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2010-09-13 11:04:14 PM  
Hahahaha.
 
2010-09-13 11:22:25 PM  
EMF at higher frequencies is used to cook food... at lower frequencies (AM broadcast) it can still burn a person.

Long term exposure at even lower frequencies could still be harmful.

Why do I expect that all the tests that show this to not be true have been paid for by power companies?
 
2010-09-13 11:29:08 PM  
I see what you did there early-nineties-mitter
 
2010-09-13 11:45:56 PM  
Is there some way to work Julian Cope into this discussion?
 
2010-09-13 11:46:33 PM  

real shaman: EMF at higher frequencies is used to cook food... at lower frequencies (AM broadcast) it can still burn a person.

Long term exposure at even lower frequencies could still be harmful.

Why do I expect that all the tests that show this to not be true have been paid for by power companies?


What? Allow me to speak as an Electrical Engineer: Electricity does not work that way. This is the same idea that the radio in your cell phone is going to give you brain cancer.

Electricity operates by ionizing electrons and moving them around. If sufficient energy exists, yes, the energy can knock apart a couple electrons from DNA causing a mutation, however the energy required to give an electron the escape velocity from its parent protons (ionizing radiation) is thousands of thousands of thousands of times more powerful than your radio device. Being worried that being too close to your power cord might give you cancer is similar to worrying if you travel to Iowa you might be too close and therefore drown in the Atlantic ocean. And being afraid to use a radio because it might eject the electrons from your DNA is akin to being afraid to use a car because it might eject you into outer space. The levels of magnitude involved are simply absurd.
 
2010-09-13 11:51:18 PM  
Unbelievable

Oh! WTF was that?
 
2010-09-13 11:54:55 PM  

Joelogon: Oh! WTF was that?


You confirming my "wait... isn't that..." hunch, that's what!
 
2010-09-14 12:15:13 AM  

Joelogon: Unbelievable

Oh! WTF was that?


You burden me with your questions, you'd have me tell no lies. You're always askin' what it's all about, don't listen to my replies. You say to me I don't talk enough, but when I do I'm a fool. These times I've spent, I've realized, I'm gonna shoot through, and leave you.
 
2010-09-14 12:24:25 AM  
Magnets, how the f*ck do they work?
 
2010-09-14 12:26:17 AM  

real shaman: EMF at higher frequencies is used to cook food... at lower frequencies (AM broadcast) it can still burn a person.

Long term exposure at even lower frequencies could still be harmful.

Why do I expect that all the tests that show this to not be true have been paid for by power companies?


And lasers can burn your skin or wreck your eyes. Extended exposure to sunlight can give you cancer. You'd better seal off any source of light because it's all in the same area of the spectrum!
 
2010-09-14 12:48:16 AM  
Her purple prose just gives her away.
 
2010-09-14 12:49:08 AM  

real shaman: Why do I expect that all the tests that show this to not be true have been paid for by power companies?


You sound liberal.
 
2010-09-14 12:50:03 AM  

Somacandra: Her purple prose just gives her away.


The things...

You say...

:-/
 
2010-09-14 1:03:20 AM  
For some reason, I'm craving crumbly cheese.
 
2010-09-14 1:15:42 AM  

Sim Tree: real shaman: EMF at higher frequencies is used to cook food... at lower frequencies (AM broadcast) it can still burn a person.

Long term exposure at even lower frequencies could still be harmful.

Why do I expect that all the tests that show this to not be true have been paid for by power companies?

What? Allow me to speak as an Electrical Engineer: Electricity does not work that way. This is the same idea that the radio in your cell phone is going to give you brain cancer.

Electricity operates by ionizing electrons and moving them around. If sufficient energy exists, yes, the energy can knock apart a couple electrons from DNA causing a mutation, however the energy required to give an electron the escape velocity from its parent protons (ionizing radiation) is thousands of thousands of thousands of times more powerful than your radio device. Being worried that being too close to your power cord might give you cancer is similar to worrying if you travel to Iowa you might be too close and therefore drown in the Atlantic ocean. And being afraid to use a radio because it might eject the electrons from your DNA is akin to being afraid to use a car because it might eject you into outer space. The levels of magnitude involved are simply absurd.


