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2001-10-17 03:26:26 PM  
Don't confusion Nation of Islam with regular Islam. NOI is as kooky as Scientology with UFO mother ships too boot.

"Elijah explained that blacks were originally, "moon people" and that the UFO "mother wheel" was piloted by 13 youths who perpetually orbited the earth, waiting to unleash global destruction on whites, while rescuing all blacks. Farrakhan to this day, teaches this same doctrine- his inspiration for the Million Man March. "

Harsh criticism of NOI here.
2001-10-17 03:29:02 PM  
I'm a Muslim and I don't see what any of this has to do with being a Muslim. I just sit around on the river bed filtering bits of food through the slight created when I open my shell.........No wait sorry, I'm a muscle.
2001-10-17 03:29:43 PM  

EXACTLY! obviously Fb- is too much of a dolt to understand that. Read up some before you end up sounding like moron, Fb-!
2001-10-17 03:30:28 PM  

It's wrong because Farrakhan is not Bin Laden's defense attorney. Times are tense for everyone, and Farrakhan effectively sides himself with Bin Laden by doing this, snubbing the American people, which he has done over and over again. I say deport him.
2001-10-17 03:31:54 PM  
BTW, in case anyone has forgotten, Moamar Ghadafi pledged $1,000,000,000 (yes, that is billion) to Farrakhan to strengthen the extremist Muslim base of power throughout the US. I don't trust him any more than I trust Saddam Hussein.
2001-10-17 03:32:07 PM  
Yippee, I've got a following! I guess I need to come up with some rules or something....okay, from the book of Journey: "Be Good To Yourself, 'cuz Nobody Else Will".
2001-10-17 03:35:23 PM  
Wfrgms: Nice link!
2001-10-17 03:35:24 PM  
The last thing that I want to do is to support Farrakahn, but here it goes.

How the hell does anyone know that Bin Laden did this other than the government told us so. They even kept the proof that was submitted to other countries secret. The government is counting on the fact that people will follow blindly in times of crisis, and it seems to be working. For all we know, some hick out of Idaho got his buddies together and pulled it off, but we will never know.

Yeah, I know I sound like I am living in conspiracy, but come on, where is the proof.

As you can tell, I don't trust a Republican led government as far as I can throw Fat Albert. HEY HEY HEY
2001-10-17 03:35:35 PM  
what did you expect?
2001-10-17 03:35:51 PM  
ooooo can I add to your book of Journey... "Chapter 2: Any way you want it, Thats the way you need it"
2001-10-17 03:36:24 PM  
"This is the full text of the document, entitled Responsibility for the terrorist atrocities in the United States, released by Downing Street on Thursday October 4 2001 about the evidence against Osama Bin Laden.

This document does not purport to provide a prosecutable case against Osama Bin Laden in a court of law.

Intelligence often cannot be used evidentially, due both to the strict rules of admissibility and to the need to protect the safety of sources.

But on the basis of all the information available HMG is confident of its conclusions as expressed in this document."


BBC News

This is all anyone's going to get during a war. And quite frankly, if this isn't enough for someone to come to the obvious conclusion then their heads are shoved so far up their asses that nothing short of a plane with a big old smily bin Laden on the nose cone landing slap on them will convince them anyway.
2001-10-17 03:38:10 PM  
maybe some terrorist can mail him some 'evidence'
2001-10-17 03:38:17 PM  
You know, come to think of it, I haven't seen any proof that Ted Bundy has done anything wrong either. fark a duck, how can I support the arrest of a person when I haven't personally seen the evidence? Free Bundy!...

Wait a second, he openly rejoiced in the killings of his victims. I suppose that kind of changes thing, doesn't it?
2001-10-17 03:40:17 PM  

"What's a Nubian?"

2001-10-17 03:40:24 PM  
thanks for the link, Wfrgms!

I was previously unaware what the Nation of Islam was all about. Now I firmly believe that it is highly important that Farrakhan's head be separated from his shoulders, permanently, for the good of mankind and world peace.

2001-10-17 03:40:43 PM  

After reading the nation of islam's homepage, I'm pretty farking convinced they are muslims. They sure seem to think they are.

[image from noi.org too old to be available]
In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
The Nation of Islam Online

Here's a good NOI page, discussing what, "THE NATION OF ISLAMS, AS MUSLIMS, WANTS."

