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(Boston Globe)   Massachusetts may allow state colleges to rename themselves state universities so they don't feel so embarrassed and humiliated when they hang out with better schools   (boston.com) divider line
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2010-07-10 11:55:51 AM  
Wouldn't they be commonwealth colleges, since it is "The Commonwealth of Massachusetts"?
 
2010-07-10 2:51:43 PM  
I always thought that a "college" was a school that only offered one type of degree and that a "University" was a collective of more than one college. The reason we use the term "liberal arts college" is because they only offer BA's and not BS's or other degrees.
 
2010-07-10 2:54:33 PM  
Colleges offer up to bachelor's degrees. Universities offer master's/doctorates degrees. I think sometimes you have to offer a doctorate to be allowed to call yourself university.

Seems dumb letting schools just call themselves universities without offering the requisite degrees in return.
 
2010-07-10 3:01:05 PM  
True to their tag, Florida trumps Massachusetts:

Now community (weren't they once called "Junior"?) colleges are being renamed "State Colleges"

Manatee Community College (just google it) is now State College of Florida.
 
2010-07-10 3:04:14 PM  
A crap education by any other name is still a crap education (and visa-versa for a good eductaion). Names won't change that.

Doffuses
 
2010-07-10 3:10:34 PM  

Lumi: Colleges offer up to bachelor's degrees. Universities offer master's/doctorates degrees. I think sometimes you have to offer a doctorate to be allowed to call yourself university.

Seems dumb letting schools just call themselves universities without offering the requisite degrees in return.

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In general, Massachusetts public universities offer doctoral programs, while state colleges do not.

Just another way to further erode the value of a degree and drive up prices.
 
2010-07-10 3:11:24 PM  
I wonder how the students and alumni of Harvard College feel about this. Hmmmmmm.

I wonder if they feel inferior.

/Yes, Harvard College is a part -- the undergraduate, male part -- of Harvard University
 
2010-07-10 3:14:01 PM  

MemoryInMotion: True to their tag, Florida trumps Massachusetts:

Now community (weren't they once called "Junior"?) colleges are being renamed "State Colleges"

Manatee Community College (just google it) is now State College of Florida.


They offer >1 bachelor degrees hence the name change. MA just wants to change their name without adding the MS/PHD degrees.
 
2010-07-10 3:17:54 PM  
I thought the names were pegged to the highest level of degree that was offered:

- Community College: highest degree is an AA

- College: highest is a Bachelors

- University: highest is a Ph.D

So if they still don't offer a Ph.D program, how can they possibly be called a university? It's false advertising.

Can auto manufacturers start advertising their N/A FWD commuter shiatboxes 'turbo-charged RWD supercars' now?
 
2010-07-10 3:24:13 PM  

12349876: I always thought that a "college" was a school that only offered one type of degree and that a "University" was a collective of more than one college. The reason we use the term "liberal arts college" is because they only offer BA's and not BS's or other degrees.


Huh? If that's what you always thought, you've spent a long time being very confused.

Goodfella: I thought the names were pegged to the highest level of degree that was offered:

- Community College: highest degree is an AA

- College: highest is a Bachelors

- University: highest is a Ph.D

So if they still don't offer a Ph.D program, how can they possibly be called a university? It's false advertising.

Can auto manufacturers start advertising their N/A FWD commuter shiatboxes 'turbo-charged RWD supercars' now?


Where the hell did you people learn about higher education organization?

The distinction between college/university was lost decades ago. You think Boston College doesn't offer Ph.Ds? St. Mary's College?

Universities tend to (though they don't have to) be organized more hierarchically, with several colleges that operate with some varying degree of autonomy. Colleges are, by this very nature, usually smaller and have a flatter organizational structure.

But the idea that the name of an institution is related to the degrees it awards... not only is that not the case today, it wasn't the case 25 years ago, and I'm not sure it's ever been the case.
 
2010-07-10 3:24:43 PM  
Sweet, Fitchburg State University.
 
2010-07-10 3:25:15 PM  

Goodfella: So if they still don't offer a Ph.D program, how can they possibly be called a university? It's false advertising.


