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2011-03-30 08:36:57 AM  

shijjiri: ...Considering the allegedly limited intellectual prowess of the victim, perhaps they're diphthongs?


You leave sirenia out of this.
 
2011-03-30 08:37:22 AM  

unicron702: It's random, or it's a one time pad. It's not solvable.


Or the sample size is too small for statistical analysis.

Hell, it could be random keys for encryption (PGP, etc.) and not actual messages.

And why are you all just posting letter counts? You'll want some digraph and trigraph counts as well, but I don't have time right now.
 
2011-03-30 08:38:06 AM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Anyone consider it might just be random letters and numbers?


Except for the one apostrophe. That is what got me.
 
2011-03-30 08:38:21 AM  

cassanovascotian: k, there's a problem with the transcrption from
lionfish:

We don't know for sure that it's not case-sensitive.
for example the first line:

ALPNTE GLSE-SE ERtE

should be
ALPNTE GLSE-SE ERTE

followed by
VLSE mTSE-CTSE-wSE-FRTSE
not
VLSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE

It's a bit odd that 'm' is always lower-case, but since 't' is sometimes capitalized, and sometimes not, means that it's worth considering.
OTOH, I'm also going to agree with FlyingLizardOfDoom: : It's probably just random characters, from a lunatic who wants to feel like noone can break his gibberish code; but if you guys still wanna give it a try, good luck.


So my hand writing is absolutely terrible, I was definitely born to type. When I'm not paying attention to my writing some letters tend to always be capitalized (N, M, and T), if I'm paying attention to it they tend not to be however. If I were attempting to apply a complicated letter arrangement cypher I get the feeling I would oscillate between the two states without much predictability.

Not that any of that discounts your case sensitivity point. But the letter distribution as compared to English does still make it seem less likely to be letter substitution and more likely to be letter arrangement.
 
2011-03-30 08:40:27 AM  
WTF? LOL!!
 
2011-03-30 08:41:24 AM  
"Skinnyhead is an alt"
 
2011-03-30 08:42:37 AM  

mycatisposter: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Anyone consider it might just be random letters and numbers?

Except for the one apostrophe. That is what got me.


Apparently WLD owns something. Anyone consider these are directions that the guy wrote out for the murderer and thus gave him motive for the killing. Cause I know if I was lost and some smart ass wrote directions down like this for me, I'd be a little peeved.
 
2011-03-30 08:44:26 AM  

Wonko Fortytwo: 99.84.55

* ISP: SBC Internet Services
* Organization: SBC Internet Services
* Hosted in: United States
* 1 Hosts on this IP address


99.84.5 5UNEPLSENCRSEADLTSENSKSENBSE

99.84.5...Sonnie, please encrypt the adult-sensitive sex stuff, its embarrassing.
 
2011-03-30 08:46:14 AM  

Sid_6.7: unicron702: It's random, or it's a one time pad. It's not solvable.

Or the sample size is too small for statistical analysis.

Hell, it could be random keys for encryption (PGP, etc.) and not actual messages.

And why are you all just posting letter counts? You'll want some digraph and trigraph counts as well, but I don't have time right now.


I did letter pair counts in the same script that I did the single letter counts with, didn't bother doing three letter sets. Distribution was pretty ugly and the list was ridiculously long. I stopped going down that route when I made that graph and saw the English like distribution of the single letters.

dittybopper: Has anyone thought of the possibility of a simple monoalphabetic substitution (which would explain the very English-like frequency counts), combined with some form of transposition?

That would be relatively easy to do by hand, it would account for the letter distribution, and if the transposition scheme was goofy enough, explain why it hasn't been decrypted yet.


So, uh, I'm not really a crypto-nerd, I'm just a nerd that likes puzzles and knows how to do string manipulation in PHP so I can easily parse a lot of text at once.

My ten second adventure on Wikipedia ( monoalphabetic cipher ) would seem to still disagree with that cipher being used based on the distribution. The graph I made represents the frequency of each letter in sequence compared between mr lawsons table and the letter count based on lionfishs raw text. So unless the substitution is based on swapping out letters of similar frequency (and the odd missing non-e vowels), I don't see this as substitution as much as rearranging.
 
2011-03-30 08:47:56 AM  
LRSERLSE

historycat: They're directions.

I 71, I 74, and I 75 all converge in Cincinnati.


