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2010-07-08 8:57:27 AM  
Interesting.

Haunting music.

I didn't know that the Brits had nuked the US, though.
 
2010-07-08 9:07:07 AM  
It is truly amazing we have survived...
 
2010-07-08 9:18:07 AM  
I dunno....was bored within seconds.
 
2010-07-08 9:18:34 AM  
Only 2 really mattered.
 
2010-07-08 9:21:08 AM  

Oldiron_79: Only 2 really mattered.


thread over
 
2010-07-08 9:22:45 AM  
Repeat?
 
2010-07-08 9:24:00 AM  

real shaman: It is truly amazing we have survived...


Animals could be bred and slaughtered...
 
2010-07-08 9:24:54 AM  
We'll meet again,
don't know where,
don't know when....
 
2010-07-08 9:26:03 AM  

Oldiron_79: Only 2 really mattered.


I'd say three had significance so far.

1) Hiroshima
2) Nagasaki
3) First Soviet weapons test (US monopoly on nuclear weapons is over)
 
2010-07-08 9:26:11 AM  
tl;dw
 
2010-07-08 9:26:44 AM  
That games graphics suck.
 
2010-07-08 9:28:00 AM  
Isn't it ironic that the nation most concerned with stopping other countries from having nukes, the USA, is the only country to have ever deployed the weapons against another sovereign nation?
 
2010-07-08 9:28:19 AM  

MelGoesOnTour: bore


Ya seen one nuclear war, ya seen them all.
 
2010-07-08 9:29:15 AM  

Flab: I didn't know that the Brits had nuked the US, though.


Yes. Records indicate that we hit 42°19′53″ N, 83°2′45″ W. I'm not sure why nobody's yet noticed?
 
2010-07-08 9:29:42 AM  
"Yes Sir, drop that Farker, twice!"
 
2010-07-08 9:29:56 AM  

Petulant Dwarf: Isn't it ironic that the nation most concerned with stopping other countries from having nukes, the USA, is the only country to have ever deployed the weapons against another sovereign nation?


Maybe we're the only ones that truly understand the consequences of doing so.
 
2010-07-08 9:30:18 AM  
Dayum, remind me to never visit the western US.
 
2010-07-08 9:30:33 AM  
USA! USA! We're number one! We're number one! We are so smart. SMRT!
 
2010-07-08 9:31:00 AM  
The beeps were hell on my speakers once they started in earnest.

Also, you'd think there'd have come a point after the first couple hundred in the US where we decided we'd really learned about all we were going to from setting these off.
 
2010-07-08 9:31:11 AM  
Looks like we are winning!

up to now anyway.
 
2010-07-08 9:31:26 AM  

Molavian: Maybe we're the only ones that truly understand the consequences of doing so.


I'm pretty sure Japan has an inkling.
 
2010-07-08 9:31:52 AM  
Greetings Professor Falken.
Would you like to play a game?
 
2010-07-08 9:32:03 AM  

Petulant Dwarf: Isn't it ironic that the nation most concerned with stopping other countries from having nukes, the USA, is the only country to have ever deployed the weapons against another sovereign nation?


The difference between now and then is MAD. I'm deliberately avoiding the whole argument over whether or not the nuking of Japan was or wasn't a good idea - but the fact is when the US dropped the bomb there wasn't any catastrophic danger of the world coming to an end.

Nowadays with the arsenal available to the major powers, the potential of a nuclear apocalypse is out there, and as such people are more concerned about the end of the world than they could have possibly been in 1945. In 1945 it was simply a more efficient - and terrifying - way of destroying whole cities than firebombing.
 
2010-07-08 9:32:54 AM  
Am I missing something? Is this supposed to be a video or something because nothing's happening on my screen and I couldn't find anything in the link to the blog post that they were referencing.
 
2010-07-08 9:33:02 AM  
That was more interesting than expected.
 
2010-07-08 9:33:08 AM  
THE-ONLY-WINNING-MOVE-IS-NOT-TO-PLAY

/still love nukes
//awesome coolness
 
2010-07-08 9:34:04 AM  

jack21221: Dayum, remind me to never visit the western US.


Yeh uhm...holy shiat!

Is this why Sharon Angle is so farking crazy?
 
2010-07-08 9:34:09 AM  
and of course the japanese creator zooms in on the two at the start. suck it. thats what you get for pearl harbor.
 
2010-07-08 9:35:18 AM  

Flab: Haunting music.


I was expecting Alcatrazz "Hiroshima Mon Amour". Yngwie came out of nowhere with the most badass rock guitar solo I had ever heard.
 
2010-07-08 9:35:29 AM  

ripple123: and of course the japanese creator zooms in on the two at the start. suck it. thats what you get for pearl harbor.


Ummm, that was the Germans
 
2010-07-08 9:35:53 AM  
Now we are all sons of biatches.
 
2010-07-08 9:36:31 AM  
All that made me do was want to fire up 'Defcon' again.
 
2010-07-08 9:36:57 AM  
tdpatriots12: Oldiron_79: Only 2 really mattered.

I'd say three had significance so far.

1) Hiroshima
2) Nagasaki
3) First Soviet weapons test (US monopoly on nuclear weapons is over)


Well maybe 3 did matter, but I have some lovely pics of Hiroshima and Nagasaki from Grandpa, who was one of the first Americans in like Hours after the Jap surrender was signed, and Nagasaki was still smoldering. Those pics cannot be unseen.
 
2010-07-08 9:37:15 AM  

Tricky Chicken: ripple123: and of course the japanese creator zooms in on the two at the start. suck it. thats what you get for pearl harbor.

Ummm, that was the Germans


He's right, I remember some guy in college saying the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
 
2010-07-08 9:37:18 AM  
It looks like both the USSR and the USA bombed the hell out of themsevles. I wonder if, in the long run, that will be worse than an actual war.

England tested in Australia and the US and France tested in Algeria (or close to it). These things are new to me.
 
2010-07-08 9:38:02 AM  

Thunderpipes: "Yes Sir, drop that Farker, twice!"


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/approves
 
2010-07-08 9:38:29 AM  
Nuclear Launch Detected...
 
2010-07-08 9:38:34 AM  
USA: New High Score!

But seriously, I didn't realize we have been consistently testing nukes still. As recently as 91'.
 
2010-07-08 9:38:41 AM  

Tricky Chicken: ripple123: and of course the japanese creator zooms in on the two at the start. suck it. thats what you get for pearl harbor.

Ummm, that was the Germans


I thought it was the Australians?

/G'Day, mate!
 
2010-07-08 9:39:19 AM  

H31N0US: Yngwie came out of nowhere with the most badass rock guitar solo I had ever heard.


And drifted right back into obscurity because the only people who cared about his wanking were other guitar players....
 
2010-07-08 9:39:33 AM  

Pope Larry II: It looks like both the USSR and the USA bombed the hell out of themsevles. I wonder if, in the long run, that will be worse than an actual war.

England tested in Australia and the US and France tested in Algeria (or close to it). These things are new to me.


Bikini Atoll, I believe
 
2010-07-08 9:40:40 AM  
How do you submit score?
 
2010-07-08 9:40:41 AM  

Flab: I didn't know that the Brits had nuked the US, though.


Me either. It's time to take out the Queen!!!
 
2010-07-08 9:40:51 AM  
penguinfark: Tricky Chicken: ripple123: and of course the japanese creator zooms in on the two at the start. suck it. thats what you get for pearl harbor.

Ummm, that was the Germans

I thought it was the Australians?

/G'Day, mate!


Don't be silly, it was the Spanish Inquisition. Nobody ever expects them.
 
2010-07-08 9:41:03 AM  
I thought it was a rather easy game of Simon until the 60s arrived. Then it got tough to keep up.
 
2010-07-08 9:41:48 AM  
The atomic bomb tests in New Mexico and Nevada have left some pretty sizeable chunks of land unusable. Then again, it was also in the middle of the desert, so it was unusable anyway.

The biggest problems from the stateside nuke tests in the 50s turned out not to be anywhere near the area in which the nukes were actually tested. There's a huge incidence of birth defects and other developmental disabilities in the midwest for the years during and following the tests that can be directly tied to them.

I think most of the cows spewing out the radioactive milk are dead now though.
 
2010-07-08 9:42:16 AM  
Operation starfish prime
/I dont see those tests on here
//Teh google
 
2010-07-08 9:42:18 AM  
Yay! We win!! USA! USA! USA!
 
2010-07-08 9:42:18 AM  
Alphanumeric
 
2010-07-08 9:42:39 AM  
Would have been better if he had used google earth.
 
2010-07-08 9:43:09 AM  
I like how his world map has Japan at the center of the world.

Nationalist douchbaggery, even at a subliminal level, exists everywhere.
 
2010-07-08 9:43:35 AM  
How is there anything left of the US Southwest?!?!?
 
2010-07-08 9:43:39 AM  

Schlock: Pope Larry II: It looks like both the USSR and the USA bombed the hell out of themsevles. I wonder if, in the long run, that will be worse than an actual war.

England tested in Australia and the US and France tested in Algeria (or close to it). These things are new to me.

Bikini Atoll, I believe


I prefer No Bikini Atoll.
 
2010-07-08 9:44:09 AM  
MelGoesOnTour Quote 2010-07-08 09:18:07 AM
I dunno....was bored within seconds.


Oldiron_79 Quote 2010-07-08 09:18:34 AM
Only 2 really mattered.


'This' to both.

I'm sick of 'Oooooooooooh! Nukes are BAD!!!' Yeah, especially when acquired by rogue nations such as Iran and NKorea.
 
2010-07-08 9:44:21 AM  

Pope Larry II: It looks like both the USSR and the USA bombed the hell out of themsevles. I wonder if, in the long run, that will be worse than an actual war.

England tested in Australia and the US and France tested in Algeria (or close to it). These things are new to me.


Hah, never thought of it that way.

US: Don't you DARE bomb us, like this, BOOM!
USSR: We could though, like this, BOOM!
US: You bastards, that was threatening, but we can respond, like this! BOOM!
USSR: Touche, but now watch this! BOOM!
US: How bout this! BOOM!
USSR: No way! quit it! BOOM!
UK: Hey guys, just fyi, BOOM!
 
2010-07-08 9:44:35 AM  
I saw one US test that looked like it took place in Mississippi or Alabama. Where was that at?
 
2010-07-08 9:44:38 AM  
And no, starfish prime is NOT a gay Autobot.
 
2010-07-08 9:44:40 AM  

signine: The atomic bomb tests in New Mexico and Nevada have left some pretty sizeable chunks of land unusable. Then again, it was also in the middle of the desert, so it was unusable anyway.

The biggest problems from the stateside nuke tests in the 50s turned out not to be anywhere near the area in which the nukes were actually tested. There's a huge incidence of birth defects and other developmental disabilities in the midwest for the years during and following the tests that can be directly tied to them.

I think most of the cows spewing out the radioactive milk are dead now though.


I had read recently that a lot of the groundwater contaminated by the tests is slowly moving toward inhabited areas, as well
 
2010-07-08 9:44:41 AM  

DslainteC: I thought it was a rather easy game of Simon until the 60s arrived. Then it got tough to keep up.


1968 was smokin--felt more like Starship Troopers. I guess the whole planet is redneck. As a species we just like to blow shiat up.
 
2010-07-08 9:45:17 AM  
reminded me of Philip Glass.
 
2010-07-08 9:46:12 AM  
Two things: I didn't realize that the UK had tested nukes on US soil (seriously... you have all of Australia to use) and, I didn't know France had that many tests, either. At least they used the remote South Pacific.
 
2010-07-08 9:47:47 AM  
France really had a boner for the South Pacific. Seems logistically inconvenient. What's the deal, were they just trying to find the place furthest away?
 
2010-07-08 9:47:59 AM  
No wonder every animal in Australia is deadly, the Brits nuked the crap out of that island...
 
2010-07-08 9:48:27 AM  
loki see loki do: I like how his world map has Japan at the center of the world.

Nationalist douchbaggery, even at a subliminal level, exists everywhere.


Maps made in Europe have Europe as center America to left and Asia to right

Maps made in US/Canada Have America in center, Europe to right, Asia to left.

Maps made in Asia have Asia in center , America to right, Europe to left.
 
2010-07-08 9:48:35 AM  
Did anyone ever pass the test?

Everyone kept testing, they kept blowing up....

So was the point besides who could blow up more and wreck more land?

Both Bikini Atoll and Enewetak Atoll remain unihabitable and the people of the Marshall Islands are forced to continue to live with Kwajelain Atoll as target practice for US missles from Vandenburg Air Force Base in California. They just fired one last week into that lagoon.

When is the test over? When does this war end?
 
2010-07-08 9:49:25 AM  
USA! USA! USA!

 
2010-07-08 9:49:25 AM  
Who would have guessed that some one could make nuclear explosions so damn boring.
 
2010-07-08 9:49:28 AM  

ripple123: and of course the japanese creator zooms in on the two at the start. suck it. thats what you get for pearl harbor.


And the Rape of Nanking. And the Bataan Death March.
 
2010-07-08 9:49:39 AM  

McManus_brothers: Two things: I didn't realize that the UK had tested nukes on US soil (seriously... you have all of Australia to use) and, I didn't know France had that many tests, either. At least they used the remote South Pacific.


Well, the remote South Pacific and Africa...
 
2010-07-08 9:50:34 AM  

Flab: I didn't know that the Brits had nuked the US, though.


I thought that was interesting. The UK did their testing in Australia, in the Pacific and in the US. Nowhere near their own country. They were the smart ones.
 
2010-07-08 9:51:50 AM  

dittybopper: Schlock: Pope Larry II: It looks like both the USSR and the USA bombed the hell out of themsevles. I wonder if, in the long run, that will be worse than an actual war.

England tested in Australia and the US and France tested in Algeria (or close to it). These things are new to me.

Bikini Atoll, I believe

I prefer No Bikini Atoll.


I believe I am missing some key punctuation...let's try that again.

UK tested in Australia and the US. France tested in Algeria.
 
2010-07-08 9:52:24 AM  

bennybub: USA! USA! We're number one! We're number one! We are so smart. SMRT!


I don't know about that. You would think that if we were so smart we wouldn't have needed over 1000 tests...
 
2010-07-08 9:52:45 AM  
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/hotter than an H-Bomb
 
2010-07-08 9:52:53 AM  

TheTeethoftheTiger: US: Don't you DARE bomb us, like this, BOOM!
USSR: We could though, like this, BOOM!
US: You bastards, that was threatening, but we can respond, like this! BOOM!
USSR: Touche, but now watch this! BOOM!
US: How bout this! BOOM!
USSR: No way! quit it! BOOM!
UK: Oh thank you for the gift, Yanks. We appreciate allowing us to BBBOOOOOMMMM...oh dear. I think we just blew it up. Might you spare another?
Australia: WTF WAS THAT? You can't just go around blowing up..
UK: BOOOOOMMMMM Hee hee, this is jolly good fun. Give us another.
Australia: Seriously this is really uncool...


FTFY
 
2010-07-08 9:53:03 AM  
Shame it only goes up to 1998, it misses the Vindaloo I had last night.
 
2010-07-08 9:53:29 AM  

sojournee: When does this war end?


2012
 
2010-07-08 9:53:38 AM  

loki see loki do: I like how his world map has Japan at the center of the world.

Nationalist douchbaggery, even at a subliminal level, exists everywhere.


The World is round, there is no start or finish line. Should every map have your country in the middle?
 
2010-07-08 9:53:39 AM  
Tricky Chicken Quote 2010-07-08 09:35:29 AM
ripple123: and of course the japanese creator zooms in on the two at the start. suck it. thats what you get for pearl harbor.

Ummm, that was the ze Germans

ftfy
 
2010-07-08 9:54:50 AM  

Pope Larry II: dittybopper: Schlock: Pope Larry II: It looks like both the USSR and the USA bombed the hell out of themsevles. I wonder if, in the long run, that will be worse than an actual war.

England tested in Australia and the US and France tested in Algeria (or close to it). These things are new to me.

Bikini Atoll, I believe

I prefer No Bikini Atoll.

I believe I am missing some key punctuation...let's try that again.

UK tested in Australia and the US. France tested in Algeria.


And I was saying that they tested at a place called Bikini Atoll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini_Atoll

But apparently France was also using Polynesia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#Pa​cific_exp e riments_center_.281966.E2.80.931996.29
 
2010-07-08 9:54:54 AM  

TheTeethoftheTiger: USA: New High Score!

But seriously, I didn't realize we have been consistently testing nukes still. As recently as 91'.



It might be a little weird to think about, but '91 was almost 20 years ago... That's not really all that recent.

/feeling old now
 
2010-07-08 9:55:00 AM  

loki see loki do: I like how his world map has Japan at the center of the world.

