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2003-07-01 01:47:35 PM  
I want to point out in this flame war it was the US media show started this entire "US hates France" BS. The US was being a jerk in the UN with bullying last fall.

France as a demoracy chose for itself, just like Turkey. They saw through the lies then what the US media is FINALLY picking up now.

Is this neo-con BS backlash? Yes, would they have done it if we would not have attacked them after their UN stance? Of course not.

The problem started with the US, we should be a big enough country to END IT HERE AND NOW! (think back to what your parent(s) taught you in elementery school).

If 1st or 2nd graders can get it right, WHY CAN'T ADULTS!
2003-07-01 01:47:40 PM  
Did we lose this war with Iraq?? Did we need France's help??
2003-07-01 01:47:41 PM  
good news is Mandrakesoft's Chapter 11 is running smoothly

this link explains
2003-07-01 01:47:55 PM  
2003-07-01 01:41:28 PM Deschit
And if they have a problem with that, here's the question du jour: Can you kick my ass?

Great way to win friends and influence people. Unfortunately for America, this is the same diplomatic tactic used by the Bush administration. Not very smart when conducting a war against terrorists. We need all the friends we can get.
2003-07-01 01:48:00 PM  
so the french did not appreciate the intelligent elite renaming "french fries" freedom fries. good for them. americans have done much more moronic stuff to the french in the past months.
2003-07-01 01:48:07 PM  
Yeah, all I can say to that is "Freedom Fries". Taking the recent US fad of bashing the French, I'm not the least bit surprised by some backlash from the other side.

And for fark's sake, isn't it time Americans lost some of the ego? Sure, we helped the French in WWII. (Of course we must still downplay Russia's role in stopping the Nazis, since they're the OLD "bad guys", and we must completely ignore that American businessmen helped build the Third Reich in the first place.) They helped us win our independence from Great Britain, and have been one of our longest-standing allies. The very symbol of what this country is supposed to stand for was a gift from France (Statue of Liberty, anyone), and the first thing a lot of our families saw when arriving here was said statue.

So France opposed our war of conquest of Iraq. Quite a few of us Americans were with them on that one, namely those of us who didn't want our friends and family in the armed forces to be used as pawns in a war solely intended to improve business for Dick Cheney and his business partners.

So as endosymbiont quite eloquently stated, "It's time to give the thoughtless jingoism a break" (and stop expecting other nations to worship us when we act like idiots.)
2003-07-01 01:48:34 PM  
2003-07-01 01:48:35 PM  

You guys are all tards. This stuff was removed from the Museum's gift shop. Supply, meet demand. This is just as nonsensical as the 'freedom' foods our own government renamed, and the suggestion to exume american soldiers and move them back to the united statest.

You guys need to RTFA. They removed some 'America' trinkets from the gift shop. No, but i guess its cooler to kneejerk.


2003-07-01 01:48:37 PM  
Actually, the French and Russian opposition to the war may not have been much more altruistic than Bush's push for it. They had Oil contracts with Iraq, and wanted those contracts to be preserved.

The opposition was motivated by overwelming popular support. I doubt any of the millions of protestors had a stake in the oil contracts.
2003-07-01 01:48:58 PM  
Maybe they were just out of merchandise.
2003-07-01 01:49:05 PM  
You forgot to update your scorecard.

Operation Iraqi "Freedom": Score 1 for France

so it's all tied up going in to the home half of the 9th.
2003-07-01 01:49:16 PM  
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Stupid French. To me the issue isn't who owes what to whom.

Forget about the past and look at the present. Even if they want to be blind and stupidly oppose the war, they had the right to do so. But what put them over the line was when they went from passive abstinance to active sabotage (there's a nice French word). They actively sought to bully African nations to vote against us in the UN. That is something a so-called ally does NOT do, regardless of how much we saved them in the past.
2003-07-01 01:49:26 PM  
Perhaps we should strike back by removing this from our museums:

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2003-07-01 01:49:38 PM  


Amazingly enough, the US is not a country founded by the Borg! It's actually possible for people here to have differing viewpoints, and for us to think that some of the backlash against the french was childish and assinine!
2003-07-01 01:49:54 PM  
In honor of our allies to the north:

O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.

