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(Sun Sentinel)   What do you do when enough students fail a test required to graduate? Create loopholes   ( divider line
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15360 clicks; posted to Main » on 29 May 2003 at 2:25 PM (14 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2003-05-29 03:58:32 PM  
what the hell do you even need college for anyway? i work with plenty of people who indeed have degrees, and i still make more than them... degrees do not teach you how to make $$$,

someone please post the larry ellison commencement speech to yale, even if it's fake, it's still an eye opener!
2003-05-29 04:00:40 PM  
Don't bother responding to Cliff Yab. He's stealing an SA name for fame and trolling for attention.

OH, and on the topic of the thread -

Schools totally suck. My children will be educated at home. And I want a tax refund for the funds allocated to public education.
2003-05-29 04:03:21 PM  
High school seniors can't pass sophomore level work?

I'm sure the teachers' unions say the teachers are in no way responsible for any of this.
2003-05-29 04:03:36 PM  

I think it also has to do with all those teachers who spent years in college studying these subjects. In their stubborn arrogance, they insist that all high school students need to be exposed to all of them.

After all, if the students waited until college to study these subjects, the teachers would be out of a job.

Doesn't the saying go: "Those who can't do, teach." ?
2003-05-29 04:03:54 PM  
Yes, yes, let's publicize the medical industry so it can be as great as the educational system.
2003-05-29 04:04:13 PM  
Emasedawg I believe Texas is the state you're thinking of.
2003-05-29 04:07:08 PM  
Publicize? I'm sure you mean socialize.
2003-05-29 04:07:51 PM  
Well either or, that program would exist in one of the six "idiot" states (fla, tx, cali, oreg, ny, nj)
2003-05-29 04:08:17 PM  
05-29-03 03:12:08 PM Vegasj

this counrty better wake the fark up and return to the "Leave it to Beaver" days.

Ahh, yes, when the movies were black and white, and so was everything else.

In all seriousness, we can't. Back then we actually had factories making durable goods here in the US. Growing up near Detroit I can tell you that all the factories recruited assembly line workers right out of high school. Even drop outs could get a job bolting on body parts, have a home and a pension.
But upon the realization that these companies could move their operations to Mexico, pay their workers less + have no fear of environmental or safety laws, ship their products to the US and sell them for the same amount and make a bigger bottom line, well, they behaved like any good patriot would and screwed American citizens. Why do you think that it was at about this time Reagan started on with his 'service economy' crap?
Now the same people who used to get good jobs with benefits are manning the counter at the local stop 'n' rob at minimum wage and having to buy the cars and appliances that their parents and grandparents used to make here.
2003-05-29 04:10:18 PM  
Although, it is called the "public" school system. Perhaps "social" school system would be better, to highlight the fact that yet another socialist endeavor is going to crap...
2003-05-29 04:11:06 PM  
Mopofdeath: I'm not saying that they are second class citizens, but to give someone a free pass or the equivalent of a diploma for their failure when others earned it cheapens the achievement of those who do succeed.

On an unrelated note - how the heck do you make the type boldface?!
2003-05-29 04:12:28 PM  

I think it also has to do with all those teachers who spent years in college studying these subjects. In their stubborn arrogance, they insist that all high school students need to be exposed to all of them.

After all, if the students waited until college to study these subjects, the teachers would be out of a job.

Doesn't the saying go: "Those who can't do, teach." ?

what the hell is this supposed to mean?
2003-05-29 04:12:31 PM  

Let me guess, you contribute to those tests, right?
2003-05-29 04:15:15 PM  
LexiLuther: Ha! I would if only I had it to give. I'm just waiting for my wife to finish med school (and residency) so that she can pay it off. Then, I may be done with this foolishness altogether. ;)

And, yes, you have to learn to drink coffee to be a lawyer. And scotch. Lots and lots of scotch.
2003-05-29 04:16:40 PM  

Sorry if it seemed like a swipe at teachers; it was meant as a swipe at people who think that, because they spent their time in college studying something, high school students should be made to study it, too.