Nationalist douchbaggery, even at a subliminal level, exists everywhere.


Notice how the Atlantic is cut out? And how low the equator is? The map centered and cropped so as to maximize the usable screen space. Douchebag.
 
2010-07-08 9:56:13 AM  
Cool?
Seems kind of scary to me.
 
2010-07-08 9:56:54 AM  

bishop6042: I saw one US test that looked like it took place in Mississippi or Alabama. Where was that at?


I can't figure out where those ones were happening either
 
2010-07-08 9:57:38 AM  
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2010-07-08 9:58:27 AM  
that's the scariest game of Simon you'll ever see.
 
2010-07-08 9:59:26 AM  

Schlock: bishop6042: I saw one US test that looked like it took place in Mississippi or Alabama. Where was that at?

I can't figure out where those ones were happening either


Hattiesburg, MS

/Favre
 
2010-07-08 10:00:01 AM  

penguinfark: Tricky Chicken: ripple123: and of course the japanese creator zooms in on the two at the start. suck it. thats what you get for pearl harbor.

Ummm, that was the Germans

I thought it was the Australians?

/G'Day, mate!


You mean Austria, Australia is land locked. Why would they bomb
Peal Harbor?
 
2010-07-08 10:01:28 AM  
It was like Risk or Axis and Allies...Except with nukes! Cool.
 
2010-07-08 10:01:31 AM  
Pretty humbling to think that the largest man made explosion ever was only 50 megatons or so. Puny compared to a good sized volcanic eruption and absoutely dwarfed by asteroid impacts such as the Chixulub event which I believe was 150 million megatons. This is why I chuckle when people get all "we all would die from a nuclear war" crap. Pinprick would be the end result.

Tzar Bomba (new window)
 
2010-07-08 10:01:51 AM  
Good god...does the southwest US just glow constantly?
 
2010-07-08 10:02:52 AM  

Cheesus: Schlock: bishop6042: I saw one US test that looked like it took place in Mississippi or Alabama. Where was that at?

I can't figure out where those ones were happening either

Hattiesburg, MS

/Favre


Interesting, thank you. I assume the point of it was to determine whether other countries were covertly doing underground nuclear tests
 
2010-07-08 10:02:56 AM  
I'm just wondering where the people claiming "maps in america show america in the center" live. While I remember some maps like that (usually they reference something about the US), most of the maps I see have europe in the center, and the US to the right and Hawaii barely even on the map.
 
2010-07-08 10:03:37 AM  
That is 2053 nuclear explosions and the world survived. Add to that one farktacularly irresponsible reactor accident and the world survived. Perhaps the hysteria surrounding nuclear energy is a bit overblown?
 
2010-07-08 10:03:44 AM  
left....LEFT

I saw the mistype right as I clicked add comment :(
 
2010-07-08 10:04:39 AM  

thetubameister: How is there anything left of the US Southwest?!?!?


It's really, really big.
 
2010-07-08 10:04:41 AM  
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Approves.

/hot, like a MIRV
 
2010-07-08 10:04:42 AM  
bishop6042: I saw one US test that looked like it took place in Mississippi or Alabama. Where was that at?

According to wikipedia, near Hattiesburg, Mississippi.
 
2010-07-08 10:05:26 AM  

Flab: Interesting.

Haunting music.

I didn't know that the Brits had nuked the US, though.


After the British lost their initial testing grounds in Australia, probably because they told them to fark off (I guess the wildlife down there is bad enough without having any nuclear mutant variations), the US started letting them use our testing grounds.

Schlock:
Also, you'd think there'd have come a point after the first couple hundred in the US where we decided we'd really learned about all we were going to from setting these off.


That was the dick swinging contest between the US and the USSR.
 
2010-07-08 10:05:28 AM  
Am I the only one here that was saddened watching this video? I knew there was a lot of nuclear tests in the 60's, but dear lord I never realized the scope.
 
2010-07-08 10:05:28 AM  

Cheesus: Schlock: bishop6042: I saw one US test that looked like it took place in Mississippi or Alabama. Where was that at?

I can't figure out where those ones were happening either

Hattiesburg, MS

/Favre


It all makes perfect sense now. All those Northerners drive right by there to Florida. Finally an explanation for the Florida Tag.


Interesting project. Not meant to test the bombs really, but to test a means of identification of a bomb blast versus say an earthquake. Thanks Cheesus.
 
2010-07-08 10:06:26 AM  

Thunderpipes: Pretty humbling to think that the largest man made explosion ever was only 50 megatons or so. Puny compared to a good sized volcanic eruption and absoutely dwarfed by asteroid impacts such as the Chixulub event which I believe was 150 million megatons. This is why I chuckle when people get all "we all would die from a nuclear war" crap. Pinprick would be the end result.

Tzar Bomba (new window)


I don't know if puny is the word, as the link indicates that it's 1/4 the presumed yield of Krakatoa. The thing is, we have more than 4 of them, and the effects go well beyond that of the initial blast.
 
2010-07-08 10:06:41 AM  
Japan 1945
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Only it's Tokyo. Not a lot different to Hiroshima, is it?

moonofalabama.orgView Full Size
 
2010-07-08 10:07:26 AM  

dittybopper: Schlock: Bikini Atoll, I believe

I prefer No Bikini Atoll.


Awesome.
 
2010-07-08 10:07:34 AM  

rwfan: That is 2053 nuclear explosions and the world survived. Add to that one farktacularly irresponsible reactor accident and the world survived. Perhaps the hysteria surrounding nuclear energy is a bit overblown?


I hope you know, those 2053 explosions didn't all happen at the same time, like they would in a nuclear war...
 
2010-07-08 10:09:20 AM  

loki see loki do: I like how his world map has Japan at the center of the world.

Nationalist douchbaggery, even at a subliminal level, exists everywhere.


I think that's your own interpretation of it. To me it looked more like it was centered for the pacific ocean, since there were so many bombs tested there.
 
2010-07-08 10:09:56 AM  

rwfan: That is 2053 nuclear explosions and the world survived. Add to that one farktacularly irresponsible reactor accident and the world survived. Perhaps the hysteria surrounding nuclear energy is a bit overblown?


Nah...that's 2053 explosions over 60 years. Do that many in a day and see what happens.
 
2010-07-08 10:10:41 AM  

QU!RK1019:
Notice how the Atlantic is cut out? And how low the equator is? The map centered and cropped so as to maximize the usable screen space. Douchebag.


Just saying, it hadn't occurred to me that everyone does this. Only interesting that we all have a self-centered view of the world around us.

/sorry to sound douchebaggy
 
2010-07-08 10:10:51 AM  
I started with the volume low, and it was boring. When I realized there was a musical soundtrack, I cranked it up to 11. It got suddenly cool. Then boring again. Nevertheless, it accomplished the artist's goal: made me think about the insanity of nukes (and be bored?)...
 
2010-07-08 10:11:05 AM  
I was surprised at the number of tests conducted by the French.

Also, if you go to Mercury NV on Google Maps satellite view then go NNW, you will find the US test site craters. Someone had sent me a link to a 10 minute video of underground tests and I'll be damned if I can find it now.
 
2010-07-08 10:12:00 AM  
ihatedumbpeople: Nah...that's 2053 explosions over 60 years. Do that many in a day and see what happens.

You'd probably have to also move a couple of them from the middle of nowhere to say... cities of a few million people.
 
2010-07-08 10:12:13 AM  

ihatedumbpeople: Nah...that's 2053 explosions over 60 years. Do that many in a day and see what happens.


...and on the highest populated cities.
 
2010-07-08 10:12:29 AM  

Schlock: Thunderpipes: Pretty humbling to think that the largest man made explosion ever was only 50 megatons or so. Puny compared to a good sized volcanic eruption and absoutely dwarfed by asteroid impacts such as the Chixulub event which I believe was 150 million megatons. This is why I chuckle when people get all "we all would die from a nuclear war" crap. Pinprick would be the end result.

Tzar Bomba (new window)

I don't know if puny is the word, as the link indicates that it's 1/4 the presumed yield of Krakatoa. The thing is, we have more than 4 of them, and the effects go well beyond that of the initial blast.


Krakatoa is not a particularly large volcanic event. Have to remember we humans think in such incredibly small time fragments. It is just a matter of when a really large even occurs again. Yellowstone for instance, is really just one ginormous volcano waiting to happen. There was an eruption in what is now Russia long ago that lasted a million years or more.

We think a hurricane is a major disaster, or the Haiti earthquake? Nothing compared to what will happen eventually. We could launch every single nuke we had, and many people would die. Earth, animals, and people would recover and go on quite fine. Would not even take as long as people think.
 
2010-07-08 10:12:53 AM  
Left off the mystery nuke in 1979 at Vela - likely a joint Israeli/South African bomb.
 
2010-07-08 10:12:54 AM  

OrelupM: I'm just wondering where the people claiming "maps in america show america in the center" live. While I remember some maps like that (usually they reference something about the US), most of the maps I see have europe in the center, and the US to the right and Hawaii barely even on the map.


Yeah, most of the maps I've seen here in the US use the Pacific as the left and right edges, with North and South America on the left and the rest on the right, with the center of the map probably being somewhere in the Middle East or the Mediterranean.
 
2010-07-08 10:13:07 AM  
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/really no one thought of pong when they watched that??
 
2010-07-08 10:13:49 AM  
Dancin_In_Anson: Also, if you go to Mercury NV on Google Maps satellite view then go NNW, you will find the US test site craters.

This is the main reason for the wackos saying the Moon landings were filmed at area 51 (just a few steps north east of the NTS.
 
2010-07-08 10:13:55 AM  

tdpatriots12: Oldiron_79: Only 2 really mattered.

I'd say three had significance so far.

1) Hiroshima
2) Nagasaki
3) First Soviet weapons test (US monopoly on nuclear weapons is over)


India, Pakistan nukes are important since they are most likely to get used right now. And the Israeli nuke has all kinds of significance.
 
2010-07-08 10:13:56 AM  
FTFA:
Since (the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki), despite more than 2,000 other tests and billions of dollars having been spent on their development, no nuclear warheads have been used in anger used out of necessity.

FTFY. To imply the USA bombed Japan "out of anger" is a gross misrepresentation of history.
 
2010-07-08 10:14:08 AM  
Why I also laugh at people who think the Gulf oil spill is some world changing event. In the overall scheme of things, it is an absolute zero impact event.
 
2010-07-08 10:15:26 AM  

PatientZero: rwfan: That is 2053 nuclear explosions and the world survived. Add to that one farktacularly irresponsible reactor accident and the world survived. Perhaps the hysteria surrounding nuclear energy is a bit overblown?

I hope you know, those 2053 explosions didn't all happen at the same time, like they would in a nuclear war...


?! I tried to highlight to help with reading comprehension. Let me know if you need more help.
 
2010-07-08 10:15:43 AM  
There's an historical legend that Japan successfully tested an atomic bomb in the final days of WWII. Here's an article about it written by an American journalist.

http://www.reformation.org/atlanta-constitution.html
 
2010-07-08 10:15:57 AM  
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2010-07-08 10:16:16 AM  
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"Ah geeze, not this sh*t again."

/I didn't realize we had tested that many
//kinda interesting, yet kinda boring
 
2010-07-08 10:16:33 AM  
After seeing that I am amazed that the southwestern US isn't filled with horrible mutant freaks.
 
2010-07-08 10:17:34 AM  

Ninja Wicked: After seeing that I am amazed that the southwestern US isn't filled with horrible mutant freaks.


Yeah, so - been paying attention to Arizona lately?
 
2010-07-08 10:18:09 AM  

Flab: ihatedumbpeople: Nah...that's 2053 explosions over 60 years. Do that many in a day and see what happens.

You'd probably have to also move a couple of them from the middle of nowhere to say... cities of a few million people.


Heck...that amount of nukes at once you wouldn't even have to hit major cities to do a lot of harm. Fallout, radiation and the dust kicked into teh atmosphere may kill as many people, though it'll be a slower crappier death.
 
2010-07-08 10:18:20 AM  

thetubameister: How is there anything left of the US Southwest?!?!?


The NTS is about 680 square miles. Most of the shots took place in a relatively small area, no bigger than metro NYC...something like that. Other tests were Ploughshares tests in northern New Mexico and Western Colorado (for example) where they were experimenting to see if natural gas production could be enhanced using atomic bombs to fracture rock strata (it didn't work).

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So, it's all very, very scary if you don't put it in perspective and realize that most of the radiation (~99%) was contained underground, and that living in the Southwestern U.S. is a daily radiation bath anyway - just living in Colorado exposes one to about 200 millirems/year (high altitude). IOW, the menace of all of the testing is and was overblown. Yes, some of the early atmospheric tests were bad, and yes, there's no good reason to keep setting the damned things off, but no, the testing done to date has not poisoned vast stretches of the landscape. If I were you, I'd be far more worried about an x-ray or MRI.

Think and find out, don't let the hand-wringers frighten you.

Is a radiation dose of 360 millirem in a year harmful?

No. No effects have ever been observed at doses below 5,000 millirem delivered over a one year period. In fact, effects seen when humans are exposed to 100,000 millirem over a short time period are temporary and reversible. It takes a short-term dose of well over 500,000 millirem to cause a fatality.
(new window)
 
2010-07-08 10:18:37 AM  

Ninja Wicked: After seeing that I am amazed that the southwestern US isn't filled with horrible mutant freaks.


read the Arizona newspapers!
 
2010-07-08 10:18:45 AM  

Thunderpipes: Why I also laugh at people who think the Gulf oil spill is some world changing event. In the overall scheme of things, it is an absolute zero impact event.


Agreed, but it's not really part of human nature to think of things on a scale long beyond our own lifespans, and I don't really think you can fault people for that.
 
2010-07-08 10:19:03 AM  

Ninja Wicked: After seeing that I am amazed that the southwestern US isn't filled with horrible mutant freaks.


It's not?

/by the time I get to Arizona
 
2010-07-08 10:19:18 AM  

loki see loki do: I like how his world map has Japan at the center of the world.


In the middle of the core?
 
2010-07-08 10:19:32 AM  

tdpatriots12: Oldiron_79: Only 2 really mattered.

I'd say three had significance so far.

1) Hiroshima
2) Nagasaki
3) First Soviet weapons test (US monopoly on nuclear weapons is over)


Yeah... with stolen US designs. Scientists wanted to use their design but Kremlin said no... use US.
 
2010-07-08 10:19:39 AM  

Ninja Wicked: After seeing that I am amazed that the southwestern US isn't filled with horrible mutant freaks.


lol
 
2010-07-08 10:19:46 AM  
At first I was bored, then I went WOW!, then I cried...
 
2010-07-08 10:20:20 AM  
Jesus Christ, that was boring as f*ck.
 
2010-07-08 10:20:25 AM  

endtimethirtyfour: reminded me of Philip Glass.


Ha, fool, or Hal Fempty?
 
2010-07-08 10:21:16 AM  

canyoneer: thetubameister: How is there anything left of the US Southwest?!?!?

The NTS is about 680 square miles. Most of the shots took place in a relatively small area, no bigger than metro NYC...something like that. Other tests were Ploughshares tests in northern New Mexico and Western Colorado (for example) where they were experimenting to see if natural gas production could be enhanced using atomic bombs to fracture rock strata (it didn't work).

So, it's all very, very scary if you don't put it in perspective and realize that most of the radiation (~99%) was contained underground, and that living in the Southwestern U.S. is a daily radiation bath anyway - just living in Colorado exposes one to about 200 millirems/year (high altitude). IOW, the menace of all of the testing is and was overblown. Yes, some of the early atmospheric tests were bad, and yes, there's no good reason to keep setting the damned things off, but no, the testing done to date has not poisoned vast stretches of the landscape. If I were you, I'd be far more worried about an x-ray or MRI.

Think and find out, don't let the hand-wringers frighten you.

Is a radiation dose of 360 millirem in a year harmful?

No. No effects have ever been observed at doses below 5,000 millirem delivered over a one year period. In fact, effects seen when humans are exposed to 100,000 millirem over a short time period are temporary and reversible. It takes a short-term dose of well over 500,000 millirem to cause a fatality. (new window)


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Would have preferred they hadn't done quite so many tests.
 
2010-07-08 10:21:37 AM  
I saw Pakistan but not India.
 
2010-07-08 10:21:37 AM  

rwfan: PatientZero: rwfan: That is 2053 nuclear explosions and the world survived. Add to that one farktacularly irresponsible reactor accident and the world survived. Perhaps the hysteria surrounding nuclear energy is a bit overblown?

I hope you know, those 2053 explosions didn't all happen at the same time, like they would in a nuclear war...

?! I tried to highlight to help with reading comprehension. Let me know if you need more help.


