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Jon Stewart to Reddit: you don't matter
Posted by Drew at 2010-11-01 2:41:26 PM, edited 2010-11-01 4:13:48 PM (5858 comments) | Permalink
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Backstory: Reddit has been pushing support for the Stewart/Colbert rally since its inception, possibly since before its inception.

At the Rally For Sanity press conference on Saturday, Alexis Ohanian, co-founder of Reddit, asked Stewart and Colbert a question: what role did the Internet play in convincing you to hold this rally? The response: "it didn't hurt."

Question at around 1:40​r​ally-to- re store-sanity-press-conference/

Did you hear that Reddit? All that work you put into getting the word out, organizing meetups, and convincing people to go "didn't hurt". All that initial support in getting the ball rolling on this rally a few months back was great, but it wasn't a factor. Thanks for your meaningless and futile support that Comedy Central really didn't need at the end of the day to get a surprise crowd of 250,000 people to the rally. Did you hear that Internet? You had no role in this either, it was all Comedy Central all the way.

Colbert doesn't get a pass on this either, his "thanks Reddit for raising half a million dollars for our charity but it didn't affect attendence one way or the other" comment is a backhanded compliment at best.

And to say this all live, in a press conference, to the co-founder of a community of millions that did everything in its power to get the word out past its own readers to the greater internet, that is flat out disrespectful and wrong. Alexis is a friend of mine, and he's a super nice guy. He would never dream of saying this to Jon Stewart but I will: you owe Alexis an apology and you owe Reddit an apology. I'll stop short at saying you owe The Internet an apology because honestly I think The Internet owes us all an apology for a number of things, Justin Bieber notwithstanding.

In the clip you'll notice Stewart uses part of his answer to Alexis' question to make the point that Comedy Central had the idea for this rally "months" before Reddit did. Which is really odd considering Alexis didn't ask or imply that Reddit gave Comedy Central the idea for the rally in the first place. Sounds like someone feels a litle guilty about something. Who thought of it first doesn't matter, it is impossible to deny that Reddit's actions encouraged Comedy Central to actually pull the trigger. Except Stewart did, right to Alexis Ohanian's face, in a live press conference.

Why am I so bent about this? First and foremost, because a friend of mine got smacked down on live TV by a guy he helped, and I can't stand by and do nothing about it without at least saying something. But also because Daily Show writers have been doing essentially the same thing to me, every single day for the past 10 years. They use Fark every day to source material, and haven't mentioned Fark on air even one single time. It's the same attitude toward Reddit: "sure doesn't hurt, but not a significant contribution." Thanks to Fark, your writers don't have to go far to fill your shows up with material for you to use. Every writer I've met thanks me vociferously for Fark and tells me how much easier it makes their jobs. Sure that's not worth a daily mention, but I would think at least one in the last 10 years. It has yet to happen. I've learned to live with it, but Alexis is my friend and he does not deserve this kind of treatment. Especially considering the effort Reddit put into promoting the rally.

I'm not implying they owe Reddit or Fark any credit for the success of the Rally, that's definitely not the case. Comedy Central did the bulk of the work, that can't be disputed. This is about common courtesy. If someone does you a favor, a thank you is a kind and appropriate response. In Reddit's case, "it doesn't hurt" is a slap in the face. It discounts all the effort they went through - and they went through a lot. And they weren't the only ones, several other large web communities pitched in as well.

Here's my proposal: Jon Stewart should apologize for discounting the impact that Reddit and other Internet communities had on this rally, or next time The Internet should remember Comedy Central thinks they don't count and should show them what happens when "The Internet" actively works to convince people to not attend. Because if Reddit had put similar effort into convincing people not to attend, the crowd size would have been far smaller than anticipated. And if you don't believe me, let's see how it goes next time if Stewart makes the wrong decision.

PS: pretty sure this post will guarantee that I and/or Fark never get a mention on The Daily Show but that wasn't happening anyhow.
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2010-11-01 02:57:33 PM  
So are we thanking Fark, Reddit, or Comedy Central for the laughs from the articles posted here. Maybe we should make youtube videos dedicated to submitters for every link, just so s/he knows we care in the cockles of our hearts.
2010-11-01 02:57:34 PM  
I don't think I've ever seen Drew white knight someone so much.
2010-11-01 02:57:58 PM  
Better fill out that butthurt report form.
2010-11-01 02:58:24 PM  
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2010-11-01 02:59:10 PM  
I first saw the idea of a Colbert rally being debated on a thread here about the Beck rally, but no matter.

