. It's probably French or something.
 
2011-03-30 09:43:21 AM  
my guess is gibberish...shorthand gibberish, read best upside-down, in a mirror, backwards.
 
2011-03-30 09:43:47 AM  
luckyeddie [TotalFark] 2011-03-30 05:18:31 AM
Far too many 'E's to represent any single letter - I suggest they might represent the space or delimiter between words"

====================================================================
Probably got the idea from looking at a corrupted Word doc.

It seems that the "e" for example may derive its meaning from its context in a letter group.
putting a child to the task may get it solved.
Seriously, i get very sleepy around codes.
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It might just be C+ with a few Rubies thrown in.
 
2011-03-30 09:45:43 AM  

dittybopper: 52829 80537 69548 57947 40136

/Encrypted using the straddling checkerboard and "one time pad" in my profile.


*Looks at dittybopper's profile. Goes to Wikipedia to try to find out what it means. Gives up almost instantly.*

I'd like to be able to wrap my head around things like this but I simply can't make sense of it!
 
2011-03-30 09:50:47 AM  
Well, its not Hawaiian, Samoan, or Spanish.

/mý work here is done
 
2011-03-30 09:52:12 AM  
if there is any degree of consistency between p1 and p2, the indented text should give it away, considering the repetition
(FLR SEPR SEON DE 71 NCBE)
(CDN SEPR SEON S DE 74 NCBE)
(BRT SEPR SEON RE DE 75 NCBE)

from lionfish, i think the Q originally posted in the (above)FLR SEPR sequence was incorrect. it's an R, but the printing made it look like a Q.
 
2011-03-30 09:55:12 AM  

Vodka Zombie: "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."


Goddammitsomuch, I was going to say that.
 
2011-03-30 09:58:23 AM  

ThisNameSux: Vodka Zombie: "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."

Goddammitsomuch, I was going to say that.


you could say it again, only been said about 47 times.

need to get John Nash on the case!
 
2011-03-30 10:00:26 AM  
Its a suicide note...
"victim" paid someone to execute the final command.
The ego trippiness of it, and the obvious need to have it studied says ego-based suicide all over it.
addresses and dates have to do with premature and unfulfilled relationships.
centerfolds and panty ads probably figure in there somewhere.
 
2011-03-30 10:01:03 AM  
NSREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3XORL)= No response prescribed me 3x orally

HIL = Home for independant living

HMCRENMREFCBE 1/2MUNDPLSE = home care enforce drugs hald dosage please

d-w-m = dead white male
 
2011-03-30 10:05:43 AM  
I would solve it but I'm too busy coding web pages in C+
 
2011-03-30 10:11:54 AM  
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We're hiring.
 
2011-03-30 10:13:39 AM  
Help the feds? I don't farking think so.

Unless they want me to help them shove something up their collective asses.
 
2011-03-30 10:14:37 AM  
This is NOT code. My dad writes EXACTLY this way if he's taking down notes for himself. Poor handwriting with mostly capital letters, a few lowercase mixed in and the words and abbreviations so close together you can't always tell if there's supposed to be a space or not. If he's writing something for someone else to read he makes sure to make it a bit more legible, but it's still always in capital letters. When he takes notes for himself off the phone I cannot tell what the hell they say unless I stare at them for awhile. He also writes down directions in the same manner they're written in the letter in the article, with very similar shorthand and nearly incomprehensible capital letters and spacing. You'd think it was written in code or by a mental patient.
The guy that wrote the stuff is also using inconsistent shorthand (as in he's using different abbreviations for the same stuff in places). I doubt he did it to codify it - more likely he just writes and thinks inconsistently.

If I look at this for awhile I can probably parse it out.

The people talking about directions to exits and stuff sound correct.

They had code breakers working on this? No wonder they didn't get anywhere. They need someone that can interpret horrible grammar, writing, and shorthand, not code.
 
2011-03-30 10:16:33 AM  

Shyla: jimmyego: Article unclear on whether these were the victims or the killers documents we are looking at.

One of the comments at the link said that the notes were written by the deceased man. It said he had dropped out of school, was not known to be gifted, and had been writing notes to himself like this since he was a kid.


So one is his to do list, the other is his grocery list and he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
2011-03-30 10:17:25 AM  
This is obviously a test to recruit new MIB agents.

