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2011-03-23 6:36:16 PM  
They're all "meh" since Farky stopped working.
 
2011-03-23 7:13:57 PM  
Eh, I like it. It's quicker, looks nicer, and if there's stuff you don't like (I didn't like how they removed the auto-search in the URL bar), chances are you can just fiddle around or add an extension to change it back.
 
2011-03-23 7:16:45 PM  
It seems to work faster and cleaner.
 
2011-03-23 7:21:06 PM  

flucto: They're all "meh" since Farky stopped working.


With all of Fark's new features why do you even need Farky?
 
2011-03-23 7:26:18 PM  

Mentat: It seems to work faster and cleaner.


Agreed for most things. Tab grouping is kind of sluggish on lower-end hardware, but that's something FF3 didn't have at all, so....

97/100 on ACID3 isn't too shabby, either.
 
2011-03-23 7:27:11 PM  
I have been using Firefox 4 since yesterday. It's not a huge improvement, but it's definitely an improvement. All of the extensions I use are supported, and pages render faster even with hardware acceleration disabled (which I had to do on my laptop because the video chip is old and slow).

I may give Chrome a try, but it would take a while to get used to all of the missing extensions (or wait until they're ported).

As for the complaints, the concern about Mozilla sharing your sync data with third parties is invalid because Sync uses client-side encryption. The password used to access the accout is completely separate from the password used to encrypt the data. See https://wiki.mozilla.org/Labs/Weave/Crypto (Weave was the original name for Sync). You can even set up your own server for it if you're that paranoid.

I don't expect "Do not track" to work well. The shadiest advertizers are going to ignore it anyway. Might as well request they turn on the Evil bit on all of their packets. Noscript and Ad Block Plus do a far better job at preventing tracking.
 
2011-03-23 7:30:34 PM  

jspenguin: the concern about Mozilla sharing your sync data with third parties is invalid


I'm not terribly worried about that; I just don't trust them not to leave the data on a laptop at the airport or some such stupid thing. Then again, Mozilla isn't the US government, so maybe I should be more charitable.

/submitter
//I also wrote the article
///I'd like to thank the Academy
 
2011-03-23 7:36:24 PM  

jspenguin: the concern about Mozilla sharing your sync data with third parties


Forgot to add: I know I'm not exactly a normal user, but how many people really need or want to sync passwords and bookmarks across multiple devices? Contacts, sure. But bookmarks?
 
2011-03-23 7:48:41 PM  
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/Chrome 11b for me
 
2011-03-23 8:00:18 PM  
You mean Firefox: The Chrome Experience?

\at least that's how I've felt looking at it
 
2011-03-23 8:11:48 PM  

jaylectricity: With all of Fark's new features why do you even need Farky?


Because tagging people with a colour and quote is obnoxious when done through Fark itself.
 
2011-03-23 8:38:14 PM  
i like it. My browser doesn't farking lag now.

Chrome caused my computer to BSoD. Fark Chrome.
 
2011-03-23 8:41:48 PM  
I like FF4. Also like its twin Opera 11.
 
2011-03-23 8:42:17 PM  
I have FF4 and IE9
/and could care less
 
2011-03-23 8:43:39 PM  

Anaxphone: jaylectricity: With all of Fark's new features why do you even need Farky?

Because tagging people with a colour and quote is obnoxious when done through Fark itself.


If you say so, Red1 "What's His Problem?"
 
2011-03-23 8:44:20 PM  
If you think back to the days of MS Word and Word Perfect, you probably anxiously waiting to get your hands on the next edition. "Oh my God - it has a spell checker....in REAL TIME!!!!"

At some point though, you realized you had all of the functionality you wanted. The new edition had new features, but most of them didn't apply to you. They were solutions to problems you've never had. Sure, some small improvements but mostly....it's just 'meh'.

As things mature, it's more and more rare to see big leaps forward. Just a bunch of small 'meh' steps forward. I run Firefox, IE, Chrome and rarely Opera. 'Tabbed' browsing was the last 'Ohhh WoW!' feature I can remember being in a web-browser, and by 2005 everyone had it.
 
2011-03-23 8:44:22 PM  
Still lovin' Opera since the first release.
 
2011-03-23 8:46:14 PM  

FriarReb98: You mean Firefox: The Chrome Experience?

\at least that's how I've felt looking at it


Huh?

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2011-03-23 8:47:45 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: 'Tabbed' browsing was the last 'Ohhh WoW!' feature I can remember being in a web-browser, and by 2005 everyone had it.


AdBlock Plus for me.
 
2011-03-23 8:47:59 PM  
flucto: They're all "meh" since Farky stopped working.

