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(Yahoo)   Farkers unite-- Let's crack this code and find a murderer. Difficulty: no reward or job offered. On the plus side, great story to tell at the Vegas party   ( news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2011-03-30 05:41:59 AM  
"se" about 70 times
 
2011-03-30 05:43:04 AM  
Mods (if anyone sees this) please delete the first attempt at this above....

Letter counts based on lionfishs text:

First Page:
( ) - 16
(') - 1
(() - 3
()) - 3
(-) - 11
(.) - 2
(/) - 1
(A) - 6
(B) - 12
(C) - 17
(D) - 11
(E) - 72
(F) - 2
(G) - 3
(H) - 4
(I) - 3
(K) - 10
(L) - 27
(M) - 19
(N) - 40
(O) - 6
(P) - 13
(R) - 33
(S) - 61
(T) - 25
(U) - 9
(V) - 3
(W) - 7
(X) - 6
(Z) - 1
(1) - 4
(2) - 5
(3) - 3
(4) - 3
(5) - 4
(6) - 5
(7) - 2
(8) - 1
(9) - 3

Second Page:
( ) - 5
(') - 1
(() - 10
()) - 10
(-) - 7
(A) - 5
(B) - 21
(C) - 26
(D) - 19
(E) - 60
(F) - 8
(G) - 4
(H) - 4
(I) - 5
(K) - 3
(L) - 24
(M) - 9
(N) - 46
(O) - 6
(P) - 16
(Q) - 2
(R) - 32
(S) - 36
(T) - 17
(U) - 3
(W) - 8
(X) - 5
(Y) - 2
(1) - 3
(4) - 2
(5) - 1
(7) - 3
(9) - 1

Combined:
( ) - 21
(') - 2
(() - 13
()) - 13
(-) - 18
(.) - 2
(/) - 1
(A) - 11
(B) - 33
(C) - 43
(D) - 30
(E) - 132
(F) - 10
(G) - 7
(H) - 8
(I) - 8
(K) - 13
(L) - 51
(M) - 28
(N) - 86
(O) - 12
(P) - 29
(Q) - 2
(R) - 65
(S) - 97
(T) - 42
(U) - 12
(V) - 3
(W) - 15
(X) - 11
(Y) - 2
(Z) - 1
(1) - 7
(2) - 5
(3) - 3
(4) - 5
(5) - 5
(6) - 5
(7) - 5
(8) - 1
(9) - 4
 
2011-03-30 05:44:44 AM  
"se" = "space"?

be appears about 20 times
 
2011-03-30 05:45:31 AM  

Vodka Zombie: "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."


Hi /.'er!
 
2011-03-30 05:45:43 AM  
Oh, no way!

Colonel Mustard, in the library, with the candlestick...
 
2011-03-30 05:47:49 AM  
un 5 times in 1st, 3 times with m in front, none in 2nd,
 
2011-03-30 05:48:42 AM  

Schlock: ktybear: maybe he was dyslexic

That's an interesting thought. What happens with a code if one writing it was borderline illiterate to begin with? Perhaps a really bad speller, or talking in LOLcat


I'm dyslexic, slightly. When I look at the written notes ( not the typed version ) I can see words that are missing vowels, and words back to front ( sort of ) and it's hard to keep looking at it. Mind you it could be a bit of both, code and weird spelling/syntax etc
 
2011-03-30 05:50:07 AM  
Relative frequencies of letters in the English language
Letter↓ Frequency↓
a 8.167%
b 1.492%
c 2.782%
d 4.253%
e 12.702%
f 2.228%
g 2.015%
h 6.094%
i 6.966%
j 0.153%
k 0.772%
l 4.025%
m 2.406%
n 6.749%
o 7.507%
p 1.929%
q 0.095%
r 5.987%
s 6.327%
t 9.056%
u 2.758%
v 0.978%
w 2.360%
x 0.150%
y 1.974%
z 0.074%
_ 6.378%
 
2011-03-30 05:50:52 AM  
"sen" 15 times
 
2011-03-30 05:51:02 AM  
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2011-03-30 05:51:58 AM  

BLIXX: Good point. I think a normal person walks around with highly encrypted pieces of paper.


Absolutely.

It's my list of passwords hidden in a word find.
 
