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(Examiner)   A man is playing with his crossbow in his backyard. Of course, 20 cops show up, beat him to a pulp, and seize his trailer   (examiner.com) divider line
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2010-12-26 11:33:51 PM  

R.A.Danny: I'mm all for putting up a bounty on every cop wearing fatigues.


Vermin aren't worth very much as bounties go
 
2010-12-26 11:35:06 PM  
It sounds like a sticky wicket, so to speak - or, in more local terms, a clusterfark - for the cops and the family concerned, alike.

At minute eight, a male officer wearing a black uniform, bulletproof vest and black ski cap comes and asks the woman to 'do him a favor', come outside to talk to someone. She says "No, I'm not gonna do that, my daughter's inside the house, I'm gonna stay right here." "Well how old is your daughter? he asks. "Does that matter?" she replies. The cop, whose demeanor then becomes physically agitated, is clearly outraged that someone refuses to answer his question, and demands "Actually it does, I want to know how old your daughter is".

Responding to an unknown assailant, that's probably not an unreasonable choice of uniform. It's a reasonable question, then, considering that the police may have a valid concern in regards to child welfare - depending on the legal validity of the concern, albeit.

Regarding the alleged bow and arrow activity in the front yard, the officer says "you can't do that; you can't shoot a firearm within city limits", oddly referring to a crossbow as a 'firearm'.

But, Simon, it is a firearm.

"What happened, did something happen inside?" he asks, seemingly trying to edge his way into the house.

Yeah, um, seemingly doesn't matter for squat, there.

Verdict: Clusterfark - end of story?
 
2010-12-26 11:35:37 PM  
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2010-12-26 11:35:57 PM  

s1ugg0: ghostofreasonpast: Your just as dead from a crossbow bolt as you are a bullet. Hell, crossbows have been used as recently as the Vietnam war in a combat role, and possibly even later then that.

When police are dealing with a guy, who is armed, refuses to show ID, and is not cooperating, they will stomp him for their safety. Had the guy produced ID, had a good backstop to prevent his bolts from endangering his neighbors, and been apologetic about not knowing he had broken the law, the police would have probably just given him a warning.

But by all means, let's blame the police for overreacting to an armed person while we set safely in our parent's basements.

As much as I am usually an advocate against police for them over reaching their powers and purpose. I support this statement whole heartedly.

The man was using a weapon illegally. This must be taken seriously. I am a huge 2nd amendment advocate as well but when a person is in possession of a weapon they must know how they can and can not act.

/3 times I have surrendered a knife to the police during a traffic stop so I don't get my ass kicked. Once was only a 1 inch pocket knife. Not once did I get a ticket.


did he unload it and put in on the hood of his car
 
2010-12-26 11:38:36 PM  
From reading the article I come to a few conclusions:
A) The cops overreacted in a big way
B) The homeowner probably acted like a jackass which made things worse
C) B will get some cash from A due to that video.

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Oh, looking at one of the linked articles on this I would like to know why this "decorated stump" in his yard has so many bolt size holes in it.
 
2010-12-26 11:39:38 PM  

skinink: Another green ling for Wampler. Congrats. I still haven't had my first link approved yet.


took me quite a while get my first...so worth the wait though

/not
 
2010-12-26 11:41:01 PM  

isamudyson: From reading the article I come to a few conclusions:
A) The cops overreacted in a big way
B) The homeowner probably acted like a jackass which made things worse
C) B will get some cash from A due to that video.


Oh, looking at one of the linked articles on this I would like to know why this "decorated stump" in his yard has so many bolt size holes in it.


why does him shooting a crossbow allow the cops to claim they can "seize" the woman's house. Go get a warrant from a judge and search it for a crossbow if you need to, but no cop should be able to "seize" anything.
 
2010-12-26 11:41:35 PM  

s1ugg0: The man was using a weapon illegally. This must be taken seriously. I am a huge 2nd amendment advocate as well but when a person is in possession of a weapon they must know how they can and can not act.

/3 times I have surrendered a knife to the police during a traffic stop so I don't get my ass kicked. Once was only a 1 inch pocket knife. Not once did I get a ticket.


