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2011-03-27 1:03:12 AM  
If you have no money who the fark cares about a car, since you can't afford insurance or gas?
 
2011-03-27 1:28:53 AM  
Thankfully, the Romerocopter is fuel efficient.
 
2011-03-27 2:17:36 AM  
Gas milage?
 
2011-03-27 2:44:55 AM  
GOTTA HAVE MONEY.
 
2011-03-27 2:47:24 AM  
The largest vehicle on our list is an SUV from GMC. It's estimated at 22 mpg in the city, 32 mpg on the highway and it's under $28,000.

...and we sure as hell won't bother telling you the model.
 
2011-03-27 2:51:42 AM  
fta One of those vehicles is the 2011 Chevrolet Cruze.

Sounds like GM's timing is pretty good, then.

(GM) will recall the last 2,000 of its laid-off workers, clearing the way for new hiring at its U.S. plants. (new window)
 
2011-03-27 2:55:59 AM  
That article read like a sleazy used car salesman.
 
2011-03-27 2:56:08 AM  
TFA reads like it was written for an eleventh grade level intellect.


Oh, perhaps it was.
 
2011-03-27 2:57:24 AM  
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For recreation, bike and walk to your destination
For minor trips, try pooling multiple errands into one bunch and being smart about where/when you go
For big trips, proper tire inflation and tune-up/oil change/new filter is important

Easy ways to save on gas:
* Fewer stupid trips
* The A/C isn't critical for city driving, open the window
* Unplug crap from the cig lighter port
* Lose weight (less weight = less inertia needed to overcome with acceleration from the engine)
* Clean the car out
* When the weather is cold, buy a damn tarp ($10-$20) from any home supply store. 1 tarp + 4 5lb rocks = No snow on windows in morning
* Drive slightly slower and don't slam on the damn brakes at every light/sign

ZOMG! Not being a dumbass saves money!
 
2011-03-27 2:57:45 AM  
His first piece of advice should have been to buy used.
 
2011-03-27 3:00:15 AM  
To the Romero-Copter

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2011-03-27 3:00:15 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier:
* Unplug crap from the cig lighter port
* Lose weight (less weight = less inertia needed to overcome with acceleration from the engine)


You're kidding, right?
 
2011-03-27 3:03:40 AM  
This article sponsored by the Car Manufacturers of America, who would like you to know, Don't Buy Used. Oh please God, buy something new. Like now. No money down. Get in now. I'm dyin' here.
 
2011-03-27 3:03:49 AM  
Cars $30k or under are qualified as "cheap" now? Also, a Jetta that gets 22mpg city is considered a good mpg car?
 
2011-03-27 3:06:22 AM  
Snarcoleptic_Hoosier

Actually, relying on a bike rather than a car is rather expensive. You're far more vulnerable to serious injury in an accident. You are seriously limited in your mobility, limiting your shopping and employment choices, both which have a serious economic penalty. not tomention the time penalty. As far as recreation nothing wrong with it, but for most it is an obsolete mode of travel.
 
2011-03-27 3:10:26 AM  

Crosshair: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier

Actually, relying on a bike rather than a car is rather expensive. You're far more vulnerable to serious injury in an accident. You are seriously limited in your mobility, limiting your shopping and employment choices, both which have a serious economic penalty. not tomention the time penalty. As far as recreation nothing wrong with it, but for most it is an obsolete mode of travel.


Also don't forget, most places of employment don't have showers.
 
2011-03-27 3:11:00 AM  
Jump a turnstile, well one USED to be able to do that. Got damn MTA with their "cages"tyles and the kids and the swipecards and the flibberty jibberty and the Jello Pudding Pops.
 
2011-03-27 3:12:46 AM  
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Oddly enough, the Prius and Geo Metro are about the same for mpg.

But, with the money you save on the Geo, you could pretty much pay for most of a house. Not a good house, mind you, but you don't buy a nice house and park a Geo Metro in the driveway anyhow.
 
2011-03-27 3:14:44 AM  

I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: The largest vehicle on our list is an SUV from GMC. It's estimated at 22 mpg in the city, 32 mpg on the highway and it's under $28,000.

...and we sure as hell won't bother telling you the model.


I think he meant this
Link (new window)
 
2011-03-27 3:17:18 AM  

jagec: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier:
* Unplug crap from the cig lighter port
* Lose weight (less weight = less inertia needed to overcome with acceleration from the engine)


You're kidding, right?


Not at all. I've seen the cig chargers for laptop power, small appliances, and TV/DVD shiat. (Yes, I do know the battery is charged by the engine while the car is running). Plugging lots of crap in, over a long period of time, does affect battery performance. Besides, eliminating those is a (VERY) small reduction in weight.