What i love is the idea that a couple hundred nT from a pair of headphones might give you cancer.

And thus the availability of headphones with high permeability metal shielding the wearer from the drivers. Yes, Ultrasone sells these. No, they did not respond when i asked them to clarify if they understood the way that sticking your head between two plates of high-permeability metal will amplify EM fields between the two plates. So you'll be protected from the small field coming off of your dynamic headphones but get a double dose from whatever else in your environment is throwing off fields (which are also harmless).

/I have a friend works with an 11T magnet every day
 
2010-09-14 4:59:32 AM  

mamoru: Somacandra: Her purple prose just gives her away.

The things...

You say...

:-/


so unbelievable
 
2010-09-14 6:09:37 AM  
Oh, now don't be trying to disabuse stupid people of their idiotic beliefs. This lady clearly is having her yellow bile humour altered by the magic rays, and as such it is throwing off her juju. Saying anything to the contrary clearly indicates that you're in the pay of the evil radiation producers.
 
2010-09-14 6:48:55 AM  
OH!
 
2010-09-14 6:49:31 AM  
I love the "professor" that they interviewed for the story. Magnetic fields cause cancer? I can't wait to hear her explain the mechanism...
 
2010-09-14 6:52:11 AM  

Sim Tree: real shaman: EMF at higher frequencies is used to cook food... at lower frequencies (AM broadcast) it can still burn a person.

Long term exposure at even lower frequencies could still be harmful.

Why do I expect that all the tests that show this to not be true have been paid for by power companies?

What? Allow me to speak as an Electrical Engineer: Electricity does not work that way. This is the same idea that the radio in your cell phone is going to give you brain cancer.

Electricity operates by ionizing electrons and moving them around. If sufficient energy exists, yes, the energy can knock apart a couple electrons from DNA causing a mutation, however the energy required to give an electron the escape velocity from its parent protons (ionizing radiation) is thousands of thousands of thousands of times more powerful than your radio device. Being worried that being too close to your power cord might give you cancer is similar to worrying if you travel to Iowa you might be too close and therefore drown in the Atlantic ocean. And being afraid to use a radio because it might eject the electrons from your DNA is akin to being afraid to use a car because it might eject you into outer space. The levels of magnitude involved are simply absurd.


Was about to post something similar until I scrolled down. I work with RF equipment every day and I knew a guy who would climb on vehicles and adjust live transmitting antennas without worry but was too afraid to keep his cell phone in his pocket. People will believe the weirdest things.
 
2010-09-14 6:58:39 AM  
If there's one thing I learned from watching Ghost Hunters, it's that electromagnetic radiation makes people very, very superstitious.
 
2010-09-14 7:01:44 AM  
I suspect that her humours are out of balance. If knew her astrological sign I could determine whether a vein needs to be opened or if a leech will suffice. If this fails, she will need to flagellate herself to show God she is sorry, because clearly she is a sinner.
 
2010-09-14 7:03:23 AM  

Sim Tree: real shaman: EMF at higher frequencies is used to cook food... at lower frequencies (AM broadcast) it can still burn a person.

Long term exposure at even lower frequencies could still be harmful.

Why do I expect that all the tests that show this to not be true have been paid for by power companies?

What? Allow me to speak as an Electrical Engineer: Electricity does not work that way. This is the same idea that the radio in your cell phone is going to give you brain cancer.

Electricity operates by ionizing electrons and moving them around. If sufficient energy exists, yes, the energy can knock apart a couple electrons from DNA causing a mutation, however the energy required to give an electron the escape velocity from its parent protons (ionizing radiation) is thousands of thousands of thousands of times more powerful than your radio device. Being worried that being too close to your power cord might give you cancer is similar to worrying if you travel to Iowa you might be too close and therefore drown in the Atlantic ocean. And being afraid to use a radio because it might eject the electrons from your DNA is akin to being afraid to use a car because it might eject you into outer space. The levels of magnitude involved are simply absurd.