Unfortunately Chernobyl (and to a lesser extent Three Mile Island) became rallying points for those opposed to nuclear energy due to their own interests (coal, oil, etc)
 
2010-07-08 10:22:12 AM  

Thunderpipes: Why I also laugh at people who think the Gulf oil spill is some world changing event. In the overall scheme of things, it is an absolute zero impact event.


On a long-enough time-frame, so is the existence of the universe.
 
2010-07-08 10:22:39 AM  

Schlock: Thunderpipes: Why I also laugh at people who think the Gulf oil spill is some world changing event. In the overall scheme of things, it is an absolute zero impact event.

Agreed, but it's not really part of human nature to think of things on a scale long beyond our own lifespans, and I don't really think you can fault people for that.


I agree. I am one, however, that thinks a full scale nuclear war would actually be very good for humanity (not so much for the people who die in it), and the Earth. Our population is growing at a rate that eventually will demand too many resources. A large nuclear war would cull that somewhat, and it would also allow more physically robust people a greater advantage so we could clean up the gene pool.

Plus...super mutants...
 
2010-07-08 10:22:56 AM  

shirtsbyeric: I saw Pakistan but not India.


India was the second to last flag to appear, following China
 
2010-07-08 10:24:20 AM  

Doctor Whomever: FTFY. To imply the USA bombed Japan "out of anger" is a gross misrepresentation of history.


This is true - it was done more out of political calculation, a warning to the Russians write large, if you will.
 
2010-07-08 10:25:03 AM  

slothMD: Thunderpipes: Why I also laugh at people who think the Gulf oil spill is some world changing event. In the overall scheme of things, it is an absolute zero impact event.

On a long-enough time-frame, so is the existence of the universe.


If you get down to the theories, even that is debatable. That just gets into crap that makes my head hurt.

In our lifetime, the Gulf will recover. All of human history is just such a tiny little spec of time, we are arrogant to think our worrying about the Earth or its wildlife is anything more than worrying about our own personal comfort in the here and now.
 
2010-07-08 10:25:43 AM  

loki see loki do: I like how his world map has Japan at the center of the world.

Nationalist douchbaggery, even at a subliminal level, exists everywhere.


Not totally unreasonable, given how many tests there were in the Pacific and western North America.
 
2010-07-08 10:26:09 AM  

Nightsweat: "Would have preferred they hadn't done quite so many tests."


The big mistake there was hauling tons of contaminated sand back to the studio. It's also notable that most of the cancer deaths associated with that movie happened to be in heavy smokers, and that none of the deaths can be linked conclusively to Upshot Knothole.
 
2010-07-08 10:26:29 AM  

Petulant Dwarf: Isn't it ironic that the nation most concerned with stopping other countries from having nukes, the USA, is the only country to have ever deployed the weapons against another sovereign nation?


Gee I wonder who would know the HORROR of such a weapon.
Usually 2 people... those on whom a weapon is used and those who use the weapon...

Makes sence that the US would be heading the fight against them.


PS
I am not from the USA or a citizen of the USA.
 
2010-07-08 10:26:29 AM  
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We finally, really did it. You Maniacs!"
"You blew it up! Ah, damn you!"
"God damn you all to hell!"
 
2010-07-08 10:27:04 AM  
this video led to wiki'ing of nuclear bombs, which led to nucler propulsion and cold war treaties, and a shiatton more stuff. work productivity = 0.
 
2010-07-08 10:28:14 AM  

PatientZero: I hope you know, those 2053 explosions didn't all happen at the same time, like they would in a nuclear war...


So...if every one of those tests had occurred simultaneously, how would you say that the outcome would be different?
 
2010-07-08 10:28:53 AM  

Ninja Wicked: After seeing that I am amazed that the southwestern US isn't filled with horrible mutant freaks.


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Boy, what do you think I do all day? Whistle dixie? Hell no, son. I am out there on the front lines with them freaks. Good lord willin and the creek don't rise, I'll get every last one of em.
 
2010-07-08 10:29:08 AM  

loki see loki do: I like how his world map has Japan at the center of the world.

Nationalist douchbaggery, even at a subliminal level, exists everywhere.


You've already been taken to task, but I'll add this: something has to be at the center of the map. What would you pick? Well, that makes you a douchebag, douchebag.
 
2010-07-08 10:29:16 AM  

canyoneer: Nightsweat: "Would have preferred they hadn't done quite so many tests."

The big mistake there was hauling tons of contaminated sand back to the studio. It's also notable that most of the cancer deaths associated with that movie happened to be in heavy smokers, and that none of the deaths can be linked conclusively to Upshot Knothole.


91/220 is a pretty suggestive percentage of crew and cast to die from cancer, though.
 
2010-07-08 10:29:47 AM  

dittybopper: We'll meet again,
don't know where,
don't know when....


Does anybody here remember Vera Lynn?

Remember how she said that we would meet again, some sunny day?

Vera, Vera, what has become of you?
 
2010-07-08 10:29:53 AM  

bishop6042: I saw one US test that looked like it took place in Mississippi or Alabama. Where was that at?


A salt dome.

http://mshistory.k12.ms.us/articles/293/nuclear-blasts-in-mississippi
 
2010-07-08 10:30:04 AM  

Petulant Dwarf: Isn't it ironic that the nation most concerned with stopping other countries from having nukes, the USA, is the only country to have ever deployed the weapons against another sovereign nation?


Like ray-eeee-ain.....

Err, No.
 
2010-07-08 10:30:18 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: loki see loki do: I like how his world map has Japan at the center of the world.

Nationalist douchbaggery, even at a subliminal level, exists everywhere.

You've already been taken to task, but I'll add this: something has to be at the center of the map. What would you pick? Well, that makes you a douchebag, douchebag.


He also already apologized, maybe give the guy a break
 
2010-07-08 10:30:30 AM  
I never knew France tested that many nukes. I also expected the UK to have tested way more.

Also I am willing to bet there have been way more tests that were never declassified.

I was stationed at Camp Shelby, MS (literally right outside of Hattiesburg) I never knew I was so close to a nuke test site.
 
2010-07-08 10:30:39 AM  
There is no spoon only Zuul 2010-07-08 10:05:28 AM
Am I the only one here that was saddened watching this video? I knew there was a lot of nuclear tests in the 60's, but dear lord I never realized the scope.

-------------------

I did, but never saw it represented quite like that before now. I found the video fascinating, but yet extremely disturbing and thought provoking at the same time. After watching it I sat back, and said "Hmmm..." Again, it was beautiful and yet terrifying at the same time; if you know history enough as I do, and stop to realize the political climate during the years that you see each of the explosion blips being set off.

I took our scouts to Oak Ridge,TN a few years ago and got to see the city, the museum of Atomic energy learn of its history and see the Y-12 plant from a distance. I was awed and inwardly terrified at the same time knowing what had took place there, and still is today, just within a few hours' drive of my home.

I agree with the other "posters" that feel that we(the U.S., and Japan) realize how terrible the price is for unleashing such power on a grand scale.
 
2010-07-08 10:30:53 AM  
MoscowIwasn'tkiddingPOW
TehranIwasn'tkiddingPOW
BaghdadIwasn'tkiddingPOW

/Not sure if that quote's right, but I don't have my copy in front of me.
//Great play
///And after years of lurking, this is what I choose to Weeners.
 
2010-07-08 10:31:34 AM  

loki see loki do: I like how his world map has Japan at the center of the world.

Nationalist douchbaggery, even at a subliminal level, exists everywhere.


Nice troll.
FYI, Every country that makes maps puts there own in the center.
 
2010-07-08 10:31:58 AM  

Petulant Dwarf: Isn't it ironic that the nation most concerned with stopping other countries from having nukes, the USA, is the only country to have ever deployed the weapons against another sovereign nation?


No
 
2010-07-08 10:32:14 AM  

Nightsweat: canyoneer: Nightsweat: "Would have preferred they hadn't done quite so many tests."

The big mistake there was hauling tons of contaminated sand back to the studio. It's also notable that most of the cancer deaths associated with that movie happened to be in heavy smokers, and that none of the deaths can be linked conclusively to Upshot Knothole.

91/220 is a pretty suggestive percentage of crew and cast to die from cancer, though.


What was the usual percentage in Hollywood, if one removes traumatic deaths from the list?
 
2010-07-08 10:32:30 AM  

dittybopper: endtimethirtyfour: reminded me of Philip Glass.

Ha, fool, or Hal Fempty?


Your call, but I'll posit that one quarter of it is filled with Koyaanisqatsi with less delay and reverb.
 
2010-07-08 10:32:31 AM  

cmunic8r99: Thunderpipes: "Yes Sir, drop that Farker, twice!"
/approves


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/Disapproves
 
2010-07-08 10:33:03 AM  
You know after all the google searches this thread has made me do I'm probably now on some security watchlist
 
2010-07-08 10:34:15 AM  

Doctor Whomever: To imply the USA bombed Japan "out of anger" is a gross misrepresentation of history.


It's just a figure of speech. I've fired my new hunting rifle hundreds of times at the range, but only fired one shot "in anger" - the one that killed my first buck. I wasn't actually angry, it's just an expression.

/Pretty sure we were pissed off at the Japs when we dropped those bombs, though.
 
2010-07-08 10:34:16 AM  

loki see loki do: I like how his world map has Japan at the center of the world.

Nationalist douchbaggery, even at a subliminal level, exists everywhere.


Like American made world maps that have the U.S. at the center?
 
2010-07-08 10:34:18 AM  
If by "coolest" you mean most tediously boringly paced and needlessly long and monotonous... then yes. I totally agree.
 
2010-07-08 10:34:35 AM  

ad-astra62: There is no spoon only Zuul 2010-07-08 10:05:28 AM
I took our scouts to Oak Ridge,TN a few years ago and got to see the city, the museum of Atomic energy learn of its history and see the Y-12 plant from a distance. I was awed and inwardly terrified at the same time knowing what had took place there, and still is today, just within a few hours' drive of my home.


I lived in Knoxville for a long time, and it was always a bit unnerving to know that a logical primary terrorism target was just up the highway.
 
2010-07-08 10:34:58 AM  

Cheesus: Schlock: bishop6042: I saw one US test that looked like it took place in Mississippi or Alabama. Where was that at?

I can't figure out where those ones were happening either

Hattiesburg, MS

/Favre


HATTIESBURG!!! That's what Kraftwerk is saying!

/It's in the air, for you and me
 
2010-07-08 10:36:05 AM  

signine: The atomic bomb tests in New Mexico and Nevada have left some pretty sizeable chunks of land unusable. Then again, it was also in the middle of the desert, so it was unusable anyway.

The biggest problems from the stateside nuke tests in the 50s turned out not to be anywhere near the area in which the nukes were actually tested. There's a huge incidence of birth defects and other developmental disabilities in the midwest for the years during and following the tests that can be directly tied to them.

I think most of the cows spewing out the radioactive milk are dead now though.


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2010-07-08 10:36:35 AM  

canyoneer: Nightsweat: "Would have preferred they hadn't done quite so many tests."

The big mistake there was hauling tons of contaminated sand back to the studio. It's also notable that most of the cancer deaths associated with that movie happened to be in heavy smokers, and that none of the deaths can be linked conclusively to Upshot Knothole.


A gay friend once tried to get me to try Upshot Knothole when we were drunk, but I was like "Dude, you *KNOW* I'm straight".
 
2010-07-08 10:36:38 AM  

Nightsweat: Left off the mystery nuke in 1979 at Vela - likely a joint Israeli/South African bomb.


Came for this. Bears repeating.
 
2010-07-08 10:36:42 AM  

dittybopper: We'll meet again,
don't know where,
don't know when....


Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!
 
2010-07-08 10:37:05 AM  

This text is now purple: Nightsweat: canyoneer: Nightsweat: "Would have preferred they hadn't done quite so many tests."

The big mistake there was hauling tons of contaminated sand back to the studio. It's also notable that most of the cancer deaths associated with that movie happened to be in heavy smokers, and that none of the deaths can be linked conclusively to Upshot Knothole.

91/220 is a pretty suggestive percentage of crew and cast to die from cancer, though.

What was the usual percentage in Hollywood, if one removes traumatic deaths from the list?


Looks like about 20-22% of Americans end up dying of cancer. This was double that.
 
2010-07-08 10:37:29 AM  

Thunderpipes: Why I also laugh at people who think the Gulf oil spill is some world changing event. In the overall scheme of things, it is an absolute zero impact event.


Zero impact event my ass. If you lived near the Gulf coast you wouldn't be saying that.
 
2010-07-08 10:37:39 AM  
Interesting. Um, don't 2,000 nuclear explosions fark up the planet?
 
2010-07-08 10:38:12 AM  
I agree, if by "coolest" you mean sleep inducing.
 
2010-07-08 10:38:22 AM  

slothMD: PatientZero: I hope you know, those 2053 explosions didn't all happen at the same time, like they would in a nuclear war...

So...if every one of those tests had occurred simultaneously, how would you say that the outcome would be different?


i253.photobucket.com
 
2010-07-08 10:39:02 AM  
Also, I don't think I saw anyone mention this, but holy fark the USSR's tests were all over the damn place. At least everyone else kept it fairly confined
 
2010-07-08 10:39:56 AM  

TheTeethoftheTiger: Pope Larry II: It looks like both the USSR and the USA bombed the hell out of themsevles. I wonder if, in the long run, that will be worse than an actual war.

England tested in Australia and the US and France tested in Algeria (or close to it). These things are new to me.

Hah, never thought of it that way.

US: Don't you DARE bomb us, like this, BOOM!
USSR: We could though, like this, BOOM!
US: You bastards, that was threatening, but we can respond, like this! BOOM!
USSR: Touche, but now watch this! BOOM!
US: How bout this! BOOM!
USSR: No way! quit it! BOOM!
UK: Hey guys, just fyi, BOOM!



Quite often the tests were exactly that. Mine is bigger then yours. Here is proof.

BOOM
 
2010-07-08 10:40:57 AM  

Latinwolf: loki see loki do: I like how his world map has Japan at the center of the world.

Nationalist douchbaggery, even at a subliminal level, exists everywhere.

Like American made world maps that have the U.S. at the center?


Once again, I don't think I've ever seen a map like that. US maps tend to have 0°,0° as center, just south of Ghana, or somewhere in the Mediterranean as center, depending on the projection used to make the map. I wouldn't doubt it if US military tactical maps or other specialized maps for use in the US have the US as center though.
 
2010-07-08 10:41:13 AM  
YYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
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2010-07-08 10:42:01 AM  
Center of the map should be Atlanta - home of JFP
 
2010-07-08 10:42:22 AM  
Strange you should ask, erewhon. Just yesterday I listened to a youtube clip of Vera Lynn singing that song. Also listened to The Byrds version
 
2010-07-08 10:43:02 AM  

PatientZero: rwfan: That is 2053 nuclear explosions and the world survived. Add to that one farktacularly irresponsible reactor accident and the world survived. Perhaps the hysteria surrounding nuclear energy is a bit overblown?

I hope you know, those 2053 explosions didn't all happen at the same time, like they would in a nuclear war...


And a lot of those were done underground, not above ground like they would in a nuclear war. And they were also not done in populated areas, unlike what would happen in a nuclear war.
 
2010-07-08 10:43:54 AM  

Fark it lets go bowling: Thunderpipes: Why I also laugh at people who think the Gulf oil spill is some world changing event. In the overall scheme of things, it is an absolute zero impact event.

Zero impact event my ass. If you lived near the Gulf coast you wouldn't be saying that.


100 years from now, a very tiny speck of time, people will not even remember what the hell that oil spill was even about. I don't live near the gulf, nor do almost all people on Earth. Getting in a car accident would be a greater impact to my life than if the gulf sunk into the ocean, or land, or oil well, or whatever. Big whoop.

If not for the media, hardly anyone outside the Gulf would care either.
 
2010-07-08 10:44:20 AM  
Attention earth: Put down the Bright Eyes and razorblades.
 
2010-07-08 10:45:12 AM  

rwfan: That is 2053 nuclear explosions and the world survived. Add to that one farktacularly irresponsible reactor accident and the world survived. Perhaps the hysteria surrounding nuclear energy is a bit overblown?



Every school kid had it drilled into them that even a moderate nuclear war would cause global devastation. Then you see this and you think ... hmm maybe not so much. Then you find out a significant percentage of these were all underground tests and you really wonder. Then you realize it dont matter you still have to work for money for food so you stop typing and go back to work.
 
2010-07-08 10:45:35 AM  

slothMD: PatientZero: I hope you know, those 2053 explosions didn't all happen at the same time, like they would in a nuclear war...

So...if every one of those tests had occurred simultaneously, how would you say that the outcome would be different?