With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

/sits back down
2003-07-01 01:49:57 PM  
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Viva la France!
2003-07-01 01:50:01 PM  
also, france didn't help us win that war, they helped make britain lose it.
2003-07-01 01:50:07 PM  

Those damn French laissez-faire CAPITALISTS!!
2003-07-01 01:50:10 PM  
Actually, they are the only peacekeepers in Kabul. That is why we are going easy on them. Besides, we know what happens if Germany goes non-pacifist again.

France is giving us alot of help with Al Qaeda, but it does not make for "entertaining" hate radio shows, so the media ignores that fact.
2003-07-01 01:50:14 PM  
mmm > = > not %gt;... Any homes for sale in Alabama?
2003-07-01 01:50:18 PM  
SchlingFo: that was my first thought.

heck, if you can't trust the New York Times to be accurate, you should always be skeptical of some random guy's blog.

but the french-bashing is always welcome
2003-07-01 01:50:31 PM  
Article is written poorly, hardly an article at all, rather a rant. No direct comments from the museum staff, no explanation. Jesus we americans love to use leaping logic.
2003-07-01 01:50:40 PM  
Salmacis: The French missed the point of the resolution. It wasn't to allow inspectors in to find illegal weapons, it was to have the inspectors *verify* Iraq's *immediate* compliance with all outstanding resolutions. Iraq didn't comply, therefore the inspectors had no mission. France, of course, missed the point on purpose. They're French after all.

Dorsai: Strange how Hans Blix doesn't agree with you. He's quite scathing about how his mission was politicized by the US administration.

There was a protocol for the eventuality of the UN team failing. The USA and Britain ignored it.
2003-07-01 01:51:06 PM  
What good we have done for the French:
1)World War I
2)World War II
3)Vietnam war (former French colony)

What outright "bad" we have done to the French:
1)XYZ affair

What good they have done for us:
1) Revolutionary war (battle of yorktown)

So basically, if you weigh it out--we owe them nothing and they owe us nothing, so let's leave it at that, shall we?
2003-07-01 01:51:10 PM  
This always makes me smile...

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If it doesn't work I'll cry.
2003-07-01 01:51:14 PM  
pontechango Yes, but the same goes for a lot of Americans who actually supported the war. It seems to me that it was just a bunch of people blindly following their leaders on both sides...
2003-07-01 01:51:27 PM  
Mrfancypants ...
I believe the phrase you are looking for is: "An enemy of my enemy is my friend".

As far as our independence goes ... it was US vs. UK with France coming over only to help spit on the British. They were NOT interested in our freedom, they just saw the war as a way to make England look really bad.

And please do not start getting retarded ideas about sending the Statue of Liberty back. She has been an inspiration for many people who have come to this country. So what if the French gave it to us. We almost didn't get it. It was a gift, so she is ours now ... we went through a lot to maintain her and keep her standing. It is breathtaking to see the world from inside her crown. Do NOT be so petty that you feel the need to try and do away with her.
2003-07-01 01:51:39 PM  
It's funny, the French are hypocritical on everything.

American bashing France=Ignorant American
French bashing America=educated individual

American who loves his/her country=nationalistic
French who loves his/her country=normal

France, stfu. You were just as wrong on Iraq as we were. Don't act like your all high and mighty just because you think your better than America.
2003-07-01 01:52:04 PM  
The french, who are the filth of the planet, shall pay for their insolence. Even those who say we should thank france for their on-again off-again lackluster support in the Revolutionary War need to see that we bailed them out of TWO World Wars, and many 10's of thousands of Americans died to save their shiatty country, while probably not more than maybe a few thousand frogmen died in our glorious Revolution.

The next time they cry out for our help, either economically or militarily, we can tell em where to stick it.

When I went there a few years ago, they were total aisholes, definitely the RUDEST foreigners I've ever had the displeasure of meeting, and I've traveled all around the world. Fark em.

Someone above said it best- just dont buy any of their shiatty products and dont travel there. Hit em where it hurts, the wallet.
2003-07-01 01:52:13 PM  
Aie-yie-yie! Leave those brave men who died for the Liberation of France ALONE! They have nothing to do with today's squabbles...
2003-07-01 01:52:13 PM  
Damn, this thread may break records. Based on this guys site, and as he refers to it as a "Propoganda Bureau", I don't believe it until it is confirmed. Nor do i really care what the French think...

and we're keeping the statue, Biatch!

