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2010-06-27 2:19:20 PM  
"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children cooking?"
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2010-06-27 2:58:23 PM  
The real story is, more children are being left in hot cars because more families are living in hot cars.
 
2010-06-27 4:09:15 PM  
Lucky kids.
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/hot
 
2010-06-27 4:13:10 PM  
"chidren"?
 
2010-06-27 4:35:27 PM  

calbert: "chidren"?


The correct spelling is "chirrens."
 
2010-06-27 5:01:01 PM  

AmazingRuss: The real story is, more children are being left in hot cars because more families are living in hot cars.


source please?
 
2010-06-27 5:03:58 PM  
Chilluns
 
2010-06-27 5:42:40 PM  

Kirk's_Toupee: AmazingRuss: The real story is, more children are being left in hot cars because more families are living in hot cars.

source please?


It came somewhere in the vicinity of where I sit.
 
2010-06-27 6:38:04 PM  

AmazingRuss: Kirk's_Toupee: AmazingRuss: The real story is, more children are being left in hot cars because more families are living in hot cars.

source please?

It came somewhere in the vicinity of where I sit.


YOUR ASS OR YOUR MOTHER? BASEMENT DWELLER:)
just kidding.
 
2010-06-27 7:11:40 PM  
Too much yeast? The parents are so stupid, they shouldn't have bread in the first place.
 
2010-06-27 7:31:55 PM  
I was left in the car all the time as a child. Though back in those days we had manual windows we could just crank down farther.
 
2010-06-27 7:46:59 PM  
Yeah, but putting them in the freezer to keep cool is apparently wrong too...
 
2010-06-27 7:47:44 PM  
Oh my god. It was like two minutes while I ran inside to pay for the gas because the pump wasn't accepting my card. There was a line at the register. I didn't know that babies physically melted in that time.
 
2010-06-27 7:49:36 PM  
Kid sizzlin' is a parental "get out of jail free" card. Sick of the whiny brat? No problem. Just leave him in the car on a hot day and go shopping for 4 hours. Upon return, get all hysterical and weepy and put on a good show. At worst, you'll get a citation or fine. The chances of you being actually indicted and convicted of a crime are nearly zero.

Baby killing: it's not just for perverts any more!
 
2010-06-27 7:50:15 PM  
FTFA: "Karnes says the best way to help you to remember to bring your child inside is to leave your purse or handbag next to the car seat."

Um, what? You can remember your purse but not your kids? And that's no big deal? WTF PEOPLE?
 
2010-06-27 7:51:32 PM  
This shiat happens here, AZ, all the time. WTF? The first thing to get unloaded is the kid....Sheese!
 
2010-06-27 7:53:15 PM  

CitizenTed: Kid sizzlin' is a parental "get out of jail free" card. Sick of the whiny brat? No problem. Just leave him in the car on a hot day and go shopping for 4 hours. Upon return, get all hysterical and weepy and put on a good show. At worst, you'll get a citation or fine. The chances of you being actually indicted and convicted of a crime are nearly zero.

Baby killing: it's not just for perverts any more!


wait... so parent who cook their kids like this don't get Man-1?
 
2010-06-27 7:54:06 PM  

untaken_name: FTFA: "Karnes says the best way to help you to remember to bring your child inside is to leave your purse or handbag next to the car seat."

Um, what? You can remember your purse but not your kids? And that's no big deal? WTF PEOPLE?


It didn't say that.

[reads article]

THEY FORGET THEY HAD THE CHILD????

So tell me why again we have laws about who can drive and own weapons but not who can have kids??? Holy mother of god!
 
2010-06-27 7:54:44 PM  

gadian: Oh my god. It was like two minutes while I ran inside to pay for the gas because the pump wasn't accepting my card. There was a line at the register. I didn't know that babies physically melted in that time.


Did you leave the car running with the ac on?
 
2010-06-27 7:56:31 PM  
How is babby warmed?
 
2010-06-27 7:57:43 PM  
Can we start calling stupid parents who snuff their kids "Darwin-by-proxy?"
 
2010-06-27 7:58:31 PM  

PetaByte: gadian: Oh my god. It was like two minutes while I ran inside to pay for the gas because the pump wasn't accepting my card. There was a line at the register. I didn't know that babies physically melted in that time.