Facts in a Fark thread? That's unpossible!
 
2010-09-14 7:04:32 AM  
Haha, a belated +1!
 
2010-09-14 7:06:04 AM  
But hey - it's free electricity.

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2010-09-14 7:06:10 AM  
Well, since shes worried about it, the first thing she should do is rip out all the wiring.
 
2010-09-14 7:10:38 AM  
Studies have been done on hundreds of thousands of electricians and concluded that their rate of cancer is exactly the same as that of the regular population. One wonders in this instance why the woman's children aren't showing the same effects, could it perhaps be something else in the house that's causing the problem? Or maybe she's one of the people who have problems with electromagnetic radiation, in which case she's basically screwed and it's still no problem for anyone else.
 
2010-09-14 7:11:19 AM  
found on the intarwebs:

Some medicines can cause hair loss. This type of hair loss improves when you stop taking the medicine. Medicines that can cause hair loss include blood thinners (also called anticoagulants), medicines used for gout, high blood pressure or heart problems, vitamin A (if too much is taken), birth control pills and antidepressants.

Certain infections can cause hair loss. Fungal infections of the scalp can cause hair loss in children. The infection is easily treated with antifungal medicines.

Finally, hair loss may occur as part of an underlying disease, such as lupus or diabetes. Since hair loss may be an early sign of a disease, it is important to find the cause so that it can be treated.

/Maybe she should see a doctor instead of worrying about wires outside her apartment.
 
2010-09-14 7:12:21 AM  

Kelvin-Helmholtz: I love the "professor" that they interviewed for the story. Magnetic fields cause cancer? I can't wait to hear her explain the mechanism...


Not leaning one way or the other on the science, but the mechanism isn't necessary to prove a causal relationship. It just helps.

There are dozens or hundreds of pharmaceuticals on the market for which we have little or no idea of the mechanism, yet they still work (some are snake oil, but not all).
 
2010-09-14 7:15:27 AM  

jaylectricity: Joelogon: Unbelievable

Oh! WTF was that?

You burden me with your questions, you'd have me tell no lies. You're always askin' what it's all about, don't listen to my replies. You say to me I don't talk enough, but when I do I'm a fool. These times I've spent, I've realized, I'm gonna shoot through, and leave you.


added to favorites.
 
2010-09-14 7:16:24 AM  

Ender's: OH!


came for this, the things, you say.
 
2010-09-14 7:18:49 AM  
Wait, watt?
 
2010-09-14 7:20:24 AM  
So does her computers and televison montors still work or are they going screwy too?

No, I didn't read the entire article. Why do people stay if they are so worried about their families? If it were an issue and I ws that worried about it, I'd move as soon as possible.
 
2010-09-14 7:21:26 AM  

real shaman: EMF at higher frequencies is used to cook food...


Heat at higher frequencies is used to cook food. Therefore, no amount of heat is safe, and we should all keep ourselves at absolute zero just to be sure.
 
2010-09-14 7:26:27 AM  
Ohm my what a story
 
2010-09-14 7:26:49 AM  
Don't bother me with your questions.
 
2010-09-14 7:27:38 AM  
golf clap
 
2010-09-14 7:28:46 AM  
Causation, how the fark does it work?
 
2010-09-14 7:32:40 AM  
Brilliant Subby!
 
2010-09-14 7:33:36 AM  
She's a dumbass. Why did she talk to the media? Now she'll never be able to sell that house. She should have kept it quiet, sold it and moved somewhere else. Then she'll see that her symptoms will be exactly the same and she was just crazy all along.
 
2010-09-14 7:36:48 AM  
I've spoken to someone much worse than this while working for Toronto Hydro customer service. She claims to be allergic to everything. Wont let us install a smart meter because she's allergic to the EM radiation the meter puts out. Only, what she refuses to acknowledge is that the new smart meters put out LESS EM than the old meter she already has installed.

She wont let any worker in her home unless they wear full hazmat suits (I'm not kidding) and screams bloody murder to the media if anyone questions her "condition" but because of her "condition" she will not seek medical attention for fear of death, so she can't provide any medical documentation to confirm her argument. I'd link to the article, but I can't find it.
 
