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2010-06-27 5:39:20 PM  
He is one of my favorite Farkers.
 
2010-06-27 5:39:42 PM  
Poop thread?
 
2010-06-27 5:39:43 PM  
"My opinion is that, evolution just isn't wasteful, that when things evolve for one purpose, that generally they don't continue throughout time to have only that purpose, but anything else that may be useful about them gets refined,"

My opinion is that you don't know as much about evolution as you pretend, lady.
 
2010-06-27 5:40:42 PM  
Oh boy, sleep! That's where I'm a viking!!
 
2010-06-27 5:41:23 PM  
So my dog is dreaming about that steak that always must be running away from him?
 
2010-06-27 5:44:19 PM  
Why We Dream: Real Possible Reasons Revealed Conjectured
 
2010-06-27 5:44:42 PM  
When I die, my dreams will become my reality. That's what I believe. None of this bullshiat heaven/hell.
 
2010-06-27 5:46:16 PM  
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Disagrees.
 
2010-06-27 5:46:59 PM  
Dreams are your mind taking a dump.
 
2010-06-27 5:50:00 PM  
Goatspunk, some dead white dude once said...

...To sleep, perchance to dream. Ay, there's the rub,
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause.
 
2010-06-27 5:51:40 PM  

Goatspunk: When I die, my dreams will become my reality. That's what I believe. None of this bullshiat heaven/hell.


You're dead right now. Prove me wrong. How do you know?
 
2010-06-27 5:51:54 PM  
Here's my take on dreams and partly why we do it.

Our brains process so much raw data, why just the daily input from our eyes and ears has got to be staggering.

I feel that part of our purpose in life is much like hard disk storage.

Life is a highly scalable, very redundant, and self perpetuating storage system for basically the data of life; the Akashic record, if you will. Bob Marley sez "we got to fulfill the book", I agree.

I feel like our REM sleep is like separating the wheat from the chafe, what can be discarded to what needs to be remembered and more importantly stored.

I think we then take that data, and encode it into our DNA. I think I heard a long while ago that like 95-97% of DNA was like "junk DNA" and the other 3-5 percent was us. I think the 3-5% is the OS, and the rest is data storage.

But then again, I just got on the wagon about a week ago and I could be suffering from lack of booze.
 
2010-06-27 5:56:01 PM  

ChuableVicodin: 95-97% of DNA was like "junk DNA"


heh, taking Biology this semester and we talked about this. There is another theory, that the junk DNA is left over from viruses that infected out ancestors millions of years ago.

Take that as you will.
 
2010-06-27 5:57:19 PM  

ChuableVicodin:
But then again, I just got on the wagon about a week ago and I could be suffering from lack of booze.


Please please PLEASE ... have a DRINK! We don't need anymore of this rational thinking on FARK!
 
2010-06-27 5:58:05 PM  
Dreams are for learning.

And/or resting and repairing the body (which may generate sensory data that must be ignored, hence sleep paralysis).

And/or memory operations (housekeeping, etc.)

Or none of the above.

Nobody knows for certain.

/why yes, I am a neuroscientist
 
2010-06-27 6:05:23 PM  
FTFA
"evolution just isn't wasteful"

Umm, sometimes it is. Evolution doesn't have a guiding hand.
 
2010-06-27 6:09:46 PM  

Pauly Math: Dreams are for learning.

And/or resting and repairing the body (which may generate sensory data that must be ignored, hence sleep paralysis).

And/or memory operations (housekeeping, etc.)

Or none of the above.

Nobody knows for certain.

/why yes, I am a neuroscientist



I always thought of it as defragging all the raw data for the day. That's why when you learn too much stuff in a day you get sleepy. (At least I do.)

But like you say, nobody knows for sure.
 
2010-06-27 6:10:16 PM  
Ain't dreams random thoughts of what you experienced earlier or what you're currently thinking of?

Or be seeing the alternate universe
 
2010-06-27 6:11:05 PM  
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2010-06-27 6:11:53 PM  
Religion, science, and dreams....

I think "I dreamed that my dead uncle drove me to work" and "After the crash I talked with God, then I woke up on the table" are the same damn thing.

Maybe that's why some people get touchy when perception gets tainted by evolution.

"A drug person can learn to cope with things like seeing their dead grandmother crawling up their leg with a knife in her teeth." -Hunter S. Thompson
 
2010-06-27 6:12:15 PM  

stazz: ChuableVicodin:
But then again, I just got on the wagon about a week ago and I could be suffering from lack of booze.