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/hot like that flashy thing
 
2011-03-30 10:18:45 AM  
Probably also need an expert in horrible grammar, writing, and shorthand to interpret my own posts.

/really sleepy
 
2011-03-30 10:18:53 AM  

dittybopper: LRSERLSEhistorycat: They're directions.

I 71, I 74, and I 75 all converge in Cincinnati.

OK, those are all preceded by DE's:

(FLR=SEPQ=SEON=DE71=NCBE)
(CDN=SEPR=SEON=SDE74=NCBE)
(BRT=SEPR=SEON=REDE75=NCBE)

Does DE stand in for I? Perhaps in some kind of square with D being one coordinate and E being the other?

/Just throwing crap out there, seeing what sticks.


Hm...

D is the 4 letter of the alphabet
E is the 5 letter of the alphabet

4+5 = 9 and I is the 9th letter of the alphabet.

Of course, I've seen "The Number 23" too many times.
 
2011-03-30 10:19:10 AM  
*shakes tiny alien fist at interstitialofficial*
 
2011-03-30 10:21:27 AM  

obzerver: Shyla: jimmyego: Article unclear on whether these were the victims or the killers documents we are looking at.

One of the comments at the link said that the notes were written by the deceased man. It said he had dropped out of school, was not known to be gifted, and had been writing notes to himself like this since he was a kid.

So one is his to do list, the other is his grocery list and he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.


Maybe. Or they could be related, but even if they were directions and stuff he took down from someone that was involved, it's unlikely the FBI could link anything.
 
2011-03-30 10:22:43 AM  
I'll help by posting a graph.

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2011-03-30 10:23:45 AM  

lionfish: Lotta TE and SE going on there at the end of most words. Like pig latin.


E = .

Which means L = ? or possibly !
 
2011-03-30 10:25:53 AM  

SchlingFocker: Apparently, the murder victim, according to other news articles I found, had spent his entire life tinkering with cryptography. But, he was a high school dropout.

So, either he was a savant or he created something that is made to look like a cypher but is just gibberish.


Wait... if the victim was a cypher enthusiast, then this is probably just his stupid grocery list. Why does anyone think it is tied to his killer?
 
2011-03-30 10:27:36 AM  

lionfish: One page:

ALPNTE GLSE-SE ERTE
VLSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE
PNRTRSE ONDRSEWLD NCBE
NWLDZLRCMSPNEWLDSTSMEXL
DULMT6TUNSE NCBEXC
(MUNSAISTENMUNARSE)
KLSE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE
(SAE6NSE SE NMBSE)
NMNRCBRNSEPTE2PTEWSREBKNSE
26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE
356LE CLGSEOUNUTKEDKRSE PSESHLE
651MTCSEHTLSENCUTCTRS NMRE
99.84.5 5UNEPLSENCRSEADLTSENSKSENBSE
NSREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3XORL)
NMSENRSEIN2NTRLERCBRNSENTSRCRBNE
LSPNSENGSPSEMKSEKBSEPCBEAVXL'R
HMCRENMREFCBE 1/2MUNDPLSE
D-W-M14HIL XDRLX



If you try to speak it, it almost sounds like a cross between pig latin and ubbi dubbi. McCormick started writing in codes as a kid and had no formal training, so it seems plausible that his codes would be a variant of ones popular with kids. What were codes used in children's shows and literature when he was 8yo.
 
2011-03-30 10:28:42 AM  
/thinks it means absolutely nothing and the murderer is sitting back getting a laugh
 
2011-03-30 10:30:17 AM  

SideOfBacon: /thinks it means absolutely nothing and the murderer is sitting back getting a laugh


We established this hours ago. This isn't about the murder, it's about figuring out if this man liked white or wheat bread.
 
2011-03-30 10:31:00 AM  
He should have used AES encryption on that note
 
2011-03-30 10:31:18 AM  

Bartleby the Scrivener: if there is any degree of consistency between p1 and p2, the indented text should give it away, considering the repetition
(FLR SEPR SEON DE 71 NCBE)
(CDN SEPR SEON S DE 74 NCBE)
(BRT SEPR SEON RE DE 75 NCBE)

from lionfish, i think the Q originally posted in the (above)FLR SEPR sequence was incorrect. it's an R, but the printing made it look like a Q.


