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2010-04-02 04:51:34 PM  
By the way, it was the Italians who killed Jesus, not the Jews.
 
2010-04-02 05:00:17 PM  
Homosexuals might be a better analogy.


gaslight: By the way, it was the Italians who killed Jesus, not the Jews.


They were only carrying out the will of You-Know-Who.

/And who makes the best pasta today? FSM knows.
 
2010-04-02 06:45:05 PM  
So... they're basically admitting that molesting children is a central tenet of Catholic faith? I mean, they're being sent to prison for doing it.
 
2010-04-02 08:50:23 PM  
yeah well the Jews didn't diddle young boys and systemically cover it up
 
2010-04-02 09:42:32 PM  
Yeah, sex with children is more of a Muslim thing.
 
2010-04-02 10:11:22 PM  
Well, at least Pope Benedict has succeeded in setting Catholic-Jewish relations back to their pre-JPII, Vatican II status. Seriously, does this guy no how to handle any PR issues. He needs to come clean about the abuse, clean house of the abusers and tolerated the abuses, and apologize to the victims. Then he'll get the moral high ground again. He also needs to stop destroying JPII's legacy of strengthening the Catholic Church's relationship with other religions.
 
2010-04-02 10:20:36 PM  
I keep thinking that my respect for the Catholic Church can't sink any lower.
 
2010-04-02 10:21:36 PM  

Hobodeluxe: yeah well the Jews didn't diddle young boys and systemically cover it up


Yeah, I'm sure there's never been a Rabbi that diddled little boys and then covered it up.
 
2010-04-02 10:21:36 PM  
The kiddie rapes, the coverups, the blaming of Satan, the whining...What worthless people.

My sympathy is strictly reserved for the victims of Catholicism. Catholics have more than enough sympathy for themselves.
 
2010-04-02 10:22:31 PM  
I've been alive nearly 48 years and this is without question the most outrageous, offensive thing I've ever heard. How anyone could continue identifying themselves as Catholic after this is, quite frankly, disgusting.
 
2010-04-02 10:23:24 PM  
Wait, which religion is the religion of heathens and barbarians again?
It changes like every week.
 
2010-04-02 10:23:57 PM  

Hobodeluxe: yeah well the Jews didn't diddle young boys and systemically cover it up


Yeah, they just killed them and drank their blood.
 
2010-04-02 10:24:05 PM  
I was just following Orders.
 
2010-04-02 10:24:51 PM  
Catholic priests. Nuns.

Do the math. They might actually like it enough to leave the kiddies alone.
 
2010-04-02 10:25:37 PM  
Irony: when an actual Hitler Youth calls you a Nazi.
 
2010-04-02 10:25:51 PM  

Born to Die: I've been alive nearly 48 years and this is without question the most outrageous, offensive thing I've ever heard. How anyone could continue identifying themselves as Catholic after this is, quite frankly, disgusting.


But, but, but...Jesus...and the pope...and all that tithing. Son of a!
 
2010-04-02 10:26:22 PM  
Um, didnt the Vatican play a pretty big role in handing over the jews for slaughter? I went to the Vatican last year. I just don't see the appeal.
 
2010-04-02 10:27:56 PM  
Subby is just beggin' for an ass-whoopin.

You don't piss on Superman's cape, you don't piss into the wind...yada, yada, yada.

/don't even think about universal healthcare.
//line your babies up for ritualized farking by the church, corporations and government
\not in that order
 
2010-04-02 10:28:08 PM  
Does the headline count as a Goodwin? Because if not, I'd like to say- You know who else persecuted Jews?
 
2010-04-02 10:29:53 PM  

Ed Grubermann: I keep thinking that my respect for the Catholic Church can't sink any lower.


Born to Die: I've been alive nearly 48 years and this is without question the most outrageous, offensive thing I've ever heard. How anyone could continue identifying themselves as Catholic after this is, quite frankly, disgusting.


This. The sad part is that the Catholic Church is now painting this as yet another persecution through which true believers must perservere to attain grace.farking pathetic.
 
2010-04-02 10:30:19 PM  
I heard about this on NPR today and couldn't believe my ears. Whining about the diddling I had heard, but comparing it to the Holocaust!?

Someone needs to wake up and start smacking people over in the Vatican. Covering up the fact that your religion is sexually abusing children is in no way comparable to genocide.
 
2010-04-02 10:30:32 PM  
Did that guy just Godwin a sermon?
 
2010-04-02 10:30:45 PM  

lawrnk: Um, didnt the Vatican play a pretty big role in handing over the jews for slaughter? I went to the Vatican last year. I just don't see the appeal.


There was plenty of photo evidence posted here last week pointing out the Catholic church's role in that.
 