OK, those are all preceded by DE's:

(FLR=SEPQ=SEON=DE71=NCBE)
(CDN=SEPR=SEON=SDE74=NCBE)
(BRT=SEPR=SEON=REDE75=NCBE)


Does DE stand in for I? Perhaps in some kind of square with D being one coordinate and E being the other?

/Just throwing crap out there, seeing what sticks.
 
2011-03-30 08:48:28 AM  

NkThrasher: the letter distribution as compared to English does still make it seem less likely to be letter substitution and more likely to be letter arrangement.


true.
I just noticed the (ALSM) at the top right corner of the first page (missing from the transcription). That's usually where someone would put a date right? Then it would seem plausible that there's some degree of number-letter substitution going on.
does the article say when the note was found?
 
2011-03-30 08:49:42 AM  
It's the random scribblings of a raving lunatic.

What do I win?
 
2011-03-30 08:49:54 AM  
mikaloyd: fascinating case, the Taman Shud one.

If this guy hadn't used numbers, I would've suggested a Vigenere cipher, but even if that were the case, we'd still need the keyword.

On a side note, does anyone have a link to an article about the case itself?
 
2011-03-30 08:53:21 AM  
Hmm, looks like Welsh.
 
2011-03-30 08:54:59 AM  

Thrash Attack: Hmm, looks like Welsh.


So we're screwed then.
 
2011-03-30 08:55:54 AM  

historycat: They're directions.

I 71, I 74, and I 75 all converge in Cincinnati.


I noticed that as well, but it's weird not to mention US-50 along with 71, 75 and 74. Living in Cincinnati, when you want to get on 71 or 75, most of the time you get on US-50, also known as Columbia Parkway or River Road, and to get on 74 you would take 75 north, which would mean getting on US-50 first.

Of course that's the way I take, living on the west side. Obviously it would differ for someone living to the north or east.

He also refers to 74 again on the other page. The line reads:

26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE

At the beginning it looks to me like short hand for "26 miles East 74" which would make sense considering 74 runs East and West.

Of course then again it could all be babblespeak.
 
2011-03-30 08:57:47 AM  
This looks more like an excerpt from that lady's book about the Greek Seaman that was reviewed yesterday.
 
2011-03-30 08:58:19 AM  

cassanovascotian: NkThrasher: the letter distribution as compared to English does still make it seem less likely to be letter substitution and more likely to be letter arrangement.

true.
I just noticed the (ALSM) at the top right corner of the first page (missing from the transcription). That's usually where someone would put a date right? Then it would seem plausible that there's some degree of number-letter substitution going on.
does the article say when the note was found?


LASM must really be A/S/L? It's an AIM message!
 
2011-03-30 08:59:33 AM  
Have we got anything to come at it from the other direction?

Why was he killed? Was it random, was it because he was an easy target, was he a dealer?

If he was a dealer we could look at some of the entries being times he could pick up money - be - before evening, ncbe - no chance before evening, etc

/the fact that so many lines end with "e" makes me think that is relevant and each line has some separate meaning
 
2011-03-30 09:00:05 AM  
NTENTE GLSE-SE ERTE
EYSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE
VOETRSE ONDRSEWLD NCBE
EURDZLRCMSPNEWLDSTSMEXL
RDTMT6TUNSE NCBEXC
(GOYSAISTENMUNARSE)
OWOE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE
(NNU6NSE SE NMBSE)
NNNRCBRNSEPTE2PTEWSREBKNSE
AEMLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE
GV6LE CLGSEOUNUTKEDKRSE PSESHLE
IE1MTCSEHTLSENCUTCTRS NMRE
VR.84.5 5UNEPLSENCRSEADLTSENSKSENBSE
EGREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3XORL)
YOSENRSEIN2NTRLERCBRNSENTSRCRBNE
ONPNSENGSPSEMKSEKBSEPCBEAVXL'R
UNCRENMREFCBE 1/2MUNDPLSE
U-A-M14HIL XDRLX
(PRDMKNEARSE-N-S-M-KNARE)
NURHENPINSENPBSERCBBNSENPRSEINC
ENSENMRSE DPREHLDWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
VA-PRPPITXLYPPIYNCBE MGKSEWCDRCBRNSEPRSE
ERDRCBRNSE NTSSHENTXSE-CRSLE-CLTRSEWLDNCBE
ROWLDNCBETSMELRSERLSEURGLNEASNWLDNCBE
(GUPFSENLSRENCBE)NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
(ONNETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
(NDRSEPQSEONDE71NCBE)
(NANSEPRSEONSDE74NCBE)
(ANTSEPRSEONREDE75NCBE)
(LDNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSE TOTEWLDN1HLDNCBE)
(ED4WLD'SNCBE)(TRFXL)


Hang on, I think I've got something.