2001-10-17 03:40:54 PM  
Farrakhan lost his last shred of credibility he had after the "numerology" section of his speech at the million man march.

I think he's an ignorant profiteering fark-wad but I'll still fight for his right to act and speak like an ignorant profiteering fark-wad.

(cue music)

Proud to be an American
2001-10-17 03:41:16 PM  
Asking for evidence is un-American?

I guess that whole "innocent until proven guilty" business only applies to those not subject to media coverage.
2001-10-17 03:41:28 PM  
Eventually seeing the evidence: good

Eventually getting rid of FarraCON: better
2001-10-17 03:42:36 PM  
Whats the difference between Taliban and Farrakhan? Nothing . Its their way or no way. Shut the fark up Louie. You are the scum that scum scrapes off its shoes. Somebody should have shot him instead of X. Oooops. I forgot. It was Louies guys that shot X.
2001-10-17 03:42:50 PM  

"...I say deport him...."
Or as Archie Bunker would say "...de-export him the hell outta here..."
2001-10-17 03:43:55 PM  

Looks to me like Farrakhan calls himself, and all his followers Muslims. They make take a slightly differnet spin on Islam, in addition to hating Jews, they hate all whites. They are Muslims none the less.

Are christian snake handlers still christians.
2001-10-17 03:44:13 PM  
Can't Farrakhan just go over there and ask him?
2001-10-17 03:45:09 PM  
exactly, mr. tuff paws.
what's the point of keeping this conclusive proof from the general public?
I'm surprised at the way a lot of farkers say "how could you even question the goverment's claim you america-hating MORON?? We should all just blindly follow dubya without question because its anti-american to do otherwise and everything about america is perfect"
2001-10-17 03:45:44 PM  
Fb-, very true... the Nation of Islam thinks they are Muslims. But ask any real Muslim if they believe (as the NOI believes) that Elijah Mohammed was a prophet.

Real Muslims believe that Mohammed (the guy who was around back in the like the 7th century) was the last of Allah's prophets. A real muslim doesnt not believe in Elijah Mohammed.

Its just like those Jews for Jesus, who say they are Jews. Ask a real Jew if they believe Jesus was the son of god.
2001-10-17 03:46:30 PM  
Well I think we can all rest easier knowing that Lois Farrakan and the Nation of Islam is on the case.

Never trust a bow tie!
2001-10-17 03:46:49 PM  

Well, ask any Muslim if bin Laden is a true muslim, they may very well tell you no, but that doesn't change the truth.
2001-10-17 03:48:27 PM  
[image from farrakhanfactor.com too old to be available] is equal to [image from midihaven.com too old to be available] minus soul
2001-10-17 03:48:57 PM  
Actually thats the reason why Malcolm X left the NOI. When he made his Hajj. There he spent time with real muslims and realized that the NOI was full of shiat.
2001-10-17 03:49:37 PM  
but I still think farrakhan is GD moron and is narrowly edged out by the Taliban in terms of utter stupidity. So I'm not supporting farrakhan, just a point that he (and many other people) have brought up
2001-10-17 03:50:04 PM  
It's all a matter of perspective. Consider any splinter faction or cult that spins off from a religion. they all consider themselves to be improving on the original message. Once that new message conflicts with the fundamentals of the original religion, it no longer stands as a part of the whole. Mormons consider Jesus to be right. Christians don't believe Joseph Smith to be right.

I'm pretty comfortable in speculating that your average Muslim would agree that Elijah Mohammed is not a prophet of Islam and anyone who thinks he is is not a true Muslim.
2001-10-17 03:50:09 PM  
Uh, I guess no one's reading the BBC link I put up that shows the evidence presented to the British government that they in turn presented to their people.
They published all the evidence that they could which wouldn't jeopardize their intelligence opperatives and connections still in the field.
2001-10-17 03:50:10 PM  
I know this comment really doesn't matter on Fark, but I'm in one of my Ghandi moods, so I'll say it anyways. When you get upset at intolerant assholes who are full of hatred, don't let hatred of them consume you because it snowballs and you get worked up and eventually you degenerate into "FARRAKAHN IS SUCH A MORON HE'S COMPLETE shiat WE SHOULD KILL HIM IN FACT WE SHOULD KILL ALL HIS FOLLOWERS". You see how easy it is to become more and more extreme?

