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2011-03-29 09:49:09 PM  
It was written by a liter and it says "if you sponsor me for six months and give me lots of boobie links and beer, I'll knock that farker off for you".

The Tfer said "Sure Gary, I think we can probably work something out but do me a favor, no talking politics all the time....".

/The rest is history.
 
2011-03-29 10:23:10 PM  
I've got a partial translation:

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2011-03-29 10:31:11 PM  
"Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."
 
2011-03-29 10:56:36 PM  
I'm not entirely sure, but I think that may be a windows 8 product key.

/VEJB
//may take a peek at this, but I'm not a crypto guy.
 
2011-03-29 11:02:57 PM  
Anyone consider it might just be random letters and numbers?
 
2011-03-29 11:32:51 PM  
We need that Farker who had supposedly solved the Zodiac murders.
 
2011-03-29 11:36:59 PM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Anyone consider it might just be random letters and numbers?


My exact thought. If I were ever going to leave a note at a crime scene I'd just deliberately put in a fake string to mess with people.
 
2011-03-29 11:37:16 PM  
Don't look at me, I can't even finish the crossword.
 
2011-03-29 11:53:35 PM  

Andromeda: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Anyone consider it might just be random letters and numbers?

My exact thought. If I were ever going to leave a note at a crime scene I'd just deliberately put in a fake string to mess with people.


Did you ever notice how cryptology died with the invention of the computer?

Sure, we call security algorithms cryptology, but it's not the same as it was in the 1800's when people were bored enough to try and crack those codes by hand. And why would a murderer actually leave a clue to help the cops in the encrypted message anyway? What fun is that?
 
2011-03-29 11:57:14 PM  
Why not use a fractal encryption code?

/Data did it...
 
2011-03-29 11:58:41 PM  
If anyone figures it out before I do let me know. I love Myst games but I can't avoid cheating either.
 
2011-03-30 12:12:55 AM  
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The notes section doesn't look like code more like shorthand. Like aplnte glse - south east

Last part

Day-Week-Month-Year ?/? XDRLX could be a key.
 
2011-03-30 12:21:10 AM  
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"~" is obviously a break.

and "cbe" and "are" have to be some sort of note to use a certain key.
 
2011-03-30 12:26:31 AM  
One page:

ALPNTE GLSE-SE ERTE
VLSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE
PNRTRSE ONDRSEWLD NCBE
NWLDZLRCMSPNEWLDSTSMEXL
DULMT6TUNSE NCBEXC
(MUNSAISTENMUNARSE)
KLSE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE
(SAE6NSE SE NMBSE)
NMNRCBRNSEPTE2PTEWSREBKNSE
26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE
356LE CLGSEOUNUTKEDKRSE PSESHLE
651MTCSEHTLSENCUTCTRS NMRE
99.84.5 5UNEPLSENCRSEADLTSENSKSENBSE
NSREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3XORL)
NMSENRSEIN2NTRLERCBRNSENTSRCRBNE
LSPNSENGSPSEMKSEKBSEPCBEAVXL'R
HMCRENMREFCBE 1/2MUNDPLSE
D-W-M14HIL XDRLX
 
2011-03-30 12:27:06 AM  
Other page:

(MNDMKNEARSE-N-S-M-KNARE)
TFRHENPINSENPBSERCBBNSENPRSEINC
PRSENMRSE DPREHLDWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
AL-PRPPITXLYPPIYNCBE MGKSEWCDRCBRNSEPRSE
WLDRCBRNSE NTSSHENTXSE-CRSLE-CLTRSEWLDNCBE
ALWLDNCBETSMELRSERLSEURGLNEASNWLDNCBE
(NOPFSENLSRENCBE)NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
(TENETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
(FLRSEPQSEONDE71NCBE)
(CDNSEPRSEONSDE74NCBE)
(BRTSEPRSEONREDE75NCBE)
(TFNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSE TOTEWLDN1HLDNCBE)
(194WLD'SNCBE)(TRFXL)
 
2011-03-30 12:28:17 AM  
Lotta TE and SE going on there at the end of most words. Like pig latin.
 
2011-03-30 12:30:52 AM  
You know, if the feds have had it for 11 years and gotten nowhere, my money is on a one time pad. or two of them.
 
2011-03-30 12:42:19 AM  

lionfish: Other page:

(MNDMKNEARSE-N-S-M-KNARE)
TFRHENPINSENPBSERCBBNSENPRSEINC
PRSENMRSE DPREHLDWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
AL-PRPPITXLYPPIYNCBE MGKSEWCDRCBRNSEPRSE
WLDRCBRNSE NTSSHENTXSE-CRSLE-CLTRSEWLDNCBE
ALWLDNCBETSMELRSERLSEURGLNEASNWLDNCBE
(NOPFSENLSRENCBE)NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
(TENETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
(FLRSEPQSEONDE71NCBE)
(CDNSEPRSEONSDE74NCBE)
(BRTSEPRSEONREDE75NCBE)
(TFNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSE TOTEWLDN1HLDNCBE)
(194WLD'SNCBE)(TRFXL)


Thanks lion give me something to cypher on my downtime at work.
 
2011-03-30 12:45:23 AM  
Article unclear on whether these were the victims or the killers documents we are looking at.
 
2011-03-30 12:47:44 AM  

jimmyego: Article unclear on whether these were the victims or the killers documents we are looking at.


FTA: The only clues investigators recovered from the scene were two encrypted notes stuffed into the victim's pockets.

Good point. I think a normal person walks around with highly encrypted pieces of paper.
 
2011-03-30 12:48:35 AM  
HACK THE PLANET!

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2011-03-30 12:51:36 AM  
I think the most blatant part about the 2nd note is that it says "NOTE" right at the top of the page in clean form. Recently played Myst and Arkham asylum.
 
2011-03-30 12:51:54 AM  
Well, I rot-13'd it and got nothing, so I give up.
 
2011-03-30 12:52:01 AM  
Possibly anagramatic?
 
2011-03-30 12:52:39 AM  
that meant to say "NOTES" damn keyboard.
 
2011-03-30 12:54:58 AM  
I suspect the average Farker couldn't crack the code to a woman's bra, let alone this obscure encryption that the NSA can't break.
 
2011-03-30 01:20:28 AM  

lionfish: Other page:

(MNDMKNEARSE-N-S-M-KNARE)
TFRHENPINSENPBSERCBBNSENPRSEINC
PRSENMRSE DPREHLDWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
AL-PRPPITXLYPPIYNCBE MGKSEWCDRCBRNSEPRSE
WLDRCBRNSE NTSSHENTXSE-CRSLE-CLTRSEWLDNCBE
ALWLDNCBETSMELRSERLSEURGLNEASNWLDNCBE
(NOPFSENLSRENCBE)NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
(TENETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
(FLRSEPQSEONDE71NCBE)
(CDNSEPRSEONSDE74NCBE)
(BRTSEPRSEONREDE75NCBE)
(TFNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSE TOTEWLDN1HLDNCBE)
(194WLD'SNCBE)(TRFXL)


It doesn't have a normal letter distribution, which means that it's not a simple substitution cypher, which puts it beyond 99% of the Farkers out there (including myself).

Of course, if it was a simple substitution cypher, the FBI would have cracked it in about 2 seconds.

Apparently, the murder victim, according to other news articles I found, had spent his entire life tinkering with cryptography. But, he was a high school dropout.

So, either he was a savant or he created something that is made to look like a cypher but is just gibberish.
 
2011-03-30 01:30:41 AM  
Well, towards the middle of the page, one of the strings begins with TF. So obviously this is a person who has $5 a month to spend.
 
2011-03-30 01:35:18 AM  
Is there some reason the FBI can't get help from the NSA? One would think the NSA could brute force it if nothing else.
 
2011-03-30 02:20:09 AM  

SchlingFocker: lionfish: Other page:

(MNDMKNEARSE-N-S-M-KNARE)
TFRHENPINSENPBSERCBBNSENPRSEINC
PRSENMRSE DPREHLDWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
AL-PRPPITXLYPPIYNCBE MGKSEWCDRCBRNSEPRSE
WLDRCBRNSE NTSSHENTXSE-CRSLE-CLTRSEWLDNCBE
ALWLDNCBETSMELRSERLSEURGLNEASNWLDNCBE
(NOPFSENLSRENCBE)NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
(TENETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
(FLRSEPQSEONDE71NCBE)
(CDNSEPRSEONSDE74NCBE)
(BRTSEPRSEONREDE75NCBE)
(TFNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSE TOTEWLDN1HLDNCBE)
(194WLD'SNCBE)(TRFXL)

It doesn't have a normal letter distribution, which means that it's not a simple substitution cypher, which puts it beyond 99% of the Farkers out there (including myself).


Lots of repetition though (lines ending in NCBE, etc SEPRSEON)
my guess is gibberish.
 
2011-03-30 02:25:50 AM  
It says, 'ha, ha, this really isn't a secret message, im just messing with y'all'
 
2011-03-30 02:34:53 AM  
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2011-03-30 02:43:43 AM  

brainiac-dumdum: It says, 'ha, ha, this really isn't a secret message, im just messing with y'all'


Yeah, I'm thinking the same. He was probably killed in a random robbery and this is just his grocery list that he wrote in code for shiats and giggles.

NCBRTSENCBEING is probably LUNCHABLES
 
2011-03-30 02:56:40 AM  
Looks like there's a structure to it. Almost as if the first few groups of letters at the start of the first page were what you have to solve in order to work out the rest of it. Looks like it could be a key, just need to find what fits with it. Either that or it's some intermediary step, where you have to first figure out a cypher pass the letters through it, then pass them through a second step to actually figure out what it says.
 
2011-03-30 03:09:49 AM  
I just went through one of the pages counting characters, there's a fair spread of values, but it's not such a spread you could say offhand it's just random. And only two of the odd number counts aren't prime numbers.
 
2011-03-30 05:18:31 AM  
Far too many 'E's to represent any single letter - I suggest they might represent the space or delimiter between words
 
2011-03-30 05:29:14 AM  

luckyeddie: Far too many 'E's to represent any single letter - I suggest they might represent the space or delimiter between words


And or single letters are unimportant and adjacent letters are the important consideration.
 
2011-03-30 05:30:07 AM  
Is someone going to come tell us that reddit solved it three days ago?
 
2011-03-30 05:32:28 AM  
q appears twice - once followed by s once by c
 
2011-03-30 05:32:32 AM  

brainiac-dumdum: It says, 'ha, ha, this really isn't a secret message, im just messing with y'all'


That's what I thought after seeing the documentary about the Voynich Manuscript (see LordOfThePings xckd strip).
It was supposedly written by two guys who claimed to be alchemists. So of course they needed a spellbook that looked sufficiently mystical for performing bogus rituals.
It's not a code, it's a prop.
 
2011-03-30 05:32:49 AM  
maybe he was dyslexic
 
2011-03-30 05:33:47 AM  
second page, first line, last word "that"

duh
 
2011-03-30 05:36:15 AM  

ktybear: maybe he was dyslexic


That's an interesting thought. What happens with a code if one writing it was borderline illiterate to begin with? Perhaps a really bad speller, or talking in LOLcat
 
2011-03-30 05:36:35 AM  
x - 11 times; about half the time immediately followed by l, and a few more times with an l within a couple of letters
 
2011-03-30 05:36:44 AM  
Character counts for the first page (based on lionfishs posted text):

[ ] - 16
['] - 1
[(] - 3
[)] - 3
[-] - 11
[.] - 2
[/] - 1
[A] - 6
- 12
[C] - 17
[D] - 11
[E] - 72
[F] - 2
[G] - 3
[H] - 4
- 3
[K] - 10
[L] - 27
[M] - 19
[N] - 40
[O] - 6
[P] - 13
[R] - 33
[S] - 61
[T] - 25
- 9
[V] - 3
[W] - 7
[X] - 6
[Z] - 1
[1] - 4
[2] - 5
[3] - 3
[4] - 3
[5] - 4
[6] - 5
[7] - 2
[8] - 1
[9] - 3


Second page:

[ ] - 5
['] - 1
[(] - 10
[)] - 10
[-] - 7
[A] - 5
- 21
[C] - 26
[D] - 19
[E] - 60
[F] - 8
[G] - 4
[H] - 4
- 5
[K] - 3
[L] - 24
[M] - 9
[N] - 46
[O] - 6
[P] - 16
[Q] - 2
[R] - 32
[S] - 36
[T] - 17
- 3
[W] - 8
[X] - 5
[Y] - 2
[1] - 3
[4] - 2
[5] - 1
[7] - 3
[9] - 1


And overall:

[ ] - 21
['] - 2
[(] - 13
[)] - 13
[-] - 18
[.] - 2
[/] - 1
[A] - 11
- 33
[C] - 43
[D] - 30
[E] - 132
[F] - 10
[G] - 7
[H] - 8
- 8
[K] - 13
[L] - 51
[M] - 28
[N] - 86
[O] - 12
[P] - 29
[Q] - 2
[R] - 65
[S] - 97
[T] - 42
- 12
[V] - 3
[W] - 15
[X] - 11
[Y] - 2
[Z] - 1
[1] - 7
[2] - 5
[3] - 3
[4] - 5
[5] - 5
[6] - 5
[7] - 5
[8] - 1
[9] - 4
 
2011-03-30 05:38:30 AM  
What if it's not based on English?
 
2011-03-30 05:38:36 AM  
Oh yikes. When did Fark start accepting BB-Code?
 
2011-03-30 05:38:36 AM  
It could be a bit crazy, but maybe he's using a weird substitution per line?

Like using the telephone for randomizing numbers with letters. I've used that before, with PIN Numbers. Example: fark = 3275 = dapj. But on the second line it could be ebqk, 3rd fcrl, 4th dbrj.

Could even be he's using an ABC keyboard to a qwerty keyboard design in his writing, but that would be easy to break.
 
2011-03-30 05:39:34 AM  
"rse" appears 20 times
 
2011-03-30 05:40:51 AM  
If anyone has/wants to write a Win64/MPI distributed decryption algorithm, I may be able to get time on a midsized hpc environment. PM to chat further.
 
2011-03-30 05:41:59 AM  
"se" about 70 times
 
2011-03-30 05:43:04 AM  
Mods (if anyone sees this) please delete the first attempt at this above....

Letter counts based on lionfishs text:

First Page:
( ) - 16
(') - 1
(() - 3
()) - 3
(-) - 11
(.) - 2
(/) - 1
(A) - 6
(B) - 12
(C) - 17
(D) - 11
(E) - 72
(F) - 2
(G) - 3
(H) - 4
(I) - 3
(K) - 10
(L) - 27
(M) - 19
(N) - 40
(O) - 6
(P) - 13
(R) - 33
(S) - 61
(T) - 25
(U) - 9
(V) - 3
(W) - 7
(X) - 6
(Z) - 1
(1) - 4
(2) - 5
(3) - 3
(4) - 3
(5) - 4
(6) - 5
(7) - 2
(8) - 1
(9) - 3

Second Page:
( ) - 5
(') - 1
(() - 10
()) - 10
(-) - 7
(A) - 5
(B) - 21
(C) - 26
(D) - 19
(E) - 60
(F) - 8
(G) - 4
(H) - 4
(I) - 5
(K) - 3
(L) - 24
(M) - 9
(N) - 46
(O) - 6
(P) - 16
(Q) - 2
(R) - 32
(S) - 36
(T) - 17
(U) - 3
(W) - 8
(X) - 5
(Y) - 2
(1) - 3
(4) - 2
(5) - 1
(7) - 3
(9) - 1

Combined:
( ) - 21
(') - 2
(() - 13
()) - 13
(-) - 18
(.) - 2
(/) - 1
(A) - 11
(B) - 33
(C) - 43
(D) - 30
(E) - 132
(F) - 10
(G) - 7
(H) - 8
(I) - 8
(K) - 13
(L) - 51
(M) - 28
(N) - 86
(O) - 12
(P) - 29
(Q) - 2
(R) - 65
(S) - 97
(T) - 42
(U) - 12
(V) - 3
(W) - 15
(X) - 11
(Y) - 2
(Z) - 1
(1) - 7
(2) - 5
(3) - 3
(4) - 5
(5) - 5
(6) - 5
(7) - 5
(8) - 1
(9) - 4
 
2011-03-30 05:44:44 AM  
"se" = "space"?

be appears about 20 times
 
2011-03-30 05:45:31 AM  

Vodka Zombie: "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."


Hi /.'er!
 
2011-03-30 05:45:43 AM  
Oh, no way!

Colonel Mustard, in the library, with the candlestick...
 
2011-03-30 05:47:49 AM  
un 5 times in 1st, 3 times with m in front, none in 2nd,
 
2011-03-30 05:48:42 AM  

Schlock: ktybear: maybe he was dyslexic

That's an interesting thought. What happens with a code if one writing it was borderline illiterate to begin with? Perhaps a really bad speller, or talking in LOLcat


I'm dyslexic, slightly. When I look at the written notes ( not the typed version ) I can see words that are missing vowels, and words back to front ( sort of ) and it's hard to keep looking at it. Mind you it could be a bit of both, code and weird spelling/syntax etc
 
2011-03-30 05:50:07 AM  
Relative frequencies of letters in the English language
Letter↓ Frequency↓
a 8.167%
b 1.492%
c 2.782%
d 4.253%
e 12.702%
f 2.228%
g 2.015%
h 6.094%
i 6.966%
j 0.153%
k 0.772%
l 4.025%
m 2.406%
n 6.749%
o 7.507%
p 1.929%
q 0.095%
r 5.987%
s 6.327%
t 9.056%
u 2.758%
v 0.978%
w 2.360%
x 0.150%
y 1.974%
z 0.074%
_ 6.378%
 
2011-03-30 05:50:52 AM  
"sen" 15 times
 
2011-03-30 05:51:02 AM  
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2011-03-30 05:51:58 AM  

BLIXX: Good point. I think a normal person walks around with highly encrypted pieces of paper.


Absolutely.

It's my list of passwords hidden in a word find.
 
2011-03-30 05:52:14 AM  
Since there is history mentioned of school problems, victim may have written what was readable to him. If he had some combination of dyslexia and another processing disorder, this may have been this guy's rough draft on solving time travel. One of my kids writes gibberish all the time, but can immediately decipher it to anyone. Even weeks or months later. Maybe I'll show this to him and see what happens.
 
2011-03-30 05:54:20 AM  

21-7-b: "se" = "space"?

be appears about 20 times


SE is the most frequent two letter combination at 69 occurrences, BE clocks in at 18.
 
2011-03-30 05:57:37 AM  
Dear God, it's Obama's birth certificate.
 
2011-03-30 06:00:30 AM  
line endings

ERTE
FRTSE
EWLD NCBE
STSMEXL
DULMT6TUNSE NCBEXC
MUNARSE)
MKSEN-MRSE
NMBSE)
REBKNSE
RTRSE
TKEDKRSE PSESHLE
CTRS NMRE
SENBSE
WLDNCBE (3XORL)
SRCRBNE
CBEAVXL'R
MUNDPLSE
D-W-M14HIL XDRLX

-KNARE)
PRSEINC
DWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
CBRNSEPRSE
SEWLDNCBE
SNWLDNCBE
CURERCBRNE
(TENETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
DE71NCBE)
SDE74NCBE)
REDE75NCBE)
WLDN1HLDNCBE)
SNCBE)(TRFXL)
 
2011-03-30 06:03:34 AM  
"wld" 11 times
 
2011-03-30 06:04:42 AM  
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2011-03-30 06:08:07 AM  
maybe those are just his PGP encryption keys...
 
2011-03-30 06:08:33 AM  
There are dates and quantities in the second note, just a shorthand version and his own language I think. The more I look at the written notes the more it seems readable. On the first note I can see how the last few grouped lined could refer to objects posted on a certain date in a certain way or weight. I don't think it's a cypher in the true sense.
 
2011-03-30 06:09:12 AM  

Witchyman: Dear God, it's Obama's birth certificate.


I lol'd
 
2011-03-30 06:09:46 AM  
Counting Alpha (regular letters, A-Z) characters per line shows both even and odd lengths. Total line lengths also even and odd. There goes easy indication that its a 2:1 process per letter.

I'd put money on it being something mundane and getting cracked 20 years from now by some nerd after seeing it on the history channel.
 
2011-03-30 06:10:03 AM  
Let's crack this code and find a murderer.

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2011-03-30 06:11:46 AM  

NkThrasher: Counting Alpha (regular letters, A-Z) characters per line shows both even and odd lengths. Total line lengths also even and odd. There goes easy indication that its a 2:1 process per letter.

I'd put money on it being something mundane and getting cracked 20 years from now by some nerd after seeing it on the history channel.


yeah...there is too much structure in it for it to be a true code
 
2011-03-30 06:18:39 AM  
not really any double letters on page 1, a few on page 2 at the start, including gddmn

last lines of 2

(TENETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
(FLRSEPQSEONDE71NCBE)
(CDNSEPRSEONSDE74NCBE)
(BRTSEPRSEONREDE75NCBE)
 
2011-03-30 06:21:14 AM  

21-7-b: not really any double letters on page 1, a few on page 2 at the start, including gddmn

last lines of 2

(TENETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
(FLRSEPQSEONDE71NCBE)
(CDNSEPRSEONSDE74NCBE)
(BRTSEPRSEONREDE75NCBE)


yeah...this is not cypto...this is shorthand
 
2011-03-30 06:22:38 AM  
If you guys read the comments, someone has already solved it.