Oh, no. Noooooo!
 
2011-03-30 09:00:14 AM  

NkThrasher: So unless the substitution is based on swapping out letters of similar frequency (and the odd missing non-e vowels), I don't see this as substitution as much as rearranging.


So we may be dealing with transposition, but that runs into difficulties with the repeated sequences like this:

(FLR=SEPQ=SEON=DE71=NCBE)
(CDN=SEPR=SEON=SDE74=NCBE)
(BRT=SEPR=SEON=REDE75=NCBE)

which would be highly unlikely in a transposition scheme unless the message was very stylistic and repetitive, which of course given the known history isn't ruled out.

I'm still thinking some kind of Vigenere might be possible. Anybody run a Kasiski test on it yet?
 
2011-03-30 09:02:57 AM  

thelordofcheese: THE GAME


This was my first thought, and why I'm not going anywhere near it.
 
2011-03-30 09:03:33 AM  

EducatedBum: historycat: They're directions.

I 71, I 74, and I 75 all converge in Cincinnati.

I noticed that as well, but it's weird not to mention US-50 along with 71, 75 and 74. Living in Cincinnati, when you want to get on 71 or 75, most of the time you get on US-50, also known as Columbia Parkway or River Road, and to get on 74 you would take 75 north, which would mean getting on US-50 first.

Of course that's the way I take, living on the west side. Obviously it would differ for someone living to the north or east.

He also refers to 74 again on the other page. The line reads:

26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE

At the beginning it looks to me like short hand for "26 miles East 74" which would make sense considering 74 runs East and West.

Of course then again it could all be babblespeak.


26 miles east of 75, South Park street, 29 key or so, left 173, right or South East
 
2011-03-30 09:04:10 AM  
Googling with -code etc brings out some of the original articles archived on highbeam - need someone with a subscription to access them though.
 
2011-03-30 09:04:33 AM  
Wow, check this out:


NTENTE GLSE-SE ERTE
EYSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE
VOETRSE ONDRSEWLD NCBE
EURDZLRCMSPNEWLDSTSMEXL
RDTMT6TUNSE NCBEXC
(GOYSAISTENMUNARSE)
OWOE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE
(NNU6NSE SE NMBSE)
NNNRCBRNSEPTE2PTEWSREBKNSE
AEMLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE
GV6LE CLGSEOUNUTKEDKRSE PSESHLE
IE1MTCSEHTLSENCUTCTRS NMRE
VR.84.5 5UNEPLSENCRSEADLTSENSKSENBSE
EGREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3XORL)
YOSENRSEIN2NTRLERCBRNSENTSRCRBNE
ONPNSENGSPSEMKSEKBSEPCBEAVXL'R
UNCRENMREFCBE 1/2MUNDPLSE
U-A-M14HIL XDRLX
(PRDMKNEARSE-N-S-M-KNARE)
NURHENPINSENPBSERCBBNSENPRSEINC
ENSENMRSE DPREHLDWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
VA-PRPPITXLYPPIYNCBE MGKSEWCDRCBRNSEPRSE
ERDRCBRNSE NTSSHENTXSE-CRSLE-CLTRSEWLDNCBE
ROWLDNCBETSMELRSERLSEURGLNEASNWLDNCBE
(GUPFSENLSRENCBE)NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
(ONNETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
(NDRSEPQSEONDE71NCBE)
(NANSEPRSEONSDE74NCBE)
(ANTSEPRSEONREDE75NCBE)
(LDNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSE TOTEWLDN1HLDNCBE)
(ED4WLD'SNCBE)(TRFXL)
 
2011-03-30 09:08:05 AM  

EducatedBum: 26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE

At the beginning it looks to me like short hand for "26 miles East 74" which would make sense considering 74 runs East and West.


could you "park" and then go South-East 29 kilometers?
according to googlemaps old state road 74 isn't long enough, but theres a university around there.... maybe another route 74?
 