Please please PLEASE ... have a DRINK! We don't need anymore of this rational thinking on FARK!


Taking a 6 month break from the booze. My liver, it needs it.
I heard you can practically rebuild a liver in that time.

/I shouldn't be able to feel my liver inside me, right?
//kidneys either
 
2010-06-27 6:15:31 PM  

Jakevol2: ChuableVicodin: 95-97% of DNA was like "junk DNA"

heh, taking Biology this semester and we talked about this. There is another theory, that the junk DNA is left over from viruses that infected out ancestors millions of years ago.

Take that as you will.


I have a hard time believing that much material is for naught, or leftover.

I mean think of it, just on this planet the amount of life carrying DNA and how much would be wasted or misspent.

But that also might explain a lot about humans, like how we don't know what are purpose is here. Maybe if the DNA hadn't been damaged by these viruses, we might have a better understanding of it all.
 
2010-06-27 6:18:03 PM  
That's all well and good, but 99% of the people in my dreams I've never seen before in my life (with the exception of my late brother sometimes). No one from real life, TV, movies, work or anything.

Where do all these strangers in my dreams come from?
 
2010-06-27 6:18:27 PM  

ChuableVicodin: Jakevol2: ChuableVicodin: 95-97% of DNA was like "junk DNA"

heh, taking Biology this semester and we talked about this. There is another theory, that the junk DNA is left over from viruses that infected out ancestors millions of years ago.

Take that as you will.

I have a hard time believing that much material is for naught, or leftover.

I mean think of it, just on this planet the amount of life carrying DNA and how much would be wasted or misspent.

But that also might explain a lot about humans, like how we don't know what are purpose is here. Maybe if the DNA hadn't been damaged by these viruses, we might have a better understanding of it all.


like I said, take it as you will. We didn't delve to deeply into the idea. It was mentioned in passing, and only as one of many theories to why there is so much DNA that doesn't seem to serve a purpose. I thought it was an interesting notion and just thought I would share it with the thread.
 
2010-06-27 6:20:29 PM  

Forsythe P. Jones: That's all well and good, but 99% of the people in my dreams I've never seen before in my life (with the exception of my late brother sometimes). No one from real life, TV, movies, work or anything.

Where do all these strangers in my dreams come from?


I've read somewhere that everyone we dream about is someone we have met in real life--even fleetingly in passing. We don't make up imaginary faces in our dreams. Again take that as you will.
 
2010-06-27 6:21:54 PM  
I have solved problems in my dreams. Pretty damn cool when you realize you figured out the problem while sleeping and once you get to work and apply the fix, it works.
 
2010-06-27 6:23:48 PM  

Forsythe P. Jones: Where do all these strangers in my dreams come from?


Alright, sit down, cuz I heard that every face you see in a dream has come from real life. All those strangers in your dreams are faces of IRL strangers.
 
2010-06-27 6:26:05 PM  

Forsythe P. Jones: That's all well and good, but 99% of the people in my dreams I've never seen before in my life (with the exception of my late brother sometimes). No one from real life, TV, movies, work or anything.

Where do all these strangers in my dreams come from?


That is interesting--at least to me. I recognize 99% of the people in my dreams; and from the exact sources you name. Whenever I see an unfamiliar face in my sleep, it intrigues me to no end. Sometimes, I even attempt drawing them.

I was wondering, are you more of a name person? Do you easily recognize faces--very common human trait--or do you focus more on other details?
 
2010-06-27 6:26:36 PM  

CavalierEternal: He is one of my favorite Farkers.


Yeah, and calling him out in the headline is NOT cool, subby.

Just kidding. I know you mean the crappy comic strip.
 
2010-06-27 6:27:10 PM  

Jakevol2: ChuableVicodin: Jakevol2: ChuableVicodin: 95-97% of DNA was like "junk DNA"

heh, taking Biology this semester and we talked about this. There is another theory, that the junk DNA is left over from viruses that infected out ancestors millions of years ago.

Take that as you will.

I have a hard time believing that much material is for naught, or leftover.

I mean think of it, just on this planet the amount of life carrying DNA and how much would be wasted or misspent.