/writer suffered from dyslexia and mental illness
 
2011-03-30 06:23:03 AM  
The parentheses may indicate a different set of rules apply within them, but given that they always appear open->close on a given line and are never nested they seem to be structural instead of informational on their own.

Lines 9 - 11 (OOOH CONSPIRACY!!!!) of page 2 are interesting. All ending in DE7*NCBE, containing SEP*SEON and incrementing line length one per line.
 
2011-03-30 06:23:35 AM  
It's a "To Do" list that Drew wrote after he finished the whole bottle.
 
2011-03-30 06:23:45 AM  
ncbe - 16 times, 6 or 7 after "wld"
 
2011-03-30 06:23:50 AM  
Tip for the one that sends in an answer: have a good alibi.
 
2011-03-30 06:25:23 AM  
D-WLD-NC-BE(TFXLFTCXL-NC-BE)
CBRNSEPR-SE
SE-WLD-NC--BE
SN-WLD---NC--BE
CURERCBR--NE----
(TENETFR----NE-NCBR-TSE-NC-BE-ING)
DE71---NC--BE)
S-DE74--NC--BE)
RE-DE75--NC--BE)
WL-----D--N1-HLD NC--BE)
-------------------SNCBE)------(TRFXL)
 
2011-03-30 06:33:23 AM  

miss diminutive: this is just his grocery list that he wrote in code for shiats and giggles.

NCBRTSENCBEING is probably LUNCHABLES


I LOL'd XD
 
2011-03-30 06:37:47 AM  
The two pages have different MD5sums. Not that I expected them not to, it just would have been way too cool if they had to pass up checking.

That would be an awesome prank though. Two pages of mostly gibberish with a few similarities to make them seem connected generated to have the same MD5sum and planted at a crime scene.

Tachikoma: If you guys read the comments, someone has already solved it.

/writer suffered from dyslexia and mental illness


That decoding reminds me of Maddox's dollar folding gag.

Not that its any less valid than the tinkering we're doing.
 
2011-03-30 06:40:45 AM  
It's funny to go through all the posts from the beginning and to see they seem, for most, on par with what I'm thinking.

I did a google search for a part of the code and there are only two pages coming up, Fark and these guys

It looks like they're already unto something. Maybe with the collective brains + the power of Fark this will be done by tonight?
 
2011-03-30 06:42:44 AM  
Whoa, this thread is awesome. Good luck, guys.
 
2011-03-30 06:57:11 AM  
You know, the grammar is apt to be terrible. Either to disguise him or to further fark with code-crackers.
 
2011-03-30 06:59:53 AM  
Drawing from the Yahoo comments and the thread Dancis_Frake linked, NCBE could well represent a noun and WLD a person or group. The last line of the non-"NOTES" page has "WLD'S NCBE", non alpha-characters seem to be rare enough that they could well represent themselves instead of part of a code or shorthand. WLD appears rather frequently in the text, and could represent a person or group, making NCBE something that belongs to WLD in the context of that line.
 
2011-03-30 07:02:51 AM  
upload.wikimedia.orgView Full Size
 
2011-03-30 07:03:01 AM  
KLSE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE

It's a Microsoft Office product code.

RIght after 84.5, it looks like it says "Zune."

I KNEW Bill Gates was behind this.
 
2011-03-30 07:07:08 AM  
Glenn Beck Rape And Murderd A Young Girl In 1990 I have the semen stained panties in postal box 257 at the corner of main and derp st.

Now we just have to find what main and derp st they are talking about and we can solve 2 murders. I've sent this into the FBI. My alibi is i was playing wow.
 
2011-03-30 07:12:44 AM  

lionfish: VLSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE


Visa ####-####-####-####... obvs a credit card number.
 
2011-03-30 07:13:53 AM  
Link (new window)

Related?
 
2011-03-30 07:14:11 AM  
With the exception of A, H, I and O the distribution of letters matches the general trends of the listing mr lawson posted rather nicely. Graph treats the letter as its numeric value (A = 1, Z = 26), red is the text, blue is mr lawsons list:

i142.photobucket.comView Full Size


( Link to Graph )
 
2011-03-30 07:15:47 AM  
I've not read all 4000 comments on the Yahoo site, but it appears the guy had a mental illness so the notes are probably for the most part just ramblings. What they might do is reveal what he was up to and where he was in the time before his murder, and if the FBI can determine that it may point to someone who he crossed paths with who is a suspect.
So if the note says something like "went to the library Friday at 14:00 to take a book back" and they have a suspect who was seen around the library at that time, there's an avenue of investigation to follow up.
 
2011-03-30 07:24:03 AM  
ALPNTE=GL==SE-======SE=ER=TE
VLSE=MT=====SE-CTSE-W=SE-FR=TSE
PNRTR=SE=ONDR=SE=====WLD=NC===BE
NWLDZLR====CMSPNE=====WLD===STSMEXL
DULMT6TUN=======SE=========NC===BEXC
(MUNSAISTE=NMUNARSE)
================KLSE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE
=============(SAE6NSE====================SENMBSE)
NMNRCBRN============SEP===TE2PTEWSREBKNSE
26MLSE=============74SPRK==SE29KENOSO===LE173RTRSE
356LE CLGSEOUNUTKEDKRSE PSESHLE

651MTCSEHTLSENCUTCTRS NMRE

99.84.5
5UNEPLSENCRSEADLTSENSKSENBSE

NSREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3XORL)

NMSENRSEIN2NTRLERCBRNSENTSRCRBNE

LSPNSENGSPSEMKSEKBSEPCBEAVXL'R

HMCRENMREFCBE 1/2MUNDPLSE

D-W-M14HIL XDRLX

(MNDMKNEARSE-N-S-M-KNARE)
TFRHENPINSENPBSERCBBNSENPRSEINC
PRSENMRSE DPREHLDWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
AL-PRPPITXLYPPIYNCBE MGKSEWCDRCBRNSEPRSE
WLDRCBRNSE NTSSHENTXSE-CRSLE-CLTRSEWLDNCBE
ALWLDNCBETSMELRSERLSEURGLNEASNWLDNCBE
(NOPFSENLSRENCBE)NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
(TENETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
(FLR=SEPQ=SEON=DE71=NCBE)
(CDN=SEPR=SEON=SDE74=NCBE)
(BRT=SEPR=SEON=REDE75=NCBE)
(TFNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSE TOTEWLDN1HLDNCBE)
(194WLD'SNCBE)(TRFXL)
 
2011-03-30 07:27:52 AM  

jimmyego: Article unclear on whether these were the victims or the killers documents we are looking at.


One of the comments at the link said that the notes were written by the deceased man. It said he had dropped out of school, was not known to be gifted, and had been writing notes to himself like this since he was a kid.
 
2011-03-30 07:29:47 AM  
I wish it was a weekend, I'd have time for this.
 
2011-03-30 07:30:07 AM  

haterade69: lionfish: VLSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE

Visa ####-####-####-####... obvs a credit card number.


Well, if so then at least it's PCI-DSS Compliant.
 
2011-03-30 07:30:18 AM  

shijjiri: ALPNTE=GL==SE-======SE=ER=TE
VLSE=MT=====SE-CTSE-W=SE-FR=TSE
PNRTR=SE=ONDR=SE=====WLD=NC===BE
NWLDZLR====CMSPNE=====WLD===STSMEXL
DULMT6TUN=======SE=========NC===BEXC
(MUNSAISTE=NMUNARSE)
================KLSE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE
=============(SAE6NSE====================SENMBSE)
NMNRCBRN============SEP===TE2PTEWSREBKNSE
26MLSE=============74SPRK==SE29KENOSO===LE173RTRSE
356LE CLGSEOUNUTKEDKRSE PSESHLE

651MTCSEHTLSENCUTCTRS NMRE

99.84.5 5UNEPLSENCRSEADLTSENSKSENBSE

NSREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3XORL)

NMSENRSEIN2NTRLERCBRNSENTSRCRBNE

LSPNSENGSPSEMKSEKBSEPCBEAVXL'R

HMCRENMREFCBE 1/2MUNDPLSE

D-W-M14HIL XDRLX

(MNDMKNEARSE-N-S-M-KNARE)
TFRHENPINSENPBSERCBBNSENPRSEINC
PRSENMRSE DPREHLDWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
AL-PRPPITXLYPPIYNCBE MGKSEWCDRCBRNSEPRSE
WLDRCBRNSE NTSSHENTXSE-CRSLE-CLTRSEWLDNCBE
ALWLDNCBETSMELRSERLSEURGLNEASNWLDNCBE
(NOPFSENLSRENCBE)NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
(TENETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
(FLR=SEPQ=SEON=DE71=NCBE)
(CDN=SEPR=SEON=SDE74=NCBE)
(BRT=SEPR=SEON=REDE75=NCBE)
(TFNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSE TOTEWLDN1HLDNCBE)
(194WLD'SNCBE)(TRFXL)


*slaps forehead*

Of course!
 
2011-03-30 07:30:29 AM  
FLDSMDFR!

But it looks like something from \b\
 
2011-03-30 07:32:30 AM  
I feel like a Fark-Failure for not pointing out that this is probably a draft of an email to send to Strongbad.
 
2011-03-30 07:35:08 AM  

doglover: Did you ever notice how cryptology died with the invention of the computer?


No it didn't.

Sure, we call security algorithms cryptology, but it's not the same as it was in the 1800's when people were bored enough to try and crack those codes by hand.


Some of us are still bored enough.

And why would a murderer actually leave a clue to help the cops in the encrypted message anyway? What fun is that?


That's pretty simple, really: So that they can feel superior. Smarter than the cops.
 
2011-03-30 07:35:51 AM  

Andromeda: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Anyone consider it might just be random letters and numbers?

My exact thought. If I were ever going to leave a note at a crime scene I'd just deliberately put in a fake string to mess with people.


No no no. They just salted it.

Now, guessing that it had something to do with a personal issue you can usually think about things regarding "love" (yes, yes, most "romantic love" is really just misguided lust) but most likely betrayal, while there is still the chance it had something to do with drugs.

Sticking with the betrayal slant, I used the salt key "traitor" and reversed the hash function to discove that the resulting phrase consisted of 8 characters:
THE GAME

 
2011-03-30 07:41:09 AM  
wldncbe

appears at least 5 times

wouldn't c(see) b e?
 
2011-03-30 07:42:13 AM  
Well, 4chan is on the case...so it's only a matter of time.
 
2011-03-30 07:44:08 AM  

Asa Phelps: You know, if the feds have had it for 11 years and gotten nowhere, my money is on a one time pad. or two of them.


Based on Lionfish's transliteration and NkThrasher's letter counts, I'm pretty confident it isn't a one time pad. The letter distribution would be *MUCH* flatter.

/Generate my own OTP's using 10-sided dice.
//Much faster than the "pull Scrabble tiles from a bag" method.
 
2011-03-30 07:46:34 AM  
anyone got any family details?
 
2011-03-30 07:48:17 AM  

Vodka Zombie: "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."


A crumby commercial! Son of a Biatch!
 
2011-03-30 07:48:28 AM  

xelnia: Well, 4chan is on the case...so it's only a matter of time.


They simply have more time on their hands than anyone else.
 
2011-03-30 07:51:08 AM  
I don't know why but when I read this:

(194WLD'SNCBE)(TRFXL)

What jumped out at me was "19(6)4 World's Fair"

WLD'SNCBE actually repeats from earlier int he text:

TRSEWLDNCBE

So I thought that maybe NCBE means some oinstructions like " go back wards 2 characters, and put in OR"

( however that doesn't work for any other case that I can see so it must not mean "OR explicitly even if WLDS means "WORLD"

Seems like in general there are alot of words in here missing vowels.
 
2011-03-30 07:54:50 AM  
A couple of pieces of paper with badly scrawled gibberish on them? Sounds like signs from a teabagger rally to me. It's probably something about socialist muslins trying to take our precious moneys away.
 
2011-03-30 08:00:12 AM  
I've cracked the first line...

"Dumb things I gotta do."

Then something about dumping a body.
 
2011-03-30 08:00:32 AM  
Someone put together some algorithms and I'll run this through my render farm...
 
2011-03-30 08:03:46 AM  

danny_kay: shijjiri:
*slaps forehead*

Of course!



AL==WLD==NCBE==TSMELRSE==RLSE==URGLNE==ASN==WLD==NCBE
 
2011-03-30 08:04:27 AM  
It's random, or it's a one time pad. It's not solvable.
 
2011-03-30 08:04:45 AM  
"rolls eyes" This is so easy...It says Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990. Duh!
 
2011-03-30 08:09:30 AM  

unicron702: It's random, or it's a one time pad. It's not solvable.


It's letter distributions disagree with you on both counts.
 
2011-03-30 08:12:51 AM  

NkThrasher: unicron702: It's random, or it's a one time pad. It's not solvable.

It's letter distributions disagree with you on both counts.


We have to assume the author speaks English for obvious reasons. It can still be random and follow some type of pattern and still be gibberish.
 
2011-03-30 08:14:19 AM  

unicron702: It's random, or it's a one time pad. It's not solvable.


L -- Adjoin
S -- Start group
X -- Transformer
A -- Identifier
E -- Terminate group

U, R, G, O, W, D, K, U, M, T, C -- Recipients?
 
2011-03-30 08:14:50 AM  
"DRINK MORE OVALTINE"
 
2011-03-30 08:17:01 AM  

unicron702: NkThrasher: unicron702: It's random, or it's a one time pad. It's not solvable.

It's letter distributions disagree with you on both counts.

We have to assume the author speaks English for obvious reasons. It can still be random and follow some type of pattern and still be gibberish.


what we know about this guy suggests otherwise. His family says he invented a code when he was a boy and used it to write down info.

Looks like the sample is too small to crack the code though.
 
2011-03-30 08:17:16 AM  
looking at the actual notes, there's a bunch of lines one after another in parentheses

it might be a stretch, but they could be a list

5th line from the end could mean at the start "first person"
4th line from the end could mean at the start "second person"
 
2011-03-30 08:19:14 AM  

aardwolf37: I'm not entirely sure, but I think that may be a windows 8 product key.


yup
 
2011-03-30 08:20:07 AM  

unicron702: NkThrasher: unicron702: It's random, or it's a one time pad. It's not solvable.

It's letter distributions disagree with you on both counts.

We have to assume the author speaks English for obvious reasons. It can still be random and follow some type of pattern


No. If it follows some kind of pattern, it's not random.

and still be gibberish.


No argument here, however.

/Feeling pedantic today.
 
2011-03-30 08:21:12 AM  

unicron702: NkThrasher: unicron702: It's random, or it's a one time pad. It's not solvable.

It's letter distributions disagree with you on both counts.

We have to assume the author speaks English for obvious reasons. It can still be random and follow some type of pattern and still be gibberish.


The fact that its letter distributions follow the distribution of letters in English so closely indicates that it's not random in letter selection, potentially could be randomized in letter arrangement however. So a one time card (or other pattern) of letter shuffling instructions could explain it, but doing that by hand would be rather labor intensive, and wouldn't explain the parenthesis.
 
2011-03-30 08:22:29 AM  
I remember the story of some amateur who had deciphered one of the Zodiac's letters. The zodiac had used different cyphers for the letter 'e' within the same letters + poor spelling + mistakes in the cyphering which turned the task into a mindfark.

Might be the same thing here.
 
2011-03-30 08:22:38 AM  
ALWLD -- I will ?
 
2011-03-30 08:22:54 AM  
They're directions.

I 71, I 74, and I 75 all converge in Cincinnati.
 
2011-03-30 08:23:47 AM  
re-reading it, i think "person" could crop up right through it
 
2011-03-30 08:23:56 AM  
A child of five could understand this. Somebody fetch a child of five.
 
2011-03-30 08:24:22 AM  
Looking at this, I am seeing patterns that don't normally exist in English, but do exist in other languages. If the page is read from right to left instead of left to right, the SE could be substituted for the arabic A and L, which have a similar distribution in the language (being the arab version of the definite article).

I would have assumed they would have cross checked other languages for similar substitution but I wonder how hard they were actually working to figure it out. I can't imagine one death would put two cryptic pages at the front of the NSA/FBI's priority list.
 
2011-03-30 08:27:06 AM  
Just read it with your best Bill Cosby voice and it will all become clear.
 
2011-03-30 08:27:47 AM  
Maybe the guy needed killing. Has anybody thought of this?

/psst..check if A=B and B=C, etc.
 
2011-03-30 08:28:11 AM  

Sangus: Looking at this, I am seeing patterns that don't normally exist in English, but do exist in other languages. If the page is read from right to left instead of left to right, the SE could be substituted for the arabic A and L, which have a similar distribution in the language (being the arab version of the definite article).

I would have assumed they would have cross checked other languages for similar substitution but I wonder how hard they were actually working to figure it out. I can't imagine one death would put two cryptic pages at the front of the NSA/FBI's priority list.


I agree with you. I think this leans on lending meaning in components. Try reading part of it like old Hebrew/Arabic without any vowels

AL==WLD==NCBE==TSMELRSE==RLSE==URGLNE==ASN==WLD==NCBE

L WLD NCB TSM LRS RLS RGLN SN WLD NCB
 
2011-03-30 08:28:51 AM  
k, there's a problem with the transcrption from
lionfish:

We don't know for sure that it's not case-sensitive.
for example the first line:

ALPNTE GLSE-SE ERtE

should be
ALPNTE GLSE-SE ERTE

followed by
VLSE mTSE-CTSE-wSE-FRTSE
not
VLSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE

It's a bit odd that 'm' is always lower-case, but since 't' is sometimes capitalized, and sometimes not, means that it's worth considering.
OTOH, I'm also going to agree with FlyingLizardOfDoom: : It's probably just random characters, from a lunatic who wants to feel like noone can break his gibberish code; but if you guys still wanna give it a try, good luck.
 
2011-03-30 08:29:02 AM  
Maggie Simpson Did It. Eh, I was close enough.

From comments section: Alejandra said:
Just an observation: many of the people who have commented seem to assume that the notes were written by the killer - they were not. The notes were written by the VICTIM, Ricky McCormick. His family confirmed that McCormick has been writing notes similar to these since he was a young man, but none of them knows what the notes mean or how to decipher them. McCormick, btw, had a modest education (never finished high school), had no background in mathematics or logic, and as far as I know, wasn't intellectually gifted. The code is most likely something very personal. The FBI is hoping that deciphering the notes gives them an idea of McCormick's whereabouts and activities during the days immediately prior to his death. I found these details at the FBI website and thought they might be useful to those of you who are trying to decipher the notes.
 
2011-03-30 08:30:00 AM  
That reads like dictation from Helen Keller.
 
2011-03-30 08:30:20 AM  
FTA: "Despite extensive work by our Cryptanalysis and Racketeering Records Unit (CRRU), as well as help from the American Cryptogram Association..."


I'd like to subscribe to their monthly newsletter just to piss off my mailman.

"1X29B XPLDBT XXX TYBBT, St. Louis, MO? What the?..."
 
2011-03-30 08:30:36 AM  
Looks like when I printed out a copy of my thesis and someone had taken the daisy wheel out of the printer and rotated it so all the letters came out wrong. Yeah, that was a long time ago (1987).
 
2011-03-30 08:30:53 AM  

TheGogmagog: Maggie Simpson Did It. Eh, I was close enough.

From comments section: Alejandra said:
Just an observation: many of the people who have commented seem to assume that the notes were written by the killer - they were not. The notes were written by the VICTIM, Ricky McCormick. His family confirmed that McCormick has been writing notes similar to these since he was a young man, but none of them knows what the notes mean or how to decipher them. McCormick, btw, had a modest education (never finished high school), had no background in mathematics or logic, and as far as I know, wasn't intellectually gifted. The code is most likely something very personal. The FBI is hoping that deciphering the notes gives them an idea of McCormick's whereabouts and activities during the days immediately prior to his death. I found these details at the FBI website and thought they might be useful to those of you who are trying to decipher the notes.


That doesn't mean I don't want to crack Rainman's code!
 
2011-03-30 08:31:24 AM  
I hate to be a wet blanket, but seriously... Farkers really aren't smart enough to do much besides make some funny photoshop pictures.

Slashdot? Sure. They have a chance.

Fark? Yeah, whatever.
 
2011-03-30 08:32:06 AM  
"Here may be found..."...the last words of Joseph of Arimathea:"'He who is valiant and pure of spirit..."'...may find the Holy Grail..."'...in the Castle of Aaargh."'
 
2011-03-30 08:32:33 AM  
oops: I meant
ALPNTE GLSE-SE ERTE

shoulde be:
ALPNTE GLSE-SE ERtE
 
2011-03-30 08:33:01 AM  

historycat: They're directions.

I 71, I 74, and I 75 all converge in Cincinnati.


That's pretty damned convenient and interesting.
 
2011-03-30 08:33:41 AM  

NkThrasher: unicron702: NkThrasher: unicron702: It's random, or it's a one time pad. It's not solvable.

It's letter distributions disagree with you on both counts.

We have to assume the author speaks English for obvious reasons. It can still be random and follow some type of pattern and still be gibberish.

The fact that its letter distributions follow the distribution of letters in English so closely indicates that it's not random in letter selection, potentially could be randomized in letter arrangement however. So a one time card (or other pattern) of letter shuffling instructions could explain it, but doing that by hand would be rather labor intensive, and wouldn't explain the parenthesis.