Nothing against teachers. Teachers' unions, on the other hand...
2003-05-29 04:18:43 PM  

Afraid not. I'd rather gag myself with a number 2 pencil.

I mostly agree with standardized testing, except I would like to see it done twice a year in every grade. Instead of using it soley for promotions or graduation, I'd like to see teacher's salaries linked to percent improvement from beginning of the year, to the end.

TEACHING is not what comes out of a teacher, it is what gets INTO the students.
2003-05-29 04:18:49 PM  
sigh.. all this talk about law school.

I thought about changing my career and looking into it.. sigh.. hmm dunno..
2003-05-29 04:19:07 PM  
I think I took that class, or maybe it was just the substance abuse

Oh, and nice Mad-Bomber-What-Bombs-At-Midnite quote on your profile - that's a favorite.
2003-05-29 04:20:02 PM  
The SAT was dumbed down in 1993. Painfully dumbed down.
If you took the exam after 1993, do not ask to compare your score with mine as the 1600 you most likely got will be higher (slightly) than my score.
2003-05-29 04:21:20 PM  
The world needs ditch-diggers too...
2003-05-29 04:21:57 PM  
Aw poot. Shouldn't have waited two hours to see if anyone responded to my post about the daughter's FCAT score.

Although the 3rd grade and 10th grade tests are different, the raw score corresponds. She passed the 3rd grade tests with the highest point mark (a 5). Her score, if scored on the 10th grade level, would be 2's. Minimal passes, but passes none the less.
2003-05-29 04:22:07 PM  
Sorry DrunkenLimeyBastard, didn't see that you had already written that. :)
2003-05-29 04:23:27 PM  
We ARE teaching these kids. We're teaching them the way that the world works. Everyone in FL knows that their Governor sold them out to his Brother, but nobody cares.

These kids are learning First-Hand the way the system (should that be Capitalized now???) works. If you don't like the way things are working out, find a way around it! Also, it helps if you have 1)money 2)power or 3)LOTS of people who agree with you.

As for FL being stupid, yeah... But stop acting like there isn't a DENSE (you like the pun? ehhh? ehhhh?????) population of idiots surrounding each and every one of you, too...
2003-05-29 04:26:57 PM  
Sorry, Lexi but you will indeed have to switch to coffee. And scotch. Lots and lots of scotch. (Thanks Nabb1)

It can be a neverending busy season, but in Pittsburgh, there is no trial list between early June and September, so the super-intense busy-ness calms down a tad, and you can get caught up on your files and discovery and such. Which I suppose doesn't matter if you don't litigate!
2003-05-29 04:27:10 PM  
Ratbastardlawyer: We don't call our professional association a "bar" out of mere coincidence.

Bold instructions:

Put the text between the two tags.

Type the text you want bold .

The "b" opens the bold and the "/b" closes it. Just remove the spaces between the "" around them that I put in the example (otherwise you wouldn't see them, and it would put that text in bold).

Trial and error will help you get it.
2003-05-29 04:28:37 PM  
People who think people who work in skilled trades are stupid are most likely none-to-bright themselves. Not to mention clueless.

I passed the Jersey version of the FCAT (the HSPT, the stupidest test I have ever taken), got 1200 on my SATs on my one and only try, got into the colleges I applied to. I have never been called stupid. I work in theatre as an electrician.

While I agree to a point that different people learn in different ways and that much of what one learns in high school does not exactly help someone become a better mechanic or whatever, screeching that we should "throw the idiots out" is stupid. I wouldn't have been thrown out. No one I work with would've been thrown out. Frankly, I'd rather the idiots stay in school and out of my way.
2003-05-29 04:28:58 PM  
Oops, the spaces didn't work. Now I fell like an idiot.

Does this: > not show up?
2003-05-29 04:30:08 PM  
Okay, but the "b" between one of these:

Do the same with the "/b".
2003-05-29 04:30:20 PM  

Don't forget to check your speelung.
2003-05-29 04:30:48 PM  
Oh, to hell with it.
2003-05-29 04:32:11 PM  
<b>text of choice</b>

(HTML enabled button)
2003-05-29 04:34:41 PM  
Re: Failing the FCAT

I took it too, and I must say that there is a difference between being a "bad test-taker" and not knowing the answer to 1/5 + 3/8
2003-05-29 04:34:50 PM  
"b"I am trialing and erroring"/b"
2003-05-29 04:36:05 PM  
But how did you get into Art College?