Here: lay down on the ground, and then get someone to stack one brick on top of you, take it off, put another brick on you, take it off, etc.

Now, lay down and have someone stack 2053 bricks on top of you.
 
2010-07-08 10:46:28 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: /Pretty sure we were pissed off at the Japs when we dropped those bombs, though.


We were at war, and the bombs in Hiroshima & Nagasaki were dropped to force a surrender and prevent the loss of life (on both sides) that an invasion of Japan would result in. Also, the Japanese government was warned prior to attack of the destructive capabilities of the atomic bomb. Leaflets were also dropped on civilian cities explaining the situation and urging them to evacuate. I wouldn't say the US was reluctant to use the atomic bombs, but at the same time those that were responsible for the decision did not revel in its use.
 
2010-07-08 10:46:30 AM  

H31N0US: Flab: Haunting music.

I was expecting Alcatrazz "Hiroshima Mon Amour". Yngwie came out of nowhere with the most badass rock guitar solo I had ever heard.


Great song, great album. Alcatrazz rocked with either Malmsteen and Steve Vai.

/totally off the subject.
//Vai is the greatest guitarist of all time
///and now back to your regularly scheduled program
 
2010-07-08 10:46:35 AM  

Thunderpipes: Fark it lets go bowling: Thunderpipes: Why I also laugh at people who think the Gulf oil spill is some world changing event. In the overall scheme of things, it is an absolute zero impact event.

Zero impact event my ass. If you lived near the Gulf coast you wouldn't be saying that.

100 years from now, a very tiny speck of time, people will not even remember what the hell that oil spill was even about. I don't live near the gulf, nor do almost all people on Earth. Getting in a car accident would be a greater impact to my life than if the gulf sunk into the ocean, or land, or oil well, or whatever. Big whoop.

If not for the media, hardly anyone outside the Gulf would care either.


Except that we can only get shiat Vietnamese shrimp, but I will agree that this doesn't affect your Philistine taste.
 
2010-07-08 10:46:43 AM  
dittybopper: Schlock: Bikini Atoll, I believe

I prefer No Bikini Atoll.

Awesome.


We're gonna rock!
We're gonna stomp!
We're gonna have ourselves a ball..
Bounce! Bounce!
Everybody has
a swinging time
at the No Bikini Atoll!
 
2010-07-08 10:47:19 AM  

kvinesknows: Then you realize it dont matter you still have to work for money for food so you stop typing and go back to work


Oh shiat I knew I forgot something
 
2010-07-08 10:49:47 AM  

Flab: bishop6042: I saw one US test that looked like it took place in Mississippi or Alabama. Where was that at?

According to wikipedia, near Hattiesburg, Mississippi.


Thanks for the link. That would make a good basis for an awesome conspiracy theory. Why would we nuke Mississippi? Aliens. Maybe Zombies. Yeah...zombies..the first outbreak was there and we had to eliminate tens of thousands before they got out.
 
2010-07-08 10:49:51 AM  

Nightsweat: tdpatriots12: Oldiron_79: Only 2 really mattered.

I'd say three had significance so far.

1) Hiroshima
2) Nagasaki
3) First Soviet weapons test (US monopoly on nuclear weapons is over)

India, Pakistan nukes are important since they are most likely to get used right now. And the Israeli nuke has all kinds of significance.


Israel does not have Nuclear weapons
 
2010-07-08 10:50:01 AM  
This needs to be mixed with the yakity sax music.
 
2010-07-08 10:51:04 AM  
So, we nuked ourselves over 1000 times. I live in the mid-west, and virtually everyone I know who has died over the years died from one form of cancer or another. I wonder if it's a coincidence?
 
2010-07-08 10:51:17 AM  

kvinesknows: Nightsweat: tdpatriots12: Oldiron_79: Only 2 really mattered.

I'd say three had significance so far.

1) Hiroshima
2) Nagasaki
3) First Soviet weapons test (US monopoly on nuclear weapons is over)

India, Pakistan nukes are important since they are most likely to get used right now. And the Israeli nuke has all kinds of significance.

Israel does not have Nuclear weapons


Correct. They only have nuclear fissile devices capable of becoming weaponized. Good catch.
 
2010-07-08 10:51:19 AM  
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2010-07-08 10:51:21 AM  
If you had asked me earlier this morning how many nukes we (the United States) have exploded, I probably would've guessed a number significantly less than 100.
 
2010-07-08 10:51:48 AM  

braedan: cmunic8r99: Thunderpipes: "Yes Sir, drop that Farker, twice!"
/approves


/Disapproves


Gold star for the day, man. You rock.
 
2010-07-08 10:52:19 AM  

braedan: I wouldn't say the US was reluctant to use the atomic bombs, but at the same time those that were responsible for the decision did not revel in its use.


Revel, no I'm sure they didn't. But the way I see it, saying that it was "necessary" to nuke Japan is rationalizing. It may have been necessary from a military perspective, but as the only nation ever to use nuclear weapons in anger we have to rationalize that action or face our conscience.

I'm not a military man nor a student of history, but I suspect with some imagination there were other alternatives available besides "invade" and "nuke."
 
2010-07-08 10:52:53 AM  

Thunderpipes: Fark it lets go bowling: Thunderpipes: Why I also laugh at people who think the Gulf oil spill is some world changing event. In the overall scheme of things, it is an absolute zero impact event.

Zero impact event my ass. If you lived near the Gulf coast you wouldn't be saying that.

100 years from now, a very tiny speck of time, people will not even remember what the hell that oil spill was even about. I don't live near the gulf, nor do almost all people on Earth. Getting in a car accident would be a greater impact to my life than if the gulf sunk into the ocean, or land, or oil well, or whatever. Big whoop.

If not for the media, hardly anyone outside the Gulf would care either.


don't bet on it. The spill if destroying some of the most important spawning grounds for several species that are already overfished. If you mean that people won't remember this is the start of the end for cod or other food species, maybe you'll be right, but a visitor from last year to the future of 100 years from now will wonder where all the fish went.
 
2010-07-08 10:52:57 AM  

Nightsweat: "91/220 is a pretty suggestive percentage of crew and cast to die from cancer, though."


Suggestive, but not conclusive. I'm not exactly disagreeing with you: It seems pretty obvious that there were "downwinder" cancers from atmospheric testing, and those probably include some of the cast and crew of The Conqueror. It's an old story out here.

However, the lasting toxicity of atmospheric testing is vastly exagerrated. For example, Hiroshima has a current population of about 1.5 million, and they aren't all keeling over from cancer and radiation sickness, although an atomic bomb was exploded right over downtown in 1945.

Lots of people probably never think about it, but we all live in a constant bath of radiation from multiple sources...cosmic radiation, background radiation in the soil and rocks, radiation inherent in multiple industrial products and processes, and even from our food (fertilized with phosphates). Radiation is natural and is even a necessary ingredient of evolution.

You can get killed by drinking too much tequila, too. Meh.
 
2010-07-08 10:53:28 AM  
merkey88: work productivity = 0.

I am not alone then.
 
2010-07-08 10:53:59 AM  

kvinesknows:
Israel does not have Nuclear weapons


Not sure if serious.jpg
 
2010-07-08 10:54:18 AM  

PatientZero: Here: lay down on the ground, and then get someone to stack one brick on top of you, take it off, put another brick on you, take it off, etc.

Now, lay down and have someone stack 2053 bricks on top of you.


You could just answer the question.
 
2010-07-08 10:55:12 AM  

kvinesknows: Nightsweat: tdpatriots12: Oldiron_79: Only 2 really mattered.

I'd say three had significance so far.

1) Hiroshima
2) Nagasaki
3) First Soviet weapons test (US monopoly on nuclear weapons is over)

India, Pakistan nukes are important since they are most likely to get used right now. And the Israeli nuke has all kinds of significance.

Israel does not have Nuclear weapons


And Joan Rivers has never had plastic surgery.
 
2010-07-08 10:55:16 AM  

mod3072: "So, we nuked ourselves over 1000 times. I live in the mid-west, and virtually everyone I know who has died over the years died from one form of cancer or another. I wonder if it's a coincidence?"


In the Midwest? The breadbasket of the world? I'd say all the millions of tons of pesticides and herbicides that have been splooshed all over the place are the more likely culprits.
 
2010-07-08 10:55:17 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: braedan: I wouldn't say the US was reluctant to use the atomic bombs, but at the same time those that were responsible for the decision did not revel in its use.

Revel, no I'm sure they didn't. But the way I see it, saying that it was "necessary" to nuke Japan is rationalizing. It may have been necessary from a military perspective, but as the only nation ever to use nuclear weapons in anger we have to rationalize that action or face our conscience.

I'm not a military man nor a student of history, but I suspect with some imagination there were other alternatives available besides "invade" and "nuke."


As someone else pointed out, unfortunately the reason was probably more along the political lines of sending an explicit message to Russia.
 
2010-07-08 10:55:22 AM  

braedan: the bombs in Hiroshima & Nagasaki were dropped to force a surrender and prevent the loss of life (on both sides)


*cough*
No they weren't. They were dropped to send a warning to the Russians.
The Japanese had been trying to surrender for months.
 
2010-07-08 10:55:54 AM  

FarkinNortherner: Flab: I didn't know that the Brits had nuked the US, though.

Yes. Records indicate that we hit 42°19′53″ N, 83°2′45″ W. I'm not sure why nobody's yet noticed?


A nuke hitting that part of the US would be considered an improvement.
 
2010-07-08 10:56:00 AM  
Part of the reason for the great number of tests is that there is a large variety of weapons. ICBMs, SLBMs, IRBMs, SRBMs, air dropped strategic bombs, tactical bombs and missiles, anti aircraft missile warheads, depth charges, torpedoes, artillery shells, nuclear demolition charges....

Some of the types shared the actual warheads, but there was still many different devices, all of them needed to be tested several times each.

Also, as the technology of the weapons improved the new models needed testing, then, as the guidance systems of the delivery vehicles improved, new weapons that took advantage of the increased accuracy by reducing yield needed to be developed, and tested.

I think they also tested older weapons from time to time to make sure they still worked. When you are staking your national existence (or at least believing you are) you want to test that stuff.

I've also read that some stratigists believed that no more than 300 weapons could insure MAD, but those opinions weren't supported by the national leadership at the time. I think that was around Kennedy's administration. The generals convinced him more was better, way more was way better. Missile gap and all that.

/tl;ywr
 
2010-07-08 10:56:07 AM  

canyoneer: Is a radiation dose of 360 millirem in a year harmful?

No. No effects have ever been observed at doses below 5,000 millirem delivered over a one year period. In fact, effects seen when humans are exposed to 100,000 millirem over a short time period are temporary and reversible. It takes a short-term dose of well over 500,000 millirem to cause a fatality. (new window)


Uh, what about 5,000 millirems/year for, say, 4 years? 10 years? At what point does atmospheric radiation become unacceptable to you?

Fact is, we've blown over 2000 bombs into the environment of the earth over a relatively short period and the best you can say is that some of the short-term effects of an even high dose are "reversible." Well, what about the long-term effects? Will having an "extra" 300 millirems/year in the atmosphere affect our great-grandkids in some way? What would it do to humans living in the area 10 generations down the road?

I don't know. You don't know. That's why all of these tests were FARKING insane!
 
2010-07-08 10:56:56 AM  
I'll just leave this here (possibly mildly NSFW)
 
2010-07-08 10:58:05 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Thunderpipes: Fark it lets go bowling: Thunderpipes: Why I also laugh at people who think the Gulf oil spill is some world changing event. In the overall scheme of things, it is an absolute zero impact event.

Zero impact event my ass. If you lived near the Gulf coast you wouldn't be saying that.

100 years from now, a very tiny speck of time, people will not even remember what the hell that oil spill was even about. I don't live near the gulf, nor do almost all people on Earth. Getting in a car accident would be a greater impact to my life than if the gulf sunk into the ocean, or land, or oil well, or whatever. Big whoop.

If not for the media, hardly anyone outside the Gulf would care either.

Except that we can only get shiat Vietnamese shrimp, but I will agree that this doesn't affect your Philistine taste.


Wow, so your big loss is your shrimp won't be the right kind? Kind of proved my point for me, you big girl. Even the hardest hit fishermen or oil worker can get a different job. Really, the world is not changing because of this.

And yes, I taste like Philistine.
 
2010-07-08 10:58:11 AM  

slothMD: braedan: the bombs in Hiroshima & Nagasaki were dropped to force a surrender and prevent the loss of life (on both sides)

*cough*
No they weren't. They were dropped to send a warning to the Russians.
The Japanese had been trying to surrender for months.


Not sure about them trying for months, but yes my understanding was that japan was already on the verge of defeat by the time the bombs were dropped. The US had pushed them out of most of the pacific, and Russia was knocking on their door. The choice was surrendering to the US or being invaded by Russia.
 
2010-07-08 10:59:08 AM  
I live 10 minutes from Oak Ridge Tennessee so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. Spent some time at Y-12 for work and it is very creepy. Abandoned bulldozers rotting away in chained off contaminated areas, chunks of radioactive material occasionally falling off trucks, people walking around with radiation meters that are checked annually for exposure. I've heard some really farked up stories from people that have worked there for years.
 
2010-07-08 10:59:52 AM  
For some frightening beauty, get a copy of "Trinity and Beyond".
 
2010-07-08 11:00:54 AM  
I think that would have been a hell of a lot more interesting if they sped it up by about 3x in the middle.

/I wonder if the end was intended. You have about 6 years of near "silence" where things feel kind of upbeat, and then right at the end you have a new nation "joining ( Pakistan )
 
2010-07-08 11:01:32 AM  

Nightsweat: Thunderpipes: Fark it lets go bowling: Thunderpipes: Why I also laugh at people who think the Gulf oil spill is some world changing event. In the overall scheme of things, it is an absolute zero impact event.

Zero impact event my ass. If you lived near the Gulf coast you wouldn't be saying that.

100 years from now, a very tiny speck of time, people will not even remember what the hell that oil spill was even about. I don't live near the gulf, nor do almost all people on Earth. Getting in a car accident would be a greater impact to my life than if the gulf sunk into the ocean, or land, or oil well, or whatever. Big whoop.

If not for the media, hardly anyone outside the Gulf would care either.

don't bet on it. The spill if destroying some of the most important spawning grounds for several species that are already overfished. If you mean that people won't remember this is the start of the end for cod or other food species, maybe you'll be right, but a visitor from last year to the future of 100 years from now will wonder where all the fish went.



except that this spill just barely has become the Gulf largest spill.. ie the gulf has survived a spill almost as large. less then 50 years ago and barely anyone even remembered and it hardly had any impact.
 
2010-07-08 11:02:19 AM  

Nightsweat:

don't bet on it. The spill if destroying some of the most important spawning grounds for several species that are already overfished. If you mean that people won't remember this is the start of the end for cod or other food species, maybe you'll be right, but a visitor from last year to the future of 100 years from now will wonder where all the fish went.


Or they would wonder why they are simply eating something else. A different fish, or a non-fish critter. We have particular types of fish that we plunder, I agree. When populations dip low enough, we just switch to something easier to get. Nothing you, I, or any number of countries combined can do to really impact the overall abundance of life in the sea.

We might have to give up our favorite fish for a while is all. Countries that rely on fishing as their primary source of food/income might starve a little. Oh well. There is always piracy.
 
2010-07-08 11:02:27 AM  

signine: The biggest problems from the stateside nuke tests in the 50s turned out not to be anywhere near the area in which the nukes were actually tested. There's a huge incidence of birth defects and other developmental disabilities in the midwest for the years during and following the tests that can be directly tied to them.


Well, that explains Sarah Palin's popularity there.
 
2010-07-08 11:03:07 AM  
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Not amused.
 
2010-07-08 11:03:13 AM  

b2e44: kvinesknows:
Israel does not have Nuclear weapons

Not sure if serious.jpg



go ahead.. find proof that Israel has them.
 
2010-07-08 11:03:27 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: braedan: I wouldn't say the US was reluctant to use the atomic bombs, but at the same time those that were responsible for the decision did not revel in its use.

Revel, no I'm sure they didn't. But the way I see it, saying that it was "necessary" to nuke Japan is rationalizing. It may have been necessary from a military perspective, but as the only nation ever to use nuclear weapons in anger we have to rationalize that action or face our conscience.

I'm not a military man nor a student of history, but I suspect with some imagination there were other alternatives available besides "invade" and "nuke."


Yes, there was. It was "starve". Would starving 25,000,000 Japanese to death have been better than quickly roasting 100,000 Japanese? The submarine blockade and air attacks on coastal transportation had stopped almost all food import and distribution. The starvation would have been Stalinesque by the winter of '45-'46.
 