Has anyone thought of the possibility of a simple monoalphabetic substitution (which would explain the very English-like frequency counts), combined with some form of transposition?

That would be relatively easy to do by hand, it would account for the letter distribution, and if the transposition scheme was goofy enough, explain why it hasn't been decrypted yet.
 
2011-03-30 08:34:37 AM  
...Considering the allegedly limited intellectual prowess of the victim, perhaps they're diphthongs?
 
2011-03-30 08:34:53 AM  
I just tried ALL of those windows keys and NONE of them worked!

This is the WORST torrent site EVER!
 
2011-03-30 08:35:39 AM  

NkThrasher: historycat: They're directions.

I 71, I 74, and I 75 all converge in Cincinnati.

That's pretty damned convenient and interesting.


OK, I got it:

"Baby, if you ever wondered,
Wondered, whatever became of me
I'm living on the air in Cincinnati..."
 
2011-03-30 08:35:39 AM  
99.84.55

* ISP: SBC Internet Services
* Organization: SBC Internet Services
* Hosted in: United States
* 1 Hosts on this IP address
 
2011-03-30 08:36:38 AM  
Also, let's assume it's a simple substitution but the guy couldn't spell for crap and/or had horrible grammar? We'd be up shiat's creek.
 
2011-03-30 08:36:57 AM  

shijjiri: ...Considering the allegedly limited intellectual prowess of the victim, perhaps they're diphthongs?


You leave sirenia out of this.
 
2011-03-30 08:37:22 AM  

unicron702: It's random, or it's a one time pad. It's not solvable.


Or the sample size is too small for statistical analysis.

Hell, it could be random keys for encryption (PGP, etc.) and not actual messages.

And why are you all just posting letter counts? You'll want some digraph and trigraph counts as well, but I don't have time right now.
 
2011-03-30 08:38:06 AM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Anyone consider it might just be random letters and numbers?


Except for the one apostrophe. That is what got me.
 
2011-03-30 08:38:21 AM  

cassanovascotian: k, there's a problem with the transcrption from
lionfish:

We don't know for sure that it's not case-sensitive.
for example the first line:

ALPNTE GLSE-SE ERtE

should be
ALPNTE GLSE-SE ERTE

followed by
VLSE mTSE-CTSE-wSE-FRTSE
not
VLSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE

It's a bit odd that 'm' is always lower-case, but since 't' is sometimes capitalized, and sometimes not, means that it's worth considering.
OTOH, I'm also going to agree with FlyingLizardOfDoom: : It's probably just random characters, from a lunatic who wants to feel like noone can break his gibberish code; but if you guys still wanna give it a try, good luck.


So my hand writing is absolutely terrible, I was definitely born to type. When I'm not paying attention to my writing some letters tend to always be capitalized (N, M, and T), if I'm paying attention to it they tend not to be however. If I were attempting to apply a complicated letter arrangement cypher I get the feeling I would oscillate between the two states without much predictability.

Not that any of that discounts your case sensitivity point. But the letter distribution as compared to English does still make it seem less likely to be letter substitution and more likely to be letter arrangement.
 
2011-03-30 08:40:27 AM  
WTF? LOL!!
 
2011-03-30 08:41:24 AM  
"Skinnyhead is an alt"
 
2011-03-30 08:42:37 AM  

mycatisposter: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Anyone consider it might just be random letters and numbers?

Except for the one apostrophe. That is what got me.


Apparently WLD owns something. Anyone consider these are directions that the guy wrote out for the murderer and thus gave him motive for the killing. Cause I know if I was lost and some smart ass wrote directions down like this for me, I'd be a little peeved.
 
2011-03-30 08:44:26 AM  

Wonko Fortytwo: 99.84.55

* ISP: SBC Internet Services
* Organization: SBC Internet Services
* Hosted in: United States
* 1 Hosts on this IP address


99.84.5 5UNEPLSENCRSEADLTSENSKSENBSE

99.84.5...Sonnie, please encrypt the adult-sensitive sex stuff, its embarrassing.
 
2011-03-30 08:46:14 AM  

Sid_6.7: unicron702: It's random, or it's a one time pad. It's not solvable.

Or the sample size is too small for statistical analysis.

Hell, it could be random keys for encryption (PGP, etc.) and not actual messages.

And why are you all just posting letter counts? You'll want some digraph and trigraph counts as well, but I don't have time right now.


I did letter pair counts in the same script that I did the single letter counts with, didn't bother doing three letter sets. Distribution was pretty ugly and the list was ridiculously long. I stopped going down that route when I made that graph and saw the English like distribution of the single letters.

dittybopper: Has anyone thought of the possibility of a simple monoalphabetic substitution (which would explain the very English-like frequency counts), combined with some form of transposition?

That would be relatively easy to do by hand, it would account for the letter distribution, and if the transposition scheme was goofy enough, explain why it hasn't been decrypted yet.


So, uh, I'm not really a crypto-nerd, I'm just a nerd that likes puzzles and knows how to do string manipulation in PHP so I can easily parse a lot of text at once.

My ten second adventure on Wikipedia ( monoalphabetic cipher ) would seem to still disagree with that cipher being used based on the distribution. The graph I made represents the frequency of each letter in sequence compared between mr lawsons table and the letter count based on lionfishs raw text. So unless the substitution is based on swapping out letters of similar frequency (and the odd missing non-e vowels), I don't see this as substitution as much as rearranging.
 
2011-03-30 08:47:56 AM  
LRSERLSE

historycat: They're directions.

I 71, I 74, and I 75 all converge in Cincinnati.


OK, those are all preceded by DE's:

(FLR=SEPQ=SEON=DE71=NCBE)
(CDN=SEPR=SEON=SDE74=NCBE)
(BRT=SEPR=SEON=REDE75=NCBE)


Does DE stand in for I? Perhaps in some kind of square with D being one coordinate and E being the other?

/Just throwing crap out there, seeing what sticks.
 
2011-03-30 08:48:28 AM  

NkThrasher: the letter distribution as compared to English does still make it seem less likely to be letter substitution and more likely to be letter arrangement.


true.
I just noticed the (ALSM) at the top right corner of the first page (missing from the transcription). That's usually where someone would put a date right? Then it would seem plausible that there's some degree of number-letter substitution going on.
does the article say when the note was found?
 
2011-03-30 08:49:42 AM  
It's the random scribblings of a raving lunatic.

What do I win?
 
2011-03-30 08:49:54 AM  
mikaloyd: fascinating case, the Taman Shud one.

If this guy hadn't used numbers, I would've suggested a Vigenere cipher, but even if that were the case, we'd still need the keyword.

On a side note, does anyone have a link to an article about the case itself?
 
2011-03-30 08:53:21 AM  
Hmm, looks like Welsh.
 
2011-03-30 08:54:59 AM  

Thrash Attack: Hmm, looks like Welsh.


So we're screwed then.
 
2011-03-30 08:55:54 AM  

historycat: They're directions.

I 71, I 74, and I 75 all converge in Cincinnati.


I noticed that as well, but it's weird not to mention US-50 along with 71, 75 and 74. Living in Cincinnati, when you want to get on 71 or 75, most of the time you get on US-50, also known as Columbia Parkway or River Road, and to get on 74 you would take 75 north, which would mean getting on US-50 first.

Of course that's the way I take, living on the west side. Obviously it would differ for someone living to the north or east.

He also refers to 74 again on the other page. The line reads:

26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE

At the beginning it looks to me like short hand for "26 miles East 74" which would make sense considering 74 runs East and West.

Of course then again it could all be babblespeak.
 
2011-03-30 08:57:47 AM  
This looks more like an excerpt from that lady's book about the Greek Seaman that was reviewed yesterday.
 
2011-03-30 08:58:19 AM  

cassanovascotian: NkThrasher: the letter distribution as compared to English does still make it seem less likely to be letter substitution and more likely to be letter arrangement.

true.
I just noticed the (ALSM) at the top right corner of the first page (missing from the transcription). That's usually where someone would put a date right? Then it would seem plausible that there's some degree of number-letter substitution going on.
does the article say when the note was found?


LASM must really be A/S/L? It's an AIM message!
 
2011-03-30 08:59:33 AM  
Have we got anything to come at it from the other direction?

Why was he killed? Was it random, was it because he was an easy target, was he a dealer?

If he was a dealer we could look at some of the entries being times he could pick up money - be - before evening, ncbe - no chance before evening, etc

/the fact that so many lines end with "e" makes me think that is relevant and each line has some separate meaning
 
2011-03-30 09:00:05 AM  
NTENTE GLSE-SE ERTE
EYSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE
VOETRSE ONDRSEWLD NCBE
EURDZLRCMSPNEWLDSTSMEXL
RDTMT6TUNSE NCBEXC
(GOYSAISTENMUNARSE)
OWOE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE
(NNU6NSE SE NMBSE)
NNNRCBRNSEPTE2PTEWSREBKNSE
AEMLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE
GV6LE CLGSEOUNUTKEDKRSE PSESHLE
IE1MTCSEHTLSENCUTCTRS NMRE
VR.84.5 5UNEPLSENCRSEADLTSENSKSENBSE
EGREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3XORL)
YOSENRSEIN2NTRLERCBRNSENTSRCRBNE
ONPNSENGSPSEMKSEKBSEPCBEAVXL'R
UNCRENMREFCBE 1/2MUNDPLSE
U-A-M14HIL XDRLX
(PRDMKNEARSE-N-S-M-KNARE)
NURHENPINSENPBSERCBBNSENPRSEINC
ENSENMRSE DPREHLDWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
VA-PRPPITXLYPPIYNCBE MGKSEWCDRCBRNSEPRSE
ERDRCBRNSE NTSSHENTXSE-CRSLE-CLTRSEWLDNCBE
ROWLDNCBETSMELRSERLSEURGLNEASNWLDNCBE
(GUPFSENLSRENCBE)NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
(ONNETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
(NDRSEPQSEONDE71NCBE)
(NANSEPRSEONSDE74NCBE)
(ANTSEPRSEONREDE75NCBE)
(LDNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSE TOTEWLDN1HLDNCBE)
(ED4WLD'SNCBE)(TRFXL)


Hang on, I think I've got something.

Oh, no. Noooooo!
 
2011-03-30 09:00:14 AM  

NkThrasher: So unless the substitution is based on swapping out letters of similar frequency (and the odd missing non-e vowels), I don't see this as substitution as much as rearranging.


So we may be dealing with transposition, but that runs into difficulties with the repeated sequences like this:

(FLR=SEPQ=SEON=DE71=NCBE)
(CDN=SEPR=SEON=SDE74=NCBE)
(BRT=SEPR=SEON=REDE75=NCBE)

which would be highly unlikely in a transposition scheme unless the message was very stylistic and repetitive, which of course given the known history isn't ruled out.

I'm still thinking some kind of Vigenere might be possible. Anybody run a Kasiski test on it yet?
 
2011-03-30 09:02:57 AM  

thelordofcheese: THE GAME


This was my first thought, and why I'm not going anywhere near it.
 
2011-03-30 09:03:33 AM  

EducatedBum: historycat: They're directions.

I 71, I 74, and I 75 all converge in Cincinnati.

I noticed that as well, but it's weird not to mention US-50 along with 71, 75 and 74. Living in Cincinnati, when you want to get on 71 or 75, most of the time you get on US-50, also known as Columbia Parkway or River Road, and to get on 74 you would take 75 north, which would mean getting on US-50 first.

Of course that's the way I take, living on the west side. Obviously it would differ for someone living to the north or east.

He also refers to 74 again on the other page. The line reads:

26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE

At the beginning it looks to me like short hand for "26 miles East 74" which would make sense considering 74 runs East and West.

Of course then again it could all be babblespeak.


26 miles east of 75, South Park street, 29 key or so, left 173, right or South East
 
2011-03-30 09:04:10 AM  
Googling with -code etc brings out some of the original articles archived on highbeam - need someone with a subscription to access them though.
 
2011-03-30 09:04:33 AM  
Wow, check this out:


NTENTE GLSE-SE ERTE
EYSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE
VOETRSE ONDRSEWLD NCBE
EURDZLRCMSPNEWLDSTSMEXL
RDTMT6TUNSE NCBEXC
(GOYSAISTENMUNARSE)
OWOE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE
(NNU6NSE SE NMBSE)
NNNRCBRNSEPTE2PTEWSREBKNSE
AEMLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE
GV6LE CLGSEOUNUTKEDKRSE PSESHLE
IE1MTCSEHTLSENCUTCTRS NMRE
VR.84.5 5UNEPLSENCRSEADLTSENSKSENBSE
EGREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3XORL)
YOSENRSEIN2NTRLERCBRNSENTSRCRBNE
ONPNSENGSPSEMKSEKBSEPCBEAVXL'R
UNCRENMREFCBE 1/2MUNDPLSE
U-A-M14HIL XDRLX
(PRDMKNEARSE-N-S-M-KNARE)
NURHENPINSENPBSERCBBNSENPRSEINC
ENSENMRSE DPREHLDWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
VA-PRPPITXLYPPIYNCBE MGKSEWCDRCBRNSEPRSE
ERDRCBRNSE NTSSHENTXSE-CRSLE-CLTRSEWLDNCBE
ROWLDNCBETSMELRSERLSEURGLNEASNWLDNCBE
(GUPFSENLSRENCBE)NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
(ONNETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
(NDRSEPQSEONDE71NCBE)
(NANSEPRSEONSDE74NCBE)
(ANTSEPRSEONREDE75NCBE)
(LDNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSE TOTEWLDN1HLDNCBE)
(ED4WLD'SNCBE)(TRFXL)
 
2011-03-30 09:08:05 AM  

EducatedBum: 26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE

At the beginning it looks to me like short hand for "26 miles East 74" which would make sense considering 74 runs East and West.


could you "park" and then go South-East 29 kilometers?
according to googlemaps old state road 74 isn't long enough, but theres a university around there.... maybe another route 74?
 
2011-03-30 09:08:53 AM  
That reads like a FARK headline
 
2011-03-30 09:09:45 AM  

cassanovascotian: EducatedBum: 26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE

At the beginning it looks to me like short hand for "26 miles East 74" which would make sense considering 74 runs East and West.

could you "park" and then go South-East 29 kilometers?
according to googlemaps old state road 74 isn't long enough, but theres a university around there.... maybe another route 74?


Where was homeboy killed?
 
2011-03-30 09:10:55 AM  

T-Boy: This looks more like an excerpt from that lady's book about the Greek Seaman that was reviewed yesterday.


Nailed it!
 
2011-03-30 09:11:52 AM  

Limiate: I just tried ALL of those windows keys and NONE of them worked!

This is the WORST torrent site EVER!


Best comment yet
 
2011-03-30 09:15:35 AM  

cassanovascotian: EducatedBum: 26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE

At the beginning it looks to me like short hand for "26 miles East 74" which would make sense considering 74 runs East and West.

could you "park" and then go South-East 29 kilometers?
according to googlemaps old state road 74 isn't long enough, but theres a university around there.... maybe another route 74?


I was thinking maybe there's a road called 29 that runs south, and a park somewhere near there (with a body buried somewhere in the park)?
 
2011-03-30 09:15:53 AM  

T-Boy: This looks more like an excerpt from that lady's book about the Greek Seaman that was reviewed yesterday.


fark off!
 
2011-03-30 09:19:04 AM  

shijjiri: Where was homeboy killed?


St Louis.
The only other route 74 I found was in Alabama :(
 
2011-03-30 09:21:20 AM  
Stand back everyone; I've read Cryptonomicon.
 
2011-03-30 09:22:04 AM  

cassanovascotian: shijjiri: Where was homeboy killed?

St Louis.
The only other route 74 I found was in Alabama :(


Could be service road 74. If we're talking about heading toward a park or the like in direction that might make more sense. A bit out of the way, as it were.
 
2011-03-30 09:24:29 AM  

Regnad Kcin: NTENTE GLSE-SE ERTE
EYSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE
VOETRSE ONDRSEWLD NCBE
EURDZLRCMSPNEWLDSTSMEXL
RDTMT6TUNSE NCBEXC
(GOYSAISTENMUNARSE)
OWOE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE
(NNU6NSE SE NMBSE)
NNNRCBRNSEPTE2PTEWSREBKNSE
AEMLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE
GV6LE CLGSEOUNUTKEDKRSE PSESHLE
IE1MTCSEHTLSENCUTCTRS NMRE
VR.84.5 5UNEPLSENCRSEADLTSENSKSENBSE
EGREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3XORL)
YOSENRSEIN2NTRLERCBRNSENTSRCRBNE
ONPNSENGSPSEMKSEKBSEPCBEAVXL'R
UNCRENMREFCBE 1/2MUNDPLSE
U-A-M14HIL XDRLX
(PRDMKNEARSE-N-S-M-KNARE)
NURHENPINSENPBSERCBBNSENPRSEINC
ENSENMRSE DPREHLDWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
VA-PRPPITXLYPPIYNCBE MGKSEWCDRCBRNSEPRSE
ERDRCBRNSE NTSSHENTXSE-CRSLE-CLTRSEWLDNCBE
ROWLDNCBETSMELRSERLSEURGLNEASNWLDNCBE
(GUPFSENLSRENCBE)NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
(ONNETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
(NDRSEPQSEONDE71NCBE)
(NANSEPRSEONSDE74NCBE)
(ANTSEPRSEONREDE75NCBE)
(LDNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSE TOTEWLDN1HLDNCBE)
(ED4WLD'SNCBE)(TRFXL)


Hang on, I think I've got something.

Oh, no. Noooooo!


So... How long did it take you to type in those lyrics vertically?

/party pooper
 
2011-03-30 09:24:59 AM  

dittybopper: That's pretty simple, really: So that they can feel superior. Smarter than the cops.


Where were you on June 30th, 1999?
 
2011-03-30 09:28:14 AM  
Assuming that it's not gibberish and that there is a pattern to it all making it repeatable and not a one time pad, let's remember that it was created by a complete and utter whackjob. IMO the only way to make sense of it is to become a complete and utter whackjob.

//whacky logic is whacky
 
2011-03-30 09:29:44 AM  

madcan34: IMO the only way to make sense of it is to become a complete and utter whackjob.


I think we should be able to scare up a few Farkers who arrived here pre-whacked.
 
2011-03-30 09:30:41 AM  
why oh why does the great de-coder avoid this puzzle?

4.bp.blogspot.comView Full Size


perhaps his own dastardly deeds will surface?
 
2011-03-30 09:30:55 AM  

cassanovascotian: EducatedBum: 26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE

At the beginning it looks to me like short hand for "26 miles East 74" which would make sense considering 74 runs East and West.

could you "park" and then go South-East 29 kilometers?
according to googlemaps old state road 74 isn't long enough, but theres a university around there.... maybe another route 74?


You can always park somewhere and then go south east 29 kilometers, even if you parked on the side of the road or something. But then again, why say kilometers when you live in the US? 9 times out of 10 a person would say feet. Just a thought.

I'm not sure what university you're talking about, I know there is a mall in that area (Eastgate Mall) but in Cincinnati there are several "74's". There would be Interstate-74, then State Route-32 which was formerly known as SR-74 until 1962, consequently making Old SR-74, which intersects with SR-32 a bunch of times.
 
2011-03-30 09:33:50 AM  

El Doucho:
So... How long did it take you to type in those lyrics vertically?

/party pooper



Believe it or not, I had to do it twice. I had it all finished and submitted, but Realplayer and my antivirus were updating at the same time and my computer had a stroke and lost it.
 
2011-03-30 09:34:05 AM  
IT's A COOKBOOK!!!
 
2011-03-30 09:34:29 AM  
I'm pretty sure he's talking about a medical cover up for some mental institute in Missouri. Like he was given the wrong drugs and was going psycho. The doctor's killed him to cover up the wrong doing.
 
2011-03-30 09:34:55 AM  

EducatedBum: cassanovascotian: EducatedBum: 26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE

At the beginning it looks to me like short hand for "26 miles East 74" which would make sense considering 74 runs East and West.

could you "park" and then go South-East 29 kilometers?
according to googlemaps old state road 74 isn't long enough, but theres a university around there.... maybe another route 74?

You can always park somewhere and then go south east 29 kilometers, even if you parked on the side of the road or something. But then again, why say kilometers when you live in the US? 9 times out of 10 a person would say feet. Just a thought.

I'm not sure what university you're talking about, I know there is a mall in that area (Eastgate Mall) but in Cincinnati there are several "74's". There would be Interstate-74, then State Route-32 which was formerly known as SR-74 until 1962, consequently making Old SR-74, which intersects with SR-32 a bunch of times.


Bike trail markers?
 
2011-03-30 09:34:58 AM  
Reminds me of long hours playing this:

img34.imageshack.usView Full Size


Could use the letter-replacing console from the crypto parts of the game ;)

[image from img5.imageshack.us too old to be available]
 
2011-03-30 09:35:15 AM  

Regnad Kcin: El Doucho:
So... How long did it take you to type in those lyrics vertically?

/party pooper


Believe it or not, I had to do it twice. I had it all finished and submitted, but Realplayer and my antivirus were updating at the same time and my computer had a stroke and lost it.


Looks like you can do the second line as well just start a little lower.
 
2011-03-30 09:36:10 AM  
[image from vitosverdict.com too old to be available]
 
2011-03-30 09:39:18 AM  

The Envoy: dittybopper: That's pretty simple, really: So that they can feel superior. Smarter than the cops.