Did you leave the car running with the ac on?


I was actually joking, I've never done this. I would like to think that I wouldn't forget that I had the kid with me. Then again, I'd like to think I'd remember a lot of things.
 
2010-06-27 8:01:30 PM  
There's actually historical precedent for this type of behavior.

Child abandonment (and resulting death) is a nasty bit of Christian history that stretches back throughout the last thousand years. When parents couldn't deal with their children, they would often take them out to the middle of nowhere and leave them there to be killed or die of exposure. Often, Jewish families would take these orphans in and raise them as their own. This is why the rumor of Jews stealing babies (and eating them) came into play.

Ironically, this was discovered in the 20th Century when a scholar (who wrote the book on this, its name forgotten to me sadly) was studying how the church prevented their members from going to brothels: just because a child would be abandoned didn't mean it wouldn't survive, and a lot of them found their ways into the sex trade as prostitutes. The fear of incest from your long-abandoned child was pretty great.

So leaving them in cars to die isn't as cruel as you would expect. We exist in a world and a cultural framework that has a lot of child blood on our hands. Most of it comes from not being able to provide or simply because having children is hard work. Take this as you will.
 
2010-06-27 8:01:30 PM  

gadian: I was actually joking, I've never done this. I would like to think that I wouldn't forget that I had the kid with me. Then again, I'd like to think I'd remember a lot of things.


Yeah, my snark detector is broken.
 
2010-06-27 8:02:25 PM  

Crosshair: I was left in the car all the time as a child. Though back in those days we had manual windows we could just crank down farther.


I bet you played with lawn darts and rode bikes without helmets too
 
2010-06-27 8:03:12 PM  
Complicated and nuanced story which won the Pulitzer Prize about the issue here (new window).
 
2010-06-27 8:04:56 PM  
Lawn darts ruled! When I was 8 I found a set in my gramma's basement along with a bow and hunting arrows. Unsupervised fun for weeks!
 
2010-06-27 8:06:26 PM  

PetaByte: CitizenTed: Kid sizzlin' is a parental "get out of jail free" card. Sick of the whiny brat? No problem. Just leave him in the car on a hot day and go shopping for 4 hours. Upon return, get all hysterical and weepy and put on a good show. At worst, you'll get a citation or fine. The chances of you being actually indicted and convicted of a crime are nearly zero.

Baby killing: it's not just for perverts any more!

wait... so parent who cook their kids like this don't get Man-1?


This form of behavior should be encouraged.
 
2010-06-27 8:09:08 PM  

Gyrfalcon: So tell me why again we have laws about who can drive and own weapons but not who can have kids??? Holy mother of god!


Because the government doesn't care who provides it more chattel property, but it has an interest in who can freely move about and defend themselves. I know that's probably not the answer you were looking for but it's the truth.
 
2010-06-27 8:09:17 PM  

PetaByte: Lawn darts ruled! When I was 8 I found a set in my gramma's basement along with a bow and hunting arrows. Unsupervised fun for weeks!


Jarts, dammit.
 
2010-06-27 8:09:47 PM  
I'm glad my two daughters are grown up. They can leave themselves in a hot car if they want. I'm too lazy.
 
2010-06-27 8:10:00 PM  

Paris1127: Too much yeast? The parents are so stupid, they shouldn't have bread in the first place.


Jeez you guys are on a roll
 
2010-06-27 8:10:15 PM  
Jeez, when you can't run into a casino to gamble for eight hours while you leave your kid in the car in a Vegas summer...
 
2010-06-27 8:13:02 PM  

phrawgh: PetaByte: CitizenTed: Kid sizzlin' is a parental "get out of jail free" card. Sick of the whiny brat? No problem. Just leave him in the car on a hot day and go shopping for 4 hours. Upon return, get all hysterical and weepy and put on a good show. At worst, you'll get a citation or fine. The chances of you being actually indicted and convicted of a crime are nearly zero.

Baby killing: it's not just for perverts any more!

wait... so parent who cook their kids like this don't get Man-1?

This form of behavior should be encouraged.


SOmetimes they do, sometimes they don't. This article won the 2010 Pulitizer Prize.