2010-07-08 11:04:12 AM  

Petulant Dwarf: Isn't it ironic that the nation most concerned with stopping other countries from having nukes, the USA, is the only country to have ever deployed the weapons against another sovereign nation?



I don't know, Japan seems pretty worried about it too(especially about the North Koreans)

/your bias is biased
//You're making the rest of us Americans look bad
 
2010-07-08 11:06:18 AM  

Count Dyscalculia: Flab: bishop6042: I saw one US test that looked like it took place in Mississippi or Alabama. Where was that at?

According to wikipedia, near Hattiesburg, Mississippi.

Thanks for the link. That would make a good basis for an awesome conspiracy theory. Why would we nuke Mississippi? Aliens. Maybe Zombies. Yeah...zombies..the first outbreak was there and we had to eliminate tens of thousands before they got out.


I was thinking the same thing. I run CoC: Delta Green games and this is great fodder for a great campaign.
 
2010-07-08 11:06:31 AM  

Thunderpipes: Why I also laugh at people who think the Gulf oil spill is some world changing event. In the overall scheme of things, it is an absolute zero impact event.


You get my Douchebag of the Day award.
 
2010-07-08 11:06:33 AM  
Cross breed a sea manatee with a tiger, and all the Gulf problems are solved. A large sea mammal that is aggressive and strong, and strong in magic, we are all set.

The funny thing is, maybe not in our lifetimes, but probably fairly soon, we will be able to engineer creatures that thrive anywhere. They are already working on algae that should be able to eat oil and poop oxygen. No reason we should not be able to engineer critters or even people that thrive on what today are pollutants.

Imagine a person that did well in radiation and could eat oil spill as a vitamin boost? What would people cry about then?
 
2010-07-08 11:07:35 AM  
India exploded its first device in the 1970s?!?

(checks Wikipedia)

Whaddya know!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiling_Buddha

/did not know that
//seems an ironic name
///why not Smiling Shiva?
 
2010-07-08 11:07:56 AM  

austin_millbarge: Thunderpipes: Why I also laugh at people who think the Gulf oil spill is some world changing event. In the overall scheme of things, it is an absolute zero impact event.

You get my Douchebag of the Day award.


And you get my I can't debate so I call people names award of the day. Congratulations.
 
2010-07-08 11:08:49 AM  

Thunderpipes: Nightsweat:

don't bet on it. The spill if destroying some of the most important spawning grounds for several species that are already overfished. If you mean that people won't remember this is the start of the end for cod or other food species, maybe you'll be right, but a visitor from last year to the future of 100 years from now will wonder where all the fish went.

Or they would wonder why they are simply eating something else. A different fish, or a non-fish critter. We have particular types of fish that we plunder, I agree. When populations dip low enough, we just switch to something easier to get. Nothing you, I, or any number of countries combined can do to really impact the overall abundance of life in the sea.

We might have to give up our favorite fish for a while is all. Countries that rely on fishing as their primary source of food/income might starve a little. Oh well. There is always piracy.


Your ignorance is astounding.
 
2010-07-08 11:08:51 AM  

tdpatriots12: Oldiron_79: Only 2 really mattered.

I'd say three had significance so far.

1) Hiroshima
2) Nagasaki
3) First Soviet weapons test (US monopoly on nuclear weapons is over)


if you are going to go that route, then you need to include pakistan as the first middle eastern and N.Korea as the first nutbag whackjob led countries wouldnt you?

russia china, US, france and england having nukes but never having any real post cold war intent to launch is one thing... any country in an increasingly unstable middle east and any country with an increasingly unstable leader changes things quite a bit i would think...
 
2010-07-08 11:08:58 AM  

slothMD: braedan: the bombs in Hiroshima & Nagasaki were dropped to force a surrender and prevent the loss of life (on both sides)

*cough*
No they weren't. They were dropped to send a warning to the Russians.
The Japanese had been trying to surrender for months.


You went to school in Texas, didn't you?
 
2010-07-08 11:09:13 AM  

Thunderpipes:

Wow, so your big loss is your shrimp won't be the right kind? Kind of proved my point for me, you big girl. Even the hardest hit fishermen or oil worker can get a different job. Really, the world is not changing because of this.

And yes, I taste like Philistine.


Was there ever a day when taste and quality was important, or was it always fat slobs stuffing their faces at the Golden Corral?
 
2010-07-08 11:09:37 AM  

good0179: India exploded its first device in the 1970s?!?

(checks Wikipedia)

Whaddya know!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiling_Buddha

/did not know that
//seems an ironic name
///why not Smiling Shiva?


Yeah, that surprised me too. I thought it was much later
 
2010-07-08 11:09:44 AM  

OrelupM: I'm just wondering where the people claiming "maps in america show america in the center" live. While I remember some maps like that (usually they reference something about the US), most of the maps I see have europe in the center, and the US to the right and Hawaii barely even on the map.


I'm looking at a Nat Geo world map I bought from B&N last year. If we're all so ethno-centric, I guess West Chester, PA must lie in the Gulf of Guinea off western Africa.

/seriously?
//Never seen a world map with US in the middle, although I'm sure they exists somewhere.
 
2010-07-08 11:11:03 AM  

ATTENTION: 2012


You mean 2077, right?
 
2010-07-08 11:12:24 AM  

There is no spoon only Zuul: Am I the only one here that was saddened watching this video?


No.
 
2010-07-08 11:12:54 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: I'm not a military man nor a student of history, but I suspect with some imagination there were other alternatives available besides "invade" and "nuke."


Quite a few.
1) Step up the conventional and incendiary bombing.
2) Starve them out.
3) Accept the surrender offers on the table.
4) Keep doing what we were doing for a few months.
 
2010-07-08 11:13:35 AM  

pb-crunch: "Uh, what about 5,000 millirems/year for, say, 4 years? 10 years? At what point does atmospheric radiation become unacceptable to you? Fact is, we've blown over 2000 bombs into the environment of the earth over a relatively short period and the best you can say is that some of the short-term effects of an even high dose are "reversible." Well, what about the long-term effects? Will having an "extra" 300 millirems/year in the atmosphere affect our great-grandkids in some way? What would it do to humans living in the area 10 generations down the road? I don't know. You don't know. That's why all of these tests were FARKING insane!"


Um, you need to read up on fission products. (new window)

For fission of uranium-235, the predominant radioactive fission products include isotopes of iodine, caesium, strontium, xenon and barium. It is important to understand that the size of the threat becomes smaller with the passage of time. Locations where radiation fields once posed immediate mortal threats, such as much of the Chernobyl power plant on day one of the accident and the ground zero sites of Japanese atomic bombings (6 hours after detonation), are now safe as the radioactivity has decayed to a very low level.


IOW, after a few years, radiation levels drop back to background levels - no worse than what was experienced by our ancestors 10,000 or 100,000 years ago. Most of the testing was done below ground, and 99%+ of the fission products were contained. The threat from this is overblown, and there is zero threat to humans 10 generations down the road. Relax.
 
2010-07-08 11:13:38 AM  

summersa74: ATTENTION: 2012

You mean 2077, right?



good lord I hope not. My retirement plan kind of depends on the earth (or at least civilization for the most part) being wiped out fairly soon.
 
2010-07-08 11:13:58 AM  

gajillion: You went to school in Texas, didn't you?


We're having a civil discussion here. The Douche-off room is down the hall. Thanks.
 
2010-07-08 11:14:06 AM  
If US only used that money on health care you'd be the healthiest nation on earth instead you exploded the most nukes. USA USA USA you are NUMBER ONE RA RA RA
 
2010-07-08 11:14:14 AM  

Schlock: bishop6042: I saw one US test that looked like it took place in Mississippi or Alabama. Where was that at?

I can't figure out where those ones were happening either


Salt domes in Mississippi.

They detonated one which created a cavern and then detonated a second inside the cavern to measure scientific stuff and whatnot.

I put a flint from a bic lighter in one of my hollow points one time and shot it at a rock, for purely scientific reasons.

Science sure does sparkle.
 
2010-07-08 11:14:17 AM  

cretinbob: I'll just leave this here (possibly mildly NSFW)


Cool. Thanks.
 
2010-07-08 11:14:25 AM  

Fark it lets go bowling:

Your ignorance is astounding.


Care to debate? Of course not, you are a liberal wienie. How many times just in my lifetime have I had to listen to people crying gloom and doom about the South African Tree Frog or some other critter in danger that will end all life on Earth? And yet, we always seem to manage, huh?

I don't give a fark about sea turtles. They could dissapear for ever and nobody but turtle loving homos would even notice. Quit crying over spilled milk.
 
2010-07-08 11:17:10 AM  
testbenchdude: //Never seen a world map with US in the middle, although I'm sure they exists somewhere.

Let me introduce you to this little known web site
 
2010-07-08 11:18:38 AM  

slothMD: Fuggin Bizzy: I'm not a military man nor a student of history, but I suspect with some imagination there were other alternatives available besides "invade" and "nuke."

Quite a few.
1) Step up the conventional and incendiary bombing.

would kill even more people. You do know how many died in just the Feb 24, 1945 firebombing of Tokyo, right? More than in either atom bomb

2) Starve them out.

Kill more people, more slowly

3) Accept the surrender offers on the table.

and then we might have had to do it all over again

4) Keep doing what we were doing for a few months.


More people killed, and still no way to bring them to their knees, why?>

What we did was the most effective in saving lives, both Japanese and allies, period.
 
2010-07-08 11:20:35 AM  
Isn't it ironic that MAD is the greatest peacekeeper we could imagine?
 
2010-07-08 11:20:55 AM  

Schlock: The beeps were hell on my speakers once they started in earnest.

Also, you'd think there'd have come a point after the first couple hundred in the US where we decided we'd really learned about all we were going to from setting these off.


The trinity device was literally held together by scotch tape and was more of a proof of concept than a weapons test; the devices used against Japan were basically untested and little more than labratory devices in bomb casings. It wasn't until 1954 that the first h-bomb was tested and it's yield was significantly greater than the predictions. Basically there was a lot of trial and error in the first decade of nuclear weapon testing and a lot of the subsequent tests were to test new bomb designs, test the affects of a nuclear blast on animals-people-buildings-whatever and to try to find designs for fortifications and bunkers that would stand-up to a nuclear blast.

They weren't setting off these bombs just for the fireworks
 
2010-07-08 11:21:29 AM  
one day we dezidez...
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2010-07-08 11:22:45 AM  
I think this explains Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas. They're downwind from all that nuclear fallout.
 
2010-07-08 11:22:46 AM  

Thunderpipes: Fark it lets go bowling:

Your ignorance is astounding.

Care to debate? Of course not, you are a liberal wienie. How many times just in my lifetime have I had to listen to people crying gloom and doom about the South African Tree Frog or some other critter in danger that will end all life on Earth? And yet, we always seem to manage, huh?

I don't give a fark about sea turtles. They could dissapear for ever and nobody but turtle loving homos would even notice. Quit crying over spilled milk.


Ok so you're also saying fark the hundreds of thousands of people along the gulf coast who have lost their livelihoods. They don't matter they and their families have only been working in the fishing industry for generations but fark 'em they don't matter.
 
2010-07-08 11:23:04 AM  
5.6.3.5.4 Genetic Effects

Radiation damage to the germ cells of the reproductive organs can cause mutations that are passed on to subsequent generations. Although this is very important, it can nonetheless be overplayed. It may seem surprising, but no elevated mutation rate from radiation has ever been detected in the human population, not even in the substantial population of atomic bomb survivors and descendants. One reason for this is that humans are wild animals, that is, they have not been subjected to controlled breeding and thus have a high incidence of natural genetic variability and disorders, compared to laboratory and domestic animals. About 10% of the human population has detectable genetic disorders (most are not serious). This makes it difficult to detect additional mutations unless the rate is also high.

Two factors act to limit the effective radiation exposure for genetic effects, one for acute exposures, the other for chronic exposures. High acute exposures to the reproductive organs can cause permanent sterility, which prevents transmission of genetic effects. The cumulative effect of chronic exposure is limited by the fact that only exposures prior to reproduction count. Since most reproduction occurs before the age of 30, exposures after that age have little effect on the population.

It is estimated that the dose to reproductive tissue required to double the natural incidence of genetic disorders is 100-200 rems. The initial rate of observable disorders (the first generation) is only about 1/3 of the eventual rate once genetic equilibrium is established. Of course increases in the rate of genetic disorders (especially in a large population) is a _permanent_ alteration of the human species.
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2010-07-08 11:23:13 AM  

enad58: Isn't it ironic that MAD is the greatest peacekeeper we could imagine?


Now that IS irony. For all the handwringing, nuclear weapons have prevented Great Powers from engaging in a major war since the close of WWII. And if you think about it, that's astonishing.
 
2010-07-08 11:26:04 AM  

Thunderpipes: slothMD: Fuggin Bizzy: I'm not a military man nor a student of history, but I suspect with some imagination there were other alternatives available besides "invade" and "nuke."

Quite a few.
1) Step up the conventional and incendiary bombing.

would kill even more people. You do know how many died in just the Feb 24, 1945 firebombing of Tokyo, right? More than in either atom bomb

2) Starve them out.

Kill more people, more slowly

3) Accept the surrender offers on the table.

and then we might have had to do it all over again

4) Keep doing what we were doing for a few months.

More people killed, and still no way to bring them to their knees, why?>

What we did was the most effective in saving lives, both Japanese and allies, period.


You keep saying those options would kill more people, but just Japanese people. If you think we gave a rat's ass about Japanese lives to the extent that we would modify military strategy to protect them, you're sorely mistaken. This was the 1940s, not the 1990s - our military had not yet adopted tactics that minimized civilian lives even at the expense of our own. We carpet-bombed *FRENCH* territory, for fark's sake. Sure, we were aiming to hurt the Germans, but did it stop us from bombing the fark out of the Frenchies? Hell, no. I guarantee that not one top military planner ever started out a conversation, "I've found a way to accomplish our goals without killing as many enemy civilians..." fark, half our leaders wanted to just eradicate the Germans and Japanese and be done with it.
 
2010-07-08 11:26:13 AM  

Fark it lets go bowling: Thunderpipes: Fark it lets go bowling:

Your ignorance is astounding.

Care to debate? Of course not, you are a liberal wienie. How many times just in my lifetime have I had to listen to people crying gloom and doom about the South African Tree Frog or some other critter in danger that will end all life on Earth? And yet, we always seem to manage, huh?

I don't give a fark about sea turtles. They could dissapear for ever and nobody but turtle loving homos would even notice. Quit crying over spilled milk.

Ok so you're also saying fark the hundreds of thousands of people along the gulf coast who have lost their livelihoods. They don't matter they and their families have only been working in the fishing industry for generations but fark 'em they don't matter.


Well, sort of. Would you care so much if someone lost their job in say, Vermont? We are losing our dairy farms which are even older in many cases than Gulf industries. Are people crying about it?

They matter, just not any more than anyone else, or are they special and beter than everyone else?
 
2010-07-08 11:27:18 AM  

Fark it lets go bowling:

Ok so you're also saying fark the hundreds of thousands of people along the gulf coast who have lost their livelihoods. They don't matter they and their families have only been working in the fishing industry for generations but fark 'em they don't matter.


He's saying that white trash idiot tuff guy is his Fark troll persona and you're on the hook.
 
2010-07-08 11:27:59 AM  

Third rate whore in Toronto: If US only used that money on health care you'd be the healthiest nation on earth instead you exploded the most nukes. USA USA USA you are NUMBER ONE RA RA RA


Those nukes kept your third world crap hole sovereign too. So what is your excuse for your punchline of a healthcare system?
 
2010-07-08 11:28:15 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Nightsweat: Left off the mystery nuke in 1979 at Vela - likely a joint Israeli/South African bomb.

Came for this. Bears repeating.


Actually, it was most likely a "zoo event", not an actual nuclear detonation.

In any case, it was not unambiguously a nuclear detonation, therefore shouldn't be included until it is definitively classified as such (perhaps through the release of South African/Israeli records).
 
2010-07-08 11:28:38 AM  
Dear God, does America love blowing shiat up.
 
2010-07-08 11:28:52 AM  

Third rate whore in Toronto: If US only used that money on health care you'd be the healthiest nation on earth instead you exploded the most nukes. USA USA USA you are NUMBER ONE RA RA RA


You're nothing but a third rate whore in Toronto.
 
2010-07-08 11:30:59 AM  

canyoneer: mod3072: "So, we nuked ourselves over 1000 times. I live in the mid-west, and virtually everyone I know who has died over the years died from one form of cancer or another. I wonder if it's a coincidence?"

In the Midwest? The breadbasket of the world? I'd say all the millions of tons of pesticides and herbicides that have been splooshed all over the place are the more likely culprits.


Yeah, I suppose that doesn't help much either.
 