2011-03-30 05:52:14 AM  
Since there is history mentioned of school problems, victim may have written what was readable to him. If he had some combination of dyslexia and another processing disorder, this may have been this guy's rough draft on solving time travel. One of my kids writes gibberish all the time, but can immediately decipher it to anyone. Even weeks or months later. Maybe I'll show this to him and see what happens.
 
2011-03-30 05:54:20 AM  

21-7-b: "se" = "space"?

be appears about 20 times


SE is the most frequent two letter combination at 69 occurrences, BE clocks in at 18.
 
2011-03-30 05:57:37 AM  
Dear God, it's Obama's birth certificate.
 
2011-03-30 06:00:30 AM  
line endings

ERTE
FRTSE
EWLD NCBE
STSMEXL
DULMT6TUNSE NCBEXC
MUNARSE)
MKSEN-MRSE
NMBSE)
REBKNSE
RTRSE
TKEDKRSE PSESHLE
CTRS NMRE
SENBSE
WLDNCBE (3XORL)
SRCRBNE
CBEAVXL'R
MUNDPLSE
D-W-M14HIL XDRLX

-KNARE)
PRSEINC
DWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
CBRNSEPRSE
SEWLDNCBE
SNWLDNCBE
CURERCBRNE
(TENETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
DE71NCBE)
SDE74NCBE)
REDE75NCBE)
WLDN1HLDNCBE)
SNCBE)(TRFXL)
 
2011-03-30 06:03:34 AM  
"wld" 11 times
 
2011-03-30 06:04:42 AM  
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2011-03-30 06:08:07 AM  
maybe those are just his PGP encryption keys...
 
2011-03-30 06:08:33 AM  
There are dates and quantities in the second note, just a shorthand version and his own language I think. The more I look at the written notes the more it seems readable. On the first note I can see how the last few grouped lined could refer to objects posted on a certain date in a certain way or weight. I don't think it's a cypher in the true sense.
 
2011-03-30 06:09:12 AM  

Witchyman: Dear God, it's Obama's birth certificate.


I lol'd
 
2011-03-30 06:09:46 AM  
Counting Alpha (regular letters, A-Z) characters per line shows both even and odd lengths. Total line lengths also even and odd. There goes easy indication that its a 2:1 process per letter.

I'd put money on it being something mundane and getting cracked 20 years from now by some nerd after seeing it on the history channel.
 
2011-03-30 06:10:03 AM  
Let's crack this code and find a murderer.

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2011-03-30 06:11:46 AM  

NkThrasher: Counting Alpha (regular letters, A-Z) characters per line shows both even and odd lengths. Total line lengths also even and odd. There goes easy indication that its a 2:1 process per letter.

I'd put money on it being something mundane and getting cracked 20 years from now by some nerd after seeing it on the history channel.


yeah...there is too much structure in it for it to be a true code
 
2011-03-30 06:18:39 AM  
not really any double letters on page 1, a few on page 2 at the start, including gddmn

last lines of 2

(TENETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
(FLRSEPQSEONDE71NCBE)
(CDNSEPRSEONSDE74NCBE)
(BRTSEPRSEONREDE75NCBE)
 
2011-03-30 06:21:14 AM  

21-7-b: not really any double letters on page 1, a few on page 2 at the start, including gddmn

last lines of 2

(TENETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
(FLRSEPQSEONDE71NCBE)
(CDNSEPRSEONSDE74NCBE)
(BRTSEPRSEONREDE75NCBE)


yeah...this is not cypto...this is shorthand
 
2011-03-30 06:22:38 AM  
If you guys read the comments, someone has already solved it.

/writer suffered from dyslexia and mental illness
 
2011-03-30 06:23:03 AM  
The parentheses may indicate a different set of rules apply within them, but given that they always appear open->close on a given line and are never nested they seem to be structural instead of informational on their own.

Lines 9 - 11 (OOOH CONSPIRACY!!!!) of page 2 are interesting. All ending in DE7*NCBE, containing SEP*SEON and incrementing line length one per line.
 
2011-03-30 06:23:35 AM  
It's a "To Do" list that Drew wrote after he finished the whole bottle.
 
2011-03-30 06:23:45 AM  
ncbe - 16 times, 6 or 7 after "wld"
 
2011-03-30 06:23:50 AM  
Tip for the one that sends in an answer: have a good alibi.
 