God dammit, I went and turned what I thought was a short comment into a farking dissertation. And I still haven't done that essay due tomorrow. Damn.
2001-10-17 03:51:30 PM  
You know -- call it strange -- but we do have the ability to separate WHAT somebody says from WHO somebody is. Just because Farrakhan wants to see evidence doesn't mean that anyone who wants to see evidence is Farrakhan.

I wanna see evidence -- if not now -- then I wanna know WHEN if ever we'll get to see this damning stuff. What can I say? I've got a healthy distrust for those in office. This is not a black and white issue.

But whatever -- anybody got beer?
2001-10-17 03:52:16 PM  
so.. how long until Cyberpunk shows up with his new name to staple people?
2001-10-17 03:54:15 PM  
Need to inject some SA macro action..sure to piss people off..

[image from midlands.keenspace.com too old to be available]
2001-10-17 03:54:53 PM  
If you ask a catholic priest, a lot of protestant sects aren't considered christians by the roman catholics. Just because the "official" islamic authorities wouldn't call NOI Islamic, doesn't mean the majority of islamic people around the world doesn't.
2001-10-17 03:55:11 PM  
"Well, ask any Muslim if bin Laden is a true muslim, they may very well tell you no, but that doesn't change the truth."

The truth is a reflection of one's behaviour. Unless Farrakhan (or Bin Laden, for that matter)is living his life according to all the tenants of Islam, he is not a true Muslim, regardless of what he calls himself.
2001-10-17 03:56:02 PM  
louis farakhan needs to slip in a puddle of AIDS and crack his skull open
2001-10-17 03:56:23 PM  
*yawn* I'm not the stapler, Robbie Fal. Try again.

This is almost as pathetic as when Jelloboy kept saying I was Jelloboytoy.
2001-10-17 03:56:42 PM  
bastich: "I guess that whole "innocent until proven guilty" business only applies to those not subject to media coverage."

Not true; however, the whole 'innocent until proven guilty' business only applies to US citizens. Last time I checked Osama neverBin Laden is not a US citizen, nor is he on trial for that matter.

We generally provide the same burdon of proof for foreigners, because we are nice, but we are not required to according to the constitution.
2001-10-17 03:57:28 PM  
Does this mean that thousands of Priest are just child molesters instead of Catholic Child Molesters.-
2001-10-17 03:58:50 PM  
isn't it great when those individuals who have a direct line to GOD himself speak out. I can't wait to hear what Jessie has to say.
2001-10-17 03:59:00 PM  

Well, if by "the Truth" you mean bin laden was raised muslim, yes it is true. But it is not true that Islam teaches what bin laden has done is right. He uses it as a guise to get muslims riled up. And people (non muslims) play right into when they say things like "kill all muslims".

Ask anyone (aside from bin laden and his followers) and they will tell you this not a case of Islam vs. The Rest of the World.
2001-10-17 03:59:16 PM  
"If you ask a catholic priest, a lot of protestant sects aren't considered christians by the roman catholics. Just because the "official" islamic authorities wouldn't call NOI Islamic, doesn't mean the majority of islamic people around the world doesn't."

Hmmm. Since when are Roman Catholics the "official" christian authorities?
2001-10-17 03:59:37 PM  
There's really only one thing to say about this: [image from thewayin.etherealvoid.net too old to be available]
2001-10-17 04:00:58 PM  
You will see proof when the government is and thinks you are ready. They owe you nothing in time of war or homeland defense, get over it. "innocent until proven guilty" who says it has to be proven to YOU or faracon that he is guilty till we can react and go get him. Get over yourselves, no I dont fully trust the government but what the hell am I going to do. Sure as hell not whine on Fark that "I deserve to know" and "Dont trust the government". If you havent noticed, times have changed, keep up, and get out of the old days of "everything must be done fairly when dealing with terrorists"
2001-10-17 04:04:00 PM  

A central tenet in Islam is that Mohammed was the last prophet, plain and simple. The NOI does not think he was the last prophet. They believe Elijah Mohammed came next.

ALL real muslims will tell you that Elijah Mohammed is not a prophet.
2001-10-17 04:06:31 PM  
Maybe if we could get Mils Lane to ref this thing then we could all play fare.
"OK I want a good clean war, no flying plane into buildings, no spreading boihazards through the mail and lets keep all those punches above the equator. Alwright, lets get it on"
2001-10-17 04:07:30 PM  
I'm not a big fan of this guy, but I'll have to agree -- where's this magic proof? Or is this just an excuse to kill Osama?
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