2010-07-08 11:31:44 AM  

Flab: testbenchdude: //Never seen a world map with US in the middle, although I'm sure they exists somewhere.

Let me introduce you to this little known web site


I'm not sure, but I think that map opens up with your home town in the middle of it no matter where on earth you live. Like it recognizes you by your IP address and starts you off with a "you are here". But, I could be wrong.
 
2010-07-08 11:31:58 AM  

howdyyall9999: Third rate whore in Toronto: If US only used that money on health care you'd be the healthiest nation on earth instead you exploded the most nukes. USA USA USA you are NUMBER ONE RA RA RA

Those nukes kept your third world crap hole sovereign too. So what is your excuse for your punchline of a healthcare system?


Its clearly because we do not pay enough taxes.
 
2010-07-08 11:33:46 AM  

PatientZero: rwfan: That is 2053 nuclear explosions and the world survived. Add to that one farktacularly irresponsible reactor accident and the world survived. Perhaps the hysteria surrounding nuclear energy is a bit overblown?

I hope you know, those 2053 explosions didn't all happen at the same time, like they would in a nuclear war...



...and most likely above ground. Quite unlike the vast majority of those on that map.

Underground nuke tests (around 75% of all blasts) were required to test the yields of newer weapons, determine the rate of degradation of the older ones, create means for detecting other nations secretly testing nukes, etc.

Everyone wringing their hands anxiously over 2000+ nuke explosions can feel free to get a grip. The last above ground explosion was 30 years ago now in China. The last time either the US or USSR popped one above ground was nearly 50 years ago (1962).

Srsly. No big deal. You want something to worry about? Consider that there are at least 11 more RBMK type reactors still operating in Russia. Yeah, same type (1950's Soviet design) as Chernobyl except now they get to run under the even less funded Russian government. They can't afford to build new ones to replace them and they need the electricity they generate even more. Just 11 or so timebombs a-ticking...
 
2010-07-08 11:34:07 AM  

slothMD: fark, half our leaders wanted to just eradicate the Germans and Japanese and be done with it.


No that was just Patton and MacArthur.
 
2010-07-08 11:35:01 AM  

kvinesknows: go ahead.. find proof that Israel has them.


Dimona/Negev Nuclear Research Center

Israel will never admit to having nukes and for good cause, but thinking Israel is going to sit there and wait for Iran to become nuclear armed is just asinine.
 
2010-07-08 11:36:22 AM  
What, no 100 Suns? For shame, Fark.

Get it - great coffee table book, and especially useful as a conversation piece. Especially when you bring a woman back home.

Actually, maybe you should hide it when doing that.

Amazon Link (new window)
 
2010-07-08 11:36:41 AM  

Nightsweat: slothMD: fark, half our leaders wanted to just eradicate the Germans and Japanese and be done with it.

No that was just Patton and MacArthur.


Tends to happen when you have seen what those men saw. Auschwitz and the Bataan Death March showed an ugly side of those people that you or I cannot even fathom.

Patton wanted to go after the Russians as well. Might have been a good idea.
 
2010-07-08 11:36:42 AM  
Wilhelm Reich in Hell?
 
2010-07-08 11:38:40 AM  

Thunderpipes:
I don't give a fark about sea turtles. They could dissapear for ever and nobody but turtle loving homos would even notice. Quit crying over spilled milk.

Well, sort of. Would you care so much if someone lost their job in say, Vermont? We are losing our dairy farms which are even older in many cases than Gulf industries. Are people crying about it?

They matter, just not any more than anyone else, or are they special and beter than everyone else?


The dairy farms are selling out because there's too much milk production to support a milk price high enough for profitability. It's basic supply and demand. If the farms are valuable as tourist bait or to maintain the "Vermont Lifestyle" the money to keep them open needs to come from somewhere else than milk.

Thanks, but my taxes are high enough. I don't need to look at cows any more than you need to look at sea turtles. The state shouldn't keep them on artificial life support.

If the farms can diversify, more power to them. Boyden's, across the river from me, switched from dairy to beef and wine and an occasional concert for the tourists. They seem to be doing okay.
 
2010-07-08 11:38:43 AM  

ATTENTION: Flab: testbenchdude: //Never seen a world map with US in the middle, although I'm sure they exists somewhere.

Let me introduce you to this little known web site

I'm not sure, but I think that map opens up with your home town in the middle of it no matter where on earth you live. Like it recognizes you by your IP address and starts you off with a "you are here". But, I could be wrong.


No, I take that back. It's actually the earth map repeated 4 times and in each one the center is exactly 0' lattitude and 0' longitude.
 
2010-07-08 11:38:44 AM  

canyoneer: there is zero threat to humans 10 generations down the road.


We're not 10 generations down the road yet, so you say there's a nonzero threat to us right now, correct? Did you just admit that?
 
2010-07-08 11:38:47 AM  

Nightsweat: slothMD: fark, half our leaders wanted to just eradicate the Germans and Japanese and be done with it.

No that was just Patton and MacArthur.


And Churchill, who thought we should keep on marching right through Germany towards Moscow.
 
2010-07-08 11:39:54 AM  

b2e44: kvinesknows: go ahead.. find proof that Israel has them.

Dimona/Negev Nuclear Research Center

Israel will never admit to having nukes and for good cause, but thinking Israel is going to sit there and wait for Iran to become nuclear armed is just asinine.


so no proof they have them then eh?


:)
 
2010-07-08 11:40:10 AM  
ATTENTION: Like it recognizes you by your IP address and starts you off with a "you are here". But, I could be wrong.

No it doesn't. It starts with the lower 48 centered on the screen. Coffeeville, KS (new window) is apparently the center of Google's Universe.

My own location is in the upper right corner of the screen.
 
2010-07-08 11:40:19 AM  
Visiting Hiroshima and its incredible Peace Park on a gorgeous spring day last year was a wonderful and deeply moving experience.

/especially the atomic bomb museum
//and the place where we ate okonomiyaki till we could barely walk
///life goes on
 
2010-07-08 11:43:16 AM  

Flab: No it doesn't. It starts with the lower 48 centered on the screen. Coffeeville, KS (new window) is apparently the center of Google's Universe.

My own location is in the upper right corner of the screen.


Yeah, but if you zoom out, the center of the actual map is 0'lat/0'lon.
 
2010-07-08 11:44:01 AM  

Mishno:

The dairy farms are selling out because there's too much milk production to support a milk price high enough for profitability. It's basic supply and demand. If the farms are valuable as tourist bait or to maintain the "Vermont Lifestyle" the money to keep them open needs to come from somewhere else than milk.

Thanks, but my taxes are high enough. I don't need to look at cows any more than you need to look at sea turtles. The state shouldn't keep them on artificial life support.

If the farms can diversify, more power to them. Boyden's, across the river from me, switched from dairy to beef and wine and an occasional concert for the tourists. They seem to be doing okay.


I agree. My argument is that disaster, market forces, anything can make a person or an entire industry or region change. I don't believe anyone deserves special protections while others who may lose jobs at no fault of their own don't.

Oil spill sucks, really sucks. Do I think everyone in the Gulf deserves handouts beyond typical unemployment? No. Same reason I don't think 9/11 victim's families should have got multi-million dollar pay offs.

Someone losing a job to an oil spill or having a family member die in a terrorist attack are not any more worthy of support than the IT guy in Pigsknuckle, Arkansas who loses his job or his loving father who drops dead from a heart attack.

Farkers typically hate anyone who receives inheritance, right? How many fishermen got their boats handed to them by their fathers? How many farmers got their land from their fathers? Isn't that evil according to Fark, and the government should seize all their assets?
 
2010-07-08 11:44:18 AM  
I was born in late 1966 with a birth defect in my left foot. Seeing the # of US detonations in 1965 and 1966 gives me pause (or paws as is nearly the case).
 
2010-07-08 11:45:09 AM  
He used yellow to represent the Chinese?

thatswacist.gif
 
2010-07-08 11:45:49 AM  

Nightsweat: No that was just Patton and MacArthur.


And Churchill and FDR.
 
2010-07-08 11:47:15 AM  

firemarth: Dear God, does America love blowing shiat up.


Indeed. Lets not forget Dresden.

The bombing of Dresden by the Royal Air Force and the United States Army Air Force between 13 February and 15 February 1945, remains one of the more controversial Allied actions of the Western European theatre of war. The inner city of Dresden was largely destroyed by 800 RAF and USAAF bombers that dropped 650,000 incendiaries and 8,000 pounds (3,600 kg) of high explosives and hundreds of 4,000 pounds (1,800 kg) bombs[13] in three waves of attacks. Early reports estimated 150,000 to 250,000 deaths but the German Dresden Historians' Commission in an official 2010 report published after five years of research concluded that there were up to 25,000 civilian casualties.[14]

Link (new window)
 
2010-07-08 11:47:15 AM  

paydayperx: Hatties


Kraftwerk is saying "Harrisburg"

Chernobyl...Harrisburg...Sellafield...Hiroshima...

/kraftnerd
 
2010-07-08 11:47:43 AM  

you have pee hands: And Churchill, who thought we should keep on marching right through Germany towards Moscow.


Hell, Churchill kinda wanted to feed arms to both the Russians and Germans so they would kill each other off.
 
2010-07-08 11:48:29 AM  

firemarth: love blo


Everybody loves blowing shiat up. America can afford to.
 
2010-07-08 11:49:15 AM  
I think that video is how John Williams made first contact with the aliens.

/comment section tl;dr, not sure if referenced
 
2010-07-08 11:50:55 AM  

Third rate whore in Toronto: If US only used that money on health care you'd be the healthiest nation on earth instead you exploded the most nukes. USA USA USA you are NUMBER ONE RA RA RA


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I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
 
2010-07-08 11:54:21 AM  
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"The release of atom power has changed everything except our way of thinking...the solution to this problem lies in the heart of mankind. If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker."
 
2010-07-08 11:54:21 AM  

Thunderpipes: Schlock: Thunderpipes: Why I also laugh at people who think the Gulf oil spill is some world changing event. In the overall scheme of things, it is an absolute zero impact event.

Agreed, but it's not really part of human nature to think of things on a scale long beyond our own lifespans, and I don't really think you can fault people for that.

I agree. I am one, however, that thinks a full scale nuclear war would actually be very good for humanity (not so much for the people who die in it), and the Earth. Our population is growing at a rate that eventually will demand too many resources. A large nuclear war would cull that somewhat, and it would also allow more physically robust people a greater advantage so we could clean up the gene pool.

Plus...super mutants...


We don't have too many people for our resources. We just don't utilize them wisely. There is plenty of room, food, etc. It is politics, governments and good old greed that create our issues.
 
2010-07-08 11:54:31 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: I suspect with some imagination there were other alternatives available besides "invade" and "nuke."



No. There wasn't.

Consider that the United States, at the time, was counting up around 600,000 dead between the two world wars so far that century. We didn't do any substantial fighting in our country but had still go to enjoy those casualty figures because the rest of the farkin' planet just couldn't seem to find a better hobby.

By the time the bombs were dropped we:

- had seen what the Japanese intent to defend the home islands was from the Battle of Okinawa
- were aware of the orchestrated genocide of the Nazis
- saw the coming menace of communism
- had already begun to plan the reconstruction of the planet by founding the UN and meeting at Bretton Woods to establish the postwar economic monetary and financial order

In short, for a country whose general policy prior to the 20th century was to stay out of the affairs of most of the rest of the world, we were pretty damned sick of getting pulled into two world wars and saw the clear ramifications and potential of a third one.

WW1 was bad so Wilson introduced the League of Nations idea so the rest of the planet might make like civilized folk and not war on each other once per generation. That failed.

WW2 was much worse and taking the example of WW1 and the League of Nations failure to heart, the US endeavored to end the war on a solid "stop f*cking around" message to the rest of the planet and simultaneously introduced the UN, a stable post-war economic framework and later the Marshall Plan to try and avert WW3.

Invading Japan was estimated to result in anywhere from half a million to a million Allied casualties and around 5 times that amount in Japanese military and civilian casualties. So, in the coldest calculation possible, it was decided that 200,000 casualties and an end to the war was preferable to 5-6 million casualties and an end to the war. Throw in the introduction of a weapon of such power as to truly make future leaders think hard about another world war and you have your answer.
 
2010-07-08 11:55:58 AM  

thetubameister: How is there anything left of the US Southwest?!?!?


Because, contrary to popular belief, nuclear explosions aren't hundreds of miles wide. A hurricane would leave more devistation (but less radiation).
 
2010-07-08 11:57:07 AM  
ATTENTION: Yeah, but if you zoom out, the center of the actual map is 0'lat/0'lon.

No. The center of the image moves down to the Equator, but remains at Coffeeville's longitude.
 
2010-07-08 11:57:55 AM  

Flab: testbenchdude: //Never seen a world map with US in the middle, although I'm sure they exists somewhere.

Let me introduce you to this little known web site


Google Maps's default view is of the US, I'll give you that, but that doesn't count. You'd have a valid point if it showed the rest of the world as well.
 
2010-07-08 12:06:39 PM  

ATTENTION: Yeah, but if you zoom out, the center of the actual map is 0'lat/0'lon.


And that's where Colonel Bleep lives!
 
2010-07-08 12:07:03 PM  

Thunderpipes: Nightsweat: slothMD: fark, half our leaders wanted to just eradicate the Germans and Japanese and be done with it.

No that was just Patton and MacArthur.

Tends to happen when you have seen what those men saw. Auschwitz and the Bataan Death March showed an ugly side of those people that you or I cannot even fathom.

Patton wanted to go after the Russians as well. Might have been a good idea.


Except Patton was ready before he left Britain.
 
2010-07-08 12:07:54 PM  

slothMD: Nightsweat: No that was just Patton and MacArthur.

And Churchill and FDR.


Decidedly NOT FDR.
 
2010-07-08 12:08:52 PM  
testbenchdude: You'd have a valid point if it showed the rest of the world as well.

Zoom out. Or use the link in the post right above yours.
 
2010-07-08 12:10:20 PM  
BOOM SHA-LOCK-LOCK BOOM!!!
 
2010-07-08 12:10:24 PM  

Flab: testbenchdude: //Never seen a world map with US in the middle, although I'm sure they exists somewhere.

Let me introduce you to this little known web site


that's not a 'world map'.. fcol. that's a map of the country the viewer of google is located.

almost all world maps produced in the US have northern hemisphere on top, western hemisphere to the left.

US is usually 'top left'..
 
2010-07-08 12:13:00 PM  
tulant Dwarf 2010-07-08 09:28:00 AM
Isn't it ironic that the nation most concerned with stopping other countries from having nukes, the USA, is the only country to have ever deployed the weapons against another sovereign nation?



No, it isn't. But thanks for playing...
 
2010-07-08 12:14:14 PM  
Patton on Russians. Could not ask for a more colorful quote:

The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinese or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other amiable characteristics, the Russian has no regard for human life and they are all out sons-of-biatches, barbarians, and chronic drunks.

Guy was awesome.
 
2010-07-08 12:16:42 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Nightsweat: Left off the mystery nuke in 1979 at Vela - likely a joint Israeli/South African bomb.

Came for this. Bears repeating.


Yep.

Was hoping to see a new player: " ??? - 1"
 
2010-07-08 12:17:01 PM  
More proof that humans are schizophrenic monkeys.

Is it just me that finds this all extremely disguising? Or do you guys get it but your base instinct tells you to ignore it or in other words you say to yourself "F*ck it"?
 
2010-07-08 12:17:37 PM  
pixeled: that's not a 'world map'.. fcol.

Are you a former Miss South-Carolina contestant? It IS a world map, albeit zoomed in around the "Lower 48" portion of the US.

that's a map of the country the viewer of google is located.

Wrong. The Google map is centered around Coffeeville, KS, even for me whose current location is not in the US. If you were right, it would be centered at Baker Lake, Nunavut, for me.
 
2010-07-08 12:22:21 PM  
Better (new window)
 
2010-07-08 12:25:12 PM  

OrelupM: I'm just wondering where the people claiming "maps in america show america in the center" live. While I remember some maps like that (usually they reference something about the US), most of the maps I see have europe in the center, and the US to the right and Hawaii barely even on the map.


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The Cartographers for Social Equality would like to have a word with you.
 
2010-07-08 12:28:39 PM  

slothMD: PatientZero: I hope you know, those 2053 explosions didn't all happen at the same time, like they would in a nuclear war...

So...if every one of those tests had occurred simultaneously, how would you say that the outcome would be different?


The big difference is nukes used in war will detonate above-ground. Most tests were performed underground. The US & USSR agreed to stop above-ground tests in 1963.

/I know, my response has nothing to do with simultaneous detonations.
 
2010-07-08 12:29:51 PM  

Mishno: Boyden's, across the river from me, switched from dairy to beef and wine and an occasional concert for the tourists. They seem to be doing okay.