2010-04-02 10:31:00 PM  
Headline: "That's how the Vatican sees it"

The friggin' article: "The Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, stressed that Father Cantalamessa's sermon represented his own thoughts and was not an official Vatican statement.

Father Lombardi said the remarks should not be construed as equating recent criticism of the Catholic Church with anti-Semitism.

"I don't think it's an appropriate comparison," he said.
 
2010-04-02 10:31:00 PM  
so basically what I hear them saying is "yeah sorry about the raping of the boys for the past few decades we know we are sick and F'd up HEY LOOK OVER THERE a shiny new puppy!"

"The church" is sitting on billions in cash, no (real person) to answer to, and lots of time on their hands, of course someone is going to get raped.

The sad thing is once this blows over (no pun intended) people will go back to blindly believing whatever tripe the spew.
 
2010-04-02 10:31:19 PM  

lawrnk: Um, didnt the Vatican play a pretty big role in handing over the jews for slaughter? I went to the Vatican last year. I just don't see the appeal.


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2010-04-02 10:31:22 PM  

Ponzholio: You know who else persecuted Jews?


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This guy?
 
2010-04-02 10:31:25 PM  

oldebayer: They were only carrying out the will of You-Know-Who.


Valdemort?


Ponzholio: Does the headline count as a Goodwin? Because if not, I'd like to say- You know who else persecuted Jews?


Oh, he knows. He was in the dude's marching band, or summer camp, or something.
 
2010-04-02 10:32:03 PM  
Catholic dogma states that God is present in all matters of life, especially when the College of Cardinals votes for a new Pope. Basically God's will is done through the Cardinals.

So I'm pretty sure God got bored since John Paul II and decided to make the next one interesting.
 
2010-04-02 10:32:36 PM  

Helen_Arigby: So... they're basically admitting that molesting children is a central tenet of Catholic faith? I mean, they're being sent to prison for doing it.


Anything that was "all-boys" more than a few decades ago had sexual abuses as a central tenent.
 
2010-04-02 10:33:08 PM  

Degenz: Subby is just beggin' for an ass-whoopin.

You don't piss on Superman's cape, you don't piss into the wind...yada, yada, yada.

/don't even think about universal healthcare.
//line your babies up for ritualized farking by the church, corporations and government
\not in that order


step even

/too much kryptonight, sorry
 
2010-04-02 10:35:45 PM  
"The use of stereotypes, the passing from personal responsibility and guilt to a collective guilt, remind me of the more shameful aspects of anti-Semitism."

So shame on you all for speaking ill of Nambla!
 
2010-04-02 10:37:23 PM  
Nazis picked a group in society (Jews) who had done nothing wrong to them and abused them horribly. Nazis later claimed at their trials "Wir haben es nicht gewusst".

Jews got murdered by the trainload.

Catholics picked a group in society (young boys) who had done nothing wrong to them and abused them horribly. Catholics later claimed "Wir haben es nicht gewusst"¹.

Yes, of course the catholics have most in common with the Jews.
 
2010-04-02 10:37:42 PM  
So are catholics anti-abortion because they like having a vast array of vulnerable youth to choose from?
 
2010-04-02 10:37:49 PM  

Born to Die: I've been alive nearly 48 years and this is without question the most outrageous, offensive thing I've ever heard. How anyone could continue identifying themselves as Catholic after this is, quite frankly, disgusting.


No one stopped calling themselves American during the reign of George W Bush. The life Jesus called us to live has nothing to do with a few bad people who happened to wrest control away from the folks who aren't crazy. The church has endured worse and this span of atrocities which are not representative of the whole church is a small blip in the history, and the church continues to be. The administration cannot ever take away what it means with their missteps and outright despicable behavior.
 
2010-04-02 10:38:20 PM  
Good thing these priests weren't around at Jesus's birth, huh?
 
2010-04-02 10:39:11 PM  

kevinatilusa: Headline: "That's how the Vatican sees it"

The friggin' article: "The Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, stressed that Father Cantalamessa's sermon represented his own thoughts and was not an official Vatican statement.

Father Lombardi said the remarks should not be construed as equating recent criticism of the Catholic Church with anti-Semitism.

"I don't think it's an appropriate comparison," he said.


Except that the guy who made the comments is essentially the Pope's personal preacher.

This is the equivalent of Sec. of State Clinton saying in an official speech, "you know, we should just nuke North Korea and get it over with," and then having a White House spokesman say, "Whoa whoa whoa, that was just her own personal thoughts! Shame on you for thinking that was some sort of official position."
 
2010-04-02 10:39:51 PM  
What do you call 6 million pedophlic priests in a gas oven?

/obvious
 
2010-04-02 10:39:57 PM  

simpsonfan: My dad told me recently that if he ever found out any priest had ever molested me, he would have gone and taken the priest out and crucified him.