Same way as everybody else - failed my exams and applied.

/Red Dwarf

lots of art students in Florida?
2003-05-29 04:36:31 PM  
Lawtalkingguy and Nabb1

Thanks! Ok, back to bilking, er, I mean billing my clients...
2003-05-29 04:37:01 PM  
Follow LawTalkingGuy's instructions. He didn't completely screw it up like I did.
2003-05-29 04:37:34 PM  
Not as many as in England! Bahahaha!

</gratuitous slander>
2003-05-29 04:39:09 PM  
At least I have the "error" bit down... Yes, Sir... no one can tell me nuffing about no errors
2003-05-29 04:39:27 PM  
Ugh can't we just shoot the stupid ones?

We should get rid of safety laws and let mother nature weed out the idiots.

I got a 1070 on my last S.A.T. and I wasn't even trying.
2003-05-29 04:43:29 PM  
Trial and error works!
2003-05-29 04:43:56 PM  
ID The trialing part seems to be going well too.
2003-05-29 04:45:22 PM  

I got a 1060 on my SAT after taking acid the night before + smoking and drinking up to the door. I wanted to see the difference no sleep and drugs made.

For the record, in 1993, pot/alcohol/sleeplessness costs 130 points (1190 sober and well-rested)
2003-05-29 04:52:09 PM  
Note to those who can't pass a farking HS exit exam: friends who make fun of you for acting all "white" and actually studying are not your friends.
2003-05-29 04:54:22 PM  
What happens if you fail?

(serious question from a limey)
2003-05-29 04:55:32 PM  
That's really racist.

/made better with html!
2003-05-29 04:57:18 PM  
48/48 on the LSAT
2003-05-29 05:02:15 PM  

You can't apply one size fits all to kids. Boys learn differently than girls, for example. Some people have a penchant for "book knowledge" and ace virtually every test given to them. However, they have problems wiping their own ass.

Then there are kids who can't take tests for shiat but still know quite a bit and can deal effectively with people. They can piss on your leg and you would be convinced that it's raining. They know how to apply what they know to the world but lack the ability to put what they know on paper. The things they do know well, they tend to be experts on.

The people described in that first scenario will end up working for soemone else doing all the brain work for them.

The second type will be salesmen, start their own businesses, and probably be more successful on average. I have a problem with the standardized testing because it virtually ignores that second category of people I described.

Then there's a third type of a person... the lazy idiots who will just have no ambition and are content to get by.
2003-05-29 05:04:14 PM  
McRat- Actually, my grade-schoolin' happened in New York about 20 years ago...wonder if that has anything to do with our different experiences.

Did anyone actually look at the PDF for the 10th grade math test? 32 pages long, 15 pages of instructions and basic mathematical theory. ONly 15 questions to suss out. If I had only basic cognitive skills and the ability to add, subtract multiply and divide, I could learn 12 grades worth of math just reading the bloody instructions!!!

AND they get a calculator!

\\wanders off, mumbling..
2003-05-29 05:04:23 PM  
05-29-03 04:55:32 PM Tallgordon
That's really racist.

It funny because it's true!

No, really, I've worked with crackers who couldn't even read a damn tape measure. Sad I tell ya. They did have some coping skills, tho, keeping notes in little books on how much to cut and where on what. I kept them mystified because I never kept notes, just scribbled a few calculations on the drawing and went to town. Many times, I tried to teach them how to do it so they'd stop bugging the hell out of me each time they came across a problem they'd never seen before. But they didn't want to learn, and sometimes seemed to get offended when I tried to help.
2003-05-29 05:05:05 PM  
Just to put in perspective, Lexi: I tell my wife that essentially, we bought a house. The house burned down. We didn't have insurance, so we still have to pay the mortgage note every month.

But, for all the whining, even after loans, a law degree and a medical degree are still pretty good investments.
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