Washington Post Magazine: Fatal Distraction -- Kids, Cars and Hyperthermia (new window)

Two decades ago, this was relatively rare. But in the early 1990s, car-safety experts declared that passenger-side front airbags could kill children, and they recommended that child seats be moved to the back of the car; then, for even more safety for the very young, that the baby seats be pivoted to face the rear. If few foresaw the tragic consequence of the lessened visibility of the child . . . well, who can blame them? What kind of person forgets a baby?

The wealthy do, it turns out. And the poor, and the middle class. Parents of all ages and ethnicities do it. Mothers are just as likely to do it as fathers. It happens to the chronically absent-minded and to the fanatically organized, to the college-educated and to the marginally literate. In the last 10 years, it has happened to a dentist. A postal clerk. A social worker. A police officer. An accountant. A soldier. A paralegal. An electrician. A Protestant clergyman. A rabbinical student. A nurse. A construction worker. An assistant principal. It happened to a mental health counselor, a college professor and a pizza chef. It happened to a pediatrician. It happened to a rocket scientist.


Read the whole thing. Then decide for yourself.
 
2010-06-27 8:19:56 PM  
On the subject of yeast, right now is an awesome time to make bread. I made some focaccia bread a couple weekends ago. It came out excellent.
 
2010-06-27 8:20:56 PM  

The Invisible Sky Wizard: How is babby warmed?


good one.
 
2010-06-27 8:23:02 PM  
The problem is that they started requiring babies to be kept in the back seat. You never heard of this problem before that - because the babies were beside the driver, easily seen, hard to forget. Today, the babies fall asleep back there and the dads or moms get busy yaking on the phone or with their ipods or whatever and completely forget the child is back there.
 
2010-06-27 8:23:56 PM  
PetaByte 2010-06-27 07:53:15 PM CitizenTed: Kid sizzlin' is a parental "get out of jail free" card. Sick of the whiny brat? No problem. Just leave him in the car on a hot day and go shopping for 4 hours. Upon return, get all hysterical and weepy and put on a good show. At worst, you'll get a citation or fine. The chances of you being actually indicted and convicted of a crime are nearly zero. Baby killing: it's not just for perverts any more!

wait... so parent who cook their kids like this don't get Man-1?
==================================================================

Unless you can prove they were bad parents or intended to kill their kid (which is difficult).

Typically they'll get child neglect charge, which is at least something. But with that and no priors, you'll probably avoid jail.
 
2010-06-27 8:24:14 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: There's actually historical precedent for this type of behavior.

Child abandonment... take them out to the middle of nowhere and leave them there to be killed or die of exposure... just because a child would be abandoned didn't mean it wouldn't survive, and a lot of them found their ways into the sex trade as prostitutes. The fear of incest from your long-abandoned child was pretty great.



Oedipus would like a word with you.
 
2010-06-27 8:24:47 PM  
Farking rear-facing car seats. Take your average cracked-out sleep deprived new parent, deprive them of the site line of their child, and you get crispy baby.

But OH NO, you have to have them facing backward or, fark I don't know...They're going to fly around the passenger compartment in a wreck?

Stupid law, and it needs to be repealed.

/Never cooked a kid
//Happens a lot where I live, though.
 
2010-06-27 8:26:03 PM  
People are too lazy. Go half way? Load them up, drive to your destination, and leave them in there vs. just leaving them at home while you go drink at the bar.
/in this case: at least one is more efficient = to the lesser of two evils.
 
2010-06-27 8:27:56 PM  

noneyourbase: phrawgh: PetaByte: CitizenTed: Kid sizzlin' is a parental "get out of jail free" card. Sick of the whiny brat? No problem. Just leave him in the car on a hot day and go shopping for 4 hours. Upon return, get all hysterical and weepy and put on a good show. At worst, you'll get a citation or fine. The chances of you being actually indicted and convicted of a crime are nearly zero.

Baby killing: it's not just for perverts any more!

wait... so parent who cook their kids like this don't get Man-1?

This form of behavior should be encouraged.

SOmetimes they do, sometimes they don't. This article won the 2010 Pulitizer Prize.