But that also might explain a lot about humans, like how we don't know what are purpose is here. Maybe if the DNA hadn't been damaged by these viruses, we might have a better understanding of it all.

like I said, take it as you will. We didn't delve to deeply into the idea. It was mentioned in passing, and only as one of many theories to why there is so much DNA that doesn't seem to serve a purpose. I thought it was an interesting notion and just thought I would share it with the thread.


I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but is something bothering you? You seem a little on edge. Have a sandwich or something to eat, it can help.
 
2010-06-27 6:28:01 PM  

UsikFark: Forsythe P. Jones: Where do all these strangers in my dreams come from?

Alright, sit down, cuz I heard that every face you see in a dream has come from real life. All those strangers in your dreams are faces of IRL strangers.


I don't think this makes a lot of sense. Why wouldn't your brain synthesize multiple strangers into a composite? Or create new strangers loosely based on old ones? I'm not saying it's impossible, it just seems unlikely. I'd be interested in the explanation for that.
 
2010-06-27 6:28:17 PM  

UsikFark: Forsythe P. Jones: Where do all these strangers in my dreams come from?

Alright, sit down, cuz I heard that every face you see in a dream has come from real life. All those strangers in your dreams are faces of IRL strangers.


I think that everything you can dream about is something you can imagine consciously without much effort; IOW, you have to have experienced it in some fashion.
 
2010-06-27 6:29:12 PM  
Well that makes sense, but it just have to have been VERY fleeting glances that didn't register at the time..
 
2010-06-27 6:29:35 PM  

ChuableVicodin: Jakevol2: ChuableVicodin: Jakevol2: ChuableVicodin: 95-97% of DNA was like "junk DNA"

heh, taking Biology this semester and we talked about this. There is another theory, that the junk DNA is left over from viruses that infected out ancestors millions of years ago.

Take that as you will.

I have a hard time believing that much material is for naught, or leftover.

I mean think of it, just on this planet the amount of life carrying DNA and how much would be wasted or misspent.

But that also might explain a lot about humans, like how we don't know what are purpose is here. Maybe if the DNA hadn't been damaged by these viruses, we might have a better understanding of it all.

like I said, take it as you will. We didn't delve to deeply into the idea. It was mentioned in passing, and only as one of many theories to why there is so much DNA that doesn't seem to serve a purpose. I thought it was an interesting notion and just thought I would share it with the thread.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but is something bothering you? You seem a little on edge. Have a sandwich or something to eat, it can help.


on the contrary, I thought we were having an interesting conversation about the mystery of junk DNA. In no way am I even remotely trying to present myself as an authority about gentics. I really just wanted to share something I learned in BIO class.

Peace, brother.
 
2010-06-27 6:30:27 PM  

Forsythe P. Jones: Well that makes sense, but it just have to have been VERY fleeting glances that didn't register at the time..


the subconcious is a very powerful thing.
 
2010-06-27 6:31:10 PM  

Goatspunk: When I die, my dreams will become my reality. That's what I believe. None of this bullshiat heaven/hell.


So heaven and hell bullshiat, but some nonsense you made up isn't? When you're dead, you're dead.
 
2010-06-27 6:32:09 PM  

Lampmonster: Goatspunk: When I die, my dreams will become my reality. That's what I believe. None of this bullshiat heaven/hell.

So heaven and hell bullshiat, but some nonsense you made up isn't? When you're dead, you're dead.


stripper factories and beer vocanoes for my in the afterlife :)
 
2010-06-27 6:32:16 PM  
Alright, you DNA nerds. There is information encoded into DNA but there is a distinction between your brain and your mind - your thoughts cannot be encoded into DNA, or you'd remember your father's memories.

The "junk" DNA is a combination of viruses and evolutionary garbage that the DNA hasn't shed yet - it is very energy efficient, and at its current stage it would take more energy to shed this useless DNA than to keep it.

Or to put it another way, when we evolve and pieces of useless DNA remain, at the time it must have been more energy efficient or productive to keep it than to get rid of it.
 
2010-06-27 6:33:38 PM  

Jakevol2: ChuableVicodin: Jakevol2: ChuableVicodin: Jakevol2: ChuableVicodin: 95-97% of DNA was like "junk DNA"

heh, taking Biology this semester and we talked about this. There is another theory, that the junk DNA is left over from viruses that infected out ancestors millions of years ago.

Take that as you will.

I have a hard time believing that much material is for naught, or leftover.

I mean think of it, just on this planet the amount of life carrying DNA and how much would be wasted or misspent.