Take the cop's dick out of your mouth. The crossbow was in the house, he was outside. When the cops approached him, he was apparently just hanging out in his backyard. No weapon in sight, therefore no reason to do anything to him. Just because his asshole neighbor said they saw him doing something doesn't mean jack. And the only time you're required to show ID during a police discussion is if you're operating a motor vehicle.

These cops should all be fired and raped with a flaming chainsaw.
 
2010-12-26 11:41:58 PM  

KidneyStone: GaryPDX: bojon: Trailer Park. Says a lot.

Wanna know how I know you're a bigot?

Sorry, Gary, trailer park does set a certain tone. Tornadoes choose trailer parks for a reason


Agreed, Trailer Park + Crossbow ownership + Dumb ass who can't figure out how to defuse a situation where cops are called on him without leading to assault charges =
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2010-12-26 11:41:59 PM  
Face it internet tough guys. You are all pussies.
I know I am.
 
2010-12-26 11:42:05 PM  

coco ebert: Sid_6.7: But I guess he's a poor victim, right?

Why the need for 20 cops? What's with America and overcompensation through excessive force?


Because when someone messes with a gang, real or imaginary, the entire gang shows up to issue a beat down.

Yes, I am suggesting that cops are no better than gang-bangers.
 
2010-12-26 11:43:35 PM  
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2010-12-26 11:44:04 PM  
I'm a crossbow and I'm getting a kick out of these replies
 
2010-12-26 11:44:18 PM  
Just by RTFA I know what sort of guy this arrested dude was. I dont know the term for it or even if a legitimate term exists, but we all know the type. They know, or think they know in most cases, their rights in any given situation down to the letter and very adamantly flaunt this. They are very cocky about challenging even the simplest request by anyone in power or authority and the situation usually escalates into something like this when it could have been ended peacefully and quietly by someone just not being this type of person. Does a name for this type of person even exist? I'm being serious here, does anyone know?
 
2010-12-26 11:44:44 PM  

ghostofreasonpast: Your just as dead from a crossbow bolt as you are a bullet. Hell, crossbows have been used as recently as the Vietnam war in a combat role, and possibly even later then that.

When police are dealing with a guy, who is armed, refuses to show ID, and is not cooperating, they will stomp him for their safety. Had the guy produced ID, had a good backstop to prevent his bolts from endangering his neighbors, and been apologetic about not knowing he had broken the law, the police would have probably just given him a warning.

But by all means, let's blame the police for overreacting to an armed person while we set safely in our parent's basements.


He was armed? He answered the door with his crossbow? They had absolute proof that he fired his crossbow and not just the word of a neighbor? Way to NOT RTFA.

In short...You're an idiot. There's this thing called probable cause. Your word against mine is NOT probable cause.
 
2010-12-26 11:45:37 PM  
I grew up in a place where this sort of activity (using weapons in technically illegal areas) is fairly normal, and I think once the cops are called it's because you've crossed the line from neighbor to weirdo/potentially dangerous person. There are so many ways out before police violence starts I have little mercy for this person.
 
2010-12-26 11:45:37 PM  

Lizardking: Just by RTFA I know what sort of guy this arrested dude was. I dont know the term for it or even if a legitimate term exists, but we all know the type. They know, or think they know in most cases, their rights in any given situation down to the letter and very adamantly flaunt this. They are very cocky about challenging even the simplest request by anyone in power or authority and the situation usually escalates into something like this when it could have been ended peacefully and quietly by someone just not being this type of person. Does a name for this type of person even exist? I'm being serious here, does anyone know?


It's called "an informed citizen", why?
 
2010-12-26 11:47:45 PM  

Noah_Tall: (B) & (C) were not the brightest moves on his part but as for (A) I don't know of any city or state that has restrictions on firing a crossbow on your own property. And if firing the crossbow wasn't illegal then they had no right to ask him for his id or attempt to restrain him in the first place.


A buddy of mine bowhunts, and he's told me it's technically illegal to target shoot in his backyard in NY because it's within 500 feet of his neighbors' houses. The state makes no distinction between guns and bows in terms of required distance.
 