As for the weight, yes, a lighter frame takes less work to accelerate. A 250lb man and a 190lb man get into an exact same car, drive the exact same speed, with the exact same specifications of radio/temperature controls/cruise control, the exact same distance. The lighter man will use marginally less fuel due to decreased weight. Physics 101.
 
2011-03-27 3:18:12 AM  
Did somebody call?
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2011-03-27 3:18:26 AM  
I wonder how long it will take before people start reaching the staggering levels of stupidity we saw several years ago. The high spot for me was when people were paying $5000-6000 for 90-something Geo Metros on eBay. When you have to spend more on repair than on fuel, you aren't saving money.
 
2011-03-27 3:20:57 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: jagec: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier:
* Unplug crap from the cig lighter port
* Lose weight (less weight = less inertia needed to overcome with acceleration from the engine)


You're kidding, right?

Not at all. I've seen the cig chargers for laptop power, small appliances, and TV/DVD shiat. (Yes, I do know the battery is charged by the engine while the car is running). Plugging lots of crap in, over a long period of time, does affect battery performance. Besides, eliminating those is a (VERY) small reduction in weight.

As for the weight, yes, a lighter frame takes less work to accelerate. A 250lb man and a 190lb man get into an exact same car, drive the exact same speed, with the exact same specifications of radio/temperature controls/cruise control, the exact same distance. The lighter man will use marginally less fuel due to decreased weight. Physics 101.


Taking into account things like wind resistance, road conditions and outside temperature would negate any mileage benefit you might have in shaving 60lbs off of 2 tons (Physics 102)
 
2011-03-27 3:21:33 AM  

Oznog: Oddly enough, the Prius and Geo Metro are about the same for mpg.

But, with the money you save on the Geo, you could pretty much pay for most of a house. Not a good house, mind you, but you don't buy a nice house and park a Geo Metro in the driveway anyhow.


I knew a guy that put 18" rims(have no clue how) on a Geo Metro
 
2011-03-27 3:21:35 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: For recreation, bike and walk to your destination
For minor trips, try pooling multiple errands into one bunch and being smart about where/when you go
For big trips, proper tire inflation and tune-up/oil change/new filter is important


Jeez... this isn't even remotely close to right.

Oil changes have no effect on fuel economy. Proper tire inflation, unless GROSSLY out of spec, is negligible. And that whole "replace the air filter" advice doesn't apply to any vehicle with a mass air flow sensor.


Easy ways to save on gas:
* Fewer stupid trips


Now *THAT* is one I can agree with. Just don't make worthless trips. Ever. Why would anyone make worthless trips?


* The A/C isn't critical for city driving, open the window


Having A/C on reduces the MPG, on average, by 1-3MPG. Negligible.


* Unplug crap from the cig lighter port


You've got to be kidding. Devices capable of being powered by cigarette lighter ports have miniscule demands on the alternator.


* Lose weight (less weight = less inertia needed to overcome with acceleration from the engine)


Again, miniscule.


* Clean the car out


That will not save any gas mileage unless you're carrying around lead weights.

* When the weather is cold, buy a damn tarp ($10-$20) from any home supply store. 1 tarp + 4 5lb rocks = No snow on windows in morning


Not clear on how this would save on mileage.



* Drive slightly slower and don't slam on the damn brakes at every light/sign


Uh.... no. Driving "slightly slower" will not save you any appreciable fuel and may even cost you mileage. Cars get their best fuel economy when the engine is burning most efficiently, and "slower" is not a guaranteed way to make it burn efficiently. It all depends upon the car's gearing, engine efficiency, fuel maps, etc... Not only that, you'll just make everyone behind you waste more gas and spend longer in rush hour. And in a hybrid, "slamming on the brakes" is actually a good thing since it charges the battery.

Want to save on fuel? Don't drive so much. That's the largest, most sure fire way to reduce fuel consumption.
 
2011-03-27 3:21:54 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: jagec: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier:
* Unplug crap from the cig lighter port
* Lose weight (less weight = less inertia needed to overcome with acceleration from the engine)


You're kidding, right?

Not at all. I've seen the cig chargers for laptop power, small appliances, and TV/DVD shiat. (Yes, I do know the battery is charged by the engine while the car is running). Plugging lots of crap in, over a long period of time, does affect battery performance. Besides, eliminating those is a (VERY) small reduction in weight.

As for the weight, yes, a lighter frame takes less work to accelerate. A 250lb man and a 190lb man get into an exact same car, drive the exact same speed, with the exact same specifications of radio/temperature controls/cruise control, the exact same distance. The lighter man will use marginally less fuel due to decreased weight. Physics 101.