Weird. Farky works just fine for comment handling for me. But, yeah, it no longer has all of the thread filtering stuff, it seems. Oh well. I only use it for the comment stuff anyway (I use it over the Fark features, because it is a right click away, rather than having to go to someone's user page).

Anyway, I'm liking FF4 well enough. I'm especially liking the "Pin as an app tab" feature. Great for keeping Google Reader and Twitter up but out of the way.
 
2011-03-23 8:50:31 PM  
FF4 works outstandingly well on OSX. It's doing things Safari can't seem to manage smoothly right now.

Maybe they fixed the memory from clogging up so much.
 
2011-03-23 8:51:33 PM  

Kar98: FriarReb98: You mean Firefox: The Chrome Experience?

\at least that's how I've felt looking at it

Huh?


Babylonian tentacle porn is better.

I like Firefox 4. It does what it needs to do. It looks sleeker. You can search in the address bar now, like Chrome. It's good, but I'm not picky.
 
2011-03-23 8:55:03 PM  
Alrighty, how's "NoScript", "AdBlock", and "Stylish"?
 
2011-03-23 8:57:12 PM  

4chan Ambassador: Eh, I like it. It's quicker, looks nicer, and if there's stuff you don't like (I didn't like how they removed the auto-search in the URL bar), chances are you can just fiddle around or add an extension to change it back.


I'm sick of fiddling. If I have to fiddle with a browser to get it to a usable state, I'll just use something else. Like chrome, which comes great out of the box.

If I start fiddling:
a) I wont ever stop
b) I'll choke the browser's performance eventually
c) I'll have to fiddle every time I run an update or install it on another PC

Screw fiddling.
 
2011-03-23 8:57:33 PM  
It looks too much like Chrome, which I uninstalled after about 3 minutes. Pages load nigh instantaneously ith the FF I have now (even with my many add-ons), so its a pass for me.
 
2011-03-23 8:57:38 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: Kar98: FriarReb98: You mean Firefox: The Chrome Experience?

\at least that's how I've felt looking at it

Huh?

Babylonian tentacle porn is better.


Just making sure people are paying attention ;)

I like Firefox 4. It does what it needs to do.

Mostly. It does however take a resounding dump when you want to connect to wireless networks where you have to log yourself in via web browser. You know, open example.com, get re-directed to a log-in page for the WLAN, put in your user name and password, hit enter, poof. Ffx takes a dump. Not sure if it's with all WLANs of this kind or just with that particular one.

It looks sleeker. You can search in the address bar now, like Chrome. It's good, but I'm not picky.

Well, it's cleaned up and some former add-ons have been incorporated at long lost. And it works the way I want. All I care about.
 
2011-03-23 8:58:16 PM  

Funbags: It looks too much like Chrome, which I uninstalled after about 3 minutes.


Dude, you ARE allowed to change the look of it.
 
2011-03-23 9:03:15 PM  
I didn't use Chrome because i like just typing, for instance, "fark" into the url bar and FF would take me right to fark.com. Chrome didn't do that and now FF4 doesn't do it. :(
 
2011-03-23 9:03:35 PM  
I use nothing but chrome. I'm unsure where the chrome hate comes from as I've had zero issues.
 
2011-03-23 9:04:41 PM  

FriarReb98: You mean Firefox: The Chrome Experience?

\at least that's how I've felt looking at it


Glad I'm not the only one.

I like the cleaner frame. I like that there's less clutter. I also like that the 'X' targets for closing tabs aren't as ridiculously tiny as they are on Chrome (Chrome is useless on my TabletPC for this reason).

But it really doesn't "feel" like Firefox. Not yet anyway. Feels like Mozilla and Google had a bastard child that ate some brightly colored paint.

Not that I care how FF used to "feel". It's just awkward for the moment.

/Like it.
 
2011-03-23 9:05:01 PM  

chaoswolf: I use nothing but chrome. I'm unsure where the chrome hate comes from as I've had zero issues.


Tabs on top and it's from Google, the data vacuum.
 
2011-03-23 9:08:46 PM  
People still use firefox?

I feel like I'm in a thread discussing the merits of netscape navigator. The only machine I've seen in the last year that uses FF is my office comp, which, for perspective, is a windows 98 machine.
 
2011-03-23 9:10:37 PM  
It's not bad... But there is this feeling the ghost of Netscape Navigator of the past crept in wearing shiny new cloths.
 
2011-03-23 9:15:28 PM  

Kar98: Funbags: It looks too much like Chrome, which I uninstalled after about 3 minutes.

Dude, you ARE allowed to change the look of it.


Really? Hmm, not to be snarky, I suppose I could figure out how to make Chrome look/behave like Firefox. Or I could just keep using Firefox, which has all the extensions that I have come to enjoy.
 