LOL.
"I don't know what it means, but I'm sure there's a mistake in it."
 
2011-03-30 10:31:30 AM  

The Envoy: dittybopper: 52829 80537 69548 57947 40136

/Encrypted using the straddling checkerboard and "one time pad" in my profile.

*Looks at dittybopper's profile. Goes to Wikipedia to try to find out what it means. Gives up almost instantly.*

I'd like to be able to wrap my head around things like this but I simply can't make sense of it!


It's so deviously simple, you'll kick yourself for not trying.

First, we have the ciphertext:

52829 80537 69548 57947 40136

From that, we subtract the values from the first line of the "one time pad". Since the encryption used non-carrying addition ( 9 + 8 = 7, not 17 ), we have to mentally add a tens digit to the top row if the bottom number is greater ( 7 - 8 is treated like 17 - 8, so we get 9 ).

OK so what are the results?

52829 80537 69548 57947 40136
88254 83402 02029 48286 92288
----- ----- ----- ----- -----
74675 07135 67529 19761 58958

See how 5 - 8 is really 15 - 8 = 7?

OK, now you just have to plug those numbers into the straddling checkerboard, which looks like this:


 |0123456789
 |A SIN TOER
1|BCDFGHJKLM
5|PQUVWXYZ./

If you see a 0,2,3,4,6,7,8,9 it's a single digit for the letter, if you see a 1 or a 5 there is two digits for a letter. So we separate it out like this, and plug in the values:

7 4 6 7 50 7 13 56 7 52 9 19 7 6 15 8 9 58
O N T O P  O F  Y  O U  R M  O T H  E R .

Notice that the top line of the straddling checkerboard is a phrase: "A sin to er(r)" which is easily memorable and contains the most common letters in English, which keeps the message length down. If you were to use a strict two number coordinate system, it would double the length of the message, but this way it only increases it by around 30% or so.

I generate my one time pads using 10-sided dice, which are often used in gaming. I bought 5 of them for a buck a piece. I throw them all at once, and type (on a real manual typewriter) the result. Instant code group! Much faster than the "reach into a bag, pull out a Scrabble tile, put it back in, repeat" method of generating alphabetical OTPs.

If you want to actually transmit letters (if you are using Morse, for example, and don't want to resort to 'cut' numbers), you can add an extra step and re-encipher the ciphertext using the straddling checkerboard:


52 8 2 9 8 0 53 7 6 9 54 8 57 9 4 7 4 0 13 6
Q  E S R E A V  O T R W  E Z  R N O N A F  T

QESRE AVOTR WEZRN ONAFT

Decipherment is obviously the reverse.
 
2011-03-30 10:31:35 AM  

dittybopper: Does DE stand in for I? Perhaps in some kind of square with D being one coordinate and E being the other?


D = 4
E = 5

I = 9

4 + 5 = 9

Coincidence?
 
2011-03-30 10:31:44 AM  
Hmmmmmm....

lionfish: One page:

ALPNTE GLSE-SE ERTE
VLSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE
PNRTRSE ONDRSEWLD NCBE
NWLDZLRCMSPNEWLDSTSMEXL
DULMT6TUNSE NCBEXC
(MUNSAISTENMUNARSE)
KLSE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE
(SAE6NSE SE NMBSE)
NMNRCBRNSEPTE2PTEWSREBKNSE
26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE
356LE CLGSEOIUNUTKEDKRSE PSESHLE
651MTCSEHTLSENCUTCTRS NMRE
99.84.5 5UNEPLSENCRSEADLTSENSKSENBSE
NSREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3XORL)
NMSENRSEIN2NTRLERCBRNSENTSRCRBNE
LSPNSENGSPSEMKSEKBSEPCBEAVXL'R
HMCRENMREFCBE 1/2MUNDPLSE
D-W-M14HIL XDRLX

 
2011-03-30 10:31:51 AM  
Note to self: If you ever go on a suicidal shooting spree, leave a note that means nothing but appears to be a coded message. You know, for the lulz.
 