2011-03-30 09:08:53 AM  
That reads like a FARK headline
 
2011-03-30 09:09:45 AM  

cassanovascotian: EducatedBum: 26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE

At the beginning it looks to me like short hand for "26 miles East 74" which would make sense considering 74 runs East and West.

could you "park" and then go South-East 29 kilometers?
according to googlemaps old state road 74 isn't long enough, but theres a university around there.... maybe another route 74?


Where was homeboy killed?
 
2011-03-30 09:10:55 AM  

T-Boy: This looks more like an excerpt from that lady's book about the Greek Seaman that was reviewed yesterday.


Nailed it!
 
2011-03-30 09:11:52 AM  

Limiate: I just tried ALL of those windows keys and NONE of them worked!

This is the WORST torrent site EVER!


Best comment yet
 
2011-03-30 09:15:35 AM  

cassanovascotian: EducatedBum: 26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE

At the beginning it looks to me like short hand for "26 miles East 74" which would make sense considering 74 runs East and West.

could you "park" and then go South-East 29 kilometers?
according to googlemaps old state road 74 isn't long enough, but theres a university around there.... maybe another route 74?


I was thinking maybe there's a road called 29 that runs south, and a park somewhere near there (with a body buried somewhere in the park)?
 
2011-03-30 09:15:53 AM  

T-Boy: This looks more like an excerpt from that lady's book about the Greek Seaman that was reviewed yesterday.


fark off!
 
2011-03-30 09:19:04 AM  

shijjiri: Where was homeboy killed?


St Louis.
The only other route 74 I found was in Alabama :(
 
2011-03-30 09:21:20 AM  
Stand back everyone; I've read Cryptonomicon.
 
2011-03-30 09:22:04 AM  

cassanovascotian: shijjiri: Where was homeboy killed?

St Louis.
The only other route 74 I found was in Alabama :(


Could be service road 74. If we're talking about heading toward a park or the like in direction that might make more sense. A bit out of the way, as it were.
 
2011-03-30 09:24:29 AM  

Regnad Kcin: NTENTE GLSE-SE ERTE
EYSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE
VOETRSE ONDRSEWLD NCBE
EURDZLRCMSPNEWLDSTSMEXL
RDTMT6TUNSE NCBEXC
(GOYSAISTENMUNARSE)
OWOE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE
(NNU6NSE SE NMBSE)
NNNRCBRNSEPTE2PTEWSREBKNSE
AEMLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE
GV6LE CLGSEOUNUTKEDKRSE PSESHLE
IE1MTCSEHTLSENCUTCTRS NMRE
VR.84.5 5UNEPLSENCRSEADLTSENSKSENBSE
EGREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3XORL)
YOSENRSEIN2NTRLERCBRNSENTSRCRBNE
ONPNSENGSPSEMKSEKBSEPCBEAVXL'R
UNCRENMREFCBE 1/2MUNDPLSE
U-A-M14HIL XDRLX
(PRDMKNEARSE-N-S-M-KNARE)
NURHENPINSENPBSERCBBNSENPRSEINC
ENSENMRSE DPREHLDWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
VA-PRPPITXLYPPIYNCBE MGKSEWCDRCBRNSEPRSE
ERDRCBRNSE NTSSHENTXSE-CRSLE-CLTRSEWLDNCBE
ROWLDNCBETSMELRSERLSEURGLNEASNWLDNCBE
(GUPFSENLSRENCBE)NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
(ONNETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
(NDRSEPQSEONDE71NCBE)
(NANSEPRSEONSDE74NCBE)
(ANTSEPRSEONREDE75NCBE)
(LDNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSE TOTEWLDN1HLDNCBE)
(ED4WLD'SNCBE)(TRFXL)


Hang on, I think I've got something.

Oh, no. Noooooo!


So... How long did it take you to type in those lyrics vertically?

/party pooper
 
2011-03-30 09:24:59 AM  

dittybopper: That's pretty simple, really: So that they can feel superior. Smarter than the cops.


Where were you on June 30th, 1999?
 
2011-03-30 09:28:14 AM  
Assuming that it's not gibberish and that there is a pattern to it all making it repeatable and not a one time pad, let's remember that it was created by a complete and utter whackjob. IMO the only way to make sense of it is to become a complete and utter whackjob.

//whacky logic is whacky
 
2011-03-30 09:29:44 AM  

madcan34: IMO the only way to make sense of it is to become a complete and utter whackjob.


I think we should be able to scare up a few Farkers who arrived here pre-whacked.
 