2011-03-30 06:25:23 AM  
D-WLD-NC-BE(TFXLFTCXL-NC-BE)
CBRNSEPR-SE
SE-WLD-NC--BE
SN-WLD---NC--BE
CURERCBR--NE----
(TENETFR----NE-NCBR-TSE-NC-BE-ING)
DE71---NC--BE)
S-DE74--NC--BE)
RE-DE75--NC--BE)
WL-----D--N1-HLD NC--BE)
-------------------SNCBE)------(TRFXL)
 
2011-03-30 06:33:23 AM  

miss diminutive: this is just his grocery list that he wrote in code for shiats and giggles.

NCBRTSENCBEING is probably LUNCHABLES


I LOL'd XD
 
2011-03-30 06:37:47 AM  
The two pages have different MD5sums. Not that I expected them not to, it just would have been way too cool if they had to pass up checking.

That would be an awesome prank though. Two pages of mostly gibberish with a few similarities to make them seem connected generated to have the same MD5sum and planted at a crime scene.

Tachikoma: If you guys read the comments, someone has already solved it.

/writer suffered from dyslexia and mental illness


That decoding reminds me of Maddox's dollar folding gag.

Not that its any less valid than the tinkering we're doing.
 
2011-03-30 06:40:45 AM  
It's funny to go through all the posts from the beginning and to see they seem, for most, on par with what I'm thinking.

I did a google search for a part of the code and there are only two pages coming up, Fark and these guys

It looks like they're already unto something. Maybe with the collective brains + the power of Fark this will be done by tonight?
 
2011-03-30 06:42:44 AM  
Whoa, this thread is awesome. Good luck, guys.
 
2011-03-30 06:57:11 AM  
You know, the grammar is apt to be terrible. Either to disguise him or to further fark with code-crackers.
 
2011-03-30 06:59:53 AM  
Drawing from the Yahoo comments and the thread Dancis_Frake linked, NCBE could well represent a noun and WLD a person or group. The last line of the non-"NOTES" page has "WLD'S NCBE", non alpha-characters seem to be rare enough that they could well represent themselves instead of part of a code or shorthand. WLD appears rather frequently in the text, and could represent a person or group, making NCBE something that belongs to WLD in the context of that line.
 
2011-03-30 07:02:51 AM  
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2011-03-30 07:03:01 AM  
KLSE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE

It's a Microsoft Office product code.

RIght after 84.5, it looks like it says "Zune."

I KNEW Bill Gates was behind this.
 
2011-03-30 07:07:08 AM  
Glenn Beck Rape And Murderd A Young Girl In 1990 I have the semen stained panties in postal box 257 at the corner of main and derp st.

Now we just have to find what main and derp st they are talking about and we can solve 2 murders. I've sent this into the FBI. My alibi is i was playing wow.
 
2011-03-30 07:12:44 AM  

lionfish: VLSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE


Visa ####-####-####-####... obvs a credit card number.
 
2011-03-30 07:13:53 AM  
Link (new window)

Related?
 
2011-03-30 07:14:11 AM  
With the exception of A, H, I and O the distribution of letters matches the general trends of the listing mr lawson posted rather nicely. Graph treats the letter as its numeric value (A = 1, Z = 26), red is the text, blue is mr lawsons list:

i142.photobucket.comView Full Size


( Link to Graph )
 
2011-03-30 07:15:47 AM  
I've not read all 4000 comments on the Yahoo site, but it appears the guy had a mental illness so the notes are probably for the most part just ramblings. What they might do is reveal what he was up to and where he was in the time before his murder, and if the FBI can determine that it may point to someone who he crossed paths with who is a suspect.
So if the note says something like "went to the library Friday at 14:00 to take a book back" and they have a suspect who was seen around the library at that time, there's an avenue of investigation to follow up.
 