I still think that the "college" is a school that offers one type of degree. At least that's how my local state University does it. They have a College of Agriculture, a College of Medicine, a College of Fine Arts, a College of Engineering and several others and within those colleges you can get bachelors or graduate degrees and together they make the University.
 
2010-07-10 3:34:41 PM  
Yes, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Middlebury, Wellsley, Bowdoin, Pamona, Carleton, Davidson, Haverford, Claremont, Vassar, Grinnell, Smith, Hamilton, Colby, Oberlin, Colorado, Bates, and about 100 other "Colleges" CERTAINLY provide educations inferior to where subby went to school.

Moron.
 
2010-07-10 3:55:07 PM  
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2010-07-10 4:00:14 PM  
Reminds me of the preview of "Community"

Admissions guy: "What are you doing here, you have a law degree from Columbia?

Community College Applicant: "Yeah, now I need one from the U.S."
 
2010-07-10 4:01:54 PM  
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Not amused.

/me also not amused getting this pic from mises.
 
2010-07-10 4:18:58 PM  
Generally, if you offer a degree higher than a BA, BS, BFA, etc -- that is, masters or doctorate -- you may be called a university. There are many colleges that fit that description but, for whatever reason, have refrained from referring to themselves as a university (in most cases it's likely their branding).

I'm guessing that all of the Mass state colleges in question offer masters degrees, meaning that in most if not all other states they'd be referred to as universities. Whether that impacts costs remains to be seen.

In Minnesota, I'm pretty sure that all of the state universities are less expensive than UMN and they've been called state universities for quite a long time. The state colleges, part of the same system as the state universities, are less expensive and two-year (and, unlike Florida, are individually referred to as "so-and-so community/technical college", not "so-and-so state college"). They're collectively referred to as the state colleges.
 
2010-07-10 4:32:36 PM  
A few years ago, here in Louisiana, a number of small, ill-funded state colleges were rebranded as "universities" at the insistence of a group of state legislators who wanted the prestige of having a "university" in their district. Of course, it didn't change the essential nature of the schools any, which are still just local state institutions of slightly-higher education. They still can't compete with, say, most junior colleges in California.
 
2010-07-10 4:39:33 PM  

bronyaur1: Yes, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Middlebury, Wellsley, Bowdoin, Pamona, Carleton, Davidson, Haverford, Claremont, Vassar, Grinnell, Smith, Hamilton, Colby, Oberlin, Colorado, Bates, and about 100 other "Colleges" CERTAINLY provide educations inferior to where subby went to school.

Moron.


I've had just about enough of your Vassar-bashing, young lady!
 
2010-07-10 4:41:01 PM  
Was just inquiring to FARKers about the "college vs. university" thing a few days ago and whether it has any stigma attached one way or the other like it does in Canada, with Boston College being a prime example.
 
2010-07-10 4:45:39 PM  

MemoryInMotion: True to their tag, Florida trumps Massachusetts:

Now community (weren't they once called "Junior"?) colleges are being renamed "State Colleges"

Manatee Community College (just google it) is now State College of Florida.


They're not community colleges anymore because they offer bachelor's degrees. Or at least all the state colleges in Florida have to offer bachelor's degrees in order to call themselves state colleges.
 
2010-07-10 4:55:17 PM  
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State University College of Malibu Adjacent! The S.U.C.M.A. Cocks!

/Or the Long Island College of Math and Astrology
//The L.I.C.M.A. Beavers
 
2010-07-10 5:02:55 PM  
Why would going to a university instead of a college be more attractive to employers?
 
2010-07-10 5:04:02 PM  
I went to the Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts, and I don't think putting university in there will make it look any better.
 
2010-07-10 5:23:56 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: A crap education by any other name is still a crap education (and visa-versa for a good eductaion). Names won't change that.

Doffuses


Well done, sir. Well done.
 
2010-07-10 5:29:01 PM  

ds_4815: Was just inquiring to FARKers about the "college vs. university" thing a few days ago and whether it has any stigma attached one way or the other like it does in Canada, with Boston College being a prime example.


Nah. Accreditation and then rankings in your field of interest are more important, but school ranks matter much less for BS/BAs than they do for terminal graduate degrees.