2010-12-26 11:48:09 PM  

Sid_6.7: Noah_Tall: (A) I don't know of any city or state that has restrictions on firing a crossbow on your own property. And if firing the crossbow wasn't illegal then they had no right to ask him for his id or attempt to restrain him in the first place.

Applicable laws (new window).

Specifically:

It shall be unlawful for any person, except as provided in this chapter, to fire or discharge, within the corporate limits, or on any property of the City of Lincoln outside of the corporate limits, any air rifle, toy pistol, toy gun, slingshot, or any other air, gas, or spring operated gun, weapon, apparatus, or instrument for the purpose of throwing or projecting missiles of any kind by any means whatsoever in such a manner as to endanger the safety of persons or property, whether the instrument is called by any name set forth above or by any other name.

I'm not sure what "in such a manner as to endanger the safety of persons or property" would explicitly include, but I'm guessing that in your yard outside of a clearly established and designated firing range counts.


Your reading of the law also says you can't fire a nerf gun at a person (since it can hit them in the eye). Or maybe it's only illegal if you specifically aim at their face?

And then if that is true, why is it illegal to fire a crossbow at a standing target with no one around?
 
2010-12-26 11:48:18 PM  
This is all for just shooting it people, he made no threats, he wasn't acting erratic, they just said they thought they saw him shoot an arrow in his back yard. That does not provide rationalization for a 20-man beat down and arrest under even the most casual of scrutiny.

Laws aren't just meant to be enforced, they are meant to be enforced when appropriate and in relation to the circumstances under which they are applied.

They got called on this guy again and when they showed up they found they had nothing so they pushed for ID and got a pretense under which to escalate the situation. They make a few flimsy accusations and make sure they corroborate each others stories. Case Closed.

I hope he gets Paid.
 
2010-12-26 11:49:12 PM  
Search incident to the arrest:

Where officers perform an arrest or even temporarily detain a suspect in an incident involving any manner of alleged weapons, officers have the legal right to search any and all areas which are immediately accessible to the suspect and in which a weapon might be concealed which could subsequently be used against them.

Fourth Amendment quashed.
 
2010-12-26 11:51:03 PM  

Kirk's_Toupee: Face it internet tough guys. You are all pussies.
I know I am.


No, some of us have had pigs at the door looking to cause trouble but the pig wasn't smart or dumb enough to take that extra step. It never hurts to respectfully mock the pig through a through knowledge of your rights and a willingness to play along. It also doesn't hurt to be friends with Mr. Winchester.
 
2010-12-26 11:51:56 PM  

Shaddup: ghostofreasonpast: Your just as dead from a crossbow bolt as you are a bullet. Hell, crossbows have been used as recently as the Vietnam war in a combat role, and possibly even later then that.

When police are dealing with a guy, who is armed, refuses to show ID, and is not cooperating, they will stomp him for their safety. Had the guy produced ID, had a good backstop to prevent his bolts from endangering his neighbors, and been apologetic about not knowing he had broken the law, the police would have probably just given him a warning.

But by all means, let's blame the police for overreacting to an armed person while we set safely in our parent's basements.

He was armed? He answered the door with his crossbow? They had absolute proof that he fired his crossbow and not just the word of a neighbor? Way to NOT RTFA.

In short...You're an idiot. There's this thing called probable cause. Your word against mine is NOT probable cause.


Yeah, that's called reasonable suspicion, and it has it's own standards of conduct.
 
2010-12-26 11:52:26 PM  

uncletogie: Lizardking: Just by RTFA I know what sort of guy this arrested dude was. I dont know the term for it or even if a legitimate term exists, but we all know the type. They know, or think they know in most cases, their rights in any given situation down to the letter and very adamantly flaunt this. They are very cocky about challenging even the simplest request by anyone in power or authority and the situation usually escalates into something like this when it could have been ended peacefully and quietly by someone just not being this type of person. Does a name for this type of person even exist? I'm being serious here, does anyone know?

It's called "an informed citizen", why?


It's called "a moron who listens to too much talk radio and fantasizes about the day the government topples and people are forced to do his bidding due to the consequences they face due to the size of his gun collection", why?
 