2011-03-23 9:17:30 PM  

mamoru: Anyway, I'm liking FF4 well enough. I'm especially liking the "Pin as an app tab" feature. Great for keeping Google Reader and Twitter up but out of the way.


It's a little cleaner than the Faviconize + Permatabs plugin combo I was using before... same functionality though.

Otherwise I wasn't expecting to be blown away by FF4, just for some performance and memory improvements which so far seems to be the case. I kind of bounce back and forth between Chrome and FF for no apparent reason, Chrome is still a bit quicker on the start-up but not enough for me to call one better than the other.
 
2011-03-23 9:18:56 PM  

Funbags: Kar98: Funbags: It looks too much like Chrome, which I uninstalled after about 3 minutes.

Dude, you ARE allowed to change the look of it.

Really? Hmm, not to be snarky, I suppose I could figure out how to make Chrome look/behave like Firefox. Or I could just keep using Firefox, which has all the extensions that I have come to enjoy.


Oh. I thought you meant Firefox 4 looks different than 3, therefore bawww.
 
2011-03-23 9:26:56 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Alrighty, how's "NoScript", "AdBlock", and "Stylish"?


Adblock seems to be doing its job. I like the new FF so far. It's definitely quicker than 3.6.
 
2011-03-23 9:27:07 PM  
Would download, but IE 9/Chrome are enough to keep me happy. FF lost me after the abysmal performance it had back in the 3's.
 
2011-03-23 9:30:27 PM  
Just tried that Pin Tab As An App.. That's a winner right there. Nice little option.
 
2011-03-23 9:30:45 PM  
...oh, and Mozilla seems to be on a mission to avoid addressing the problem with Firefox "hanging" at seemingly random intervals, until it eventually crashes. FF4 still does it.
 
2011-03-23 9:33:03 PM  

styckx: Just tried that Pin Tab As An App.. That's a winner right there. Nice little option.


What does it do?
 
2011-03-23 9:33:15 PM  
Downloading FF4 right now. I was a major firefox user, but IE9 is pretty flipp'n nice. Once you settle in the tracking and ad blocking, and add a spellchecker, IE9's usability and performance puts FF 3.6 to shame.

/my netbook does not like the memory leakage of FF 3.*.
//we'll see with FF 4
 
2011-03-23 9:34:35 PM  
I'm on the fence about Firefox 4 so far. It looks good enough (but very Chrome or Opera-like), but now that I can't hit F6 to send focus directly to the address bar like I can with every other browser on the planet (except, maybe, Lynx). That's annoying.
 
2011-03-23 9:35:54 PM  

Kar98: styckx: Just tried that Pin Tab As An App.. That's a winner right there. Nice little option.

What does it do?


Slides that tab over to a little mini tab on the left side that always auto opens w/ Firefox no matter how you shut down the browser.
 
2011-03-23 9:38:48 PM  
Forget the question of how Firefox might use -or sell - that data. There have been enough security disasters in which companies lost control of sensitive personal data that I, for one, am going to pass on this for now. Call me paranoid.

It must be easy to find faults with features when your complaint is "well it might fark up sometime in the future due to unforeseen circumstances." Personally I never stopped using IE6, I mean what if IE7 or later had some sorts of security vulnerabilities or displayed pages poorly? That would be terrible.
 
2011-03-23 9:38:55 PM  
Anyone a pro with userChrome.css here? I don't no css stuff and I desperately need to change menu colours etc. Chromifox no longer works, boooo.
 
2011-03-23 9:47:59 PM  

styckx: Kar98: styckx: Just tried that Pin Tab As An App.. That's a winner right there. Nice little option.

What does it do?

Slides that tab over to a little mini tab on the left side that always auto opens w/ Firefox no matter how you shut down the browser.


Thanks. My browser homepage is "about:blank" :D
 
2011-03-23 9:49:41 PM  
Firefox 4 is big improvement over 3.x

Don't like tabs on top? Right click at far right side of tab(s), and uncheck "tabs on top".

See Firefox 4 download count (new window)
Also on bottom left of screen can sort by continent/country/state/city/town.
 
2011-03-23 9:51:47 PM  

Barakku: Personally I never stopped using IE6, I mean what if IE7 or later had some sorts of security vulnerabilities or displayed pages poorly? That would be terrible.


I know you're being facetious, but this is literally the reason why IE 6 is the browser of choice in South Korea, Saudi Arabia and I think for the Pentagon too. It's also the reason why it's still freaking installed on millions of PCs in the US: companies use it as GUI for customer service management systems. If you call Verizon Wireless, your input in the phone menu gets passed to a database and calls up your record, which is then displayed within a IE 6 windows. This is also where the CSR makes changes to your account and stuff.
 
2011-03-23 9:56:47 PM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: no


know, grrrr
 
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