I don't think he was doubting your claims, just that you would ever be able to tell the difference in fuel economy. Also, you forgot to mention tire pressure.
 
2011-03-27 3:22:49 AM  

Crosshair: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier

Actually, relying on a bike rather than a car is rather expensive. You're far more vulnerable to serious injury in an accident. You are seriously limited in your mobility, limiting your shopping and employment choices, both which have a serious economic penalty. not tomention the time penalty. As far as recreation nothing wrong with it, but for most it is an obsolete mode of travel.


I will concede that the ability to use a bike safely is limited to one's environment. I was referring more towards recreational use. Instead of driving to a park with the kids, ride a damn bike, if applicable.

Whether the optimal use of a bike is more urban (where bike-friendly areas are more likely) or more rural (where less traffic would ease the fear of accidents is certainly open to debate. Since there are exceptions to every rule, I will also admit that my initial comment on this thread was ambiguous, at best. In my part of the country, bike riding is still acceptable, but the low crime and general laid-back attitude has skewed my personal perception of reality.

Short answer: ride if you can and want to
 
2011-03-27 3:23:05 AM  

brap: Jump a turnstile, well one USED to be able to do that. Got damn MTA with their "cages"tyles and the kids and the swipecards and the flibberty jibberty and the Jello Pudding Pops.


The kids, they listen to the rap, which gives them the brain damage.
 
2011-03-27 3:24:49 AM  
Never mind, you did mention tire pressure...
 
2011-03-27 3:28:34 AM  

Brainsick: Taking into account things like wind resistance, road conditions and outside temperature would negate any mileage benefit you might have in shaving 60lbs off of 2 tons


It's accepted that for every 200 lbs you shave off a vehicle, you gain 1 mpg.

In case you want the math involved: Link (new window)
 
2011-03-27 3:29:35 AM  

MrSteve007: Brainsick: Taking into account things like wind resistance, road conditions and outside temperature would negate any mileage benefit you might have in shaving 60lbs off of 2 tons

It's accepted that for every 200 lbs you shave off a vehicle, you gain 1 mpg.

In case you want the math involved: Link (new window)


So then I should lose 200 pounds to get that extra 1 MPG, and then I'd weigh -35 pounds!
 
2011-03-27 3:30:01 AM  

I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: The largest vehicle on our list is an SUV from GMC. It's estimated at 22 mpg in the city, 32 mpg on the highway and it's under $28,000.

...and we sure as hell won't bother telling you the model.


...cuz it sux and we rok!
 
2011-03-27 3:30:08 AM  

cheap_thoughts: Crosshair: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier

Actually, relying on a bike rather than a car is rather expensive. You're far more vulnerable to serious injury in an accident. You are seriously limited in your mobility, limiting your shopping and employment choices, both which have a serious economic penalty. not tomention the time penalty. As far as recreation nothing wrong with it, but for most it is an obsolete mode of travel.

Also don't forget, most places of employment don't have showers.



You guys sound fat.
 
2011-03-27 3:32:32 AM  
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Not my car, but same year and model - '95 Toyota Corolla. Living semi-rural, 20 minute drive to work on a highway. 1.4 litre engine. Works out to get about 35 miles per gallon.

Not high fashion, but has cargo capacity, and economy.
 
2011-03-27 3:33:11 AM  
The A/C isn't critical for city driving, open the window.

I want to see you drive across town during July in Houston without A/C on full blast.
 
2011-03-27 3:40:50 AM  
I'm planning on buying a Ford Fiesta when I get back to the states, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/yes, I know about the automatic transmission problems- I'd rather have a standard anyway.
 
2011-03-27 3:43:29 AM  
The Amish frown at the Poor Community's shenanigans.
 
2011-03-27 3:44:02 AM  

neilbradley: So then I should lose 200 pounds to get that extra 1 MPG, and then I'd weigh -35 pounds!


Another general rule of thumb, for every 10 lbs you remove, you gain the equivalent of 1 horsepower in acceleration performance.
 
2011-03-27 3:44:22 AM  

cretinbob: If you have no money who the fark cares about a car, since you can't afford insurance or gas?


Hey, insurance and gas is the reason I have no money!

/insurance isn't that bad, but gas prices suck!
 
2011-03-27 3:49:39 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier:
* The A/C isn't critical for city driving, open the window


Depending on your engine, it'll save you less than you might think. For a 4 cylinder, it makes a difference. If you have a V8 it'll be very slight. Not saying it doesn't help, but it can be pretty minor.