Internet Guy With Tough Guy Dad - IGWTGD
 
2010-04-02 10:40:43 PM  
I heard that on the news today. They were pretty quick to say, "That guy doesn't speak for the whole Catholic religion."

/It's a good thing he wasn't "ex cathedra".
 
2010-04-02 10:40:52 PM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Yeah, sex with children is more of a Muslim thing.


I thought it was a Hindu thing. No, they're the ones into marrying kids when they are six. Gotta get the best ones. farking creepy.
 
2010-04-02 10:42:29 PM  
...oh, you don't like kiddie diddlers? You know who else didn't like kiddie diddlers? Hitler, that's who... if you have a problem with priests farking your kids, you're just like him!
 
2010-04-02 10:42:53 PM  
The only way out for them now is to say "Yep, we were wrong!" and just try to ride it out.
 
2010-04-02 10:43:42 PM  
I was raised Catholic, and I try not to judge people by their religion, but I'll admit I'm a little more embarrassed that my entire family and a number of friends love this institution so much. They're all good people who just genuinely believe, and at least they're not Mormons or Scientologists, but it still kind of sucks seeing people I care about so much into such a bizarre cultish religion.

They're not bad people at all. Actually most of them take the basic teachings of Jesus (love, caring, helping others, etc) to heart, and show them to others. Some of them might be a little extreme on it, but I know they're completely harmless, just passionate. My parents are both retired inner-city public school teachers, they just believe in the Catholic version of Christianity.

Every religion has bad shiat tied to it. I'm just a non-believer, but not quite an atheist. I just don't get the Fark-hate for anyone who is different than the poster. I have good friends who are Orthodox and Reform Jews, Muslim, Catholic, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Buddhist, Hindu, Wiccan, Mormon, Hardcore Atheist, and Agnostic. My Jewish and Muslim friends The different yet similar belief structures of all of us are part of what makes people having different beliefs so interesting.

Sorry, maybe I'm thinking too deep for Fark. My Jewish and Muslim friends, and my Catholic and Protestant friends have been able to sit down and have a beer (I didn't say the Muslims are traditional style) and play some video games. Hell, I'm a Chargers fan and one of my best friends is a Raiders fan.

/can't we all just get along?
 
2010-04-02 10:44:19 PM  
Oh for...Octopus. Is there anything that can't be Godwinned? Anything at all?
 
2010-04-02 10:44:55 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: Born to Die: I've been alive nearly 48 years and this is without question the most outrageous, offensive thing I've ever heard. How anyone could continue identifying themselves as Catholic after this is, quite frankly, disgusting.

No one stopped calling themselves American during the reign of George W Bush. The life Jesus called us to live has nothing to do with a few bad people who happened to wrest control away from the folks who aren't crazy. The church has endured worse and this span of atrocities which are not representative of the whole church is a small blip in the history, and the church continues to be. The administration cannot ever take away what it means with their missteps and outright despicable behavior.


And no one will stop calling themselves Christians. They however should stop calling themselves catholic. Just like after Bush people didn't want a continuation of his policies and voted for something else, so should Christians vote for something else by finding a church that does not abuse children, nor condones abusing children, nor covers up all evidence of abuse of children, nor moves molesters of children from parish to parish so they always have a fresh flock to abuse, nor compares exposing of the skeletons in their closet to the persecution suffered by the Jews.
 
2010-04-02 10:45:05 PM  

professorkowalski: I thought it was a Hindu thing. No, they're the ones into marrying kids when they are six. Gotta get the best ones. farking creepy.


I think what we can agree is that children are like potato chips for religious people- they just can't eat one.
 
2010-04-02 10:45:10 PM  
you can't cry persecution if you are not a minority.
 
2010-04-02 10:47:53 PM  

EighthundredmillionthFarker: Hobodeluxe: yeah well the Jews didn't diddle young boys and systemically cover it up

Yeah, I'm sure there's never been a Rabbi that diddled little boys and then covered it up.


There has. It made it to Fark not that long ago. Some Rabbi in New York.
 
2010-04-02 10:48:01 PM  
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2010-04-02 10:48:12 PM  

Tachikoma: I heard about this on NPR today and couldn't believe my ears. Whining about the diddling I had heard, but comparing it to the Holocaust!?


Heard the same thing, I was dumbfounded.

But after doing some checking, the guy never compared it to the Holocaust. He said the press was attacking because they were anti-Catholic, and he said it was like anti-Semitism. It's other groups who claimed he was comparing the scandal to the Holocaust. He didn't do that, but naturally considering the Church's history with the Holocaust and anti-Semitism, the comparisons were going to be made. It's completely inappropriate and just plain stupid. Especially on Good Friday.