/back to work
2003-07-01 01:52:26 PM  
whydontyoucryaboutit: What a bunch of farking douchebags, see if we ever bale them out again!

Yeah, they're so much more disrespectful than the Iraqis we just liberated who can't seem to stop killing their liberators. I guess by your logic, we won't be bailing them out again either. . .

While I'm on the subject, it's funny how easy people's sense of self is tied to the artificial divisions people place amongst themselves. It seems the most topical sense of group identity these days stems from one's country of residence...Which of course explains why "The French" are douchebags and "Americans" are not. It doesn't take much thought, though, to see how silly this mentality is. Our country, for those who haven't been paying attention, has more than its share of douchebags--people I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire...People I'd have no interest in dying for if I were forced to serve in the military (look no further than our president). Still, it always seems to make people feel better to label an entire other country full of people, some good and some bad, as "douchebags" or "pussies" or "surrender-monkeys." I guess this satisfies some primal tribe or clan instinct left over from the stone age for those evolution-believers out there...

I think Doug Stanhope said it very well if he didn't say it best: being the best country is like being the hottest Denny's waitress--just because you're the best doesn't mean you're all that good.
2003-07-01 01:52:37 PM  
Stryperswine, I suppose the US didn't do any bullying of it's own? Like holding foreign aid and national debts in the balance of a country's decision to support our invasion?
2003-07-01 01:52:46 PM  
Good point ALBO ... I'm tired of being the only idiot in Toronto sitting at my desk anyway.
2003-07-01 01:52:53 PM  
MrGumbopantswroteAll this false sincerity for people who died in the goddamn 1940s! People in my family have been killed in wars and we wouldn't dream of being so self righteous about it. Jesus. Some of you are ridiculous!
The cola-wars don't count.
2003-07-01 01:52:54 PM  
(there's a nice French word). They actively sought to bully African nations to vote against us in the UN. That is something a so-called ally does NOT do, regardless of how much we saved them in the past.

Hah. That is very much like American policy, actually. Do you have any references to back up your statement? (the Washington Times and Newsmax don't count)
2003-07-01 01:53:01 PM  
They already took down the French flags outside the Paris Hotel/Casino in Las Vegas. What more do ya want?!

/back to work
2003-07-01 01:53:24 PM  
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"I love the smell of flamewar in the morning."
2003-07-01 01:53:35 PM  
Why would anyone respect an obese nation of corporate and political sheep? What the americans did 60 years ago certainly helped make the world a better place but those days are long gone.
2003-07-01 01:54:13 PM  
I get the biggest kick out of the people who say France opposed the US out of some moral stance.

Talk about ignorant wishful thinking.
2003-07-01 01:54:15 PM  
How about them Mets? Eh. Can't wait for football season. J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! WooHoo!
2003-07-01 01:54:25 PM  
The way some Americans were acting towards France, I don't blame them.
2003-07-01 01:54:34 PM  
magnificent bastard you are magnificent.

my view is that the French are big boys and girls, and as such know that their words and their actions have consequences. If they say or do stuff we don't like, which they did, then don't biatch when wine sales and tourism is down, which is it. That's life in this dimension we call reality.
2003-07-01 01:54:47 PM  

Um, the XYZ Affair was a "bad" we did for the French. I don't think so. Read about it here.
2003-07-01 01:54:48 PM  
2003-07-01 01:55:15 PM  
Maybe we should "Ban" France...

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get it??
2003-07-01 01:55:16 PM  
How bout this Shut...UP-

America does it = being childish

France does it = being childish

sonnyboy11 = still does not believe U.S pre-emptive strike against a third world country that was not an immediate threat to our national security was necessary and believes France was right to take the anti-war stance they did.

But I still don't like berets...
2003-07-01 01:55:19 PM  
Taking the recent US fad of bashing the French, I'm not the least bit surprised by some backlash from the other side.

How long has the US hated the French? And they JUST caught on???
2003-07-01 01:55:22 PM  
We didn't win WWII. We just made it more complicated.
2003-07-01 01:55:34 PM  
JETS?? JETS?!?!?! Don't they have jets in France??? I HATE THE JETS!!!!
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