Washington Post Magazine: Fatal Distraction -- Kids, Cars and Hyperthermia (new window)

Two decades ago, this was relatively rare. But in the early 1990s, car-safety experts declared that passenger-side front airbags could kill children, and they recommended that child seats be moved to the back of the car; then, for even more safety for the very young, that the baby seats be pivoted to face the rear. If few foresaw the tragic consequence of the lessened visibility of the child . . . well, who can blame them? What kind of person forgets a baby?

The wealthy do, it turns out. And the poor, and the middle class. Parents of all ages and ethnicities do it. Mothers are just as likely to do it as fathers. It happens to the chronically absent-minded and to the fanatically organized, to the college-educated and to the marginally literate. In the last 10 years, it has happened to a dentist. A postal clerk. A social worker. A police officer. An accountant. A soldier. A paralegal. An electrician. A Protestant clergyman. A rabbinical student. A nurse. A construction worker. An assistant principal. It happened to a mental health counselor, a college professor and a pizza chef. It happened to a pediatrician. It happened to a rocket scientist.

Read the whole thing. Then decide for yourself.


I have heard of this. Yes, it is terrible. Yes, I can understand why it would happen, if you're running a lot of errands and you have a minivan or whatever and your baby is in the back seat and not crying, and you have a bunch of stops to make, you're running late....

You put your baby into the car. YOU put YOUR BABY into YOUR CAR. There is absolutely no excuse for being so busy, so distracted, so rushed for time that you forget to take YOUR BABY out of YOUR CAR.

Put it into these terms. If the same parent had the same baby in their house, and forgot that the baby was crawling around upstairs while they got preoccupied downstairs because they had bills to pay, phone calls to make, dinner was burning on the stove, the older kid needed help with the homework, the dog peed on the floor...and the baby fell down the stairs and died, would we NOT blame the parent for forgetting their baby then? After all, they were just as busy, just as preoccupied, just as distracted. Why in the car but not the house?

I can understand why it happens; that is not the same thing as getting anywhere close to exonerating someone who allows it to happen to them.
 
2010-06-27 8:29:47 PM  
Bake a cookie, not a kid. Thanks.
 
2010-06-27 8:32:25 PM  
Idea:

Have a circuit, just like your headlights-are-on chime circuit, that sets off your car alarm if you lock the car with the back seat belt fastened.

I'm off to the patent office...
 
2010-06-27 8:33:01 PM  
It's 140 degrees. Do you know where your child is?
 
2010-06-27 8:37:01 PM  
How about a CHECK BACKSEAT FOR BABBY ON BOARD reminder sticker for the driver's side window?
 
2010-06-27 8:40:11 PM  

Principal Clarinet: It's 140 degrees. Do you know where your child is?


In the oven.

They're not safe to eat until they've been cooked to 180 degrees.
 
2010-06-27 8:41:41 PM  

PetaByte: Idea:

Have a circuit, just like your headlights-are-on chime circuit, that sets off your car alarm if you lock the car with the back seat belt fastened.

I'm off to the patent office...


Someone actually invented an occupancy-sensing device with a keychain alarm. The inventors weren't prepared to handle the liability if it malfunctioned, and nobody wanted to buy it (because after all, "it can't happen to me").
 
2010-06-27 8:42:24 PM  

namegoeshere: How about a CHECK BACKSEAT FOR BABBY ON BOARD reminder sticker for the driver's side window?


okay, maybe an ankle bracelet with thermometer and cell-phone circuit that calls you if the air temp is over 95 degrees?
 
2010-06-27 8:44:18 PM  

CitizenTed: Kid sizzlin' is a parental "get out of jail free" card. Sick of the whiny brat? No problem. Just leave him in the car on a hot day and go shopping for 4 hours. Upon return, get all hysterical and weepy and put on a good show. At worst, you'll get a citation or fine. The chances of you being actually indicted and convicted of a crime are nearly zero.

Baby killing: it's not just for perverts any more!


Sadly, I agree with this. I think if we started prosecuting people who "forgot" their kids in hot cars, we'd see a sharp drop in them.

Yes, I read the Pulitzer article, and I still don't understand how you forget your KID. Maybe it's possible if you drive a cavernous SUV, but if you drive a normal car, you can freakin' see them if you turn your head.
 
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