Worse, though, there are ordinary members of the church who believe what he was saying -- that the stories are mostly made up, or that the press is just using them to attack Catholics out of malice. This makes it even harder on the victims, and for the church to actually face up to its failures on this issue and correct them.
 
2010-04-02 10:48:20 PM  
FTA: "the passing from personal responsibility and guilt to a collective guilt remind me of...anti-Semitism."

Has there been even one case where those who have attacked the Church during the course of this controversy have advocated violence against priests?
 
2010-04-02 10:48:33 PM  
Really, when you think about it, this whole uproar over priests molesting kids is just as bad as the persecution of the Jews. At least that's how one member of the Vatican sees it.

FTFS
 
2010-04-02 10:48:41 PM  
Can't we all just agree that people with different imaginary friends (that are actually the same imaginary friend) but have different views on whether on not that friend fathered a son with an imaginary virgin (cause you either got diddled, or you didn't) who was then imaginary pregnant (never was sure about this part) except that she gave birth to a real son, but when he died he came back to life again, unless you imagine that he didn't, are being persecuted for things that aren't their fault (except that one group has been persecuted for being born into a particular group and the other has been persecuted for diddling little children)?

/who says diddled?
 
2010-04-02 10:48:59 PM  
This pisses me off.

First let me say I beg of everyone to please not confuse human weakness with the actual church teachings. That's the problem with the world, it's run by people who are imperfect. What I'm saying is please don't lump priest's actions with Catholicism. They're separate entirely. It's an easy trap to get into (e.g. all muslims bomb everything), but it's one you have to avoid.


On to the rage.
I was raised Roman Catholic, but haven't attended church or gone to confession etc in a long time. I basically left for two reasons. One being personal (disagreeances, etc), and the other because of the people.

You won't more miserable, two-faced, lying, uncaring, phony, arrogant people than at church. And if these allegations against the new pope are true, then he must be excommunicated. NO questions. I'm so sick and farking tired of hearing about abuse of children. You're the CATHOLIC CHURCH!! You don't see why this is a big deal?
"Is there not abuse elsewhere? Why are we singled out?"
BECAUSE YOU'RE THE CHURCH YOU IDIOT

Covering up abuse of children is unacceptable. That's it. Unacceptable. Stop this cover up bullshiat and deal with it. You might not gain back the loss of attendance this has caused, but you'll at least gain some respect back.
 
2010-04-02 10:49:05 PM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: I think what we can agree is that children are like potato chips for religious people- they just can't eat one.


That's exactly what it is. But it's not just about the sexual things the churchs do these days, it's been done by every religion and culture for thousands of years. Child sacrifice has been common since God knows when. Unfortunately it's always gonna be like this.
 
2010-04-02 10:50:12 PM  

Hobodeluxe: yeah well the Jews didn't diddle young boys and systemically cover it up


Which Jews?
 
2010-04-02 10:50:17 PM  
Yeah, because the church has always viewed a person's sexual urges as something biological that they were born with, and not a choice.
 
2010-04-02 10:51:21 PM  
EighthundredmillionthFarker: Yeah, I'm sure there's never been a Rabbi that diddled little boys and then covered it up.

Repeated because it's too farking retarded to resist.
 
2010-04-02 10:51:58 PM  
This whole mess makes me glad that the average age of priests and nuns is skyrocketing. They still have tons of followers, but far fewer young people are willing to give up their futures to buy into this crap anymore, which will be the death/marginalization of the whole silly institution in thirty or forty years.
 
2010-04-02 10:52:18 PM  
Other than cats with fiddles?

/obviously
 
2010-04-02 10:53:54 PM  

Ponzholio: Does the headline count as a Goodwin? Because if not, I'd like to say- You know who else persecuted Jews?


Everyone.

Everyone persecuted Jews.

Anyone who denies this is a denier.
 
2010-04-02 10:54:02 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: Repeated because I'm too farking retarded to resist.

 
2010-04-02 10:54:06 PM  

I know more than you: And no one will stop calling themselves Christians. They however should stop calling themselves catholic. Just like after Bush people didn't want a continuation of his policies and voted for something else, so should Christians vote for something else by finding a church that does not abuse children, nor condones abusing children, nor covers up all evidence of abuse of children, nor moves molesters of children from parish to parish so they always have a fresh flock to abuse, nor compares exposing of the skeletons in their closet to the persecution suffered by the Jews.


I am always ready to shout down ignorance and bullshiat at my parish. Unlike most people I know, I chose to become Catholic. I don't shrug off the atrocities because I don't know how to cut something out of my life like a lot of born and raised Catholics. But like I said, none of those things that you mentioned encompass in any way what it means to be a Catholic, so I will be damned if I am going to let someone else destroy the thing I have chosen by walking away from it. The best way to effect change is from the inside.
 