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I swear they did that just to piss me off.
 
2010-07-08 12:36:31 PM  

snobordr: OrelupM: I'm just wondering where the people claiming "maps in america show america in the center" live. While I remember some maps like that (usually they reference something about the US), most of the maps I see have europe in the center, and the US to the right and Hawaii barely even on the map.

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The Cartographers for Social Equality would like to have a word with you.


Clearly that map is wrong: It puts the bulk of landmass and population on the bottom of the map.

The planet has a northern-hemisphere bias - get used to it :)
 
2010-07-08 12:38:44 PM  
"We've already done over 500 tests and the thing clearly blows up extremely well - explain to me why we need to continue funding your project."

"We have had great success with our original product line, but I have two words for you - mint flavor.
 
2010-07-08 12:39:48 PM  
"Eiko Taoka, then 21, was one of nearly 100 passengers said to have been on board a streetcar that had left Hiroshima Station at a little after 8:00 a.m. and was in a Hatchobori area, 750 m from ground zero, when the bomb fell. Taoka was heading for Funairi with her one year old son to secure wagon in preparation for her move out of the building which was to be evacuated. At 8:15, as the streetcar approached Hatchobori Station, an intense flash and blast engulfed the car, instantly setting it on fire. Taoka's son died of radiation sickness on August 28. The survival of only ten people on the streetcar have been confirmed to date.

When we were near in Hatchobori and since I had been holding my son in my arms, the young woman in front of me said, 'I will be getting off here. Please take this seat.' We were just changing places when there was a strange smell and sound. It suddenly became dark and before I knew it, I had jumped outside.... I held [my son] firmly and looked down on him. He had been standing by the window and I think fragments of glass had pierced his head. His face was a mess because of the blood flowing from his head. But he looked at my face and smiled. His smile has remained glued in my memory. He did not comprehend what had happened. And so he looked at me and smiled at my face which was all bloody. I had plenty of milk which he drank all throughout that day. I think my child sucked the poison right out of my body. And soon after that he died. Yes, I think that he died for me."

Link (new window)
 
2010-07-08 12:39:55 PM  
Absolutely crazy pissing contest. It's amazing the world is still livable.
 
2010-07-08 12:40:57 PM  
If you ever have the opportunity, take the free Nevada Test Site tour. It's well worth the day:

Link (new window)
 
2010-07-08 12:42:02 PM  

craig328: PatientZero: rwfan: That is 2053 nuclear explosions and the world survived. Add to that one farktacularly irresponsible reactor accident and the world survived. Perhaps the hysteria surrounding nuclear energy is a bit overblown?

I hope you know, those 2053 explosions didn't all happen at the same time, like they would in a nuclear war...


...and most likely above ground. Quite unlike the vast majority of those on that map.

Underground nuke tests (around 75% of all blasts) were required to test the yields of newer weapons, determine the rate of degradation of the older ones, create means for detecting other nations secretly testing nukes, etc.

Everyone wringing their hands anxiously over 2000+ nuke explosions can feel free to get a grip. The last above ground explosion was 30 years ago now in China. The last time either the US or USSR popped one above ground was nearly 50 years ago (1962).

Srsly. No big deal. You want something to worry about? Consider that there are at least 11 more RBMK type reactors still operating in Russia. Yeah, same type (1950's Soviet design) as Chernobyl except now they get to run under the even less funded Russian government. They can't afford to build new ones to replace them and they need the electricity they generate even more. Just 11 or so timebombs a-ticking...


It's scary but I'm going to keep worrying about the idea that there are(at least) 7000 active warheads, most of which are owned by the US or Russia. Russia which doesn't have the money or resources to properly secure their weapons and the US which keeps most of their active arsenal on Ohio class ballistic missile submarines, 5 and 6 warheads at a time on top of ICBM'S in multiple re-entry vehicles(basically the very definition of a first-strike weapon). And also several dozen in the hands of Pakistan, India and North Korea.
 
2010-07-08 12:42:24 PM  
How about 1998 to present day? It appears that testing really slacked off in the 1990's.
 
2010-07-08 12:45:34 PM  

Flab: pixeled: that's not a 'world map'.. fcol.

Are you a former Miss South-Carolina contestant? It IS a world map, albeit zoomed in around the "Lower 48" portion of the US.

that's a map of the country the viewer of google is located.

Wrong. The Google map is centered around Coffeeville, KS, even for me whose current location is not in the US. If you were right, it would be centered at Baker Lake, Nunavut, for me.


ffs, go to maps.google.ca and it's centered on Canada. maps.google.fr is centered on France. maps.google.co.uk is centered on the UK. Need I go on?
 
2010-07-08 12:46:43 PM  
Better question people should really ask is simply -- "how am I in danger of any type from nuclear weapons?"

Answer for most people is absolutely none whatsoever. It is just something to worry about for no reason.
 
2010-07-08 12:46:56 PM  

Beer It's What's For Dinner: The big difference is nukes used in war will detonate above-ground. Most tests were performed underground.


Correct.

Beer It's What's For Dinner: /I know, my response has nothing to do with simultaneous detonations.


At least it was a thoughtful response :)
 
2010-07-08 12:48:39 PM  
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Result of excessive thermonuclear explosive testing.
 
2010-07-08 12:49:27 PM  

baddogg: Absolutely crazy pissing contest. It's amazing the world is still livable.


It's amazing that the ISS doesn't just fall on our heads.

No, wait, those are both just the natural result of the laws of the universe...
 
2010-07-08 12:50:56 PM  

cdipierr: take the free Nevada Test Site tour.


Thanks for the tip!
 
2010-07-08 12:52:17 PM  
nuke the whales
 
2010-07-08 12:54:57 PM  

slimfast: How about 1998 to present day? It appears that testing really slacked off in the 1990's.


The military got bored. I suppose once you've detonated 1000 nukes you've detonated them all.
 
2010-07-08 12:55:40 PM  

Cthulhu Theory: slimfast: How about 1998 to present day? It appears that testing really slacked off in the 1990's.

The military got bored. I suppose once you've detonated 1000 nukes you've detonated them all.


Wilt Chamberlain disagrees.
 
2010-07-08 12:57:08 PM  

Beer It's What's For Dinner: ffs, go to maps.google.ca and it's centered on Canada. maps.google.fr is centered on France. maps.google.co.uk is centered on the UK. Need I go on?


And the map is centered at 0'lattitude and 0'longitude. The zoom in starting point has nothing to do with where the map starts or ends. Zoom out proves this.

FYI, Coffeeville, KS is the center of the USA, that is why the zoom in takes you there.
 
2010-07-08 12:59:31 PM  
Not long long ago on a far off planet, in the Senate McCartney gained power and blasted the communist rebels. At a secret base Oppenheimer developed a death star to crush the Japanese alliance. After the plans for the death star was smuggled to the USSR the empires built their improved radio active monstrosities and started the nuclear test war. Master Lucus and later President Reagan told the world of their "Star Wars" visions and gave new hope to the masses. Captive on a planet near a moon Princess Diana was betrayed by the British Empire Dark Lord Charles then her pilot crashed her Mercedes-Benz w140 fighter while taking heavy fire from the paparazzi and antidepressants. Ralph "Darth" Nader advocated for the consumer but turned to on them and claimed "The consumer must be protected at times from his own indiscretion and vanity." It was dark times across the land during cloning and oil wars as Dark Lord Cheney pulled the strings of the fear monger Bush. The red leaders were angry about reports of exported lead paint on toys and imported GM grain as they battled with Googles. Obamawan seduced the capitalist tricks the weak minds to think that mandatory over priced insurance is affordable health care while he delayed it's start until he can make his escape.
Episode v Return Of The Independent Candidates With A Vengeance
 
2010-07-08 12:59:33 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Thanks for the tip!


What is, "What the hooker said to the leper?"
 
2010-07-08 1:06:18 PM  

slothMD: What is, "What the hooker said to the leper?"


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thanks for the laugh...I needed it.
 
2010-07-08 1:09:02 PM  

dittybopper: Mishno: Boyden's, across the river from me, switched from dairy to beef and wine and an occasional concert for the tourists. They seem to be doing okay.

I swear they did that just to piss me off.


Their fireworks after the concerts pisses the cats off, that's for sure.
 
2010-07-08 1:16:01 PM  

Get_Bored: Nuclear Launch Detected...


Farking ghosts.
 
2010-07-08 1:17:08 PM  

Thunderpipes: Pretty humbling to think that the largest man made explosion ever was only 50 megatons or so. Puny compared to a good sized volcanic eruption and absoutely dwarfed by asteroid impacts such as the Chixulub event which I believe was 150 million megatons. This is why I chuckle when people get all "we all would die from a nuclear war" crap. Pinprick would be the end result.

Tzar Bomba (new window)


rwfan: That is 2053 nuclear explosions and the world survived. Add to that one farktacularly irresponsible reactor accident and the world survived. Perhaps the hysteria surrounding nuclear energy is a bit overblown?


No. Just no.

Why it's bad to set off thousands of bombs at once over cities. (new window)
 
2010-07-08 1:18:37 PM  

Thunderpipes: Cross breed a sea manatee with a tiger, and all the Gulf problems are solved. A large sea mammal that is aggressive and strong, and strong in magic, we are all set.

The funny thing is, maybe not in our lifetimes, but probably fairly soon, we will be able to engineer creatures that thrive anywhere. They are already working on algae that should be able to eat oil and poop oxygen. No reason we should not be able to engineer critters or even people that thrive on what today are pollutants.

Imagine a person that did well in radiation and could eat oil spill as a vitamin boost? What would people cry about then?


Read "The People of Sand and Slag" by Paolo Bacigalupi. It's not a nice world.
 
2010-07-08 1:19:36 PM  

kyleaugustus: Why it's bad to set off thousands of bombs at once over cities. (new window)



wait a minute.. nuclear winter? How many to create a nuclear fall? Would that be sufficient to combat "global warming"?
 
2010-07-08 1:21:16 PM  

tuxbabe: I think this explains Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas. They're downwind from all that nuclear fallout.


And yet, they still exhibit less stupid than contained in your comment.
 
2010-07-08 1:31:41 PM  

thetubameister: How is there anything left of the US Southwest?!?!?


Humans have a hard time reconciling scale, sometimes. I direct you to the folks who are convinced that the BP rig leak is going to kill everything in the Atlantic Ocean.

Compared to humans, the earth is really big. Even setting off nuclear explosions is a pittance compared to us, and, frankly, the only thing in nature that really gives a rats ass is humans. The zone of exclusion around Chernobyl, as an example, is well-stocked with flora and fauna.
 
2010-07-08 1:32:07 PM  
at least half of those nukes exploding were in Ed Wood movies
 
2010-07-08 1:34:46 PM  

Knara: thetubameister: How is there anything left of the US Southwest?!?!?

Humans have a hard time reconciling scale, sometimes. I direct you to the folks who are convinced that the BP rig leak is going to kill everything in the Atlantic Ocean.

Compared to humans, the earth is really big. Even setting off nuclear explosions is a pittance compared to us, and, frankly, the only thing in nature that really gives a rats ass is humans. The zone of exclusion around Chernobyl, as an example, is well-stocked with flora and fauna.


Previously endangered species are even back and doing great in the area. Life is better for them since Chernobyl.
 
2010-07-08 1:37:01 PM  
Reminds me of this (new window)

I'm not sure which is more disturbing.
 
2010-07-08 1:39:31 PM  

dittybopper: We'll meet again,
don't know where,
don't know when....


This thread is relevant to my interests...

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2010-07-08 1:39:42 PM  

slimfast: Result of excessive thermonuclear explosive testing.


about time someone posted that...though I never understood why they sound like a rainforest..
 
2010-07-08 1:43:04 PM  

What Plants Crave: Reminds me of this (new window)

I'm not sure which is more disturbing.


I'd like to see one of these for Starbucks. Anyone?
 
2010-07-08 1:43:40 PM  
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Link (new window)
 
2010-07-08 1:45:12 PM  
I can't believe that I wasted my time on this.
 
2010-07-08 1:47:42 PM  

Schlock: Pope Larry II: dittybopper: Schlock: Pope Larry II: It looks like both the USSR and the USA bombed the hell out of themsevles. I wonder if, in the long run, that will be worse than an actual war.

England tested in Australia and the US and France tested in Algeria (or close to it). These things are new to me.

Bikini Atoll, I believe

I prefer No Bikini Atoll.

I believe I am missing some key punctuation...let's try that again.

UK tested in Australia and the US. France tested in Algeria.

And I was saying that they tested at a place called Bikini Atoll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini_Atoll

But apparently France was also using Polynesia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#Pa​cific_exp e riments_center_.281966.E2.80.931996.29


The animation appears to ahow France's first two tests took place in Africa, and I assumed it was Algeria. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction (part way down the page). and apprently 17 were done there. The rest were in the Pacific as you noted.
 
2010-07-08 1:59:50 PM  

kvinesknows: kyleaugustus: Why it's bad to set off thousands of bombs at once over cities. (new window)


wait a minute.. nuclear winter? How many to create a nuclear fall? Would that be sufficient to combat "global warming"?


And, if we select our targets carefully it will end overpopulation and the starving poor too!
 
2010-07-08 2:02:30 PM  

Mishno: kvinesknows: kyleaugustus: Why it's bad to set off thousands of bombs at once over cities. (new window)


wait a minute.. nuclear winter? How many to create a nuclear fall? Would that be sufficient to combat "global warming"?

And, if we select our targets carefully it will end overpopulation and the starving poor too!


can I get high five?
 
2010-07-08 2:11:34 PM  
So What?

Might as well plot all the fires that have been started in that period of time.

It's not the fire, it's how it's used. So by learning about fire we have BBQ.

It's not the bomb, it's how it's used. So by learning about Nucelear Power we have electricity, "Nuclear Wessels", and all the Physics we know that we didnt before.
 
2010-07-08 2:14:33 PM  
Another one that was missing was Crimson Jihad blowing up a nuke in the Florida Keys

"you're fired!"
 
2010-07-08 2:15:04 PM  

cdipierr: If you ever have the opportunity, take the free Nevada Test Site tour. It's well worth the day:

Link (new window)


Meh.

Why not visit the spot where the first one was detonated instead?

Trinity Site (new window)

(It's only open twice a year to the public)
 
2010-07-08 2:15:14 PM  

Molavian: Petulant Dwarf: Isn't it ironic that the nation most concerned with stopping other countries from having nukes, the USA, is the only country to have ever deployed the weapons against another sovereign nation?

Maybe we're the only ones that truly understand the consequences of doing so.


No, I'd have to say that goes to the Japanese. The whole detail of "being farkin' nuked" sorta sways it in their direction a bit.
 
2010-07-08 2:19:00 PM  
It just goes to show that guns (and nuclear bombs) force people to respect you!
 
2010-07-08 2:23:00 PM  
I like this version better: Link
 
2010-07-08 2:29:43 PM  
Beer It's What's For Dinner: ffs, go to maps.google.ca and it's centered on Canada.

Why do you think I used .com. TestBenchDude said he had never seen a map centered on the US. I showed him one. Had he asked for a map centered on Burkina-Faso, I would have shown him one, centered there.

ATTENTION: And the map is centered at 0'lattitude and 0'longitude.

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No, it's not. (Neither is maps.google.jp or maps.google.br, by the way)
 
2010-07-08 2:35:02 PM  

LewDux: Link (new window)


nice rope tricks on that shot.
 
2010-07-08 2:35:53 PM  

Flab: No, it's not.


LOL!!!!!

No wonder, that looks nothing like what I see when I click on the link.

I would show you but I don't know how. I tried to do a "Prnt Scrn", but I can't get it into a format that I can upload to photobucket.
 
2010-07-08 2:41:55 PM  

ATTENTION: No wonder, that looks nothing like what I see when I click on the link.


Oh, you got it on "satellite". If you click on "map" and zoom out all the way you will see what I am talking about.
 
2010-07-08 2:43:16 PM  

loki see loki do: I like how his world map has Japan at the center of the world.

Nationalist douchbaggery, even at a subliminal level, exists everywhere.


Considering there seemed to be no tests in the Atlantic, it seems a logical place to split the map would be right down the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. This pretty much leaves the view he used. It's his map anyway, and you redo it however you see fit when you update it.

tdpatriots12: ...I'm deliberately avoiding the whole argument over whether or not the nuking of Japan was or wasn't a good idea - but the fact is when the US dropped the bomb there wasn't any catastrophic danger of the world coming to an end.


But another fact is before the trinity tests, they were not all so sure the atmosphere wouldn't ignite and toast us all. Pretty big risk, I'd say.
 