/just took GMAT today, FWIW
//looking at Northeastern, Drexel, UMass-Amherst, and Babson. Yeah, heavy on potential Massholes there.
 
2010-07-10 5:42:10 PM  
I'm sure Harvard, Tufts, MIT, and WPI will be on board....
 
2010-07-10 5:45:03 PM  
Also, Holy Cross, Clark, BC and BU....

Did I miss any?
 
2010-07-10 6:01:09 PM  
eh, we already done done this in the midwest...
 
2010-07-10 6:01:19 PM  

rcain: This is the age of "enlightened" self-entitlement, where we're all special, and that goes for schools too.


Ugh. This has nothing to do with the hate-boner you are stroking for all things liberal.

It's simply a case of branding a product. "University" sounds better than "college", so they want to go with that to attract more students. It's just capitalism at work.

The local tech school is a step behind, changing from "Madison Area Technical College" to "Madison College" for the same reason.
 
2010-07-10 6:16:09 PM  
I graduated from Fresno State College. It is now called Fresno State University!! Can I haz do over??
 
2010-07-10 6:28:56 PM  
Gold plated turds are still turds.
 
2010-07-10 6:52:28 PM  
So what, if I go to Cal Tech, I can only get an associates degree? It is just a tech. school after all, like where flunkies learn to fix cars.
 
2010-07-10 6:55:25 PM  
status creep is so common i'm surprised anyone bothers to point it out anymore
 
2010-07-10 7:16:53 PM  
So what's an Institute?

/graduated from Pratt with my MLS.
 
2010-07-10 7:44:38 PM  

saintstryfe: So what's an Institute?

/graduated from Pratt with my MLS.


DeVry, or

MIT.
 
2010-07-10 7:47:26 PM  
Massachusetts Institute of Trolling (MIT) is still up for grabs.
 
2010-07-10 7:51:52 PM  
I had a friend that went to a private college. Paid $40k a year and got a B.A. in History. He couldn't find a job during a good economy when my public college friends landed great jobs in a recession. Private colleges are a waste of money unless you're so rich that an extra $100k doesn't matter.
 
2010-07-10 8:41:24 PM  

wolvernova: I had a friend that went to a private college. Paid $40k a year and got a B.A. in History. He couldn't find a job during a good economy when my public college friends landed great jobs in a recession. Private colleges are a waste of money unless you're so rich that an extra $100k doesn't matter.


Of course, one anecdote is equal to a full set of systematic data. After all, the only people that went to private colleges or public universities are the three or four people you know. Clearly your economic analysis of the situation is the definitive word on the topic.
 
2010-07-10 9:46:03 PM  

bronyaur1: Of course, one anecdote is equal to a full set of systematic data. After all, the only people that went to private colleges or public universities are the three or four people you know. Clearly your economic analysis of the situation is the definitive word on the topic.


He was the one high school friend that went to private school. Everyone else went public and found a job in 2001. Just saying.

rcain: Or maybe ... just maybe mind you, that having a BA in History had a little something to do with it.


Obviously that had something to do with it. He was from a rich family and should have either studied something hard or gone to a type of trade school. Probably would have made more money then than he does now.

rcain: Then again, I took 3 quarters of Community College and pull in about 200k a year, so maybe you're on to something


College is overplayed and overhyped. Way too many people are getting degrees, partly fueled by easy lending (like housing). It's not necessary for most jobs.
 
2010-07-10 10:05:05 PM  

wolvernova: It's not necessary for most jobs.


You have no idea how ill-prepared kids are coming out of high school. They're barely literate. We college professors now do what high school teachers used to.

That's not the fault of the teachers, mind you. It's the fault of reliance on standardized testing.
 
2010-07-10 10:53:47 PM  
Feh. I'm a graduate of the State University of New York College at New Paltz, so I'm way more title-bloated than you Masshats.
 
2010-07-10 11:03:11 PM  

bubbaprog: You have no idea how ill-prepared kids are coming out of high school. They're barely literate. We college professors now do what high school teachers used to.

That's not the fault of the teachers, mind you. It's the fault of reliance on standardized testing.


Teachers unions and standardized test score thresholds, which are very related.
 
2010-07-11 9:44:22 AM  
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Oh hai guys, wut's going on?
 
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