2010-04-02 10:54:20 PM  
I don't really give a fark what the catholic church and their dumbass deciples do, except when it affects me personally.

When I'm unemployed and needing food I can go get a crap load of good food from the local parish. I'm usually the only white guy there and it seems to me they are making it just a little more difficult than they need to, but I get my food and am happy.

This is all I care about - they are doing exactly what the bible says jeebus does.

I asked for food and they gave it to me. Sorry about anyone's kid that got butt farked.
 
2010-04-02 10:57:19 PM  
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Stop persecuting us!
 
2010-04-02 10:58:10 PM  
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Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design.

/hot like force lightning
 
2010-04-02 10:59:35 PM  

professorkowalski: SockMonkeyHolocaust: Yeah, sex with children is more of a Muslim thing.

I thought it was a Hindu thing. No, they're the ones into marrying kids when they are six. Gotta get the best ones. farking creepy.



Well, here's an article from Saudi Arabia about the marriage of a 12 year old girl to an 80 year old man (new window).
 
2010-04-02 10:59:53 PM  

Farker T: Ponzholio: Does the headline count as a Goodwin? Because if not, I'd like to say- You know who else persecuted Jews?

Everyone.

Everyone persecuted Jews.

Anyone who denies this is a denier.


you, my friend, are crazy.
 
2010-04-02 11:00:51 PM  
I have sinned
/but i sho didnt touch no children
 
2010-04-02 11:01:31 PM  
Hyperbolic Hyperbole:

I am always ready to shout down ignorance and bullshiat at my parish. Unlike most people I know, I chose to become Catholic. I don't shrug off the atrocities because I don't know how to cut something out of my life like a lot of born and raised Catholics. But like I said, none of those things that you mentioned encompass in any way what it means to be a Catholic, so I will be damned if I am going to let someone else destroy the thing I have chosen by walking away from it. The best way to effect change is from the inside.


I want to thank you for posting that. It's not easy to say things like this in public, let alone on this website.
 
2010-04-02 11:01:54 PM  
I'm not usually offended by things but this whole situation pisses me off for four reasons now:

1) The initial crime of the priests abusing the boys (and girls).

2) The outrageous moral breech and crime of covering up the initial crime and moving priests back into positions where they could... molest children again and again.

3) The moral mindfarking the Church and these priests laid on boys by telling them that homosexuality was a grave sin and then having sex with them. In a situation like that, who can you confess to to receive absolution?

4) The fact that the Vatican is now pulling out the "homosexual = pedophiles" canard and the fact that they're claiming that they're the victims in this situation!
 
NNH
2010-04-02 11:02:38 PM  
Well you know, they could just stop with the boy raping. And Unsolicited priests in the anus?
 
2010-04-02 11:03:23 PM  
You've seen nothing yet. Wait till all the stories about the nun abuse are released
 
2010-04-02 11:03:39 PM  
To the guy who mentioned that Jews were murdered by the trainload ... I must add that the train cars were cattle cars stuffed to the gills with like one bucket to serve as a toilet. After a day or two in this condition, the first to die on board were the youngest infants and the elderly. And the cattle car chugged on to the death camps.
 
2010-04-02 11:03:44 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole:
No one stopped calling themselves American during the reign of George W Bush.


But there are a hell of a lot of Fark "Independents" running around this place.

The church has endured worse and this span of atrocities which are not representative of the whole church is a small blip in the history, and the church continues to be. The administration cannot ever take away what it means with their missteps and outright despicable behavior.

The Church used to be The Power in Europe. Kings trembled at the voice of the Pope lest they be excommunicated. The power in the Western world no longer rests in the Vatican. It rests in the secular governments of the nations they lead. The Church no longer has the freedom to inflict these atrocities on the world with impunity.

If the Catholic Church fails to adapt to a world where it is no longer the absolute power it will die. It is already dying. It only looks healthy because of the large number of African converts. Everywhere else the Church is losing members.
 
2010-04-02 11:04:18 PM  
Jesus loved the little children, which is why He's not allowed within half a mile of a school anymore.
 
2010-04-02 11:05:25 PM  

professorkowalski: I thought it was a Hindu thing. No, they're the ones into marrying kids when they are six. Gotta get the best ones. farking creepy.


No you're thinking of the Moroms, who marry little girls to seventy year-old men who already have twelve wives and excommunicate the boys from the church because they don't have enough women to go around.
 
2010-04-02 11:07:08 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: I will be damned if I am going to let someone else destroy the thing I have chosen by walking away from it. The best way to effect change is from the inside.


Problem is, every time Catholics try to effect change from the inside, the Church shuts them down (see "Voice of the Faithful"). So parishiners leave in droves, leaving behind only the crazy Opus Dei types who genuinely believe the Church is above the law and beyond reproach. And so it goes.