Where were you on June 30th, 1999?


52829 80537 69548 57947 40136

/Encrypted using the straddling checkerboard and "one time pad" in my profile.
 
2011-03-30 09:39:52 AM  
I think I see a secret message...

YMNDMKNEARSE-N-S-M-KNARE
OTFRHENPINSENPBSERCBBNSENPRSEINC
UPRSENMRSE DPREHLDWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
LAL-PRPPITXLYPPIYNCBE MGKSEWCDRCBRNSEPRSE
OWLDRCBRNSE NTSSHENTXSE-CRSLE-CLTRSEWLDNCBE
SALWLDNCBETSMELRSERLSEURGLNEASNWLDNCBE
ENOPFSENLSRENCBE NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
TTENETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING
HFLRSEPQSEONDE71NCBE
ECDNSEPRSEONSDE74NCBE
GBRTSEPRSEONREDE75NCBE
ATFNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSE TOTEWLDN1HLDNCBE
M194WLD'SNCBE(TRFXL)
ETOTEWLDN
 
2011-03-30 09:40:59 AM  
sorry, but i've been reading fark comments for a long time now...you people are NOT who i would want on my defense team.
 
2011-03-30 09:41:19 AM  
I don't think this is real. I think they're hiring and this is an IQ test. You can't do this for the real thing if you have no info. about the person. Everything else would have already been exhausted.
 
2011-03-30 09:41:25 AM  
I cracked it. It says:

First Note:
"I didn't do it"

Second Node:
"Just kidding, yea I did"
 
2011-03-30 09:42:19 AM  
transformer-ivan.netView Full Size
 
2011-03-30 09:43:02 AM  
They should run it through google translate. It's probably French or something.
 
2011-03-30 09:43:21 AM  
my guess is gibberish...shorthand gibberish, read best upside-down, in a mirror, backwards.
 
2011-03-30 09:43:47 AM  
luckyeddie [TotalFark] 2011-03-30 05:18:31 AM
Far too many 'E's to represent any single letter - I suggest they might represent the space or delimiter between words"

====================================================================
Probably got the idea from looking at a corrupted Word doc.

It seems that the "e" for example may derive its meaning from its context in a letter group.
putting a child to the task may get it solved.
Seriously, i get very sleepy around codes.
i6.tinypic.comView Full Size

It might just be C+ with a few Rubies thrown in.
 
2011-03-30 09:45:43 AM  

dittybopper: 52829 80537 69548 57947 40136

/Encrypted using the straddling checkerboard and "one time pad" in my profile.


*Looks at dittybopper's profile. Goes to Wikipedia to try to find out what it means. Gives up almost instantly.*

I'd like to be able to wrap my head around things like this but I simply can't make sense of it!
 
2011-03-30 09:50:47 AM  
Well, its not Hawaiian, Samoan, or Spanish.

/mý work here is done
 
2011-03-30 09:52:12 AM  
if there is any degree of consistency between p1 and p2, the indented text should give it away, considering the repetition
(FLR SEPR SEON DE 71 NCBE)
(CDN SEPR SEON S DE 74 NCBE)
(BRT SEPR SEON RE DE 75 NCBE)

from lionfish, i think the Q originally posted in the (above)FLR SEPR sequence was incorrect. it's an R, but the printing made it look like a Q.
 
2011-03-30 09:55:12 AM  

Vodka Zombie: "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."


Goddammitsomuch, I was going to say that.
 
2011-03-30 09:58:23 AM  

ThisNameSux: Vodka Zombie: "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."

Goddammitsomuch, I was going to say that.


you could say it again, only been said about 47 times.

need to get John Nash on the case!
 
2011-03-30 10:00:26 AM  
Its a suicide note...
"victim" paid someone to execute the final command.
The ego trippiness of it, and the obvious need to have it studied says ego-based suicide all over it.
addresses and dates have to do with premature and unfulfilled relationships.
centerfolds and panty ads probably figure in there somewhere.
 
2011-03-30 10:01:03 AM  
NSREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3XORL)= No response prescribed me 3x orally

HIL = Home for independant living

HMCRENMREFCBE 1/2MUNDPLSE = home care enforce drugs hald dosage please

d-w-m = dead white male
 
2011-03-30 10:05:43 AM  
I would solve it but I'm too busy coding web pages in C+
 
2011-03-30 10:11:54 AM  
img849.imageshack.usView Full Size


We're hiring.
 
2011-03-30 10:13:39 AM  
Help the feds? I don't farking think so.

Unless they want me to help them shove something up their collective asses.
 
2011-03-30 10:14:37 AM  
This is NOT code. My dad writes EXACTLY this way if he's taking down notes for himself. Poor handwriting with mostly capital letters, a few lowercase mixed in and the words and abbreviations so close together you can't always tell if there's supposed to be a space or not. If he's writing something for someone else to read he makes sure to make it a bit more legible, but it's still always in capital letters. When he takes notes for himself off the phone I cannot tell what the hell they say unless I stare at them for awhile. He also writes down directions in the same manner they're written in the letter in the article, with very similar shorthand and nearly incomprehensible capital letters and spacing. You'd think it was written in code or by a mental patient.
The guy that wrote the stuff is also using inconsistent shorthand (as in he's using different abbreviations for the same stuff in places). I doubt he did it to codify it - more likely he just writes and thinks inconsistently.

If I look at this for awhile I can probably parse it out.

The people talking about directions to exits and stuff sound correct.

They had code breakers working on this? No wonder they didn't get anywhere. They need someone that can interpret horrible grammar, writing, and shorthand, not code.
 
2011-03-30 10:16:33 AM  

Shyla: jimmyego: Article unclear on whether these were the victims or the killers documents we are looking at.

One of the comments at the link said that the notes were written by the deceased man. It said he had dropped out of school, was not known to be gifted, and had been writing notes to himself like this since he was a kid.


So one is his to do list, the other is his grocery list and he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
2011-03-30 10:17:25 AM  
This is obviously a test to recruit new MIB agents.

i1.ytimg.comView Full Size

/hot like that flashy thing
 
2011-03-30 10:18:45 AM  
Probably also need an expert in horrible grammar, writing, and shorthand to interpret my own posts.

/really sleepy
 
2011-03-30 10:18:53 AM  

dittybopper: LRSERLSEhistorycat: They're directions.

I 71, I 74, and I 75 all converge in Cincinnati.

OK, those are all preceded by DE's:

(FLR=SEPQ=SEON=DE71=NCBE)
(CDN=SEPR=SEON=SDE74=NCBE)
(BRT=SEPR=SEON=REDE75=NCBE)

Does DE stand in for I? Perhaps in some kind of square with D being one coordinate and E being the other?

/Just throwing crap out there, seeing what sticks.


Hm...

D is the 4 letter of the alphabet
E is the 5 letter of the alphabet

4+5 = 9 and I is the 9th letter of the alphabet.

Of course, I've seen "The Number 23" too many times.
 
2011-03-30 10:19:10 AM  
*shakes tiny alien fist at interstitialofficial*
 
2011-03-30 10:21:27 AM  

obzerver: Shyla: jimmyego: Article unclear on whether these were the victims or the killers documents we are looking at.

One of the comments at the link said that the notes were written by the deceased man. It said he had dropped out of school, was not known to be gifted, and had been writing notes to himself like this since he was a kid.

So one is his to do list, the other is his grocery list and he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.


Maybe. Or they could be related, but even if they were directions and stuff he took down from someone that was involved, it's unlikely the FBI could link anything.
 
2011-03-30 10:22:43 AM  
I'll help by posting a graph.

blackoutisthenewpink.files.wordpress.comView Full Size
 
2011-03-30 10:23:45 AM  

lionfish: Lotta TE and SE going on there at the end of most words. Like pig latin.


E = .

Which means L = ? or possibly !
 
2011-03-30 10:25:53 AM  

SchlingFocker: Apparently, the murder victim, according to other news articles I found, had spent his entire life tinkering with cryptography. But, he was a high school dropout.

So, either he was a savant or he created something that is made to look like a cypher but is just gibberish.


Wait... if the victim was a cypher enthusiast, then this is probably just his stupid grocery list. Why does anyone think it is tied to his killer?
 
2011-03-30 10:27:36 AM  

lionfish: One page:

ALPNTE GLSE-SE ERTE
VLSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE
PNRTRSE ONDRSEWLD NCBE
NWLDZLRCMSPNEWLDSTSMEXL
DULMT6TUNSE NCBEXC
(MUNSAISTENMUNARSE)
KLSE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE
(SAE6NSE SE NMBSE)
NMNRCBRNSEPTE2PTEWSREBKNSE
26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE
356LE CLGSEOUNUTKEDKRSE PSESHLE
651MTCSEHTLSENCUTCTRS NMRE
99.84.5 5UNEPLSENCRSEADLTSENSKSENBSE
NSREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3XORL)
NMSENRSEIN2NTRLERCBRNSENTSRCRBNE
LSPNSENGSPSEMKSEKBSEPCBEAVXL'R
HMCRENMREFCBE 1/2MUNDPLSE
D-W-M14HIL XDRLX



If you try to speak it, it almost sounds like a cross between pig latin and ubbi dubbi. McCormick started writing in codes as a kid and had no formal training, so it seems plausible that his codes would be a variant of ones popular with kids. What were codes used in children's shows and literature when he was 8yo.
 
2011-03-30 10:28:42 AM  
/thinks it means absolutely nothing and the murderer is sitting back getting a laugh
 
2011-03-30 10:30:17 AM  

SideOfBacon: /thinks it means absolutely nothing and the murderer is sitting back getting a laugh


We established this hours ago. This isn't about the murder, it's about figuring out if this man liked white or wheat bread.
 
2011-03-30 10:31:00 AM  
He should have used AES encryption on that note
 
2011-03-30 10:31:18 AM  

Bartleby the Scrivener: if there is any degree of consistency between p1 and p2, the indented text should give it away, considering the repetition
(FLR SEPR SEON DE 71 NCBE)
(CDN SEPR SEON S DE 74 NCBE)
(BRT SEPR SEON RE DE 75 NCBE)

from lionfish, i think the Q originally posted in the (above)FLR SEPR sequence was incorrect. it's an R, but the printing made it look like a Q.


LOL.
"I don't know what it means, but I'm sure there's a mistake in it."
 
2011-03-30 10:31:30 AM  

The Envoy: dittybopper: 52829 80537 69548 57947 40136

/Encrypted using the straddling checkerboard and "one time pad" in my profile.

*Looks at dittybopper's profile. Goes to Wikipedia to try to find out what it means. Gives up almost instantly.*

I'd like to be able to wrap my head around things like this but I simply can't make sense of it!


It's so deviously simple, you'll kick yourself for not trying.

First, we have the ciphertext:

52829 80537 69548 57947 40136

From that, we subtract the values from the first line of the "one time pad". Since the encryption used non-carrying addition ( 9 + 8 = 7, not 17 ), we have to mentally add a tens digit to the top row if the bottom number is greater ( 7 - 8 is treated like 17 - 8, so we get 9 ).

OK so what are the results?

52829 80537 69548 57947 40136
88254 83402 02029 48286 92288
----- ----- ----- ----- -----
74675 07135 67529 19761 58958

See how 5 - 8 is really 15 - 8 = 7?

OK, now you just have to plug those numbers into the straddling checkerboard, which looks like this:


 |0123456789
 |A SIN TOER
1|BCDFGHJKLM
5|PQUVWXYZ./

If you see a 0,2,3,4,6,7,8,9 it's a single digit for the letter, if you see a 1 or a 5 there is two digits for a letter. So we separate it out like this, and plug in the values:

7 4 6 7 50 7 13 56 7 52 9 19 7 6 15 8 9 58
O N T O P  O F  Y  O U  R M  O T H  E R .

Notice that the top line of the straddling checkerboard is a phrase: "A sin to er(r)" which is easily memorable and contains the most common letters in English, which keeps the message length down. If you were to use a strict two number coordinate system, it would double the length of the message, but this way it only increases it by around 30% or so.

I generate my one time pads using 10-sided dice, which are often used in gaming. I bought 5 of them for a buck a piece. I throw them all at once, and type (on a real manual typewriter) the result. Instant code group! Much faster than the "reach into a bag, pull out a Scrabble tile, put it back in, repeat" method of generating alphabetical OTPs.

If you want to actually transmit letters (if you are using Morse, for example, and don't want to resort to 'cut' numbers), you can add an extra step and re-encipher the ciphertext using the straddling checkerboard:


52 8 2 9 8 0 53 7 6 9 54 8 57 9 4 7 4 0 13 6
Q  E S R E A V  O T R W  E Z  R N O N A F  T

QESRE AVOTR WEZRN ONAFT

Decipherment is obviously the reverse.
 
2011-03-30 10:31:35 AM  

dittybopper: Does DE stand in for I? Perhaps in some kind of square with D being one coordinate and E being the other?


D = 4
E = 5

I = 9

4 + 5 = 9

Coincidence?
 
2011-03-30 10:31:44 AM  
Hmmmmmm....

lionfish: One page:

ALPNTE GLSE-SE ERTE
VLSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE
PNRTRSE ONDRSEWLD NCBE
NWLDZLRCMSPNEWLDSTSMEXL
DULMT6TUNSE NCBEXC
(MUNSAISTENMUNARSE)
KLSE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE
(SAE6NSE SE NMBSE)
NMNRCBRNSEPTE2PTEWSREBKNSE
26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE
356LE CLGSEOIUNUTKEDKRSE PSESHLE
651MTCSEHTLSENCUTCTRS NMRE
99.84.5 5UNEPLSENCRSEADLTSENSKSENBSE
NSREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3XORL)
NMSENRSEIN2NTRLERCBRNSENTSRCRBNE
LSPNSENGSPSEMKSEKBSEPCBEAVXL'R
HMCRENMREFCBE 1/2MUNDPLSE
D-W-M14HIL XDRLX

 
2011-03-30 10:31:51 AM  
Note to self: If you ever go on a suicidal shooting spree, leave a note that means nothing but appears to be a coded message. You know, for the lulz.
 
2011-03-30 10:32:41 AM  

shijjiri: SideOfBacon: /thinks it means absolutely nothing and the murderer is sitting back getting a laugh

We established this hours ago. This isn't about the murder, it's about figuring out if this man liked white or wheat bread.


OK, here's what we've got: the Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people -- under the supervision of the reverse vampires -- are forcing our parents to go to bed early in a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner.

/We're through the looking glass here, people.
 
2011-03-30 10:34:31 AM  
This is not a substitution code. If it is the characters are in an order that will only be revealed if you have the key, which could be anything from a Bible passage to an advertisement in the NYT. Because the letters follow a pattern similar to written language it is unlikely that is the case. Chances are whoever made this has invented their own language. It is not as rare as you think especially for people in the higher autism spectrum. I invented my own written language when I was ten and a spoken language similar to "Kilgnon" or other fantasy/scifi based language by the time I was 8.
 
2011-03-30 10:36:02 AM  
Did anyone run it through the Enigma machine?
 
2011-03-30 10:36:52 AM  
"That's enough John Mayer."


Solved.
 
2011-03-30 10:36:57 AM  

shijjiri: unicron702: It's random, or it's a one time pad. It's not solvable.

L -- Adjoin
S -- Start group
X -- Transformer
A -- Identifier
E -- Terminate group

U, R, G, O, W, D, K, U, M, T, C -- Recipients?



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2011-03-30 10:37:19 AM  

ThisNameSux: Note to self: If you ever go on a suicidal shooting spree, leave a note that means nothing but appears to be a coded message. You know, for the lulz.


Also, format hard drive and install TeleTubbies: The Game
 
2011-03-30 10:38:37 AM  

The Envoy: dittybopper: 52829 80537 69548 57947 40136

/Encrypted using the straddling checkerboard and "one time pad" in my profile.

*Looks at dittybopper's profile. Goes to Wikipedia to try to find out what it means. Gives up almost instantly.*

I'd like to be able to wrap my head around things like this but I simply can't make sense of it!


Grab a copy of Cryptonomicon. It's a good story and very educational.
 
2011-03-30 10:39:47 AM  
All of the traditional expert and computational crypto approaches have already been applied by the FBI to no avail. The point of this release was to pick the billions of brains on the Internet for a creative idea, not for some dumbass in a basement to setup a Beowulf cluster and apply some trivial substitution cypher analysis on it.
 
2011-03-30 10:39:54 AM  

SideOfBacon: ThisNameSux: Vodka Zombie: "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."

Goddammitsomuch, I was going to say that.

you could say it again, only been said about 47 times.

need to get John Nash on the case!


Sorry, busy with my Life magazines today.
 
2011-03-30 10:40:43 AM  
99.84.5

Might this be a day/time? Perhaps 5 O'clock on the 84th day of 1999? That would be March 25th, 1999.
 
2011-03-30 10:41:38 AM  

untitled1: Did anyone run it through the Enigma machine?


Enigma doesn't encrypt numbers or punctuation, you have to spell them out.
 
2011-03-30 10:45:48 AM  
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2011-03-30 10:46:25 AM  
And at best it's written in part his own little code or language(s) and part really horrible grammar, spelling and shorthand. Trying to find a common link to solve the parts that are coded is probably going to be futile in that case.
Who knows what happens between someone's mind and the paper. I've seen lots of seemingly normal people write in a really weird and incomprehensible manner when taking notes.
 
2011-03-30 10:48:05 AM  

PanicMan: The Envoy: dittybopper: 52829 80537 69548 57947 40136

/Encrypted using the straddling checkerboard and "one time pad" in my profile.

*Looks at dittybopper's profile. Goes to Wikipedia to try to find out what it means. Gives up almost instantly.*

I'd like to be able to wrap my head around things like this but I simply can't make sense of it!

Grab a copy of Cryptonomicon. It's a good story and very educational.


It's an OK story, and not very educational. Personally, I call it the "Craptonimcon". I should be the ideal target audience for that book: I love the history of signals intelligence since first having read "The Codebreakers" by David Kahn as a kid, and I even went into SIGINT when I joined the Army. Yet I found it to be completely and truly farked. Perhaps because I'm knowledgeable about the actual history of it, I just couldn't suspend my disbelief.

/Also a serious Ubootewaffe nerd, which doesn't help.
 
2011-03-30 10:48:10 AM  
Here's a possible clue to solving this...

Link (new window)
 
2011-03-30 10:48:20 AM  

dittybopper: Since the encryption used non-carrying addition


Is that just to keep the code length down? 10 possible digits vs. 26? The whole encoding/decoding is actually remarkably elegant.
 
2011-03-30 10:51:10 AM  

danny_kay: Bartleby the Scrivener: if there is any degree of consistency between p1 and p2, the indented text should give it away, considering the repetition
(FLR SEPR SEON DE 71 NCBE)
(CDN SEPR SEON S DE 74 NCBE)
(BRT SEPR SEON RE DE 75 NCBE)

from lionfish, i think the Q originally posted in the (above)FLR SEPR sequence was incorrect. it's an R, but the printing made it look like a Q.

LOL.
"I don't know what it means, but I'm sure there's a mistake in it."


LOL
a mistake in transcription has nothing to do with the (in)significance of the source text itself.

\urfbxrd!
 
2011-03-30 10:52:31 AM  

unicron702: shijjiri: SideOfBacon: /thinks it means absolutely nothing and the murderer is sitting back getting a laugh

We established this hours ago. This isn't about the murder, it's about figuring out if this man liked white or wheat bread.

OK, here's what we've got: the Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people -- under the supervision of the reverse vampires -- are forcing our parents to go to bed early in a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner.

/We're through the looking glass here, people.


so another thread about DST?
 
2011-03-30 10:52:53 AM  
WHy are you all making this way more complicated then it needs to be? He developed the code as a kid. I can't imagine, especially knowing he wasn't the smartest guy around, that he was using any sort of complicated algorithms.
 
2011-03-30 10:53:06 AM  
If you replace all N C B and E with E A S T, you get some interesting results.

/probably nothing.
 
2011-03-30 10:59:29 AM  
JR'ER AB FGENATREF GB YBIR ~ LBH XABJ GUR EHYRF NAQ FB QB V ~ N SHYY PBZZVGZRAG'F JUNG V'Z GUVAXVAT BS ~ LBH JBHYQA'G TRG GUVF SEBZ NAL BGURE THL ~ V WHFG JNAAN GRYY LBH UBJ V'Z SRRYVAT ~ TBGGN ZNXR LBH HAQREFGNAQ ~ ARIRE TBAAN TVIR LBH HC ~ ARIRE TBAAN YRG LBH QBJA ~ ARIRE TBAAN EHA NEBHAQ NAQ QRFREG LBH ~ ARIRE TBAAN ZNXR LBH PEL ~ ARIRE TBAAN FNL TBBQOLR ~ ARIRE TBAAN GRYY N YVR NAQ UHEG LBH

Round and round it goes...
 
2011-03-30 10:59:46 AM  

dittybopper: It's an OK story, and not very educational. Personally, I call it the "Craptonimcon". I should be the ideal target audience for that book: I love the history of signals intelligence since first having read "The Codebreakers" by David Kahn as a kid, and I even went into SIGINT when I joined the Army. Yet I found it to be completely and truly farked. Perhaps because I'm knowledgeable about the actual history of it, I just couldn't suspend my disbelief.