2011-03-30 09:30:41 AM  
why oh why does the great de-coder avoid this puzzle?

4.bp.blogspot.comView Full Size


perhaps his own dastardly deeds will surface?
 
2011-03-30 09:30:55 AM  

cassanovascotian: EducatedBum: 26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE

At the beginning it looks to me like short hand for "26 miles East 74" which would make sense considering 74 runs East and West.

could you "park" and then go South-East 29 kilometers?
according to googlemaps old state road 74 isn't long enough, but theres a university around there.... maybe another route 74?


You can always park somewhere and then go south east 29 kilometers, even if you parked on the side of the road or something. But then again, why say kilometers when you live in the US? 9 times out of 10 a person would say feet. Just a thought.

I'm not sure what university you're talking about, I know there is a mall in that area (Eastgate Mall) but in Cincinnati there are several "74's". There would be Interstate-74, then State Route-32 which was formerly known as SR-74 until 1962, consequently making Old SR-74, which intersects with SR-32 a bunch of times.
 
2011-03-30 09:33:50 AM  

El Doucho:
So... How long did it take you to type in those lyrics vertically?

/party pooper



Believe it or not, I had to do it twice. I had it all finished and submitted, but Realplayer and my antivirus were updating at the same time and my computer had a stroke and lost it.
 
2011-03-30 09:34:05 AM  
IT's A COOKBOOK!!!
 
2011-03-30 09:34:29 AM  
I'm pretty sure he's talking about a medical cover up for some mental institute in Missouri. Like he was given the wrong drugs and was going psycho. The doctor's killed him to cover up the wrong doing.
 
2011-03-30 09:34:55 AM  

EducatedBum: cassanovascotian: EducatedBum: 26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173RTRSE

At the beginning it looks to me like short hand for "26 miles East 74" which would make sense considering 74 runs East and West.

could you "park" and then go South-East 29 kilometers?
according to googlemaps old state road 74 isn't long enough, but theres a university around there.... maybe another route 74?

You can always park somewhere and then go south east 29 kilometers, even if you parked on the side of the road or something. But then again, why say kilometers when you live in the US? 9 times out of 10 a person would say feet. Just a thought.

I'm not sure what university you're talking about, I know there is a mall in that area (Eastgate Mall) but in Cincinnati there are several "74's". There would be Interstate-74, then State Route-32 which was formerly known as SR-74 until 1962, consequently making Old SR-74, which intersects with SR-32 a bunch of times.


Bike trail markers?
 
2011-03-30 09:34:58 AM  
Reminds me of long hours playing this:

img34.imageshack.usView Full Size


Could use the letter-replacing console from the crypto parts of the game ;)

[image from img5.imageshack.us too old to be available]
 
2011-03-30 09:35:15 AM  

Regnad Kcin: El Doucho:
So... How long did it take you to type in those lyrics vertically?

/party pooper


Believe it or not, I had to do it twice. I had it all finished and submitted, but Realplayer and my antivirus were updating at the same time and my computer had a stroke and lost it.


Looks like you can do the second line as well just start a little lower.
 
2011-03-30 09:36:10 AM  
[image from vitosverdict.com too old to be available]
 
2011-03-30 09:39:18 AM  

The Envoy: dittybopper: That's pretty simple, really: So that they can feel superior. Smarter than the cops.

Where were you on June 30th, 1999?


52829 80537 69548 57947 40136

/Encrypted using the straddling checkerboard and "one time pad" in my profile.
 
2011-03-30 09:39:52 AM  
I think I see a secret message...

YMNDMKNEARSE-N-S-M-KNARE
OTFRHENPINSENPBSERCBBNSENPRSEINC
UPRSENMRSE DPREHLDWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
LAL-PRPPITXLYPPIYNCBE MGKSEWCDRCBRNSEPRSE
OWLDRCBRNSE NTSSHENTXSE-CRSLE-CLTRSEWLDNCBE
SALWLDNCBETSMELRSERLSEURGLNEASNWLDNCBE
ENOPFSENLSRENCBE NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
TTENETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING
HFLRSEPQSEONDE71NCBE
ECDNSEPRSEONSDE74NCBE
GBRTSEPRSEONREDE75NCBE
ATFNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSE TOTEWLDN1HLDNCBE
M194WLD'SNCBE(TRFXL)
ETOTEWLDN
 
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