There's actually a good word for reasonable Catholics such as yourself: Episcopals.
 
2010-04-02 11:07:42 PM  
Did anyone actually read TFA? Smittard certainly didn't. The Vatican is distancing itself from the statements of a single priest.

I am all for a good game of Bash the Catholics, but this is not deserved.
 
2010-04-02 11:08:00 PM  
 
2010-04-02 11:10:34 PM  
I agree: the Inquisition (new window) was as bad as the persecution of the Jews.

Since the Pope's infallible, he can dismiss all of those in the line of command since 1184.
 
2010-04-02 11:11:00 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: No you're thinking of the Moroms, who marry little girls to seventy year-old men who already have twelve wives and excommunicate the boys from the church because they don't have enough women to go around.


I was talking more along the lines of the Hindus who pick prearrange marriages for there kids starting at such a young age. Creepy either way.
 
2010-04-02 11:11:30 PM  

Point02GPA: I was just following Orders.


OK, that was funny.

As an ex-Catholic, I would like to say that some priestly dick-diddling would have really improved the whole experience for me. There's nothing more boring for a young boy than Sunday Mass and Saturday catechism. I'd have been thrilled if someone took me aside and asked me to play nudie games and stuff.
 
2010-04-02 11:14:25 PM  

Ed Grubermann: The Church used to be The Power in Europe. Kings trembled at the voice of the Pope lest they be excommunicated. The power in the Western world no longer rests in the Vatican. It rests in the secular governments of the nations they lead. The Church no longer has the freedom to inflict these atrocities on the world with impunity.

If the Catholic Church fails to adapt to a world where it is no longer the absolute power it will die. It is already dying. It only looks healthy because of the large number of African converts. Everywhere else the Church is losing members.


Fair points all, but I believe the administration of the church, even if it was purely in an effort to grow at best, lost the thread of its existence in trying to become a political force and perhaps a good old fashioned shock to its system is good for it. When people who abuse the church for power and access to small children realize there's no power or small children to be had in it, perhaps we may finally see their rise to prominence at its end.

It is, as I connected it before, not entirely unlike the government. You have to be careful of the power you give it over the people because you will not always be there to make sure it is used correctly.
 
2010-04-02 11:14:38 PM  
I wish people would stop using words like "abuse" and "molest" and instead used the correct word to describe what has been going on for decades now, with full complicity of the church hierarchy: RAPE. of frickin CHILDREN! Why aren't these bastards in jail? Instead motherf*ckers like Cardinal Bernard Law, accessory to the rape of multiple children, is given some cushy job at the Vatican.
 
2010-04-02 11:15:25 PM  

CitizenTed: Point02GPA: I was just following Orders.

OK, that was funny.

As an ex-Catholic, I would like to say that some priestly dick-diddling would have really improved the whole experience for me. There's nothing more boring for a young boy than Sunday Mass and Saturday catechism. I'd have been thrilled if someone took me aside and asked me to play nudie games and stuff.


Same feeling here. Catechism sucked
 
2010-04-02 11:16:03 PM  

flyin1: Farker T: Ponzholio: Does the headline count as a Goodwin? Because if not, I'd like to say- You know who else persecuted Jews?

Everyone.

Everyone persecuted Jews.

Anyone who denies this is a denier.

flyin1: you, my friend, are crazy.


Denier!

/Do you deny being a denier?
 
2010-04-02 11:18:09 PM  

Saluki222: Did anyone actually read TFA? Smittard certainly didn't. The Vatican is distancing itself from the statements of a single priest.


I did.

FTFA: "Yet the official Vatican newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano, published the remarks in its Saturday edition, which appeared online on Friday evening."

There was no distancing by the Vatican until the shiat starting hitting the fan.
 
2010-04-02 11:19:26 PM  

Born to Die: I wish people would stop using words like "abuse" and "molest" and instead used the correct word to describe what has been going on for decades now, with full complicity of the church hierarchy: RAPE


In many cases the boys were not "raped" (which in our society indicates penetrative sex). There was an article recently in the Philadelphia Magazine about a local priest who molested boys. He didn't like to fark them; he liked to suck them off, so his technique involved coercion more than force; he used money and drugs to control his victims who he continued to take advantage of into their 20's.

"Molestation" and "abuse" cover all the cases; "rape" does not.
 
2010-04-02 11:22:48 PM  
Is it just me or did anyone else immediately think "that guy has been diddling little boys."?
 
2010-04-02 11:24:39 PM  
http://exposemolesters.blogspot.com/
 
2010-04-02 11:26:53 PM  

Hobodeluxe: yeah well the Jews didn't diddle young boys and systemically cover it up


They semitically covered it up.
That's how sneaky they are.
 
2010-04-02 11:29:14 PM  

inthrees: Is it just me or did anyone else immediately think "that guy has been diddling little boys."?