2010-12-26 11:55:01 PM  

Lizardking: Does a name for this type of person even exist? I'm being serious here, does anyone know?


Belligerent?


Here's the thing though...I don't like loud people or even rude ones BUT, everyone here who's spouting quips about him getting what he earned doesn't seem to realize they're cutting their own throats.

I don't want to have to give my ID, roll over and let anyone search my house when they feel like it. And I'd like it even less if they seized my stuff on top of it just to prove a point. In short: THIS (new window)
 
2010-12-26 11:57:09 PM  
I have to admit I would have felt that my life was in danger if pigs had swarmed my yard. When I feel my life is in danger and I am being threatened, I understand that I am allowed to use deadly force. This dude should have killed some of these vermin. And it could be argued that it would have been legal for him to do that.
 
2010-12-26 11:57:58 PM  
Sid_6.7
He could have prevented this by:

A. Not firing the crossbow.

B. Giving them his ID.

Papers please? FTP

There is no requirement (yet) in the US to carry ID.
 
2010-12-26 11:59:57 PM  
Sid_6.7:

He could have prevented this by:

C. Not resisting them when they inevitably attempted to restrain him because he failed to provide his ID.

And you know he resisted how? Because cops say so?
 
2010-12-27 12:00:25 AM  

OnlyM3: There is no requirement (yet) in the US to carry ID.


Many states do have a stop and identity law, usually it does not require ID. In Ohio the only required information are name, address and date of birth, but only if the LEO has a reasonable suspicion that a person is either a suspect or a witness.
 
2010-12-27 12:01:06 AM  

R.A.Danny: I'mm all for putting up a bounty on every cop wearing fatigues.


Are you nuts? A bounty? We could all end up in the clinker for this. You can't put a bounty on a man's head.
 
2010-12-27 12:01:31 AM  
So many people prefer to blame the victim. Now even knowing your rights, let alone exercising them, means you are an asshole?

Not so much.
 
2010-12-27 12:02:08 AM  

Lizardking: They are very cocky about challenging even the simplest request by anyone in power or authority and the situation usually escalates into something like this when it could have been ended peacefully and quietly by someone just not being this type of person. Does a name for this type of person even exist? I'm being serious here, does anyone know?


A Patriot?
 
2010-12-27 12:02:36 AM  

GaryPDX: bojon: Trailer Park. Says a lot.

Wanna know how I know you're a bigot?


People who live in trailers are poor. Poor people don't have rights. If they wanted to have rights, they shouldn't have been poor.
 
2010-12-27 12:02:45 AM  

Lizardking: Just by RTFA I know what sort of guy this arrested dude was. I dont know the term for it or even if a legitimate term exists, but we all know the type. They know, or think they know in most cases, their rights in any given situation down to the letter and very adamantly flaunt this. They are very cocky about challenging even the simplest request by anyone in power or authority and the situation usually escalates into something like this when it could have been ended peacefully and quietly by someone just not being this type of person. Does a name for this type of person even exist? I'm being serious here, does anyone know?


A man?

An Informed Citizen sick of his rights being trampled?

Maybe I'll call the Pigs and claim that I'm your neighbor and I just witnessed you farking your dog. When 20 pigs show up and start demanding that you shut up and comply with everything they demand I'm sure you'll be all polite and demure. After all, NOBODY has asshole neighbors that would lie to the farking pigs. And the pigs never escalate a situation to where they use excessive force before they have all the facts...Amirite
 
2010-12-27 12:03:17 AM  

Beer It's What's For Dinner: Noah_Tall: (B) & (C) were not the brightest moves on his part but as for (A) I don't know of any city or state that has restrictions on firing a crossbow on your own property. And if firing the crossbow wasn't illegal then they had no right to ask him for his id or attempt to restrain him in the first place.

A buddy of mine bowhunts, and he's told me it's technically illegal to target shoot in his backyard in NY because it's within 500 feet of his neighbors' houses. The state makes no distinction between guns and bows in terms of required distance.



So what? You can shoot a bow 500 feet. The record for an accurate bow shot is over 2,000 yards!