2011-03-30 10:32:41 AM  

shijjiri: SideOfBacon: /thinks it means absolutely nothing and the murderer is sitting back getting a laugh

We established this hours ago. This isn't about the murder, it's about figuring out if this man liked white or wheat bread.


OK, here's what we've got: the Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people -- under the supervision of the reverse vampires -- are forcing our parents to go to bed early in a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner.

/We're through the looking glass here, people.
 
2011-03-30 10:34:31 AM  
This is not a substitution code. If it is the characters are in an order that will only be revealed if you have the key, which could be anything from a Bible passage to an advertisement in the NYT. Because the letters follow a pattern similar to written language it is unlikely that is the case. Chances are whoever made this has invented their own language. It is not as rare as you think especially for people in the higher autism spectrum. I invented my own written language when I was ten and a spoken language similar to "Kilgnon" or other fantasy/scifi based language by the time I was 8.
 
2011-03-30 10:36:02 AM  
Did anyone run it through the Enigma machine?
 
2011-03-30 10:36:52 AM  
"That's enough John Mayer."


Solved.
 
2011-03-30 10:36:57 AM  

shijjiri: unicron702: It's random, or it's a one time pad. It's not solvable.

L -- Adjoin
S -- Start group
X -- Transformer
A -- Identifier
E -- Terminate group

U, R, G, O, W, D, K, U, M, T, C -- Recipients?



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2011-03-30 10:37:19 AM  

ThisNameSux: Note to self: If you ever go on a suicidal shooting spree, leave a note that means nothing but appears to be a coded message. You know, for the lulz.


Also, format hard drive and install TeleTubbies: The Game
 
2011-03-30 10:38:37 AM  

The Envoy: dittybopper: 52829 80537 69548 57947 40136

/Encrypted using the straddling checkerboard and "one time pad" in my profile.

*Looks at dittybopper's profile. Goes to Wikipedia to try to find out what it means. Gives up almost instantly.*

I'd like to be able to wrap my head around things like this but I simply can't make sense of it!


Grab a copy of Cryptonomicon. It's a good story and very educational.
 
2011-03-30 10:39:47 AM  
All of the traditional expert and computational crypto approaches have already been applied by the FBI to no avail. The point of this release was to pick the billions of brains on the Internet for a creative idea, not for some dumbass in a basement to setup a Beowulf cluster and apply some trivial substitution cypher analysis on it.
 
2011-03-30 10:39:54 AM  

SideOfBacon: ThisNameSux: Vodka Zombie: "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."

Goddammitsomuch, I was going to say that.

you could say it again, only been said about 47 times.

need to get John Nash on the case!


Sorry, busy with my Life magazines today.
 
2011-03-30 10:40:43 AM  
99.84.5

Might this be a day/time? Perhaps 5 O'clock on the 84th day of 1999? That would be March 25th, 1999.
 
2011-03-30 10:41:38 AM  

untitled1: Did anyone run it through the Enigma machine?


Enigma doesn't encrypt numbers or punctuation, you have to spell them out.
 
2011-03-30 10:45:48 AM  
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2011-03-30 10:46:25 AM  
And at best it's written in part his own little code or language(s) and part really horrible grammar, spelling and shorthand. Trying to find a common link to solve the parts that are coded is probably going to be futile in that case.
Who knows what happens between someone's mind and the paper. I've seen lots of seemingly normal people write in a really weird and incomprehensible manner when taking notes.
 
2011-03-30 10:48:05 AM  

PanicMan: The Envoy: dittybopper: 52829 80537 69548 57947 40136

/Encrypted using the straddling checkerboard and "one time pad" in my profile.

*Looks at dittybopper's profile. Goes to Wikipedia to try to find out what it means. Gives up almost instantly.*

I'd like to be able to wrap my head around things like this but I simply can't make sense of it!

Grab a copy of Cryptonomicon. It's a good story and very educational.


It's an OK story, and not very educational. Personally, I call it the "Craptonimcon". I should be the ideal target audience for that book: I love the history of signals intelligence since first having read "The Codebreakers" by David Kahn as a kid, and I even went into SIGINT when I joined the Army. Yet I found it to be completely and truly farked. Perhaps because I'm knowledgeable about the actual history of it, I just couldn't suspend my disbelief.

/Also a serious Ubootewaffe nerd, which doesn't help.
 
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