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(Some li-ion muncher)   Ingesting lithium could make you live longer - but eating your cell phone battery won't   ( divider line
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2011-02-18 12:58:40 PM  
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2011-02-18 01:02:20 PM  
Energizer lithium batteries are still good to eat, right?

/They just keep on going and going and going...
2011-02-18 01:12:38 PM  
What about booger eaters? There seems to be tons of this crap around.

/NOW support abortions
//Too many & too much trash. As such, I'm not in the group.
2011-02-18 01:14:49 PM  
One and done.
2011-02-18 01:19:36 PM  
Except that the manic-depressives that take lithium carbonate are holding the average longevity numbers down.
2011-02-18 01:31:52 PM  
Came for Nirvana reference. Leaving satisfied.

/Satisfied, and so happy
//'cause today I found my friends
2011-02-18 01:44:39 PM  
Kirt Cobain wants you to eat a battery for washington
2011-02-18 01:48:38 PM a bipolar who takes lithium... Does that mean I'm immortal? Scary...
2011-02-18 01:55:05 PM  

Tali: a bipolar who takes lithium... Does that mean I'm immortal? Scary...

Not until you kill off one of your phases, as there can be only one!
2011-02-18 02:08:49 PM  
"Lithium is for lifers. There's no coming back from that"

-Emilie Autumn.
2011-02-18 02:11:34 PM  
Gee, a mineral that fights depression AND makes you live longer, thus creating a demand and supplying it.

If life gives you lemons, count yourself among the very fortunate. Them's good eatin'. They're one fruit that is high in lithium.

Quote: Lithium deficiencies are aggravated by high sugar consumption.​pression. h tm

I'm not sure how authoritative that is. She's a naturopath, veterinarian and "medical intuitive", which suggests to me that she's less than a good nutritionist in terms of qualifications.

Quote: Lithium
Lithium is an essential trace mineral that is best known for its pharmacological uses as an anti-manic psychiatric agent. No Reference Daily Intake (RDI) has been established but most people probably take in about 2 mg daily from their diets. Eggs, milk, processed meats, fish, milk, dairy products, potatoes and vegetables are all rich sources of lithium.

Lithium. It's everywhere. Which isn't surprising as it is one of the lightest elements and one of the first created in the history of the Universe. Space is full of Lithium and Beryllium. Well, not as full as it is of hydrogen and helium, but relatively speaking, there's a fair amount of the stuff. Most of the mined lithium comes from vast "salt" flats in Bolivia, Peru and other places.

IIRC, it's one reason that the Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid went to Bolivia. To make money in lithium or robbing Bolivian banks full of lithium profits, or both. You can still see some of the original locomotives that pulled the trains that carried the lithium and the pay for the workers.

I wrote a song about lithium.

The Holy Family
By Brantgoose

(To the tune of "Ave Maria")

Mother's on Valium
Father's on Lithium
And I could use some Laudanum myself.

Well, that's more of a refrain than a song, but "Ave Maria" is a really great tune. If I manage to work booze and sex into it, it could be the Signature Hymn of the Roman Catholic Church.

I think Lithium is a great idea. I wish I had some.

But since it is everywhere, I will have a look at the health food supplements and see what I can find. And I'll make myself a big pitcher of lemonade as soon as I can clear out enough room in the fridge.

I bought myself a light box type lamp (10,000 and 5,000 lumens, still far short of bright sunlight, 100,000 lumens) and some chocolate covered expresso beans but if Lithium works, I am willing to add it to my regimen. I'll get back to you on that experiment some day perhaps.

I want to live forever, or at least until I'm done reading all the books I bought and watching all the DVD's that are piled up in precarious heaps and boxes in my apartment.

See you in 3015 A.D., in that case. The Kindle and the Kobo help. In much the same way that clean syringes help a drug addict.

I have Moby Dick in the notes on my iPod, just in case I'm caught short.

Well, I'm off to research the Great White Whale Hope, Lithium.

I hear it's an anti-psycotic as well. Maybe I didn't hear that.

But I'll soon know.
2011-02-18 02:13:31 PM  
Stupid apple, trying to keep me from eating my batteries.
2011-02-18 02:28:32 PM  
Wow. Everything old is new again. Like a hundred years and more since the last big attention to lithium intake happened.