2010-07-08 2:46:08 PM  

Thunderpipes: Patton on Russians. Could not ask for a more colorful quote:

The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinese or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other amiable characteristics, the Russian has no regard for human life and they are all out sons-of-biatches, barbarians, and chronic drunks.

Guy was awesome.


That was a fabulous quote.
 
2010-07-08 2:46:19 PM  

dittybopper: H31N0US: Yngwie came out of nowhere with the most badass rock guitar solo I had ever heard.

And drifted right back into obscurity because the only people who cared about his wanking were other guitar players....


Funny...you know exactly who he is. Sorry his style of playing isn't to your liking.

Anyway this goddamn link won't work for me, so in my mind it looks like missile command.
 
2010-07-08 2:48:25 PM  

kibblesnbits: loki see loki do: I like how his world map has Japan at the center of the world.

Nationalist douchbaggery, even at a subliminal level, exists everywhere.

Considering there seemed to be no tests in the Atlantic, it seems a logical place to split the map would be right down the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. This pretty much leaves the view he used. It's his map anyway, and you redo it however you see fit when you update it.

tdpatriots12: ...I'm deliberately avoiding the whole argument over whether or not the nuking of Japan was or wasn't a good idea - but the fact is when the US dropped the bomb there wasn't any catastrophic danger of the world coming to an end.

But another fact is before the trinity tests, they were not all so sure the atmosphere wouldn't ignite and toast us all. Pretty big risk, I'd say.


And there are people who think the Super Collider is going to open a black hole. Pretty big risk, I'd say. In their mind, not reality.
 
2010-07-08 2:54:19 PM  
ATTENTION: Oh, you got it on "satellite". If you click on "map" and zoom out all the way you will see what I am talking about.

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Nyet.

But anyhoo... This is a stupid argument to be having.
 
2010-07-08 3:01:48 PM  
End of the cold war put some scientists out of work.
 
2010-07-08 3:02:55 PM  

Nightsweat: The big mistake there was hauling tons of contaminated sand back to the studio. It's also notable that most of the cancer deaths associated with that movie happened to be in heavy smokers, and that none of the deaths can be linked conclusively to Upshot Knothole.

91/220 is a pretty suggestive percentage of crew and cast to die from cancer, though.

What was the usual percentage in Hollywood, if one removes traumatic deaths from the list?

Looks like about 20-22% of Americans end up dying of cancer. This was double that.


What was the percentage in Hollywood.

Basically, what percentage of cast and crew typically died of cancer?
 
2010-07-08 3:05:28 PM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: dittybopper: We'll meet again,
don't know where,
don't know when....

This thread is relevant to my interests...


You win at least 1 internet for your name alone.

/love that flick
 
2010-07-08 3:09:50 PM  

Nightsweat: slothMD: fark, half our leaders wanted to just eradicate the Germans and Japanese and be done with it.

No that was just Patton and MacArthur.


I've got to question that, considering how much esteem Patton had for Rommel.
 
2010-07-08 3:15:13 PM  

Necropenguin:
And there are people who think the Super Collider is going to open a black hole. Pretty big risk, I'd say. In their mind, not reality.


I'm with you on that one. It had been proven over and over in smaller machines, with much more advanced knowledge in physics, high power simulations, etc, that that wouldn't happen. Plus those people so worried about the LHC weren't the very few who'd built it or even knew about it.

The LHC wasn't nearly the leap into the unknown as was the Trinity test.
 
2010-07-08 3:17:01 PM  

veryequiped: One blib on a map, however it doesn't show when the US collected all the natives from an island, told them they were helping the grand scheme for the greater good.

They then detonated a nuke on the island and put everyone back.

They completely tricked the tribes chief with gifts and lies, and he pimped the idea to the people.


That was Bikini IIRC. Those folks have been let back on then taken off that island a bunch of times.
 
2010-07-08 3:25:17 PM  
I saw this video last night at a friend's place and she was playing Abba on her stereo. It was kind of cool seeing a video on nuclear explosions while hearing the song Fernando in the background.
 
2010-07-08 3:26:28 PM  
Coffeyville, specifically a spot just north of Coffeyville Country Club, is the default center starting point of Google Maps, being the accidental center point of the default starting map being displayed, which shows the 48 contiguous United States.[9] Other locations that may be considered to be the geographic center of the contiguous United States are also in Kansas.
 
2010-07-08 3:35:13 PM  

slothMD: braedan: the bombs in Hiroshima & Nagasaki were dropped to force a surrender and prevent the loss of life (on both sides)

*cough*
No they weren't. They were dropped to send a warning to the Russians.
The Japanese had been trying to surrender for months.


*cough*
No they weren't. The Japanese had vowed to defend the emperor to the last man. We took "put the emperor on trial for war crimes" off the table and they surrendered within a week. Also Russia had just entered the war against Japan. Also the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were necessary preparations for the ground invasion of Japan, the atomic weapons used for that destruction served a double purpose as a warning to the Soviets.

It turns out that war is complicated, and looking to any one event as "ending the war" is the real misrepresentation of history.
 
2010-07-08 3:42:05 PM  

This text is now purple: Nightsweat: slothMD: fark, half our leaders wanted to just eradicate the Germans and Japanese and be done with it.

No that was just Patton and MacArthur.

I've got to question that, considering how much esteem Patton had for Rommel.


Patton did have respect for the German soldier and some of the leadership. He got in trouble for defending Germans after the war from abusive policies of the allies. he really had no love for the Russians. He did not fight the Japanese, but he probably would have kicked their asses in and then given them respect after the fact. Have to remember, at the time, there was serious Asian hatred, and for pretty good reason. Some of our propaganda films of the time about the evil "Japs" is pretty damn evil.

Patton was a pretty fantastic person, and his accomplishments are amazing. He was much more then just a WWII general. I just love how he was so open, honest, and blunt.
 
2010-07-08 3:51:56 PM  

Thunderpipes: Cross breed a sea manatee with a tiger, and all the Gulf problems are solved. A large sea mammal that is aggressive and strong, and strong in magic, we are all set.

The funny thing is, maybe not in our lifetimes, but probably fairly soon, we will be able to engineer creatures that thrive anywhere. They are already working on algae that should be able to eat oil and poop oxygen. No reason we should not be able to engineer critters or even people that thrive on what today are pollutants.

Imagine a person that did well in radiation and could eat oil spill as a vitamin boost? What would people cry about then?


My guess would be crying that assholes like you hadn't yet been engineered into extinction.
 
2010-07-08 4:01:45 PM  

Latinwolf: PatientZero: rwfan: That is 2053 nuclear explosions and the world survived. Add to that one farktacularly irresponsible reactor accident and the world survived. Perhaps the hysteria surrounding nuclear energy is a bit overblown?

I hope you know, those 2053 explosions didn't all happen at the same time, like they would in a nuclear war...

And a lot of those were done underground, not above ground like they would in a nuclear war. And they were also not done in populated areas, unlike what would happen in a nuclear war.


rwfan had already bolded the relevant segment once, but that doesn't seem to be enough, so here it is again.
Protip: Energy != War
A nuclear war would be a terrible thing, but is no reason to be afraid of a nuclear power plant. Two entirely separate things. And I also believe the hysteria over nuclear power is overblown.
 
2010-07-08 4:09:38 PM  
So the gist is that nations spent a lot of time talking about how they were going to nuke each other, yet spent the vast majority of their time nuking themselves.

Basically the cold war era superpowers are the guys at the bar wearing Ed Hardy shirts and spray tans.
 
2010-07-08 4:15:23 PM  

Thunderpipes: This text is now purple: Nightsweat: slothMD: fark, half our leaders wanted to just eradicate the Germans and Japanese and be done with it.

No that was just Patton and MacArthur.

I've got to question that, considering how much esteem Patton had for Rommel.

Patton did have respect for the German soldier and some of the leadership. He got in trouble for defending Germans after the war from abusive policies of the allies. he really had no love for the Russians. He did not fight the Japanese, but he probably would have kicked their asses in and then given them respect after the fact. Have to remember, at the time, there was serious Asian hatred, and for pretty good reason. Some of our propaganda films of the time about the evil "Japs" is pretty damn evil.

Patton was a pretty fantastic person, and his accomplishments are amazing. He was much more then just a WWII general. I just love how he was so open, honest, and blunt.


Read "Patton: A Genius for War" by Carlo "D'este.
 
2010-07-08 4:24:22 PM  

Nightsweat: a visitor from last year to the future of 100 years from now will wonder where all the fish went.


Don't kid yourself, they'd be wondering that if the gusher had never happened, too.
 
2010-07-08 4:46:08 PM  

Thunderpipes: Krakatoa is not a particularly large volcanic event. Have to remember we humans think in such incredibly small time fragments. It is just a matter of when a really large even occurs again. Yellowstone for instance, is really just one ginormous volcano waiting to happen. There was an eruption in what is now Russia long ago that lasted a million years or more.


Which lead to an extinction level even that killed off 90% of the planet

We think a hurricane is a major disaster, or the Haiti earthquake? Nothing compared to what will happen eventually. We could launch every single nuke we had, and many people would die. Earth, animals, and people would recover and go on quite fine. Would not even take as long as people think.

[Citation Needed]
 
2010-07-08 4:46:44 PM  

Mock26: Read "Patton: A Genius for War" by Carlo "D'este.


Found it in Google Books. My productivity is done for the day.
 
2010-07-08 4:49:39 PM  

Mock26: Thunderpipes: This text is now purple: Nightsweat: slothMD: fark, half our leaders wanted to just eradicate the Germans and Japanese and be done with it.

No that was just Patton and MacArthur.

I've got to question that, considering how much esteem Patton had for Rommel.

Patton did have respect for the German soldier and some of the leadership. He got in trouble for defending Germans after the war from abusive policies of the allies. he really had no love for the Russians. He did not fight the Japanese, but he probably would have kicked their asses in and then given them respect after the fact. Have to remember, at the time, there was serious Asian hatred, and for pretty good reason. Some of our propaganda films of the time about the evil "Japs" is pretty damn evil.

Patton was a pretty fantastic person, and his accomplishments are amazing. He was much more then just a WWII general. I just love how he was so open, honest, and blunt.

Read "Patton: A Genius for War" by Carlo "D'este.


Oh yes, that was a fine biography.

Patton is a more interesting and complex man than many would give him credit for.
 
2010-07-08 5:27:04 PM  

Flab: ATTENTION: Like it recognizes you by your IP address and starts you off with a "you are here". But, I could be wrong.

No it doesn't. It starts with the lower 48 centered on the screen. Coffeeville, KS (new window) is apparently the center of Google's Universe.

My own location is in the upper right corner of the screen.


It depends. At home it starts off that way, but on my PC at work, it starts off at my address because I did a destination search starting from there so it saved that.
 
2010-07-08 5:41:21 PM  

doubled99: tulant Dwarf 2010-07-08 09:28:00 AM
Isn't it ironic that the nation most concerned with stopping other countries from having nukes, the USA, is the only country to have ever deployed the weapons against another sovereign nation?


No, it isn't. But thanks for playing...


So you're saying that another country besides the U.S. has used nuclear weapons against another nation. And which country would this be?
 
2010-07-08 5:59:05 PM  
That was a haunting video although it stopped in the middle. Maybe it should have stayed there.

I agree with the comment about the game "simon?"


I would like this video to be played at ALL military academies, not just USA.

I like to think that at some time, some folks used back channels to prevent a mistake. re: russian guy who said NO.
 
2010-07-08 6:10:06 PM  

socodog: Trinity


Worth reiterating. I own a copy, and it came with two cool extras: a 3-d explosion that you watch with the red/blue paper glasses, and a super wide-range recording of an explosion that will easily toast your speakers if the volume isn't turned way down. Ultra low frequency somethingorother.
 
2010-07-08 6:17:23 PM  
What about a video detailing the launches of giant squids?

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2010-07-08 7:35:07 PM  
I liked the video.
Very sad, but yet so true.
Thanks a lot, "superpowers"...
 
2010-07-08 8:56:32 PM  
I wonder if any of those have been photographed/imaged
from space....
 
2010-07-08 9:07:46 PM  

Fano: Mock26: Thunderpipes: This text is now purple: Nightsweat: slothMD: fark, half our leaders wanted to just eradicate the Germans and Japanese and be done with it.

No that was just Patton and MacArthur.

I've got to question that, considering how much esteem Patton had for Rommel.

Patton did have respect for the German soldier and some of the leadership. He got in trouble for defending Germans after the war from abusive policies of the allies. he really had no love for the Russians. He did not fight the Japanese, but he probably would have kicked their asses in and then given them respect after the fact. Have to remember, at the time, there was serious Asian hatred, and for pretty good reason. Some of our propaganda films of the time about the evil "Japs" is pretty damn evil.

Patton was a pretty fantastic person, and his accomplishments are amazing. He was much more then just a WWII general. I just love how he was so open, honest, and blunt.

Read "Patton: A Genius for War" by Carlo "D'este.

Oh yes, that was a fine biography.

Patton is a more interesting and complex man than many would give him credit for.


I love that author does not gloss over or hype up anything. He just lays out everything for everyone to see, his strengths, his weaknesses, everything. One of my favorite books.
 
2010-07-08 9:38:51 PM  

ds_4815: I think that video is how John Williams made first contact with the aliens.

/comment section tl;dr, not sure if referenced


Almost, but yeah.
Came for this, almost left disappointed.
Close encounters of the third kind: the conversation (new window)
 
2010-07-08 10:41:56 PM  

braedan: Fuggin Bizzy: /Pretty sure we were pissed off at the Japs when we dropped those bombs, though.

We were at war, and the bombs in Hiroshima & Nagasaki were dropped to force a surrender and prevent the loss of life (on both sides) that an invasion of Japan would result in. Also, the Japanese government was warned prior to attack of the destructive capabilities of the atomic bomb. Leaflets were also dropped on civilian cities explaining the situation and urging them to evacuate. I wouldn't say the US was reluctant to use the atomic bombs, but at the same time those that were responsible for the decision did not revel in its use.


Good post.

There was also the issue of Operation Downfall that was planned. They were predicting at least a million US casualties in the first year with more than double that amount for the Japanese. I've heard a few stories of soldiers that were on troop ships that were on the way for staging when Japan surrendered. Chilling stuff...
 
2010-07-08 11:25:23 PM  
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Proud to be a whore. Even third rate. Glad to have touched a nerve. You would rather have poor Americans die and spend on nuclear bombs. Good to know Americans have their priorities right. Nuclear bombs before people. I have some of your people living in my neighborhood with chronic illness receiving medical care without any cost to them, which they couldn't afford south of the border. They even took Canadian citizenship.
 
2010-07-09 12:18:19 AM  

Third rate whore in Toronto: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Proud to be a whore. Even third rate. Glad to have touched a nerve. You would rather have poor Americans die and spend on nuclear bombs. Good to know Americans have their priorities right. Nuclear bombs before people. I have some of your people living in my neighborhood with chronic illness receiving medical care without any cost to them, which they couldn't afford south of the border. They even took Canadian citizenship.


You can keep our bums. We're too busy helping out Mexicans.
 
2010-07-09 7:09:32 AM  
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2010-07-09 1:57:21 PM  
Surprisingly, they are educated, working and behaving well. Not even remotely bum like.
 
2010-07-09 3:49:28 PM  

Doctor Whomever: FTFA:
Since (the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki), despite more than 2,000 other tests and billions of dollars having been spent on their development, no nuclear warheads have been used in anger used out of necessityused because the Japanese were considered to be less than human.

FTFY. To imply the USA bombed Japan "out of anger" is a gross misrepresentation of historythe racism prevalent in the US at the time.


FTFY. To imply that the use of nuclear weapons on Japan was not a war crime is a gross misrepresentation of history.

/Firebombing Tokyo was a war crime as well.
 
2010-07-09 4:51:50 PM  

DarkVader: Doctor Whomever: FTFA:
Since (the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki), despite more than 2,000 other tests and billions of dollars having been spent on their development, no nuclear warheads have been used in anger used out of necessityused because the Japanese were considered to be less than human.

FTFY. To imply the USA bombed Japan "out of anger" is a gross misrepresentation of historythe racism prevalent in the US at the time.

FTFY. To imply that the use of nuclear weapons on Japan was not a war crime is a gross misrepresentation of history.

/Firebombing Tokyo was a war crime as well.


Wrong! To imply that the use of nuclear weapons (or fire bombing) on Japan was a war crime is case of gross ignorance.
 
2010-07-09 5:26:16 PM  
Maps made in Europe have Europe as center America to left and Asia to right

Maps made in US/Canada Have America in center, Europe to right, Asia to left.

Maps made in Asia have Asia in center , America to right, Europe to left.

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I thought there was a shortage of maps. As such.

(if obscure, you might be a blond)
 
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