I know we look down at the crossbow compared to a gun, but we really shouldn't underestimate it. Crossbows were still being issues to armies in asia has recently as 1980.

From 75 yards away, a decent cross bow could go right through a car door and hit the person on the other side.

For a man living in a trailer park, there is a real risk of him missing his target and easier harming someone 100 yards away even inside their own trailer.
 
2010-12-27 12:03:46 AM  
What a clusterf*ck - I'm willing to bet it isn't over yet. The gal that taped the video is going to get her share of brutality as well.
Travesty is a nice way to put it.
 
2010-12-27 12:03:59 AM  
Had enough government yet?
 
2010-12-27 12:04:02 AM  

KidneyStone:
/We're members of a group that cops tend to like a lot


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2010-12-27 12:04:09 AM  

OnlyM3: Sid_6.7
He could have prevented this by:

A. Not firing the crossbow.

B. Giving them his ID.

Papers please? FTP

There is no requirement (yet) in the US to carry ID.


As I understand it, if requested by law enforcement, you are required to:

1.)Correctly identify yourself
2.)Correctly identify where you reside
3.)Clearly state why you are where you are

I believe that's all.

Finally, if arrested, say nothing without legal representation.
 
2010-12-27 12:04:35 AM  

uncletogie: Lizardking: Just by RTFA I know what sort of guy this arrested dude was. I dont know the term for it or even if a legitimate term exists, but we all know the type. They know, or think they know in most cases, their rights in any given situation down to the letter and very adamantly flaunt this. They are very cocky about challenging even the simplest request by anyone in power or authority and the situation usually escalates into something like this when it could have been ended peacefully and quietly by someone just not being this type of person. Does a name for this type of person even exist? I'm being serious here, does anyone know?

It's called "an informed citizen", why?


Dammit! I just used that. great minds...Yadda,yadda
 
2010-12-27 12:04:49 AM  
oh wow. another "lol i have pigs" thread. gosh. what fun.
 
2010-12-27 12:05:18 AM  

AbbeySomeone: What a clusterf*ck - I'm willing to bet it isn't over yet. The gal that taped the video is going to get her share of brutality as well.
Travesty is a nice way to put it.


Once that video goes viral it'll be all over for the cops and the city. They're going to be paying through the nose for this little stunt.

Personally, I hope one or more of the cops ends up in prison.
 
2010-12-27 12:06:30 AM  

farkin_Gary: OnlyM3: Sid_6.7
He could have prevented this by:

A. Not firing the crossbow.

B. Giving them his ID.

Papers please? FTP

There is no requirement (yet) in the US to carry ID.

As I understand it, if requested by law enforcement, you are required to:

1.)Correctly identify yourself
2.)Correctly identify where you reside
3.)Clearly state why you are where you are

I believe that's all.

Finally, if arrested, say nothing without legal representation.


Actually, that's not correct. However, refusing to identify yourself may lead to repercussions. Being right doesn't protect you from retaliation, which will not be punished even if you win in court.
 
2010-12-27 12:06:53 AM  

GaryPDX: bojon: Trailer Park. Says a lot.

Wanna know how I know you're a bigot?


He's a classist, you retard!
 
2010-12-27 12:07:16 AM  
How many dogs were killed by those police just because, I wonder?
 
2010-12-27 12:07:18 AM  
What an annoying farking side pop up window.
 
2010-12-27 12:07:27 AM  
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2010-12-27 12:07:55 AM  
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This alone speaks volumes.
 
2010-12-27 12:08:34 AM  
I love how a lot of people are taking the word of a redneck and a blogger from Examiner. It's not like Examiner bloggers get paid based on whatever traffic they can scrape up and not, you know...facts.
 
2010-12-27 12:09:55 AM  

Bunnyhat: A buddy of mine bowhunts, and he's told me it's technically illegal to target shoot in his backyard in NY because it's within 500 feet of his neighbors' houses. The state makes no distinction between guns and bows in terms of required distance.


So what? You can shoot a bow 500 feet. The record for an accurate bow shot is over 2,000 yards!


I wasn't complaining, I was stating a fact.
 
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