I can understand that, I'm a stickler for anything having to do with aerodynamics. However, it gave me some much needed insights into "real world" creation and uses of codes. It was what I needed to wrap my brain around some basic concepts, such as the difficulties with generating a truly random number.

I'm very good with technical concepts, but encryption technology requires a type of thinking that I struggle with. To me it's more like black magic than science. I think that's true for a lot of people.
 
2011-03-30 11:00:26 AM  

PanicMan: dittybopper: Since the encryption used non-carrying addition

Is that just to keep the code length down? 10 possible digits vs. 26? The whole encoding/decoding is actually remarkably elegant.


Isn't it though?

The non-carrying addition method has a couple of advantages:

1. It keeps the code groups at 5 numbers. If you used traditional addition/subtraction, it would lengthen the groups significantly.

2. A mistake in addition/subtraction only effects one character, not a whole group. A single mistake won't propagate.

I didn't invent the thing, although I believe I *MAY* the first to suggest using 10-sided dice to generate the pads. I Googled it and I can't find any reference to it before I suggested it.

The best part is that if you implement it properly (manual paper and pencil encryption/decryption only, some form of manual way to make the pads like a manual typewriter, and you burn the materials after use, computer transmission of ciphertext *ONLY* permitted, no enciphering/deciphering/making pads on a computer), it's perfectly secure. Not even the NSA can crack it, because it's truly a one time pad, and the dice are truly random.
 
2011-03-30 11:00:42 AM  

Ihaveanevilparrot: This is NOT code. My dad writes EXACTLY this way if he's taking down notes for himself. Poor handwriting with mostly capital letters, a few lowercase mixed in and the words and abbreviations so close together you can't always tell if there's supposed to be a space or not. If he's writing something for someone else to read he makes sure to make it a bit more legible, but it's still always in capital letters. When he takes notes for himself off the phone I cannot tell what the hell they say unless I stare at them for awhile. He also writes down directions in the same manner they're written in the letter in the article, with very similar shorthand and nearly incomprehensible capital letters and spacing. You'd think it was written in code or by a mental patient.
The guy that wrote the stuff is also using inconsistent shorthand (as in he's using different abbreviations for the same stuff in places). I doubt he did it to codify it - more likely he just writes and thinks inconsistently.

If I look at this for awhile I can probably parse it out.

The people talking about directions to exits and stuff sound correct.

They had code breakers working on this? No wonder they didn't get anywhere. They need someone that can interpret horrible grammar, writing, and shorthand, not code.


Well, if you want to look at it like an uneducated cryptographer ...

from my own handwriting ....
a=u=n
e=i
b=h=n
δ=b

I havent done hand written notes in a along time, so I would have to recheck notes. Most errors occur because of hurried writing while teacher is talking. An uneducated cryptographer may use letter substations for personal notes.

Personal notes are not meant for you to decipher. They will be wrought with innuendo.

Most obvious glare about this, Wouldnt his house be filled with these notes? Where does the page with typed "NOTES" come from, a ledger?

"The only clues investigators recovered from the scene were two encrypted notes stuffed into the victim's pockets."
Was it ink or graphite? Stuffing paper written with graphite into your pocket will most likely smudge. If it was ink, how long ago was it written, ink is smudged is it still dry? I dont "stuff" notes into my pockets, I neatly fold them. Found at the edge of a corn field, I am sure someone went through his pockets that means they must have pulled the paper out and stuffed it back in, was it ever neatly folded?

What was his profession?
 
2011-03-30 11:01:38 AM  
So to be clear, and I think maybe many people are missing this important fact: the murderer did not create this note; it was the victim.
 
2011-03-30 11:03:10 AM  
Forgot to mention: You *NEVER* re-use pads. Burn/destroy each page immediately after you use it. I put the "one time pad" in my profile in quotes because it really isn't a true one time pad: I've used it before, and it's published so it's "blown".
 
2011-03-30 11:04:20 AM  
Looks like a message from Cthulu.
 
2011-03-30 11:06:30 AM  

PanicMan: It was what I needed to wrap my brain around some basic concepts, such as the difficulties with generating a truly random number.


Generating random numbers is *EASY*. Go buy some 10-sided dice. Don't use traditional 6-sided cubical dice if you are going to use them for generating one time pads, though, unless you are going to encrypt/decrypt using Base 6 arithmetic. Personally, I find it hard enough to do Base 10 ;)
 
2011-03-30 11:06:34 AM  
Anyone interested here is the letter usage



A________11________1.4
B________33________4.3
C________43________5.7
D________30________3.9
E_______132_______17.5
F________10________1.3
G_________7________0.9
H_________8________1.0
I_________8________1.0
J_________0________0
K________13________1.7
L________51________6.7
M________28________3.7
N________86_______11.4
O________12________1.5
P________29________3.8
Q_________2________0.2
R________65________8.6
S________97_______12.9
T________42________5.59
U________12________1.5
V_________3________0.3
W________15________1.9
X________11________1.4
Y_________2________0.2
Z_________1________0.1



As 'E' 'S' and 'N' get a disproportional amount of usage. combined they make up 40% of the note
 
2011-03-30 11:06:40 AM  

TotalReddit: sorry, but i've been reading fark comments for a long time now...you people are NOT who i would want on my defense team.


No probalo, nobody would have moved to defend you anyway.

Degenerate Monkey: So to be clear, and I think maybe many people are missing this important fact: the murderer did not create this note; it was the victim.


Well nothing is sure 100%. The note was found on the victim. Nobody said anything as to who the author is.
 
2011-03-30 11:08:11 AM  
Cthulu fhtagn?

/too obvious?
//got nothin'
///obviously
 
2011-03-30 11:09:03 AM  

Degenerate Monkey: So to be clear, and I think maybe many people are missing this important fact: the murderer did not create this note; it was the victim.


This is true, but it might have some insight as to what the victim was planning to do, who he was going to meet, etc. It might provide a clue that isn't known at this time that could lead to the killer.

Then again, it might not. No way to know unless you figure out what the message says, though.
 
2011-03-30 11:10:30 AM  

Degenerate Monkey: So to be clear, and I think maybe many people are missing this important fact: the murderer did not create this note; it was the victim.


So the victim committed the murder! Amazing. It's always the one you least suspect.
 
2011-03-30 11:11:43 AM  

Zed-ex: Anyone interested here is the letter usage

A________11________1.4
B________33________4.3
C________43________5.7
D________30________3.9
E_______132_______17.5
F________10________1.3
G_________7________0.9
H_________8________1.0
I_________8________1.0
J_________0________0
K________13________1.7
L________51________6.7
M________28________3.7
N________86_______11.4
O________12________1.5
P________29________3.8
Q_________2________0.2
R________65________8.6
S________97_______12.9
T________42________5.59
U________12________1.5
V_________3________0.3
W________15________1.9
X________11________1.4
Y_________2________0.2
Z_________1________0.1


As 'E' 'S' and 'N' get a disproportional amount of usage. combined they make up 40% of the note


I was initially thinking maybe it could be attacked like that, but noticed there were numbers so I dismissed it. Looking back, there are very few numbers so it looks like they're not being used as code for letters at all.
/I'm no help at this shiat though
 
2011-03-30 11:14:03 AM  

dittybopper:
This is true, but it might have some insight as to what the victim was planning to do, who he was going to meet, etc. It might provide a clue that isn't known at this time that could lead to the killer.


No doubt that's the value here; I wasn't contesting that this is worth trying to crack. There are just a lot of comments which seem to imply that the murderer wrote the note.
 
2011-03-30 11:14:06 AM  
It's part of the script for the first episode of season 5.

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2011-03-30 11:14:25 AM  
Knowing.

Would someone please get Nicholas Cage on this case?
 
2011-03-30 11:16:39 AM  
Has anyone yet suggested that he might have been making notes of some kind? I had a couple of leads/ideas, but I'm at work so I can't fully research them, as much as I'd like to.

IDEA #1: he was researching highways.
- 26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLEI73RTRSE has already been suggested as possibly being directions. A little bit of Wiki-crawling led me to Chrlotte, NC, where US route 74 meets up with US 29. I-73 also runs through this part of NC, and while I-74 is fragmented as it crosses NC, it's under construction, and one stretch of official interstate is 26 miles long. (Also, I-73 runs N/S, possibly accounting for the NOSO part of the notes.)

I also thought the 99.84.5 might be a convergence of highways somewhere along the way, and I found an intersection in Portland, OR where I-84 meets I-5 ... and the ramp-tangle happens right over SR 99. I have no idea what that has to do with anything, but it's nifty.

IDEA #2: he was researching stocks.

- FLR-SEPR-SEON are all stock codes. (And many other things, but still.) I originally got on this idea because of the CDN in the next line, thinking it was related to currency and that maybe FLR would be Florins or something. I was also thinking that 71, 74, 75 might be stock prices ("de" could be "Desirable" meaning he wants to buy or sell at that price?). The NCBE could stand for another stock code, or it could be the "No Change Before Entry" code slang alluded to in the Yahoo comments.

Common to both ideas of mine is the concept that he's not trying to be cryptic - just brief. I know that when I'm taking notes, half the time I'll use abbreviations or even slip into other languages just to be brief ("o eso" and "oder was" are both shorter to hand-write than "or something", by way of example). People who are feverishly taking notes will use their own abbreviations without thinking, and if this guy had a savant sort of mind, he probably had so many thoughts going on at once that he had to write things down as fast as possible.

Also, I'm a historian, so I'm used to researching some downright daffy things (I spent a whole afternoon reading phone books from the 1890s once, just looking for commonalities in the addresses. I'm sure my notes would be baffling at best to an onlooker with no context!!). Maybe he was just really interested in something, like highway anomalies or stock prices?
 
2011-03-30 11:16:55 AM  
I think the reason why the FBI is so concerned about deciphering the notes is because they want to know what he was doing prior to his murder. Where was he going, where was he coming from, was there someone he was meeting, etc.
 
2011-03-30 11:23:26 AM  
Those aren't small t's it's + () - I think it's partially an equation.
 
2011-03-30 11:23:47 AM  

sxacho: Cryptonom


Something like Mind Hunter, or a poetry class would give more perspective. I havent had a linguistics class; anyone know how much they emphasize knowing the culture before knowing the language?
 
2011-03-30 11:24:58 AM  

sxacho: Stand back everyone; I've read Cryptonomicon.


Stupid quoting only doing highlighted.
 
2011-03-30 11:25:56 AM  

Zed-ex: Anyone interested here is the letter usage

...

As 'E' 'S' and 'N' get a disproportional amount of usage. combined they make up 40% of the note


Which given the sample size isn't horribly outside normal english proportions ( Oxford says they'd be around 24% from my in-the-head-addition).

Given that A I and O are underrepresented, they may be lumped in with E, or simply omitted for brevity in short hand.
 
2011-03-30 11:27:43 AM  
Well it's quite obvious that he was using a simple polyphoneticly grouped twenty square digit key, transposed from booster verdonic form, with multiple nulls. It just so happens that I have my box of Lucky Charms here too.

You're welcome.
 
2011-03-30 11:27:44 AM  
IDEA #2: he was researching stocks.

I think we have a winner on this one.


warrant/limit/day erte, estimated route to exit

and plenty more stock related stuff in there.
 
2011-03-30 11:29:24 AM  
rmcows?
mrcows.
rusuremrcows?
osmrcows!
 
2011-03-30 11:30:25 AM  

PanicMan: The whole encoding/decoding is actually remarkably elegant.


You want to know another elegant (but less secure) method of encryption/decryption? The Strip Cipher.

Here is one that I built based on the US M-94 "wheel" cipher:

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It's dirt simple to use. You just line up your plaintext, in this case I have it at the bottom, right above the retaining strip:

SENDLAWYERSGUNSANDMONEYXX

All you have to do then is pick any other line as your ciphertext. For example, you might choose the line 6 rows down from the top retaining strip (separated into groups to make it more readable):

ZLZKY HSSAH CZWCZ JOUIZ AGTCB

The other person has to have his strips in the same order that you do, and he just takes that ciphertext and lines it up on his device, and looks for the line with plaintext. It should "pop" out at you, because it will be the only one that isn't gibberish.

It's crackable if there is enough traffic in it, but for low amounts of traffic and a large number of strips (the US M-138A had something like 100 strips, only 25 to 30 were used at a time) it would be secure enough. You'd have to make your own strips, but it's pretty easy. I've done it using Scrabble tiles pulled from a bag to ensure randomized alphabets (only 1 tile per letter in the alphabet, obviously). Each alphabet is doubled on a strip to ensure that you have enough overlap.

You can also build a "wheel" version, but the strip version is easier to make, and cryptographically it's identical.
 
2011-03-30 11:39:08 AM  

Jello Fever: ENOPFSENLSRENCBE NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE


Goddamn sense?
 
2011-03-30 11:41:18 AM  

Sofa King Smart: rmcows?
mrcows.
rusuremrcows?
osmrcows!


MR MICE
MR KNOT
OSAR
CMBDI'S N MEDBD FEET
LIB
MR MICE!
 
2011-03-30 11:42:04 AM  

Sofa King Smart: rmcows?
mrcows.
rusuremrcows?
osmrcows!


Nojo demis dux.
 
2011-03-30 11:43:28 AM  
it's just been posted to foxnews

this should be good

samking73
yep! what was that Shakespeare line? "i think the liberal doth protest too much"

uramook
it says don't vote for the kenyan he will make a horrible senator, and a worse president

Jess
MY DAD USED TO BE A MASON, AND I THOSE CODES LOOK MASON...THEY SHOULD CONTACT THE MASONERY SOCIETY

daveyoung
If they can figure this out, maybe the same kids can find out the details of Barack`s campaign kickbacks from ACORN

2lib4me
Calling all code crackers: The FBI needs your help.
Isn't this raciest, code "cracker". I am totally amazed that some leftwing liberal, progressive has not brought this to the Obama media state run press and blamed the raciest TEA party.
I am sure if it was, calling all " code-chuckers", it would be all over the place.
He or she who clams racism is most likely the raciest.

joeblk
somebody here should be able to do this with ease....and it wont be a LIb neither....lol
 
2011-03-30 11:44:10 AM  

BLIXX: I think the most blatant part about the 2nd note is that it says "NOTE" right at the top of the page in clean form. Recently played Myst and Arkham asylum.


The note was written by the victim. He wrote similar notes his whole life.
 
2011-03-30 11:45:13 AM  
ALPNTE GLSE-SE ERTE
VLSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE
PNRTRSE ONDRSEWLD NCBE
NWLDZLRCMSPNEWLDSTSMEXL
DULMT6TUNSE NCBEXC
(MUNSAISTENMUNARSE)
KLSE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE
(SAE6NSE SE NMBSE)
NMNRCBRNSEPTE2PTEWSREBKNSE
26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE
356LE CLGSEOUNUTKEDKRSE PSESHLE
651MTCSEHTLSENCUTCTRS NMRE
99.84.5 5UNEPLSENCRSEADLTSENSKSENBSE
NSREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3XORL)
NMSENRSEIN2NTRLERCBRNSENTSRCRBNE
LSPNSENGSPSEMKSEKBSEPCBEAVXL'R
HMCRENMREFCBE 1/2MUNDPLSE
D-W-M14HIL XDRLX
(MNDMKNEARSE-N-S-M-KNARE)
TFRHENPINSENPBSERCBBNSENPRSEINC
PRSENMRSE DPREHLDWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
AL-PRPPITXLYPPIYNCBE MGKSEWCDRCBRNSEPRSE
WLDRCBRNSE NTSSHENTXSE-CRSLE-CLTRSEWLDNCBE
ALWLDNCBETSMELRSERLSEURGLNEASNWLDNCBE
(NOPFSENLSRENCBE)NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
(TENETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
(FLRSEPQSEONDE71NCBE)
(CDNSEPRSEONSDE74NCBE)
(BRTSEPRSEONREDE75NCBE)
(TFNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSE TOTEWLDN1HLDNCBE)
(194WLD'SNCBE)(TRFXL)

I noticed many repetitions; NCBE was used a lot, on a hunch though it might be FRDY? And the rest fell into place.

Full message deciphered:

7am, waking up in the morning
Gotta be fresh, gotta go downstairs
Gotta have my bowl, gotta have cereal
Seein' everything, the time is goin'
Tickin' on and on, everybody's rushin'
Gotta get down to the bus stop
Gotta catch my bus, I see my friends (My friends)
Kickin' in the front seat
Sittin' in the back seat
Gotta make my mind up
Which seat can I take?
It's Friday, Friday
Gotta get down on Friday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the weekend, weekend
Friday, Friday
Gettin' down on Friday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the weekend
Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin' forward to the weekend
7:45, we're drivin' on the highway
Cruisin' so fast, I want time to fly
Fun, fun, think about fun
You know what it is
I got this, you got this
My friend is by my right
I got this, you got this
Now you know it
Kickin' in the front seat
Sittin' in the back seat
Gotta make my mind up
Which seat can I take?
It's Friday, Friday
Gotta get down on Friday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the weekend, weekend
Friday, Friday
Gettin' down on Friday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the weekend
Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin' forward to the weekend
Yesterday was Thursday, Thursday
Today i-is Friday, Friday (Partyin')
We-we-we so excited
We so excited
We gonna have a ball today
Tomorrow is Saturday
And Sunday comes after...wards
I don't want this weekend to end
R-B, Rebecca Black
So chillin' in the front seat (In the front seat)
In the back seat (In the back seat)
I'm drivin', cruisin' (Yeah, yeah)
Fast lanes, switchin' lanes
Wit' a car up on my side (Woo!)
(C'mon) Passin' by is a school bus in front of me
Makes tick tock, tick tock, wanna scream
Check my time, it's Friday, it's a weekend
We gonna have fun, c'mon, c'mon, y'all
It's Friday, Friday
Gotta get down on Friday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the weekend, weekend
Friday, Friday
Gettin' down on Friday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the weekend
Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin' forward to the weekend
It's Friday, Friday
Gotta get down on Friday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the weekend, weekend
Friday, Friday
Gettin' down on Friday
Everybody's lookin' forward to the weekend
Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Partyin', partyin' (Yeah)
Fun, fun, fun, fun
Lookin' forward to the weekend

I'm not sure what it means, maybe no one ever will.
 
2011-03-30 11:45:28 AM  
missed this baby

confederatemny Just now
It says:
(I like sugar and I like tea)
(but I dont like ni[yeah he went for a double 6 here]ers no sire)
(theres two lone things thatll make me puke)
(thats a hog eatin slop and a big b l a c k sp oo k)
 
2011-03-30 11:45:29 AM  
There should find an gifted autistic savant and see if he can figure it out.

//cant use rainman, he died
 
2011-03-30 11:45:29 AM  
dittybopper:

I didn't invent the thing, although I believe I *MAY* the first to suggest using 10-sided dice to generate the pads. I Googled it and I can't find any reference to it before I suggested it.

The best part is that if you implement it properly (manual paper and pencil encryption/decryption only, some form of manual way to make the pads like a manual typewriter, and you burn the materials after use, computer transmission of ciphertext *ONLY* permitted, no enciphering/deciphering/making pads on a computer), it's perfectly secure. Not even the NSA can crack it, because it's truly a one time pad, and the dice are truly random.

Now you have me thinking about doing this for my passwords, but using a d30 and adding some characters. Sadly, this is not the first time Fark has made me read up on encryption.

/well maybe sadly
 
2011-03-30 11:45:30 AM  
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2011-03-30 11:45:59 AM  

Opposite: BLIXX: I think the most blatant part about the 2nd note is that it says "NOTE" right at the top of the page in clean form. Recently played Myst and Arkham asylum.

The note was written by the victim. He wrote similar notes his whole life.


Oh and he was also an idiot.
 
2011-03-30 11:47:12 AM  
donnyd: (Toynbee image)

Funny... is that a Cincinnati reference? Here's the Toynbee at 6th and Main St in Cincinnati, just for extra weirdness:

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2011-03-30 11:47:19 AM  
Maybe it's a Perl script..
 
2011-03-30 11:47:44 AM  

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Honey, is that you? I didn't know you were on Fark!
 
2011-03-30 11:47:56 AM  
knowfool 29 minutes ago
Let's see, I think it says "Baby boy, Barry Sartero (whatever), Kenya, 1961..."
Like
11 people liked this
 
2011-03-30 11:53:37 AM  

Pickerel: Now you have me thinking about doing this for my passwords, but using a d30 and adding some characters.


Why bother? Pick a short memorable word*, and throw 10-sided dice to generate 5 digits. Put those numbers in front of, behind, inside, or interspersed with the word. Secure enough, as the numbers are random, even if the word isn't.

*But not too short.
 
2011-03-30 11:55:57 AM  

dittybopper: It's so deviously simple, you'll kick yourself for not trying....


You know what, looking at the wiki on it I gave up as soon as I started. Given the effort you quite clearly went to to type that all out (I even appreciated the "mom" joke!) I resolved to give it a go. I won't say my understanding is perfect, far from it, but it helped a huge amount. You have my honest and sincere gratitude for teaching me something new. Thanks!
 
2011-03-30 11:56:41 AM  

dittybopper: You want to know another elegant (but less secure) method of encryption/decryption? The Strip Cipher.


**strokes chin thoughtfully**

I've learned something today. Thanks.
 
2011-03-30 11:57:39 AM  
- Victim isn't a hot blonde white girl? WTF is this? :b
- It's a great story, but not one you'll tell at the Fark party. I can hear the police now: "The FBI couldn't crack it, so the only person who could would be the person who wrote it."
 