It was not just you.

And I'm also thinking that as a kid, Bill Donahue was diddled by his beloved priest.
 
2010-04-02 11:29:23 PM  

LouisvilleMale33: http://exposemolesters.blogspot.com/


Both sides are bad. So vote Catholic?
 
2010-04-02 11:30:52 PM  
Translation: "You big meanies leave us alone so we can diddle little boys in peace!"
 
2010-04-02 11:31:53 PM  
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2010-04-02 11:32:24 PM  
"We fix it from the inside! We can change it if we're faithful and work hard! They're not fundamentally bad, I can fix them. "

hmmm, where have I heard that notion before? Oh yeah, from every beaten spouse who goes back to their partners right before they get their teeth knocked out by a pan.

Once you've crossed a line, there is no 'reconciliation'. It's like rabies, once the dog's gone over the edge, you gotta put it down.

You don't get second chances after violating children and then using your organization to cover it up across the world.
 
2010-04-02 11:33:36 PM  
I'm still waiting for God to smite the f*ck out of somebody over this. Why doesn't He?
 
2010-04-02 11:33:57 PM  

LouisvilleMale33: http://exposemolesters.blogspot.com/


How strange, it looks like molesters in other religions are subject to secular laws.
 
2010-04-02 11:34:28 PM  
The Jews raped little boys too, like the Catholic priests? I always wondered why they were persecuted.
 
2010-04-02 11:34:29 PM  

flyin1: you can't cry persecution if you are not a minority.


^Rule^

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^Exception^
 
2010-04-02 11:37:02 PM  

MobiusStripJoint: I'm still waiting for God to smite the f*ck out of somebody over this. Why doesn't He?


I'll give you three guesses.
 
2010-04-02 11:38:57 PM  
When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.
 
2010-04-02 11:39:47 PM  

thunderbird8804: MobiusStripJoint: I'm still waiting for God to smite the f*ck out of somebody over this. Why doesn't He?

I'll give you three guesses.


Is it because God is busy at Mobius' strip joint?

/If I were God, that's where I'd be
 
2010-04-02 11:40:28 PM  
Hey numb nuts Cardinal dude....It's about the children, you idiot. The children's welfare! It's not about the Pope, the Catholic church, some priests, the Jews. It's about the Children dumbass.

Stop worrying about what people are saying about the Church and start worrying about the Children for once.
 
2010-04-02 11:45:43 PM  

sure haven't: Hyperbolic Hyperbole:

I am always ready to shout down ignorance and bullshiat at my parish. Unlike most people I know, I chose to become Catholic. I don't shrug off the atrocities because I don't know how to cut something out of my life like a lot of born and raised Catholics. But like I said, none of those things that you mentioned encompass in any way what it means to be a Catholic, so I will be damned if I am going to let someone else destroy the thing I have chosen by walking away from it. The best way to effect change is from the inside.

I want to thank you for posting that. It's not easy to say things like this in public, let alone on this website.


And that's what separates the men from the boys, so to speak. People who are without faith (and think they might want it) would do better to see a demonstration of good will rather than a bunch of proslytizing. I think that's what it boils down to.

I won't be converting tomorrow, but this is what the Catholics I know are doing; they feed the hungry and just try to help people out without all the dogma. I think that's pretty cool.
 
2010-04-02 11:46:26 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: "Molestation" and "abuse" cover all the cases; "rape" does not.


-9/10, you douche.
you are 30 cents shy of a nickle
 
2010-04-02 11:46:50 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: I am always ready to shout down ignorance and bullshiat at my parish. Unlike most people I know, I chose to become Catholic. I don't shrug off the atrocities because I don't know how to cut something out of my life like a lot of born and raised Catholics. But like I said, none of those things that you mentioned encompass in any way what it means to be a Catholic, so I will be damned if I am going to let someone else destroy the thing I have chosen by walking away from it. The best way to effect change is from the inside.


"change is from the inside."
I see you don't have much experience with the catholic church. Calling for change, especially when you're a nobody in the church means excommunication and all your friends and family will be forced to shun you or be excommunicated too. This is not something many catholics are willing to go through.

"so I will be damned if I am going to let someone else destroy the thing I have chosen by walking away from it"
You should read what you write here. It sounds very callous and inconsiderate (if not outright stupid) to an outsider. Are you infallible? Can you make no bad choices? Does no path in your life ever call for reconsidering?

"The best way to effect change is from the inside."
No, that's actually the worst way to effect change. Because until you have managed to convert all one billion catholics to your variant of faith you will be sending money to the Vatican allowing them to bribe law enforcement, broadcast media campaigns, buy a flight ticket for a priest so he can go molest children in a new country where no one knows about his pedophilic tendencies, you'll be a statistic the Vatican can point to saying: "so many people support us, what we do can't be that bad!" By being a member you offer material support to an organization that can only be described as criminal.