From what I recall, the theory went that the majority of people (and especially in certain regions) are a little lithium-deficient, although that might just be due to the common occurrence of poor diet. There's a bunch of claims of negative health effects (new window) from low lithium levels, although many countries don't seem to have much dietary lithium and they don't seem to worry about it. This (new window) article states:

"The available experimental evidence now appears to be sufficient to accept lithium as essential; a provisional RDA for a 70 kg adult of 1000 µg/day is suggested. ...Inverse associations of tap water lithium contents in areas of Texas with the rates of mental hospital admissions, suicides, homicides and certain other crimes suggest that low lithium intakes cause behavioral defects. The average daily Li intake of an American 70 kg adult ranges from 650 to 3100 µg. Major dietary sources are vegetables and, in some areas, the drinking water."

One assumes that bottled or on-demand filtered demineralized water would also eliminate that source and one would have to make up the difference with the other source(s). With the current trend toward such water consumption, nutritionally bleak mass-market vegetables and overly-processed grains, perhaps it's time to have some lithium-enriched products on the market again. Back in the day, treating beverages with lithium-rich compounds and minerals became a popular thing, just like the novelty and health claims of carbonation. Even 7up was originally lithiated (new window). I say lithium-enriched beer (Lithia Beer was supposedly made with lithium-rich water, but that apparently wasn't the case), coffee and chocolate should work nicely, too.

/Have a couple of oat sodas and just relax, man.
2011-02-18 02:31:18 PM  
Well, apparently Lithium not easy to work with. It is toxic and highly oxidative and therapeutic doses are very close to toxic doses. It is often sold in low doses as a dietary supplement rather than a medicine. Still, since it is in a lot of foods (especially seafoods) in decent doses, you can add some pep to your diet with fish, shellfish and the like. It's dangerous to take large amounts or to take it for a long period of time, and there are side effects of larger doses.

It's good for treating depression and better for treating mania, which is why most people are given medical doses.

All told, it's the usual mixed bag you get with these minerals, vitamins and things. They are all multi-faceted and interact in complex ways. You'd have to have a computer-drawn chart to show all the interrelationships and figure out when to take which and whether you should take them separately or in combination.

Isn't nutrition frustrating? Thank God I can live entirely on junk food for weeks.
2011-02-18 03:27:55 PM  
Given it's therapeutic value the longevity is likely due to it's stress-releaving properties.
2011-02-18 03:30:57 PM  
Subby! You aren't supposed to tell people not to eat batteries. We're just supposed to have the "intelligent masses" rely on the plethora of warning labels.

How else are we going to thin the herd of derp?
2011-02-18 03:32:08 PM  
Lithium can also destroy your liver function, so you better get that dosage just right or you won't be living long at all.
2011-02-18 03:47:33 PM  
It's got electrolytes!
2011-02-18 04:13:54 PM  
I'm onboard with the idea that after a Nirvana reference, this thread is over.
2011-02-18 05:21:45 PM  
Please forgive me if I don't put a lot of credence into a site called "EurekAlert".
2011-02-18 07:27:10 PM  
Lithium! I just read a paper on bipolar disorder. They found that the mitochondria in bipolar patients was misshapen and clumped together. They also found that lithium pretty much did nothing.
2011-02-18 07:29:20 PM  

hovsm: Lithium! I just read a paper on bipolar disorder. They found that the mitochondria in bipolar patients was misshapen and clumped together. They also found that lithium pretty much did nothing.

BUT if in bipolar folks are reading, forget the what I said about lithium, take your damn lithium. The more interesting part is the mitochondria because it may implicate genetics as a cause for the disorder.
2011-02-18 07:53:59 PM  

Tali: a bipolar who takes lithium... Does that mean I'm immortal? Scary...

As is my Mom. I for one welcome our bipolar immortal overlords.
2011-02-19 12:53:00 PM  

Tali: a bipolar who takes lithium... Does that mean I'm immortal? Scary...

No it means your organs are caking. Eventually your liver functions will get weaker as you age, and you'll become incontinent. It's also dependent on your dose level. Look into it. The upside is your less depressed. :\ I'm not bi-polar, just medically informed.
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