2011-03-30 11:58:13 AM  

21-7-b:
2lib4me
Calling all code crackers: The FBI needs your help.
Isn't this raciest, code "cracker". I am totally amazed that some leftwing liberal, progressive has not brought this to the Obama media state run press and blamed the raciest TEA party.
I am sure if it was, calling all " code-chuckers", it would be all over the place.
He or she who clams racism is most likely the raciest.



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Reviewer's Note: It's pretty racy, but I don't know if it's truly the raciest.
 
2011-03-30 11:59:28 AM  
The Envoy Quote 2011-03-30 11:55:57 AM
dittybopper: It's so deviously simple, you'll kick yourself for not trying....

You know what, looking at the wiki on it I gave up as soon as I started. Given the effort you quite clearly went to to type that all out (I even appreciated the "mom" joke!) I resolved to give it a go. I won't say my understanding is perfect, far from it, but it helped a huge amount. You have my honest and sincere gratitude for teaching me something new. Thanks!


PanicMan Quote 2011-03-30 11:56:41 AM
dittybopper: You want to know another elegant (but less secure) method of encryption/decryption? The Strip Cipher.

**strokes chin thoughtfully**

I've learned something today. Thanks.


It was my pleasure.
 
2011-03-30 12:02:18 PM  
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They're recipes.
 
2011-03-30 12:02:48 PM  
SOLVED IT! (new window)
 
2011-03-30 12:06:02 PM  
People have commented that se ends some of these sentences like in "pig latin". Actually, why not just regular latin? As in Spanish?
 
2011-03-30 12:07:36 PM  
I make it out to be "Secret plans hidden Hilda's desk".
 
2011-03-30 12:08:34 PM  
FloydA

i blame the obama media state run [printing] press
 
2011-03-30 12:09:15 PM  
Er. Wouldn't it be helpful to have examples of his other notes?
 
2011-03-30 12:12:05 PM  
shiat, that looks a lot like my handwriting....
 
2011-03-30 12:12:38 PM  
Cipher? Don't a lot of high school seniors write like this?
 
2011-03-30 12:13:19 PM  

dittybopper: Why bother? Pick a short memorable word*, and throw 10-sided dice to generate 5 digits. Put those numbers in front of, behind, inside, or interspersed with the word. Secure enough, as the numbers are random, even if the word isn't.

*But not too short.


I'm actually talking about encrypting what all my passwords are for where, for those times I forget them, and hiding the decryption somewhere strange. Seeing as I played Resident Evil as a kid, I have some strange ideas on where to hide stuff.

/back in the day I picked my passwords by clicking random cells in a spreadsheet and stringing the values together
//work got really upset when I did that instead of just using 'admin' or something
 
2011-03-30 12:15:20 PM  

21-7-b: it's just been posted to foxnews

this should be good

samking73
yep! what was that Shakespeare line? "i think the liberal doth protest too much"

uramook
it says don't vote for the kenyan he will make a horrible senator, and a worse president

Jess
MY DAD USED TO BE A MASON, AND I THOSE CODES LOOK MASON...THEY SHOULD CONTACT THE MASONERY SOCIETY

daveyoung
If they can figure this out, maybe the same kids can find out the details of Barack`s campaign kickbacks from ACORN

2lib4me
Calling all code crackers: The FBI needs your help.
Isn't this raciest, code "cracker". I am totally amazed that some leftwing liberal, progressive has not brought this to the Obama media state run press and blamed the raciest TEA party.
I am sure if it was, calling all " code-chuckers", it would be all over the place.
He or she who clams racism is most likely the raciest.

joeblk
somebody here should be able to do this with ease....and it wont be a LIb neither....lol


Pathetic. Utterly pathetic. What a bunch of mental giants they are.
 
2011-03-30 12:16:01 PM  
It's all a big sham to distract your attention from ghaddafi.
 
2011-03-30 12:16:19 PM  
they don't like it when you argue for the other side over at fox. not very fair and balanced
 
2011-03-30 12:17:25 PM  

Pickerel: I'm actually talking about encrypting what all my passwords are for where, for those times I forget them, and hiding the decryption somewhere strange. Seeing as I played Resident Evil as a kid, I have some strange ideas on where to hide stuff.


Since I'm in a relatively high-tech place, I use low-tech solutions. I write the damn things down in a Harry Potter notebook that I keep on my desk. Because man, what self-respecting tech thief is going to bother to come to my crappy-ass cube and look in a Harry Potter notebook? :P

/Especially if he can't find it under all the crap I keep on my desk
//Security through obscurity! :P
 
2011-03-30 12:18:45 PM  

Regnad Kcin: NTENTE GLSE-SE ERTE
EYSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE
VOETRSE ONDRSEWLD NCBE
EURDZLRCMSPNEWLDSTSMEXL
RDTMT6TUNSE NCBEXC
(GOYSAISTENMUNARSE)
OWOE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE
(NNU6NSE SE NMBSE)
NNNRCBRNSEPTE2PTEWSREBKNSE
AEMLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE
GV6LE CLGSEOUNUTKEDKRSE PSESHLE
IE1MTCSEHTLSENCUTCTRS NMRE
VR.84.5 5UNEPLSENCRSEADLTSENSKSENBSE
EGREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3XORL)
YOSENRSEIN2NTRLERCBRNSENTSRCRBNE
ONPNSENGSPSEMKSEKBSEPCBEAVXL'R
UNCRENMREFCBE 1/2MUNDPLSE
U-A-M14HIL XDRLX
(PRDMKNEARSE-N-S-M-KNARE)
NURHENPINSENPBSERCBBNSENPRSEINC
ENSENMRSE DPREHLDWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
VA-PRPPITXLYPPIYNCBE MGKSEWCDRCBRNSEPRSE
ERDRCBRNSE NTSSHENTXSE-CRSLE-CLTRSEWLDNCBE
ROWLDNCBETSMELRSERLSEURGLNEASNWLDNCBE
(GUPFSENLSRENCBE)NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
(ONNETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
(NDRSEPQSEONDE71NCBE)
(NANSEPRSEONSDE74NCBE)
(ANTSEPRSEONREDE75NCBE)
(LDNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSE TOTEWLDN1HLDNCBE)
(ED4WLD'SNCBE)(TRFXL)


Hang on, I think I've got something.

Oh, no. Noooooo!


I see I'm late as usual.

/Shakes late and tiny fist
 
2011-03-30 12:22:51 PM  
Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
 
2011-03-30 12:23:08 PM  
It is a red herring.

Why kill someone, and then stuff their pockets with encrypted messages?

Obviously, to throw the cops off track.
 
2011-03-30 12:23:45 PM  
a lot of the letter combinations are engineering related stock exchanges it seems and 99.84.5 could possibly be section 5 of the 1999 occupational health and safety manual

http://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/Domino/Web_Notes/LDMS/PubStatbook.ns​f/b051450 7 3fa2a882ca256da4001bc4e7/3B116180389A64FBCA256E5B0021A715/$FILE/99-084​sr.pdf

Wonder where he worked before his death? This could be like the first wikileaks attempt. He had information on his company that would cause problems and was removed from office so to speak
 
2011-03-30 12:26:55 PM  
statute 99.84.5 also has to do with municipal housing in missouri.
 
2011-03-30 12:42:44 PM  
St. Louis? empty field?
failed drug deal...
 
2011-03-30 12:44:33 PM  

Al_Ed: Here's a possible clue to solving this...

Link (new window)



I haven't seen this in literally decades!

It makes me wonder though ... why do college-age girls need to learn the alphabet?
 
2011-03-30 12:44:54 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Cipher? Don't a lot of high school seniors write like this?


College students do too, but they sometimes add a bibliography before turning it in.
 
2011-03-30 12:44:58 PM  

lionfish: One page:

ALPNTE GLSE-SE ERTE
VLSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE
PNRTRSE ONDRSEWLD NCBE
NWLDZLRCMSPNEWLDSTSMEXL
DULMT6TUNSE NCBEXC
(MUNSAISTENMUNARSE)
KLSE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE
(SAE6NSE SE NMBSE)
NMNRCBRNSEPTE2PTEWSREBKNSE
26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE
356LE CLGSEOUNUTKEDKRSE PSESHLE
651MTCSEHTLSENCUTCTRS NMRE
99.84.5 5UNEPLSENCRSEADLTSENSKSENBSE
NSREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3XORL)
NMSENRSEIN2NTRLERCBRNSENTSRCRBNE
LSPNSENGSPSEMKSEKBSEPCBEAVXL'R
HMCRENMREFCBE 1/2MUNDPLSE
D-W-M14HIL XDRLX


I numbered the alphabet and lined up the first part of gibberish and assigned each letter a number. I did a google search for the number that matched up, 1121614205. And It returns a ISBN number for this book.


Crimes & Punishment Illustrated Encyclopedia V26 from amazon "This is a lurid and sensational account of a score of grisly murders, arranged alphabetically by subject (hence, the "encyclopedia" tag).
by H S Stuttman
HARDCOVER | H S STUTTMAN INC PUBLISHERS
ISBN: 1121614205


Coincidence?
 
2011-03-30 12:50:18 PM  
The letter combinations preclude it from being a proto-language form for either a native speaker of English, Spanish, or Korean... and watching my Korean friend trying to pronounce "NURHENPINSENPBSERCBBNSENPRSEINC" is HILARIOUS! This doesn't preclude it from being a bit of a ritual to wake the Old Ones. Feel free to proceed now with the attempts to crack it like a code now, instead of approaching it from a linguistic platform.

/I chose English and Spanish tests because those are the dominant language patterns in the area where it was found. The choice of Korean was based both on availability of test material (the aforementioned friend) and on the Korean language having properties of both Chinese and Japanese language patterns.
//The test was, basically, "Hey, can you read this out loud for me?" in an attempt to get a native speakers interpretation of the letter combinations. Not being able to pronounce more than a third of it disqualified it from being a proto-language of the native speakers pattern.
 
2011-03-30 12:51:43 PM  

Theory Of Null: Crimes & Punishment Illustrated Encyclopedia V26 from amazon "This is a lurid and sensational account of a score of grisly murders, arranged alphabetically by subject (hence, the "encyclopedia" tag).
by H S Stuttman
HARDCOVER | H S STUTTMAN INC PUBLISHERS
ISBN: 1121614205


Coincidence?


Certainly could be, but interesting for that to show up either way.
 
2011-03-30 12:55:16 PM  
Testimony:

Number runner? Probably not. Too low rent for murder.
Writing these notes since childhood? Not likely, probably lying.

It appears that NCBE and PRSE are specific services that have specific costs associated. If these were abbreviations since childhood, he would have simplified them. Acronyms for services change with time. Check urbandictionary.

The hard part is decoding the list of client names associated with the services. That would give a clue to the murderer.
 
2011-03-30 01:04:03 PM  

Squawky: This is obviously a test to recruit new MIB agents.


/hot like that flashy thing


I accidentally left this off in my "World's fair" comment. If the crime occurred in 1999. That would make sense... the movie came out in 1997.
 
2011-03-30 01:04:21 PM  
APT TEN G-STREET E?
 
2011-03-30 01:05:44 PM  

olddinosaur: It is a red herring.

Why kill someone, and then stuff their pockets with encrypted messages?

Obviously, to throw the cops off track.


Nah, lots of killers secretly want to get caught. Berkowitz sent tons of stuff to the cops, and there's even a wild a$$ theory that Jack the Ripper may have been the Reverend Charles Lutwidge Dodgson: aka Lewis Carroll.

No, this means something. Human beings don't randomize well.

/I really wish I were smarter.
//Especially right now.
 
2011-03-30 01:07:05 PM  
Boobies?
 
2011-03-30 01:11:22 PM  

Delay: It appears that NCBE and PRSE are specific services that have specific costs associated. If these were abbreviations since childhood, he would have simplified them. Acronyms for services change with time. Check urbandictionary.


I don't know if it's specific services, but I agree those are abbreviations of something.

The entire message is all farked up, IMO. Too many repetitions, which leads me to believe a list of short notes with abbreviations, rather than a more easily-deciphered note, with proper alphabetic distribution.

/Someone's probably already said this upthread a dozen times. Sorry.
 
2011-03-30 01:12:01 PM  

Kozmopoliskepticalopsis: Al_Ed: Here's a possible clue to solving this...

Link (new window)


I haven't seen this in literally decades!

It makes me wonder though ... why do college-age girls need to learn the alphabet?


When I watched it, I wondered the same thing. Maybe it was the University of Florida.
 
2011-03-30 01:12:28 PM  

fadat: Boobies?


That would explain why this information has only surfaced 12 years later.
 
2011-03-30 01:13:45 PM  

Joe The Plumber: Sofa King Smart: rmcows?
mrcows.
rusuremrcows?
osmrcows!

MR MICE
MR KNOT
OSAR
CMBDI'S N MEDBD FEET
LIB
MR MICE!


I think that's what I was trying to remember...

I'm with the others on here that think this isn't really an 'encoded' message as much as it's this particular nut jobs personal short hand to himself... probably notes about drug deals or sports bets and who owes who what.
 
2011-03-30 01:18:30 PM  

Pickerel: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/6072985/67983761#c67983761" target="_blank">Theory Of Null</a>:</b> <i>Crimes & Punishment Illustrated Encyclopedia V26 from amazon "This is a lurid and sensational account of a score of grisly murders, arranged alphabetically by subject (hence, the "encyclopedia" tag).
by H S Stuttman
HARDCOVER | H S STUTTMAN INC PUBLISHERS
ISBN: 1121614205


Coincidence?</i>

Certainly could be, but interesting for that to show up either way.


Yeah, pretty odd for that to show up. I read a book on cryptography awhile ago and one technique used in the past was sending a key with the message that pointed to a book or magazine. They would use the book/magazine to decipher the rest of the message.

Maybe this is why it looks uncrackable? Maybe it's only partially encrypted or the key is in some book. Maybe he removed certain vowels?
 
2011-03-30 01:21:30 PM  
Just because I love you guys so much, here is a crappy webcam pic of one of the pads I've constructed, and the dice I used to make them:

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I used an Olivetti Lettera 32 manual typewriter to type the pad. Because I didn't have blank 2 part paper or carbon paper at the time, I had to manually duplicate the pads. I did this by making 5 groups, tabbing past the center, and just retyping the groups, then carriage return/linefeed.

The ribbon was worn enough that I doubt you can get anything off it through forensic examination, but in any case it's easily destroyed, and replacements are cheap. I chose a manual because you can't put an electronic keylogger in it, and it doesn't generate any kind of electrical signal. Plus, I had it laying around.

Obviously, page 704 is now "blown", so I can't use it for any real purpose now, but it was just a test pad anyway.

Why go to all the trouble to use completely manual methods? Because computers are not your friend when it comes to secrecy.
 
2011-03-30 01:27:48 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: No, this means something. Human beings don't randomize well.


One doesn't imply the other. I can type a bunch of "random" stuff that won't be statistically random, but it won't mean anything.

Conversely, I can make messages that *ARE* statistically indistinguishable from truly random processes, yet they mean something.
 
2011-03-30 01:33:26 PM  
We need more samples of this guys work- 2 pages is such a small sample size, and it is very unlikely to be a one time pad as he's unlikely to be carrying a key/pad/ricky racoon decoder ring with him while he's being murdered. He knew this cipher well enough to write it quickly, so either he uses a key he has memorized or could acquire again instantly- (maybe a bible or his driver's license)we need more data before throwing this much effort is likely to produce a workable solution. Oh yeah- dungeon masters have been using dice for codes since the tomb of horrors and codes get much harder from there-looking for an evil cipher /pad? try this:A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates [Paperback]
RAND Corporation (Author) -Good Luck!
 
2011-03-30 01:40:02 PM  

dittybopper: Just because I love you guys so much, here is a crappy webcam pic of one of the pads I've constructed, and the dice I used to make them:

I used an Olivetti Lettera 32 manual typewriter to type the pad. Because I didn't have blank 2 part paper or carbon paper at the time, I had to manually duplicate the pads. I did this by making 5 groups, tabbing past the center, and just retyping the groups, then carriage return/linefeed.

The ribbon was worn enough that I doubt you can get anything off it through forensic examination, but in any case it's easily destroyed, and replacements are cheap. I chose a manual because you can't put an electronic keylogger in it, and it doesn't generate any kind of electrical signal. Plus, I had it laying around.

Obviously, page 704 is now "blown", so I can't use it for any real purpose now, but it was just a test pad anyway.

Why go to all the trouble to use completely manual methods? Because computers are not your friend when it comes to secrecy.


I want to preface this because I've found your posts to be fascinating and educational, and I genuinely appreciate them.

But...

WTF do you do in life that requires so much secrecy?!?!?!??
 
2011-03-30 01:41:52 PM  
Early rough draft of this perhaps?

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2011-03-30 01:46:09 PM  
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jlt
2011-03-30 01:53:12 PM  
It's a cookbook!!!
 
2011-03-30 01:58:26 PM  
Know what this reminds me of?
Garbage terms in MI (new window)
(Scroll down to the red text...)
 
2011-03-30 01:58:44 PM  

lazarustci: We need more samples of this guys work- 2 pages is such a small sample size, and it is very unlikely to be a one time pad as he's unlikely to be carrying a key/pad/ricky racoon decoder ring with him while he's being murdered.


Well, we *KNOW* it's not a one time pad, or even a sophisticated polyalphabetic cipher. A frequency count plainly shows that it's not either of those. You'd get a much "flatter" distribution if it were. Plus, there are glimmers of some kind of system, repeated digrams and such, plus the numbers, etc.

He knew this cipher well enough to write it quickly, so either he uses a key he has memorized or could acquire again instantly- (maybe a bible or his driver's license)


I'm thinking it's more along the lines of some sort of mental shorthand. Something he could understand due to his unique thought processes, but not necessarily systematic enough to succumb to the normal attacks one would use to pry open a traditional cipher.

we need more data before throwing this much effort is likely to produce a workable solution.


What we need to be able to do is associate some part of it with something in his life, so that we can use that to pry open some sort of meaning. Harder than it sounds.

Oh yeah- dungeon masters have been using dice for codes since the tomb of horrors and codes get much harder from there-looking for an evil cipher /pad? try this:A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates [Paperback]
RAND Corporation (Author) -Good Luck!


No good. It's published. Once a pad is published, it's "blown" and completely useless for secrecy purposes (though it might be useful for statistical research). All one would have to do is take those million random digits and run the ciphertext though it to see if some plaintext pops up. If you can run 1,000 checks a second, it would take less than 17 hours to exhaust all possibilities. The computer would spit out a short list of possible decrypts based upon finding plaintext words, and the true one should be pretty obvious. For a very short message, say a single 4 letter word, you might be able to get away with it because 26*26*26*26 = 456, 976, so the odds are you'll get every single 4 letter word, and which one is the right one? But for a message that runs 25 letters or more, it should be obvious.


Besides which, rolling dice to decide whether a particular attack against a creeping phlegmball is successful is entirely different from using them to communicate in perfect secrecy. I've done both (though the D&D thing predated home computers).
 
2011-03-30 02:02:12 PM  
EARTH HAS 4 CORNER
SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY
TIME CUBE
IN ONLY 24 HOUR ROTATION.
4 CORNER DAYS, CUBES 4 QUAD EARTH- No 1 Day God.
EVIL EDUCATORS
block and suppress
You are educated evil,
and might have to kill
the evil ONE teaching
educators before you
can learn that 4 corner
days actually exist -but
all Cube Truth denied.
Dumb ass educators fear
me and hide from debate.
Cube 4x4 voids 1 & God.
Man evolves from teenager -
in cube metamorphosis
but ignores teenager to worship a male mother,
guised in woman's garb,
churchman called father.
 
2011-03-30 02:04:29 PM  

historycat: They're directions.

I 71, I 74, and I 75 all converge in Cincinnati.


Oh, I get it now: it's just viral marketing... They're bringing back "John From Cincinnati"!

/I don't know Butchie instead...
 
2011-03-30 02:10:51 PM  

Carousel Beast: I want to preface this because I've found your posts to be fascinating and educational, and I genuinely appreciate them.

But...

WTF do you do in life that requires so much secrecy?!?!?!??


Absolutely nothing. It was an intellectual exercise. It's one thing to read about how something is or was done, and another to try it for yourself.

Having said that, it's not a bad thing to know that you can, if need be, communicate in perfect secrecy (at least in regards to the contents of the message) in a cheap way that if properly used is now and will forever be completely unbreakable.
 
2011-03-30 02:15:23 PM  
I tried to find the word boundaries and structure the text a bit. I can't pull any meaning out of it but maybe this will help someone else to do so.

[image from brampwood.com too old to be available]
[image from brampwood.com too old to be available]
 
2011-03-30 02:16:26 PM  
Share Your Toys
 
2011-03-30 02:25:10 PM  
Someone tried this yesterday:

Link
 
2011-03-30 02:27:22 PM  
Let him know that you know best
Cause after all you do know best
Try to slip past his defense
Without granting innocence
Lay down a list of what is wrong
The things you've told him all along
And pray to God he hears you

Where did I go wrong, I lost a friend
Somewhere along in the bitterness
And I would have stayed up with you all night
Had I known how to save a life

As he begins to raise his voice
You lower yours and grant him one last choice
Drive until you lose the road
Or break with the ones you've followed
He will do one of two things
He will admit to everything
Or he'll say he's just not the same
And you'll begin to wonder why you came

Where did I go wrong, I lost a friend
Somewhere along in the bitterness
And I would have stayed up with you all night
Had I known how to save a life

/so...'No'?
//Grey's Anatomy fan
 
2011-03-30 02:30:05 PM  
I haven't read through all the posts, but what would happen if 99.84.5 is entered as an IP address? I'm sure someone more tech than me has tried this.
 