2011-03-30 07:24:03 AM  
ALPNTE=GL==SE-======SE=ER=TE
VLSE=MT=====SE-CTSE-W=SE-FR=TSE
PNRTR=SE=ONDR=SE=====WLD=NC===BE
NWLDZLR====CMSPNE=====WLD===STSMEXL
DULMT6TUN=======SE=========NC===BEXC
(MUNSAISTE=NMUNARSE)
================KLSE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE
=============(SAE6NSE====================SENMBSE)
NMNRCBRN============SEP===TE2PTEWSREBKNSE
26MLSE=============74SPRK==SE29KENOSO===LE173RTRSE
356LE CLGSEOUNUTKEDKRSE PSESHLE

651MTCSEHTLSENCUTCTRS NMRE

99.84.5
5UNEPLSENCRSEADLTSENSKSENBSE

NSREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3XORL)

NMSENRSEIN2NTRLERCBRNSENTSRCRBNE

LSPNSENGSPSEMKSEKBSEPCBEAVXL'R

HMCRENMREFCBE 1/2MUNDPLSE

D-W-M14HIL XDRLX

(MNDMKNEARSE-N-S-M-KNARE)
TFRHENPINSENPBSERCBBNSENPRSEINC
PRSENMRSE DPREHLDWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
AL-PRPPITXLYPPIYNCBE MGKSEWCDRCBRNSEPRSE
WLDRCBRNSE NTSSHENTXSE-CRSLE-CLTRSEWLDNCBE
ALWLDNCBETSMELRSERLSEURGLNEASNWLDNCBE
(NOPFSENLSRENCBE)NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
(TENETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
(FLR=SEPQ=SEON=DE71=NCBE)
(CDN=SEPR=SEON=SDE74=NCBE)
(BRT=SEPR=SEON=REDE75=NCBE)
(TFNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSE TOTEWLDN1HLDNCBE)
(194WLD'SNCBE)(TRFXL)
 
2011-03-30 07:27:52 AM  

jimmyego: Article unclear on whether these were the victims or the killers documents we are looking at.


One of the comments at the link said that the notes were written by the deceased man. It said he had dropped out of school, was not known to be gifted, and had been writing notes to himself like this since he was a kid.
 
2011-03-30 07:29:47 AM  
I wish it was a weekend, I'd have time for this.
 
2011-03-30 07:30:07 AM  

haterade69: lionfish: VLSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE

Visa ####-####-####-####... obvs a credit card number.


Well, if so then at least it's PCI-DSS Compliant.
 
2011-03-30 07:30:18 AM  

shijjiri: ALPNTE=GL==SE-======SE=ER=TE
VLSE=MT=====SE-CTSE-W=SE-FR=TSE
PNRTR=SE=ONDR=SE=====WLD=NC===BE
NWLDZLR====CMSPNE=====WLD===STSMEXL
DULMT6TUN=======SE=========NC===BEXC
(MUNSAISTE=NMUNARSE)
================KLSE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE
=============(SAE6NSE====================SENMBSE)
NMNRCBRN============SEP===TE2PTEWSREBKNSE
26MLSE=============74SPRK==SE29KENOSO===LE173RTRSE
356LE CLGSEOUNUTKEDKRSE PSESHLE

651MTCSEHTLSENCUTCTRS NMRE

99.84.5 5UNEPLSENCRSEADLTSENSKSENBSE

NSREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3XORL)

NMSENRSEIN2NTRLERCBRNSENTSRCRBNE

LSPNSENGSPSEMKSEKBSEPCBEAVXL'R

HMCRENMREFCBE 1/2MUNDPLSE

D-W-M14HIL XDRLX

(MNDMKNEARSE-N-S-M-KNARE)
TFRHENPINSENPBSERCBBNSENPRSEINC
PRSENMRSE DPREHLDWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
AL-PRPPITXLYPPIYNCBE MGKSEWCDRCBRNSEPRSE
WLDRCBRNSE NTSSHENTXSE-CRSLE-CLTRSEWLDNCBE
ALWLDNCBETSMELRSERLSEURGLNEASNWLDNCBE
(NOPFSENLSRENCBE)NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
(TENETFRNE NCBRTSENCBEING)
(FLR=SEPQ=SEON=DE71=NCBE)
(CDN=SEPR=SEON=SDE74=NCBE)
(BRT=SEPR=SEON=REDE75=NCBE)
(TFNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSE TOTEWLDN1HLDNCBE)
(194WLD'SNCBE)(TRFXL)


*slaps forehead*

Of course!
 
2011-03-30 07:30:29 AM  
FLDSMDFR!

But it looks like something from \b\
 
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