* Unplug crap from the cig lighter port

Completely and totally inconsequential. Sorry but the load that something like a cellphone charger places on the alternator is nothing next to the load the car places on it.

Consider this: We rate electronics in watts, we rate cars engines in horse power. So something like a cell charger is maybe 5 watts. A laptop with inverter is maybe 150 watts at most, probably less. Even a small car engine produces around 100hp, most produce more. So how do they translate? 1 horsepower = 745 watts. Yes, that does mean your car engine produces tens of thousands of watts of mechanical power when going all out. A few watts of load on the alternator matters not at all.


* Lose weight (less weight = less inertia needed to overcome with acceleration from the engine)

Makes very little difference. Take a smallish car, like say a Honda Fit. The weight is around 2500 pounds with a normal package (no extras). That means even if you are real heavy, say 250 pounds, you add only 10% to the weight. Well if you lose weight you aren't going to zero. Say you lose 50 pounds, a major amount of loss. Fine, that is about 1.8% of the weight of you and the car. Going to make very little difference in efficiency, much less than 1 MPG. The car is the heavy part, not you. You'll save far more by getting a lighter car than any amount of weight you are likely to be able to lose, unless you are extremely heavy. If your ideal weight is, say, 160 and you weight 200, those 40 pounds mean fark all for overall efficiency.
 
2011-03-27 3:53:05 AM  

the_second_inmate: Did somebody call?


Took me a second to see what you did there. Nice.
 
2011-03-27 3:56:57 AM  

MrSteve007: neilbradley: So then I should lose 200 pounds to get that extra 1 MPG, and then I'd weigh -35 pounds!

Another general rule of thumb, for every 10 lbs you remove, you gain the equivalent of 1 horsepower in acceleration performance.


Cool! So if I wanted a 500 HP vehicle, all I'd have to do is remove 5000 pounds from the vehicle! Then it'd weigh -1500 pounds! Awesome!
 
2011-03-27 3:57:34 AM  

MrSteve007: Brainsick: Taking into account things like wind resistance, road conditions and outside temperature would negate any mileage benefit you might have in shaving 60lbs off of 2 tons

It's accepted that for every 200 lbs you shave off a vehicle, you gain 1 mpg.

In case you want the math involved: Link (new window)


Your citation is a blog that cites AutoZone and confuses weight with mass, so please try again.
 
2011-03-27 4:05:07 AM  

neilbradley: Cool! So if I wanted a 500 HP vehicle, all I'd have to do is remove 5000 pounds from the vehicle! Then it'd weigh -1500 pounds! Awesome!


A 600 lbs (w/ rider), 100 horsepower motorcycle will have similar acceleration performance to a 4,000 lbs, 440 horsepower car. The 10 lbs, 1 hp holds true - at least when it comes to straight line speed.
 
2011-03-27 4:06:49 AM  
This is a rather fuel-efficient car:

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/And since it's small
//Parking is no longer a problem
 
2011-03-27 4:08:08 AM  

kzp7: I wonder how long it will take before people start reaching the staggering levels of stupidity we saw several years ago. The high spot for me was when people were paying $5000-6000 for 90-something Geo Metros on eBay. When you have to spend more on repair than on fuel, you aren't saving money.


I don't believe that price for a second. More like $3000-$4000, when they were worth half that. And Metros are EXTREMELY cheap to work on; the parts are all made of Play-Do. $1,300 for a remanufactured replacement engine at AutoWarehouse.

$5,000 car that gets 58 mpg is always cheaper than $25,000 SUV that gets 20 mpg, no matter how many times it's in the shop. Or a freakin' $30,000 hybrid that gets 45 mpg.
 
2011-03-27 4:09:34 AM  

mikdeetx: The A/C isn't critical for city driving, open the window.

I want to see you drive across town during July in Houston without A/C on full blast.


I used to commute in Macon, Ga., with no AC. Not that big a deal.
 
2011-03-27 4:10:04 AM  
I find that shooting a Muslim increases my fuel economy.
 
2011-03-27 4:10:26 AM  

neilbradley: * Clean the car out


That will not save any gas mileage unless you're carrying around lead weights.


You apparently haven't seen the amount of crap some people I know keep in their car/trunk. I helped a friend clean out her car and we took at least 100 pounds of crap out of it. The trunk alone was just crammed full of shiat she was just too lazy to take inside.

It doesn't apply to everyone, but it's not obvious to everyone that they might be wasting 10% or more of their potential fuel efficiency just by keeping a ton of junk in their trunk.
 
2011-03-27 4:10:35 AM  
48 posts and no one noticed this from TFA:

Nada Guides Car Finder

The cars are nothing. Your argument is invalid.
 
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