2011-03-30 02:31:06 PM  
looks like day trader research.
 
2011-03-30 02:31:53 PM  

notdorothy: I haven't read through all the posts, but what would happen if 99.84.5 is entered as an IP address? I'm sure someone more tech than me has tried this.


You need one more octet.

/votey
 
2011-03-30 02:32:41 PM  

notdorothy: I haven't read through all the posts, but what would happen if 99.84.5 is entered as an IP address? I'm sure someone more tech than me has tried this.


Wonko Fortytwo: 99.84.5

Wonko Fortytwo: 99.84.55

* ISP: SBC Internet Services
* Organization: SBC Internet Services
* Hosted in: United States
* 1 Hosts on this IP address


If this theory were tried, and I'm not sure if this would matter, could it have been owned by a different entity in 1999?
 
2011-03-30 02:33:17 PM  

Joe The Plumber: Jello Fever: ENOPFSENLSRENCBE NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE

Goddamn sense?


Goddamn sense cure RC brain event.
 
2011-03-30 02:34:24 PM  
JustAnotherFarker 2011-03-30 02:15:23 PM
I tried to find the word boundaries and structure the text a bit. I can't pull any meaning out of it but maybe this will help someone else to do so.
============================================================

// It really looks like the directions to a hidden stash of "booty"
drugs or cash.
when deal went bad, the courier was not given the key, got killed.
how else would someone without official, legal protections ensure money was received for the stash, before its location was disclosed?

Treasure Island FTW
 
2011-03-30 02:35:57 PM  
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2011-03-30 02:38:42 PM  

Lesbian Trapped in a Mans Body: notdorothy: I haven't read through all the posts, but what would happen if 99.84.5 is entered as an IP address? I'm sure someone more tech than me has tried this.

You need one more octet.

/votey


However, the 99.84.5.* IP range seems to belong to AT&T, for PPPoX use, based on whois info...
 
2011-03-30 02:45:50 PM  

RobSeace: 99.84.5.*


I added the 2 before the une and found this. Location near Wichita, KS . On NW 120th Street. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. The plot thickens.

IP Details for 99.84.5.2

Quick Links:


General IP Information
Hostname: adsl-99-84-5-2.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net
ISP: SBC Internet Services
Organization: SBC Internet Services
Proxy: None detected
Type: Broadband
Assignment: Static IP


Geolocation Information
Country: United States
Latitude: 38
Longitude: -97
 
2011-03-30 02:48:53 PM  

dittybopper:
You want to know another elegant (but less secure) method of encryption/decryption? The Strip Cipher.


worthless without a pole.
 
2011-03-30 02:49:22 PM  
Looking at this little bit:

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I'm guessing instructions on taking his medication. I'm going with the theory that most of the "E"s are actually similar to the word "STOP" in a telegraph. They might be a separator for a thought, word, or phrase. Perhaps they stand for "End".

Things I think I'm seeing at the beginning of this section:
"... Nurse 1 and 2 in trial. RC (??) burns." Then later on I can imagine I see notes on when to take his meds, how many times, etc.

I agree with many that it's not so much a secret code, but is probably his own shorthand to help him remember things like his medication, his doctor appointments, etc.
 
2011-03-30 02:56:41 PM  

asciibaron: dittybopper:
You want to know another elegant (but less secure) method of encryption/decryption? The Strip Cipher.

worthless without a pole.


OK, here you go:

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What a cipher Pole might look like.
 
2011-03-30 02:59:12 PM  
As others have said, it's unlikely to be a true cypher or code. I'm reasonably certain the FBI and/or NSA could have figured out a real cypher by now. It's more likely to be a sort of private language or shorthand.

Codes or cyphers are less likely because (IMO) few people would be paranoid enough (especially in 1999) to bother using decent encryption for mundane information.



TFNRV WNSIA DOORN MESNE IHGEE
DCMWG HOKTE ATONL TRRKT OTLGM
NETMR TDNXH RRIHN RHFEM DTDTH
RHITA GMOAI HEOYI ETNEF FESFE
IHOHE DEEOL TXBLN EFPZJ EHGSO
LITON EENRL OSXRL OORLG MGQAK
RESKR ORORD XDHOA RHOUX FNIAT
XHRBL IEUYT RHNMO OAINN WANLO
IENNO XISCM NLNXH DAEOO NRSED
HDEEN NRGDB XJTDN GVDSE SLXRM
EKDXO EORTE DITOI AKUEO SEEED
ILNTE FLAIF RWIHR TNHNN BLVFP



A computer algorithm could probably crack the above fairly quickly, and even this weak attempt at encryption is cumbersome and inefficient for sender and recipient.

Another problem with manual cyphers/codes is the issue of human fallability. Fail to properly copy the encrypted text could cause significant issues for the intended recipient.
 
pc
2011-03-30 02:59:35 PM  
Just saw this on /b/:

It is a shorthand log of historic episodes in the mid seventies on (page 1, actually written second, but numbered one to keep events in chrono order) and medications taken with the effects listed. The key at the end is day week month year morning day latenight. It was started on page 2 and then page 1 was added as a log of the earlier childhood which is the basis for diagnosis and the "page 2" is indepth records of changes in meds. The 3 month periods are normal with bipolar episodes in the 4th QTR (September through December in the seventies. These seasons suggest seasonal disorder.

ALPNTE GLSE-SE ERTE

A: Latenight, Phenergan, taken in evening G: Latenight Serenace/Seroquel or Seroquel/Serenace Extended Release Taken Evening

VLSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE
V: Late Serenace Morning take Serenace

On page 1 are lists of manic episodes

(FLRSEPRSEONDE71NCBE)

From late september really severe episode on December 1971: No cause before episode
(CDNSEPRSEONSF/DE74NCBE)

Chronic Depression in September, really severe episode on the start of December in 1974, no cause before episode

26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173R7RSE

2x 6mg Serenace in 1974 or 2x 600mg Seroquel in 1974
99-84.B2UNEPLSENCRSEAOLTSENSKSENRSE

1999 through 1988
NSREOUSEPUTSEWLDUCBE(3XORL)

D-W-M-YH/MD/IL XDRLX
Day weekday month year: morning day or latenight
 
2011-03-30 02:59:56 PM  
the best answer is the most obvious - look who is investigating the crime - racketeering. he was a courier for a bookie and these are debts
 
2011-03-30 03:03:57 PM  
I'll opt for:

take a look at this fine creation
and enjoy it better with appreciation
crows, ghosts, the midnight coast
the wonders of the world
mysteries the most

or

In this truck is a man whose latent genius, if unleashed, would rock the nation, whose dynamic energy would overpower those around him. Better let him sleep?
 
2011-03-30 03:06:17 PM  

Lesbian Trapped in a Mans Body: ISP: SBC Internet Services
Organization: SBC Internet Services


SBC merged with AT&T a while back, so it's now really AT&T...


NetRange: 99.84.4.0 - 99.84.7.255
CIDR: 99.84.4.0/22
OriginAS:
NetName: SBC-99-84-4-0-22-0909133129
NetHandle: NET-99-84-4-0-1
Parent: NET-99-0-0-0-1
NetType: Reassigned
RegDate: 2009-09-13
Updated: 2009-09-13
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-99-84-4-0-1

CustName: PPPoX Pool - se8.lsan03-1252884660
Address: 22nd Floor Attn:IP Management
City: Dallas
StateProv: TX
PostalCode: 75202
Country: US
RegDate: 2009-09-13
Updated: 2011-03-19
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/customer/C02315008

OrgTechHandle: IPADM2-ARIN
OrgTechName: IPAdmin ATT Internet Services
OrgTechPhone: +1-800-648-1626
OrgTechEmail: ipad­min­[nospam-﹫-backwards]tt­a­*c­om
OrgTechRef: http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/IPADM2-ARIN

OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE6-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Abuse ATT Internet Services
OrgAbusePhone: +1-800-648-1626
OrgAbuseEmail: a­bu­se[nospam-﹫-backwards]tta­*ne­t
OrgAbuseRef: http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/ABUSE6-ARIN

OrgNOCHandle: SUPPO-ARIN
OrgNOCName: Support ATT Internet Services
OrgNOCPhone: +1-888-510-5545
OrgNOCEmail: ipad­min[nospam-﹫-backwards]cbs­*com
OrgNOCRef: http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/SUPPO-ARIN

RNOCHandle: SUPPO-ARIN
RNOCName: Support ATT Internet Services
RNOCPhone: +1-888-510-5545
RNOCEmail: ipad­min[nospam-﹫-backwards]cbs­*com
RNOCRef: http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/SUPPO-ARIN

RAbuseHandle: ABUSE6-ARIN
RAbuseName: Abuse ATT Internet Services
RAbusePhone: +1-800-648-1626
RAbuseEmail: a­bu­se[nospam-﹫-backwards]tta­*ne­t
RAbuseRef: http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/ABUSE6-ARIN

RTechHandle: IPADM2-ARIN
RTechName: IPAdmin ATT Internet Services
RTechPhone: +1-800-648-1626
RTechEmail: ipad­min­[nospam-﹫-backwards]tt­a­*c­om
RTechRef: http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/IPADM2-ARIN
 
2011-03-30 03:06:21 PM  

dittybopper:
What a cipher Pole might look like.


couldn't have done it without this guy

darknerd.co.ukView Full Size
 
2011-03-30 03:07:35 PM  

Wenchmaster: As others have said, it's unlikely to be a true cypher or code. I'm reasonably certain the FBI and/or NSA could have figured out a real cypher by now. It's more likely to be a sort of private language or shorthand.


I agree with your conclusion, but not the assumption. Even relatively simple ciphers and codes can stymie even the professionals if there isn't a lot of ciphertext to work with, and there really isn't a lot here.

Codes or cyphers are less likely because (IMO) few people would be paranoid enough (especially in 1999) to bother using decent encryption for mundane information.


You must be pretty young. A minority have always been that paranoid.
 
2011-03-30 03:10:32 PM  

The Bananadragon: I also thought the 99.84.5 might be a convergence of highways somewhere along the way, and I found an intersection in Portland, OR where I-84 meets I-5 ... and the ramp-tangle happens right over SR 99. I have no idea what that has to do with anything, but it's nifty.


There are a few problems with that. 99E is the name, and it passes over I-84 on MLK and Grand, which is a little bit east of the interchange.

It also seems pretty unlikely he'd be putting in a note about the east side of Portland from half the country away.
 
2011-03-30 03:13:30 PM  
pc 2012-03-30 02:59:35 PM
Just saw this on /d/:

It is a shorthand log of historic episodes in the mid seventies on (page 1, actually written second, but numbered one to keep events in chrono order) and medications taken with the effects listed. The key at the end is day week month year morning day latenight. It was started on page 2 and then page 1 was added as a log of the earlier childhood which is the basis for diagnosis and the "page 2" is indepth records of changes in meds. The 3 month periods are normal with bipolar episodes in the 4th QTR (September through December in the seventies. These seasons suggest seasonal disorder.
=================================================================

// A tempting hypothesis, viable to someone who takes a lot of meds. which is pretty much most of /d.
does that reasonably
explain the manner of death, and location ?

[how do you type the backwards d?]
 
2011-03-30 03:13:46 PM  

davidphogan: 99.84.5


Also found this.
99.84.5 - French - Scarlett BEAUVALET, Centre Roland Mousnier, Paris IV-Sorbonne, 1 rue Victor-Cousin, 75230 Paris Cedex 05 (France), and Pierre BOUTOUYRIE, Service de Pharmacologie, Hôpital Broussais, Paris (France)

Translates to Department of Pharmacology, Broussais Hospital.

Why would the drug companies want this man dead????????
 
2011-03-30 03:14:57 PM  

JSTACAT: [how do you type the backwards d?]


Shift/Alt/Tab and d
 
2011-03-30 03:16:00 PM  
dittybopper: I agree with your conclusion, but not the assumption. Even relatively simple ciphers and codes can stymie even the professionals if there isn't a lot of ciphertext to work with, and there really isn't a lot here.

Agreed. I was operating under the unspoken assumption that the Feebs would have had access to further samples, since TFA said the victim had been doing it for years. Assuming the Feebs had access to more samples, I have faith that they could have broken mundane-use encryption. Since they claim to have failed, I further assumed that the sample was not actually encoded or encrypted but rather personalized shorthand meant only for the author's use.

"Codes or cyphers are less likely because (IMO) few people would be paranoid enough (especially in 1999) to bother using decent encryption for mundane information."

You must be pretty young. A minority have always been that paranoid.


I grant a minority (see underlined words above from original) have always been that paranoid. Perhaps I can't force myself into that mindset enough to properly assess the likelihood. I'm probably older than you are, however
 
2011-03-30 03:21:00 PM  

Regnad Kcin: NTENTE GLSE-SE ERTE
EYSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE
VOETRSE ONDRSEWLD NCBE
EURDZLRCMSPNEWLDSTSMEXL
RDTMT6TUNSE NCBEXC
(GOYSAISTENMUNARSE)
OWOE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE
(NNU6NSE SE NMBSE)
NNNRCBRNSEPTE2PTEWSREBKNSE
AEMLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE
GV6LE CLGSEOUNUTKEDKRSE PSESHLE
IE1MTCSEHTLSENCUTCTRS NMRE
VR.84.5 5UNEPLSENCRSEADLTSENSKSENBSE
EGREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3XORL)
YOSENRSEIN2NTRLERCBRNSENTSRCRBNE
ONPNSENGSPSEMKSEKBSEPCBEAVXL'RUNCRENMREFCBE 1/2MUNDPLSE
U-A-M14HIL XDRLX
(PRDMKNEARSE-N-S-M-KNARE)
NURHENPINSENPBSERCBBNSENPRSEINC
ENSENMRSE DPREHLDWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
VA-PRPPITXLYPPIYNCBE MGKSEWCDRCBRNSEPRSE
ERDRCBRNSE NTSSHENTXSE-CRSLE-CLTRSEWLDNCBE
ROWLDNCBETSMELRSERLSEURGLNEASNWLDNCBE
(GUPFSENLSRENCBE)NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
(ONNETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
(NDRSEPQSEONDE71NCBE)
(NANSEPRSEONSDE74NCBE)
(ANTSEPRSEONREDE75NCBE)
(LDNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSE TOTEWLDN1HLDNCBE)
(ED4WLD'SNCBE)(TRFXL)


Hang on, I think I've got something.

Oh, no. Noooooo!


It's a COOKBOOK!!!!
 
2011-03-30 03:27:50 PM  
High school dropout?
Could read and write, ok.
Language: Bad Spelling english. (sic)

Other attempts focus at cracking a "code" what if it isn't encoded so much as written for an audience of one? Each letter represents the initial letter of the word the author wants to remember.
IE NCBE = Nobody Can Believe Everything
It was a phrase he used often.
 
2011-03-30 03:30:53 PM  

Wenchmaster: I'm probably older than you are, however


44.
 
2011-03-30 03:35:13 PM  
Oof, why don't they just ask the killer what it says? That would be the most obvious way to figure it out.

Or, are they trying to say they don't know who the killer is? Well then, this is clever. You put the notes out there, and the killer, hoping to gain notoriety for cracking the code, contacts the FBI to let them know what it says. And, voila! They have him! The FBI is good.
 
2011-03-30 03:36:58 PM  
dittybopper: 44.

47.

/Wounded, old, and dangerous
 
2011-03-30 03:43:19 PM  
I think NCBE has to to with Canterbury Enterprises in St. Louis, Mo. (in Canterbury Enterprises, inc.) I think it is a list of opportunities available to him. At one point he shorthands "God-damn insecure Brain". He noted they needed floor person on 7/1 (July 1) a card sealer person (or candy selling person for a 4th of July event) on the 4th and a Parts Person on the 5th. Al of the Services Canterbury Provides.

They have been around for a while so if this guy was a special needs person, it could just be a boring list of opportunities and people and places he needs to be for Canterbury Enterprises, Inc.

The main thing to remember in this shorthand is that he is probably dyslexic. Most of the note makes sense if you are slightly dyslexic. It also looks like he will write something slightly longer-hand to begin with and condense it as he memorizes his custom shorthand meanings. You can see that happening with Caterbury Enterprises Inc. getting shortened to CBE towards the end of the note.
 
2011-03-30 03:45:05 PM  
Page one is solved:

P1


Why is The Horse Whisper (or is it not) a good film? To answer this, look in more detail at the following scenes:
• the set-up (the opening) - what we see, hear and understand. Note the viewpoint - the riders, the truck driver, the way they come together
• how horrific injuries to Pilgrim are depicted (the horse was not really hurt in the filming)
• scenes where Tom and Grace work with Pilgrim
• the conclusion/climax to the film
• how well the novel has been adapted - is this a film for viewers of both sexes?
• How well does the film depict technical aspects of horsemanship and training horses?
• How well does this film compare with other horse films (such as National Velvet, International Velvet, Black Beauty and so on)?
• Finish your response with a personal evaluation - what you liked about the film, and why.
In writing about The Horse Whisperer you may use reviews from magazines or Web sites.
 
2011-03-30 03:47:03 PM  

dittybopper: Carousel Beast: I want to preface this because I've found your posts to be fascinating and educational, and I genuinely appreciate them.

But...

WTF do you do in life that requires so much secrecy?!?!?!??

Absolutely nothing. It was an intellectual exercise. It's one thing to read about how something is or was done, and another to try it for yourself.

Having said that, it's not a bad thing to know that you can, if need be, communicate in perfect secrecy (at least in regards to the contents of the message) in a cheap way that if properly used is now and will forever be completely unbreakable.


That is an excellent answer and I appreciate it.

This thread has been wonderful. Thanks again for your contributions! :)
 
2011-03-30 04:03:25 PM  

Wenchmaster: dittybopper: 44.

47.

/Wounded, old, and dangerous


OK, you got me beat, but not by much. And I probably have a more dangerous haircut.
 
2011-03-30 04:13:33 PM  

Happy Hours: BLIXX: Good point. I think a normal person walks around with highly encrypted pieces of paper.

Absolutely.
It's my list of passwords hidden in a word find.


NORMAL

person.
 
2011-03-30 04:23:25 PM  
TRFXL!
 
2011-03-30 04:29:07 PM  
I'm not going to read this entire thread to see if anyone got this yet or not, but NCBE is definitely WORK.

His handwriting is atrocious, so it's hard to tell his Ls from his Cs, but I'm pretty sure the last line is:

194 WCD's NCBE = 194 DON'T WORK

I'm pretty sure in his language he used the same amount of letters as the corresponding word in English. He also used the same fake word every time. However, I don't think there's any rhyme or reason to what letters he used to make up his own words.
 
2011-03-30 04:33:03 PM  
Has anyone mentioned yet that it might be an alien instructional text utilizing human flesh as the main ingredient?

/TO SERVE MAN
//IT'S A COOKBOOK!
//shaddup already.
 
2011-03-30 04:42:40 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: I've got a partial translation:


"NOW I HAVE A MACHINE GUN"
 
2011-03-30 04:53:10 PM  
Further
I like a combination crypto/shorthand style, but also PRSEON looks a lot like a person, so could we have a combo of shorthand, with crypto, with egregious misspellings?
 
2011-03-30 05:03:36 PM  
Just when I think i'm getting somewhere with it, the rules seem to change... IT'S PISSIN ME OFF!
 
2011-03-30 05:12:27 PM  
There are misspellings. For instance, I beliece that TFXL referred to in the second line of body text is supposed to be the same word as TRFXC at the very end of the note. I think he just left out a letter while writing fast and his Cs and Ls are hard to tell apart. However, none of it is shorthand, so don't be fooled by anything that appears to be English. He definitely coded everything and stuck to it.

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: Further
I like a combination crypto/shorthand style, but also PRSEON looks a lot like a person, so could we have a combo of shorthand, with crypto, with egregious misspellings?

 
2011-03-30 05:15:37 PM  
On first glance, I thought I'd skipped to the Politics tab.
 
2011-03-30 05:25:03 PM  

ffacker: There are misspellings. For instance, I beliece that TFXL referred to in the second line of body text is supposed to be the same word as TRFXC at the very end of the note. I think he just left out a letter while writing fast and his Cs and Ls are hard to tell apart. However, none of it is shorthand, so don't be fooled by anything that appears to be English. He definitely coded everything and stuck to it.

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: Further
I like a combination crypto/shorthand style, but also PRSEON looks a lot like a person, so could we have a combo of shorthand, with crypto, with egregious misspellings?


Well I'm not so sure it's done in a hurry. The misspelling possibly, but he spent the time to try and correct a few. I do think you are correct on the TRFXL.

What's really bugging me, is the punction. There is none except at the very end of page 1 or PI where he puts WLD'S there is no other.
 