But that also might explain a lot about humans, like how we don't know what are purpose is here. Maybe if the DNA hadn't been damaged by these viruses, we might have a better understanding of it all.

like I said, take it as you will. We didn't delve to deeply into the idea. It was mentioned in passing, and only as one of many theories to why there is so much DNA that doesn't seem to serve a purpose. I thought it was an interesting notion and just thought I would share it with the thread.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but is something bothering you? You seem a little on edge. Have a sandwich or something to eat, it can help.

on the contrary, I thought we were having an interesting conversation about the mystery of junk DNA. In no way am I even remotely trying to present myself as an authority about gentics. I really just wanted to share something I learned in BIO class.

Peace, brother.


I guess I am misreading the "take it as you will" stuff...

I also enjoy a good chat about DNA, life the universe and all.

Sorry, if I misunderstood, bro.
 
2010-06-27 6:34:00 PM  

untaken_name: I don't think this makes a lot of sense. Why wouldn't your brain synthesize multiple strangers into a composite? Or create new strangers loosely based on old ones? I'm not saying it's impossible, it just seems unlikely. I'd be interested in the explanation for that.


I know. When I heard that I though "how do they know?"
 
2010-06-27 6:34:12 PM  

ferrocene: your thoughts cannot be encoded into DNA, or you'd remember your father's memories.


speak for yourself but I am the Kwisatz Haderach.
 
2010-06-27 6:34:34 PM  

ferrocene: Alright, you DNA nerds. There is information encoded into DNA but there is a distinction between your brain and your mind - your thoughts cannot be encoded into DNA, or you'd remember your father's memories.

The "junk" DNA is a combination of viruses and evolutionary garbage that the DNA hasn't shed yet - it is very energy efficient, and at its current stage it would take more energy to shed this useless DNA than to keep it.

Or to put it another way, when we evolve and pieces of useless DNA remain, at the time it must have been more energy efficient or productive to keep it than to get rid of it.


Even if I drink the Water of Life?
 
2010-06-27 6:35:13 PM  

ChuableVicodin: I guess I am misreading the "take it as you will" stuff...


All I meant by that was I sure as hell don't completely understand it and forgive me if I am getting it wrong.
 
2010-06-27 6:40:54 PM  
Those of you my age remember tinkering, in BASIC, with early 1980s computers with PEEK and POKE and seeing some weird shiat. I imagine that's what dreams are. Random shiat happening in your semi-conscious brain.
 
2010-06-27 6:42:50 PM  
I wish someone would explain to me why my dreams tend to have a geography to them. It seems like the reoccuring dreams I have take place on a larger map of my subconcious. If I go in one direction I will have one kind of reoccuring dream, if I go in another I will have a different kind of reoccuring dream. There are even outskirts to my dream geography where it seems like the dreams born from my id come from. Does anyone esle experience this kind of dreaming?
 
2010-06-27 6:43:09 PM  

Ow My Balls: Those of you my age remember tinkering, in BASIC, with early 1980s computers with PEEK and POKE and seeing some weird shiat. I imagine that's what dreams are. Random shiat happening in your semi-conscious brain.


Like a Snow Crash?
 
2010-06-27 6:44:10 PM  

Jakevol2: ferrocene: your thoughts cannot be encoded into DNA, or you'd remember your father's memories.

speak for yourself but I am the Kwisatz Haderach.


Instinct and intuition?

If thoughts cannot be encoded into DNA, how do birds know where to migrate, fish know where to spawn?

These are events that are processed in the brain and then become part of the next generation's OS.
 
2010-06-27 6:44:43 PM  
But I'll also side with untaken_name's "Composite" theory.
They look ALMOST familiar, but yet they're complete strangers.
When I wake up, I can pick out certain traits of the people that populate my dreams, but they're not really them.
 
2010-06-27 6:45:09 PM  
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//farkers are slipping
 
2010-06-27 6:45:25 PM  

UsikFark: untaken_name: I don't think this makes a lot of sense. Why wouldn't your brain synthesize multiple strangers into a composite? Or create new strangers loosely based on old ones? I'm not saying it's impossible, it just seems unlikely. I'd be interested in the explanation for that.

I know. When I heard that I though "how do they know?"


Have you ever noticed that sometimes people tell you something in an authoritative tone of voice and so you just accept it without question and then repeat it again later without fact-checking it? I'm wondering if this might be one of those instances. Until I can see some good evidence for this, I'm going to have to call "factoid".
 
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