Drew, you need to tone it down. What did you expect them to do? Lavish praise on Reddit while ignoring who signs their paychecks? Do you actually think at least Colbert doesn't understand the power of the internet? It's more likely that they don't want to appear ungrateful to all the work & money Comedy Central threw at the rally by acknowledging what Reddit & other sites did or didn't do.
2010-11-01 02:59:12 PM  

Ringtailed79: You'll get over it.

Done in one.
2010-11-01 02:59:15 PM  
Such a classic case of "butthurt" if there ever was one.
2010-11-01 02:59:18 PM  

Wendy's Chili: Wow, Drew.

Get the f*ck over yourself.

2010-11-01 02:59:20 PM  
Awwwww, Snowflake...
2010-11-01 02:59:24 PM  
I'm detecting some butthurt.
2010-11-01 02:59:26 PM  
But also because Daily Show writers have been doing essentially the same thing to me, every single day for the past 10 years. They use Fark every day to source material

[citation needed]
2010-11-01 02:59:27 PM  
Oh noes...
Cue: 'Stewart fake apology;' Colbert 'Tonight's Word: Reddit Edit'

2010-11-01 02:59:30 PM  
so when is this rally? I might actually leave my basement and attend.
2010-11-01 02:59:31 PM  
Jon and Stephen explicitly said they were planning this rally. I don't think the 25K people that put together the website to urge them to hold one and talked about it on reddit made them plan a rally they were already planning.
2010-11-01 02:59:31 PM  
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/you'll get over it
2010-11-01 02:59:39 PM  
I'm going to hold off on an opinion until Oprah tells me what it is.
2010-11-01 02:59:57 PM  
The only times I've ever heard about Reddit were on Fark.

Does this mean I'm uncool?
2010-11-01 03:00:05 PM  
With all due respect:

Alexis' question was, "What role did the internet campaign play in convincing you to hold this rally."

Not what impact did it have on the success of the rally. Stephen Colbert also brought up Reddit by name and explicitly thanked the community and said that it was a nice reinforcement from their fans.

Stephen also mentioned the Reddit campaign on his show as well as thanked them personally.​ders-for- d onors-choose-response/

I agree that both the Colbert Report and Daily Show owe a certain amount to the internet and the communities for material, and a mention would be nice, but I don't feel that this is an example of them not being appropriately appreciative.
2010-11-01 03:00:30 PM  
This is true. The folks at Comedy Central didn't do enough to actually thank the groups that made this the success it was. I'd imagine that much of that is due to a desire to decouple the message from any particular group which may do something embarrassing in the future, but that's not a good enough reason.

My theory is that the powers-that-be didn't want to thank another media company, in fact the one which stole their CIO just a few months ago. Additionally, there may have been some concern that any credit to any external group would act as some kind of endorsement, which could backfire the next time reddit has a flamewar and the trolls get more attention because they're trolls.

That's my theory, and my hope, because otherwise he's a flaming jerkwad who doesn't get the whole "internet" thing, and seeing how he has mocked GWB's "internets" and Stephens' "tubes", he certainly seems to be in the same league now.
2010-11-01 03:00:38 PM  
Someone has a victim complex. "Waah, my compliment was understated."
2010-11-01 03:00:52 PM  
This contains some butthurt
2010-11-01 03:00:57 PM  

danaganooc: Wow, the age old "x steals from Fark". Fark rarely ever hosts original content. Fark is an aggregator. You can't steal material from Fark, since all Fark does is collect its material from the internet. Give it up.

Actually, when [insert Wacky-Morning-Drive-Time-DJs here] read Fark (and/or Reddit) headlines on the air verbatim, yeah - they're stealing material. Credit where credit is due, and all that...
2010-11-01 03:01:09 PM  
Drew, this is what we call Politics. Get your head out of your ass.
2010-11-01 03:01:11 PM  
... uh, wtf, Drew?

Q: "Hi I'm from Reddit"

Colbert: Reddit did an awesome job, thanks for the donation, it was hugely significant, a half a million, great job.

Q: "Oh, thanks. What role did the internet have in convincing you to hold the rally."

Stewart: "uh, well, none actually, I mean, we had the idea and even had paperwork in long before it started up online"

Colbert: "yeah, we were in before you guys were on, but once you guys were on it was a great validation of the whole thing, it made us feel like we weren't crazy."

Stewart: "yeah, exactly, it didn't hurt" (obviously joking)

... This is an insult? Really?

What crawdaddy said. The question was specifically "did our efforts convince you to hold the rally" and the answer was an honest, well, no we were going to do it anyhow but we were really happy with the way it immediately got picked up once word got out.