2011-03-30 05:37:12 PM  
NCBE might stand for the National Confrence of Bar Examiners
I also crossrefrenced the word WLD, which appear before almost every NCBE (WLDNCBE). I come up with alot of lawyer refrences. Find lawyers and such.
The last line of page one has
194 WLD'SNCBE
which could fit theres 194 laweyrs on the National Confrence of Bar Examiners in 1999
wish i had history of the vitim to see if that has any link
 
2011-03-30 05:41:11 PM  

BLIXX: ffacker: There are misspellings. For instance, I beliece that TFXL referred to in the second line of body text is supposed to be the same word as TRFXC at the very end of the note. I think he just left out a letter while writing fast and his Cs and Ls are hard to tell apart. However, none of it is shorthand, so don't be fooled by anything that appears to be English. He definitely coded everything and stuck to it.

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: Further
I like a combination crypto/shorthand style, but also PRSEON looks a lot like a person, so could we have a combo of shorthand, with crypto, with egregious misspellings?

Well I'm not so sure it's done in a hurry. The misspelling possibly, but he spent the time to try and correct a few. I do think you are correct on the TRFXL.

What's really bugging me, is the punction. There is none except at the very end of page 1 or PI where he puts WLD'S there is no other.


There is punctiation, it's just coded. There are strange marks in that top parenthetical. Then there are marks, which I believe show series, in the parenths on the second line. There's a couple more dots and quiggles throughout.
 
2011-03-30 05:45:22 PM  
A always comes after NCBE
 
2011-03-30 05:46:16 PM  
Mods please delete my last post i'm wrong.
 
2011-03-30 05:52:50 PM  
I just had to come back to this before I left work. I finally realized why the RXL and XL in the little section I looked at made me think of meds. The common suffixes on extended release meds are ER, XR, and XL. Also CR (continuous release) and MR (modified release) are used, as well as SR (sustained release) and SA (sustained action).
 
2011-03-30 06:50:35 PM  

NicoFinn: What if it's not based on English?


could be based on anything...heck just yesterday I saw video clip on crypto that was based off of musical notes! who would've thought! a musical montage is a freaking message!!!

I've also seen based on the PI value where a = 3, b = . c =1 , d = 4 etc etc up to certain decimals and then the 2nd iteration starts on the second decimal place and so forth!

You need a supercomputer to brute force crack some of these things otherwise it's impossible or sheer luck can sometimes help also.
 
2011-03-30 06:51:37 PM  
You know, looking at it, especially at the repetition of certain letter clusters, it reminds me of some kind of agglutinative conlang. So the words could be made up of individual morphemes. As an example, here's something in Georgian I grabbed from Wikipedia:

xval- (tomorrow) -ad (adverbial) -mde (drops d) becomes the word "xvalamde" which means up to coontil) tomorrow.

Semitic languages also have a feature that is kind of similar - to paraphrase, the word in Arabic for horse is "faras" which comes from the root consonants "frs" which means to break or to crush, probably because of the was a horse's hooves pound on the ground. "Farasa" means to kill or tear apart and "farrasha" means to brush or untangle your hair.

And so do some Native languages. I'm guessing that because of the letter frequency (and his lack of training, being presumably a native speaker of English, etc.) it would resemble English and other Indo-European languages regardless. But does anyone know if he had Jewish or Native ancestry?

(I'm assuming that at some point in the past decade they've had people taking a linguistic or crypto-linguistic approach look at it already, but it's fun to think about.)
 
2011-03-30 07:40:49 PM  
I'm glad to see other people as obsessed as I am.

A theory. Maybe the guy has 4 or 5 keys that he knows very well, through practice, each just a few letters long.

So, he thinks of a word in his head, adds the key a character at a time, and then notes the specific key at the end of the word, as SE, BE, etc.

The digram "SE" appears far too often and in places too odd for it to represent a character, or for it to be an outcome of cryptography.

The problem with this key theory is with the area that looks like tabular data. Line one and two are very similar, which would be expected, because they have the same exact length. Line three, though, has two additional characters, but retains the form.

This could indicated that the "BE" key, in my model, is only 2 characters long.

Thoughts?
 
2011-03-30 09:21:24 PM  
I think every letter is the first letter in a word. This would make it nearly uncrackable to anybody but him, as police would have no idea as to what words, metaphors and cliches he used in his everyday language.
 
2011-03-30 09:33:53 PM  
I don't believe that's code. It lacks the randomization of a OTP and really looks like someones personal jotting. Lots of abbreviations or some sort of personal short-hand or even gibberish that evokes a particular memory. Upper/lower-case and punctuation looks only to be a slip-up or afterthought (former/latter). Dunno...maybe I'm way off, but sure looks un-cipher-like to me.
 
2011-03-30 09:36:25 PM  

TheyCallThisWork: I'm glad to see other people as obsessed as I am.

A theory. Maybe the guy has 4 or 5 keys that he knows very well, through practice, each just a few letters long.

So, he thinks of a word in his head, adds the key a character at a time, and then notes the specific key at the end of the word, as SE, BE, etc.

The digram "SE" appears far too often and in places too odd for it to represent a character, or for it to be an outcome of cryptography.

The problem with this key theory is with the area that looks like tabular data. Line one and two are very similar, which would be expected, because they have the same exact length. Line three, though, has two additional characters, but retains the form.

This could indicated that the "BE" key, in my model, is only 2 characters long.

Thoughts?


If it is shorthand/anagram it could be missing key letters or a combination of letters stand for a word or words.

Let's say the killer wrote it. NCBE could very well stand for killer,killed,murderer, or murdered since it shows up so much and is at the end of a few key sentences. Or it could be a exclamation point who knows. If this is the case, some letters could be randomly mixed up to make it look like cryptography .


I was reading Yahoo comments on the linked article and someone pointed out that these lines look like this.
WLDN = Would've
(FLR SEPQSEON DE71 NCBE) = First person DEC 1971 ?
(CDN SEPRSEONS DE74 NCBE) = Second person DEC 1974 ?
(BRT SEPRSEONRE DE75 NCBE) = Third persons DEC 1975 ?
(TFNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSE TOTEWLDN1HLDNCBE)


I think these lines are key since the have they have the same repeated combinations.

Looks pretty farking creepy.
 
2011-03-31 12:54:41 AM  
Link (He was last seen at forest park, does that not ring a bell? 74SPRKSE)
 
2011-03-31 12:55:43 AM  

BLIXX: Link (He was last seen at forest park, does that not ring a bell? 74SPRKSE)


Link (new window)
 
2011-03-31 12:59:01 AM  

Theory Of Null: Let's say the killer wrote it. NCBE could very well stand for killer,killed,murderer, or murdered since it shows up so much and is at the end of a few key sentences. Or it could be a exclamation point who knows. If this is the case, some letters could be randomly mixed up to make it look like cryptography .


Nobody thinks the killer wrote it. The victim wrote it.

Anyway, yes, I'd guess it is a mix of things. Some is probably just minor obfuscation (letter shuffling, etc.) But, I think some of it is actually code.

There are some weird things in there. The phrase wldncbe shows up a lot, as well as both wld and ncbe on their own. In one place, there's something that looks like wld's ncbe, and in another place wldnwldncbe.

There's something in there that isn't exactly simple.

Reminds me of an old French Cipher that encoded syllables into letter groups.
 
2011-03-31 01:09:56 AM  

BLIXX: BLIXX: Link (He was last seen at forest park, does that not ring a bell? 74SPRKSE)

Link (new window)


Thanks for this. And yes, 4S PRK could be something. Not surprising there is that SE after it. There are SEs everywhere.
 
2011-03-31 01:16:49 AM  

Theory Of Null: (FLR SEPQSEON DE71 NCBE)
(CDN SEPRSEONS DE74 NCBE)
(BRT SEPRSEONRE DE75 NCBE)


Maybe bus routes. The guy was on public assistance.

They have probably changed since 1999, but there is a St. Louis Metro route 74 to Florissant and a 73 to Carondelet.
 
2011-03-31 01:20:17 AM  
Here is the translation:

A Rabbi, an astronaut and Grover Cleveland walk into a bar . . .
 
2011-03-31 02:39:50 AM  
supaace
2011-03-30 05:37:12 PM


NCBE might stand for the National Confrence of Bar Examiners
I also crossrefrenced the word WLD, which appear before almost every NCBE (WLDNCBE). I come up with alot of lawyer refrences. Find lawyers and such.
The last line of page one has
194 WLD'SNCBE
which could fit theres 194 laweyrs on the National Confrence of Bar Examiners in 1999
wish i had history of the vitim to see if that has any link


- I was looking at the above from Supaace, let's say that NCBE does refer to the National Conference of Bar Examiners. If you google search this it comes up with Practice tests where people ask if 71 is a good score, practice tests are out of 100, not 250 like the real exam.
I am thinking that the DE 71, 74, 75, etc. is not referring to Highways but to practice test scores for the Exam.
"PRSE" could be shorthand for Practice Exam.
The WLD in "194WLD's" could stand for worldlawdirect.com, maybe he was researching something on the site, it could be a page number, a topic, etc. All this would be relevant to the NCBE.
As I looked into "DE", "SDE" and "REDE" many of these relate to tests, grammar tests and other types. These could have been subsections to tests by the NCBE back in 1999 and these could have been different practice tests that he took and he was just jotting down the scores in his own version of shorthand.
 
2011-03-31 02:49:47 AM  

tombb25: - I was looking at the above from Supaace, let's say that NCBE does refer to the National Conference of Bar Examiners. If you google search this it comes up with Practice tests where people ask if 71 is a good score, practice tests are out of 100, not 250 like the real exam.
I am thinking that the DE 71, 74, 75, etc. is not referring to Highways but to practice test scores for the Exam.


Not to shoot you down, but the guy was an unemployed high school drop out on public assistance. I'd be mightily impressed if he was studying for the bar.
 
2011-03-31 03:36:02 AM  
The victim's parents say that he'd been using such coding since he was a kid. Great, now had they paid more attention to him and perhaps asked him about it, we wouldn't be in such a farking pickle.

Parents: pay more attention to your child, you never now what kind of information the FBI will need to find the future murderer.
 
2011-03-31 07:51:06 AM  
First let's learn a little bit about Ricky McCormick. The FBI never reveals how he was murdered, so I decided to do my own research. These are partial articles since there were archives.

OMAN FINDS BODY OF BLACK MAN NEAR CORNFIELD OUTSIDE WEST ALTON
SOURCE:    Shane Anthony

Of The Post-Dispatch
PUBLICATION: St. Louis Post-Dispatch
DATE: July 1, 1999
SECTION: METRO EDITION: THREE STAR
PAGE: B2
WORD COUNT: 156
ID#: 9907010353
The partly decomposed body of a black man was found Wednesday afternoon by a woman driving along a path on the edge of a cornfield in the West Alton area. The man appeared to have suffered an injury to the head, officials with the St. Charles County Sheriff's Department said.

The cause of death has not been determined, and authorities are treating it as a suspicious death.

The body was found in an open area by the southeast corner of the cornfield between the field road


Here is another article

BODY FOUND IN FIELD NEAR WEST ALTON PUZZLES POLICE
NO CAUSE OF DEATH DETERMINED YET, BUT IDENTITY IS KNOWN
CASE IS TREATED AS A HOMICIDE
SOURCE: Shane Anthony
Of The St. Charles County Post
PUBLICATION: St. Louis Post-Dispatch
DATE: July 2, 1999
SECTION: ST. CHARLES COUNTY POST
EDITION: FIVE STAR LIFT
PAGE: 1
WORD COUNT: 542
ID#: 9907020220
Authorities know the identity of a man found dead near West Alton on Wednesday afternoon, but they have a lot of unanswered questions.
The body of Ricky McCormick, 41, who had addresses in St. Louis, Belleville and Fairview Heights, was found near a cornfield by a woman driving along a field road near Highway 367.
But how McCormick died and ended up where he did is still a mystery.

AUTHORITIES LEARN IDENTITY OF BODY FOUND NEAR WEST ALTON
SOURCE: Shane Anthony
Of The Post-Dispatch
PUBLICATION: St. Louis Post-Dispatch
DATE: July 2, 1999
SECTION: METRO
EDITION: FIVE STAR LIFT
PAGE: C3
WORD COUNT: 195
ID#: 9907020172
Authorities say the body found near West Alton on Wednesday was that of Ricky McCormick, 41, who had addresses in St. Louis, Belleville and Fairview Heights. He was identified by fingerprints on Thursday.
Police are asking for the public's help in determining how McCormick died and how his body wound up where it did - near Highway 367 between St. Louis and Alton.
A woman driving along a field road west of Highway 367 found McCormick's body about 12:45 p.m.

Article 1 of 1
LAW & ORDER
SOURCE:
PUBLICATION: St. Louis Post-Dispatch
DATE: July 3, 1999
SECTION: NEWS
EDITION: FIVE STAR LIFT
PAGE: 10
WORD COUNT: 703
ID#: 9907030192
WEST ALTON
Man found near field may have died naturally
The Major Case Squad was wrapping up its investigation Friday into the death of Ricky McCormick, 41, whose body was found Wednesday near a cornfield off Highway 367 near West Alton.
Maj. Tom O'Connor said medical examiners had not been able to determine a cause of death, and the 18 people working the case had found no evidence of a crime. The squad was turning the investigation back to the St. Charles.


2ND BODY FOUND IN SIX WEEKS IS IDENTIFIED
SOURCE: Michele Munz
Of The St. Charles County Post
PUBLICATION: St. Louis Post-Dispatch (MO)
DATE: July 3, 2001
SECTION: ST. CHARLES COUNTY POST
EDITION: FIVE STAR LIFT
PAGE: 1
WORD COUNT: 644
ID#: 0107030288
Authorities have tentatively identified the body of a woman dumped Friday morning along Highway 67 near West Alton, the second body found in the same spot within the past six weeks.
Detectives believe the body is that of a missing woman, 37, from Washington Park, Ill. She was last seen by friends the evening of June 22. Authorities are not releasing her name until she is positively identified.


ST. CHARLES COUNTY AREA IS CALLED HAVEN FOR CRIME COVER-UPS 4 BODIES HAVE BEEN FOUND IN STRETCH OF LAND
SOURCE: Michele Munz
Of The Post-Dispatch
PUBLICATION: St. Louis Post-Dispatch (MO)
DATE: July 4, 2001
SECTION: METRO
EDITION: ILLINOIS FIVE STAR LIFT
PAGE: B1
WORD COUNT: 543
ID#: 0107040333
In the past six years, four bodies have been found near the tiny town of West Alton along Highway 67, a two-mile stretch of road that connects the Clark Bridge over the Mississippi River and the Lewis Bridge over the Missouri River.
Two of those bodies were found in the last two months, just 16 feet apart. Both were black women. They were found nude, and neither had apparent signs of injury.


Im doing more digging but this will help us determine more about this crime. The answer may not be in the areas we are looking.

Lets also learn a little more about West Alton

According to Wikipedia, West Alton is a city in St. Charles County, Missouri, United States. The population was 573 at the 2000 census.
West Alton is located at 38°52′4″N 90°13′33″W (38.867798, -90.225856)[3].

As of the census[1] of 2000, there were 573 people, 211 households, and 147 families residing in the city. The population density was 20.2 people per square mile (7.8/km²). There were 291 housing units at an average density of 10.3/sq mi (4.0/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 99.13% White, 0.17% Native American, 0.17% Asian, 0.52% from other races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 0.52% of the population.

So lets figure this out... 573 people here and quite a few murders.


As I dug deeper.. I found this article which I cannot copy. Dates look about right

Maury Troy Travis ( why do all serial killers have 3 names?)

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=8nxFAAAAIBAJ&sjid=PMcMAAAAIBAJ&pg​=1348,683 3 214&dq=west-alton+murder&hl=en
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=COAvAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HTwDAAAAIBAJ&pg​=3013,629 9 525&hl=en

More information, yet his drug rehab dates are not available. Not sure if it was in patient or out patient.
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60A1FFF35590C728DDDAF​0894DA404 4 82

Some more news from West Alton

By Kalen Ponche | Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2007 12:00 am |

A hunter discovered human remains just 15 feet off Highway 94 near West Alton on Monday afternoon.
The hunter reported finding a human skull under some brush on the side of the road about 4:30 p.m., according to the St. Charles County Sheriff's Department.
The sheriff's department secured the scene and began searching the area early Tuesday, said Lt. Craig McGuire with the St. Charles County Sheriff's Department.
The remains, which included a skull, teeth and bone fragments, were taken to the medical examiner's office Wednesday morning.
McGuire said police are checking on missing person leads and have been in touch with authorities in other counties in attempt to identify the remains. As of Wednesday, the remains had been classified as a suspicious death.
"If nothing is cleared up immediately, we'll try to develop a victim profile - possible age, sex, race - and hopefully try to develop some leads," he said.
McGuire said the medical examiner would compare dental records and possibly use DNA to identify the person. He said he was not sure when the results would be available.
"In situations like this there is no room for mistake, so they make very close examinations," he said.
Human remains have been discovered around West Alton several times in the past few years, McGuire said.
"It's a rural, remote area that's wedged between two metropolitan areas, that being Alton, Ill., and St. Louis city," he said.

Im doing more digging, I think we need to learn much more before we try tracking a code.
 
2011-03-31 08:54:32 AM  
Am I the only one seeing a difference in E's? Some are squarish the way E's are supposed to be but some are round, like an epsilon. I can't speak for everyone but I pretty much always make my E's the same way, but his vary back and forth quite a bit.
 
2011-03-31 09:45:08 AM  

sxacho: Am I the only one seeing a difference in E's? Some are squarish the way E's are supposed to be but some are round, like an epsilon. I can't speak for everyone but I pretty much always make my E's the same way, but his vary back and forth quite a bit.


People have been mentioning medication ... Reports are saying he was at the hospital before he died. You are thinking of a C with a bar through it; I believe it means "with".
 
2011-03-31 09:54:51 AM  
PRSE = HERE
NPRSE = WHERE
NCBE = WORK
INC = NOW
WLD'S = either DON'T or WON'T
N'P = either I'M or I'D
TFRNE probably = WHILE but I'm not confident in that yet
 
2011-03-31 10:26:43 AM  
The guy was obviously an EverQuest Freak. Does anyone remember how addicted people got with that game?

It's in the Zones
 
2011-03-31 10:37:49 AM  

Pesto360: Im doing more digging, I think we need to learn much more before we try tracking a code.


Why would a man without visible means of support have three addresses?

He may have worked for a pimp. It doesn't seem to be code, just letter play. He turns his letter shapes ninety degrees from usual. U is written as C. f is written as n (no cross). Lots of letters are written as E (w k etc).

Just my 2 cents.
 
2011-03-31 10:56:49 AM  

ffacker: PRSE = HERE
NPRSE = WHERE
NCBE = WORK
INC = NOW
WLD'S = either DON'T or WON'T
N'P = either I'M or I'D
TFRNE probably = WHILE but I'm not confident in that yet


Eh? How does that even work?
 
2011-03-31 11:03:35 AM  
[image from sterlinghamilton.com too old to be available]
 
2011-03-31 11:53:45 AM  

Delay: Pesto360: Im doing more digging, I think we need to learn much more before we try tracking a code.

Why would a man without visible means of support have three addresses?

He may have worked for a pimp. It doesn't seem to be code, just letter play. He turns his letter shapes ninety degrees from usual. U is written as C. f is written as n (no cross). Lots of letters are written as E (w k etc).

Just my 2 cents.


One of the articles said he wasn't married, but he had at least four children. I'm guessing he was rotating between babymomma houses.
 
2011-03-31 12:37:56 PM  
"Oh freddled gruntbuggly/thy micturations are to me/As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.
Groop I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes. And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles,
Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't!"
 
2011-03-31 12:48:56 PM  

Kozmopoliskepticalopsis: Al_Ed: Here's a possible clue to solving this...

Link (new window)


I haven't seen this in literally decades!

It makes me wonder though ... why do college-age girls need to learn the alphabet?



That's a silly question. How else do you expect them to read recipes when they're cooking?
 
2011-03-31 02:54:42 PM  

BLIXX: "Oh freddled gruntbuggly/thy micturations are to me/As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.
Groop I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes. And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles,
Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don't!"


Did you miss the part about these notes being something the victim has written his entire life, and probably has nothing to do with the murder?
 
2011-03-31 08:43:45 PM  
71 = July 1st? That's the day when someone found him dead, maybe it's the same day he was killed... Maybe July 1st (71) was when he was supposed to do some deal.
 
2011-03-31 10:52:33 PM  
To be honest why is everyone calling an encryption code. It is not that.

The person closest to figuring it out is code name (21-7-b)


While you guys try finding theories that work, wasting time. 21-7-b knows what I mean.
 
2011-03-31 10:56:39 PM  
is the one code name 21-7-b out there tonight
 
2011-04-01 08:52:52 AM  
I am code name 21-7-b.
 
2011-04-01 11:05:27 AM  
cute
 
2011-04-02 09:05:04 AM  

SuperNinjaToad: NicoFinn: What if it's not based on English?

could be based on anything...heck just yesterday I saw video clip on crypto that was based off of musical notes! who would've thought! a musical montage is a freaking message!!!

I've also seen based on the PI value where a = 3, b = . c =1 , d = 4 etc etc up to certain decimals and then the 2nd iteration starts on the second decimal place and so forth!

You need a supercomputer to brute force crack some of these things otherwise it's impossible or sheer luck can sometimes help also.


I'd need a LOT of adderall to sit through cracking that. The musical code was cool, though. Hate to be the guy that had to crack that one.
 
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