2010-09-14 7:37:15 AM  
I remember when EMF first became quite big in the UK, and one of my dimmer mates tried to jump on the bandwagon by carving 'EFM' onto his skateboard. Good times.
 
2010-09-14 7:39:04 AM  
Poison can be ingested, therefore all food is poison. I love it when someone that probably can't pass a high school science class gets all technical. They never stop to wonder about the thousands of utility workers who are exposed to this "radiation". If that gets pointed out it is either A)conspiracy or B)I'm special (abnormally sensitive). I'll take C)an idiot.
 
2010-09-14 7:39:58 AM  

Sim Tree: real shaman: EMF at higher frequencies is used to cook food... at lower frequencies (AM broadcast) it can still burn a person.

Long term exposure at even lower frequencies could still be harmful.

Why do I expect that all the tests that show this to not be true have been paid for by power companies?

What? Allow me to speak as an Electrical Engineer: Electricity does not work that way. This is the same idea that the radio in your cell phone is going to give you brain cancer.

Electricity operates by ionizing electrons and moving them around. If sufficient energy exists, yes, the energy can knock apart a couple electrons from DNA causing a mutation, however the energy required to give an electron the escape velocity from its parent protons (ionizing radiation) is thousands of thousands of thousands of times more powerful than your radio device. Being worried that being too close to your power cord might give you cancer is similar to worrying if you travel to Iowa you might be too close and therefore drown in the Atlantic ocean. And being afraid to use a radio because it might eject the electrons from your DNA is akin to being afraid to use a car because it might eject you into outer space. The levels of magnitude involved are simply absurd.


Devil's advocate here. She's not talking about the power cord from her radio. It's a bunch of power lines outside the home. Depending on how much voltage (or current or whatever) the lines have, could that be enough to maybe do something?
 
2010-09-14 7:39:59 AM  
+1 Subby. I chuckled. then shouted "OHHhhh"
 
2010-09-14 7:41:15 AM  
I seem to remember a story one one of the members of EMF and how he was able to fit an entire satsuma inside his foreskin.

Weirdly, I'm sure I read about it in my younger sisters "Smash Hits" magazine.
 
2010-09-14 7:42:12 AM  

Gleeman: Causation, how the fark does it work?


Just a magnetic field. Magnetic fields excite the gases in fluorescent bulbs.

You could even put a transformer near anything like that and get power. The downside is...you really want to see whats on the other end of your 4:1 or 20:1 transformer when the lines you're near are 26900 volts - or more? (4:1 means 1:4 amps and 4:1 volts on the secondary. V:I (Volts:Amps) is inversely proportional.
 
2010-09-14 7:44:09 AM  
TFA:
Electromagnetic radiation concerns Newmarket family
Readings in some rooms exceeded 20 milligauss (unit of measurement of a magnetic field)
We get no break from constant radioactive energy here.


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2010-09-14 7:46:38 AM  

zekebullseye: She's a dumbass. Why did she talk to the media? Now she'll never be able to sell that house. She should have kept it quiet, sold it and moved somewhere else. Then she'll see that her symptoms will be exactly the same and she was just crazy all along.


You understand she's renting, right?

j0ndas: Studies have been done on hundreds of thousands of electricians and concluded that their rate of cancer is exactly the same as that of the regular population. One wonders in this instance why the woman's children aren't showing the same effects, could it perhaps be something else in the house that's causing the problem? Or maybe she's one of the people who have problems with electromagnetic radiation, in which case she's basically screwed and it's still no problem for anyone else.


You understand electricians usually work on electrical stuff when the power is off, right?

Kelvin-Helmholtz: professor


And your post-doctoral work was done in..?
 
2010-09-14 7:47:20 AM  

stickintehmud: Devil's advocate here. She's not talking about the power cord from her radio. It's a bunch of power lines outside the home. Depending on how much voltage (or current or whatever) the lines have, could that be enough to maybe do something?


Short answer: No.

Longer answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo​oooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

/inverse square law
 
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