How is that a slight? Man it seemed genuinely appreciative to me, and Colbert even seemed humbled by the donation bit.
2010-11-01 03:01:19 PM  
Shouldn't Facebook be thanked too? It had ~220,000 people saying they'd attend the event, and the actual attendance was close to that.
2010-11-01 03:01:20 PM  

Tastes Like Chicken: TDS and every morning radio show that ever discusses "funny news stories" should wake up every morning and kiss Drew and the entire Fark community's ass.

Yes, because if Fark didn't exist, there would be no snark in the world, but instead there would be nothing but hate and cat-fighting with everybody's panties filled with self-righteous sand.
2010-11-01 03:01:22 PM  
Reddit has and always will be the hyper activist hippie college freshman of the internet. Fark is the jaded middle aged cubicle drone that takes no pleasure in anything beyond criticizing others. Also, John is getting a little too much of a big head over this crap. Colbert is a hell of a lot better.
2010-11-01 03:01:28 PM  
WTF, Drew? Lighten up, man. He didn't say anything offensive or even really downplay it. The Reddit support helped, but wasn't the majority contributor or anything. He summed it up about right.
2010-11-01 03:01:29 PM  

stevenboof: I don't think I've ever seen Drew white knight someone so much.

Drew thinks Jon Stewart will sleep with him.
2010-11-01 03:01:44 PM  
Who wrote this piece of crap and what were they drinking? Stop it. Who the f@ck gets pissed off over a phony rally run by a bunch of entertainers? Oh wait...

TEApot/kettle black, blah blah blah

Still, what a pussy.
2010-11-01 03:01:54 PM  
I think Drew raises a valid point.

/Farker for 6 years, Redditor for 2
2010-11-01 03:01:55 PM  
Reddit? Never heard of it.
2010-11-01 03:02:00 PM  

stevenboof: I don't think I've ever seen Drew white knight someone so much.

Tucker Max.
2010-11-01 03:02:00 PM  
Note to Jon Stewart: YOU don't matter either.
2010-11-01 03:02:11 PM  
you rage, you lose.
2010-11-01 03:02:13 PM  
There was a rally?
2010-11-01 03:02:21 PM  
Heard about the rally on Daily Show, then FARK. Never done reddit.

The internet is very compartmentalized. What is high impact to some is nonexistent to others.
2010-11-01 03:02:47 PM  
Okay then. I'd just wish Stewart had told people to vote for sane candidates with his big ass megaphone.
2010-11-01 03:02:50 PM  
I just learned of Reddit.
2010-11-01 03:02:53 PM  
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2010-11-01 03:03:04 PM  
When did Drew turn into a whiny farking old woman with sand in his vagina?

Christ, you'll get over it.
2010-11-01 03:03:11 PM  
Sounds like somebody is butthurt about their inflated sense of ego not getting a stroke.
2010-11-01 03:03:17 PM  

danaganooc: Wow, the age old "x steals from Fark". Fark rarely ever hosts original content. Fark is an aggregator. You can't steal material from Fark, since all Fark does is collect its material from the internet. Give it up.

I wonder how much of Fark's original content spills over from 4chan?
2010-11-01 03:03:34 PM  
Even Glenn Beck thanked everyone in the known new world that helped with his little shindig. I would never have thought a class act like Stewart would slight the very people who helped him out.
2010-11-01 03:03:47 PM  
What is a Reddit?
2010-11-01 03:03:49 PM  
Bandy about all the page hit numbers you want, but really the internet's influence only extends to people who are on their computers for most of their day. Guess what? The majority of Americans aren't. It's easy to think that the whole world is online when everyone you know has at least a Facebook account, but it really only equates to self masturbation. The same could be said for people who want to believe that e-readers are this huge phenomenon and the norm. You have lost context.

Cut ties to all earthly possessions. Get the door, it's Dominoes.
2010-11-01 03:03:51 PM  
But all Fark does is put a bunch of stuff that other people send in in one place and oh yeah Reddit does also so... nevermind.
2010-11-01 03:03:51 PM  

SlightlyShotgunned: I think Drew raises a valid point.

/Farker for 6 years, Redditor for 2

That didn't give you any credibility in the matter. But nice try.
2010-11-01 03:03:53 PM  

Ringtailed79: You'll get over it.

Perfect. Done in one.
2010-11-01 03:04:10 PM  

Wendy's Chili: Wow, Drew.

Get the f*ck over yourself.

I think you owe him an apology. I mean, really, he and the mods do all the work so you have shiat to talk about when you're bored at work.
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