"none of those things that you mentioned encompass in any way what it means to be a Catholic"
I strongly disagree. Such a huge amount of abuse is not something seen anywhere outside of the catholic church. The policies of the church (celibacy for priests, not making bad news public, considering themselves an authority on par with nations) are what cause the abuse. Jesus didn't need a pope to be kind to the people around him, a Christian doesn't need a pope either.
 
2010-04-02 11:46:55 PM  
I am not Catholic, but I am a Christian. Sadly, the scum of any religion, any race, any belief get far more air-time than the majority of faithful believers who don't go around diddling kids or protesting funerals of those who have died in the service of our country.

Personally, I would like to take these priests and toss them into that special hell with the those who use their phones in theaters. A pedophile is sick enough, but children are taught to respect and obey the clergy. The clergy has an extra responsibility to behave. If this were a secular job, their butts would handed over for trial.
 
2010-04-02 11:47:19 PM  

Farker T: thunderbird8804: MobiusStripJoint: I'm still waiting for God to smite the f*ck out of somebody over this. Why doesn't He?

I'll give you three guesses.

Is it because God is busy at Mobius' strip joint?

/If I were God, that's where I'd be


I hate to think that religion is all just bullsh*t and that the Catholic Church is really just a world-wide corporation. That can't be it, can it?
 
2010-04-02 11:48:04 PM  
The Vatican has dug themselves into a huge hole.

Their response? Keep Digging!

The fact that they're continuing to dig suggests they really, really have no comprehension as to how serious this scandal is.

The Vatican is deep in denial. Since the man in his ivory tower won't resign, I won't be surprised if this causes a schism in the church.
 
2010-04-02 11:48:25 PM  
Makes me wonder how many children have been sold into sexual slavery under both religious guises over the centuries.

Sick marderfarkers.
 
2010-04-02 11:48:26 PM  

vudukungfu: Dwight_Yeast: "Molestation" and "abuse" cover all the cases; "rape" does not.

-9/10, you douche.
you are 30 cents shy of a nickle


That was so kind! Coming from one of Fark's biggest trolls, that means a lot. I'm actually blushing!
 
2010-04-02 11:50:13 PM  

RandomRandom: The Vatican has dug themselves into a huge hole.

Their response? Keep Digging!

The fact that they're continuing to dig suggests they really, really have no comprehension as to how serious this scandal is.

The Vatican is deep in denial. Since the man in his ivory tower won't resign, I won't be surprised if this causes a schism jism in the church.


It's more likely than you think.
 
2010-04-02 11:50:40 PM  

I know more than you: Nazis picked a group in society (Jews) who had done nothing wrong to them...


No you don't.
 
2010-04-02 11:53:34 PM  
Well, they both garner about equal hate here on Fark.
 
2010-04-02 11:54:00 PM  

therabbitofcaerbannog: Did that guy just Godwin a sermon?

 
2010-04-02 11:54:49 PM  

Tachikoma: Covering up the fact that your religion is sexually abusing children is in no way comparable to genocide.


van buren and jasckson were pre-nazi party.
nazis took cues from both
nazis participated in both child rape and genocide, as did the USA
/native american
//never forgets who's land this is
///you are arguing in a wind tunnel if you side with with anyone other than the victims here.
 
2010-04-02 11:55:32 PM  
Why the fark hasn't the FBI gotten around to investigating a group taking orders from overseas to cover up crimes that occurred in the United States?


Isn't that what they're for?
 
2010-04-02 11:55:52 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Coming from one of Fark's biggest trolls


douche is as douche does, douchewad
 
2010-04-02 11:58:35 PM  
Fundamentalist run countries take note: this is what happens once you let your country become progressive.

Better maintain the status quo to protect all YOUR dirty secrets!
 
2010-04-02 11:59:59 PM  

vudukungfu: douche is as douche does, douchewad


Is that your family motto, darling?
 
2010-04-03 12:00:12 AM  

The Southern Dandy: Hey numb nuts Cardinal dude....It's about the children, you idiot. The children's welfare! It's not about the Pope, the Catholic church, some priests, the Jews. It's about the Children dumbass.

Stop worrying about what people are saying about the Church and start worrying about the Children for once.


makes you wonder about the real motivation behind the Catholic Church's anti-contraceptive preachings. More little lambs for the shepherds.
 
2010-04-03 12:00:56 AM  
Since research shows Evangelical sects are far, far worse on a per capita basis, I tend to agree with the Vatican on this one. There is a political motive behind the focus on catholics that is irrational and harmful.
 
2010-04-03 12:02:21 AM  

RockIsDead: Well, they both garner about equal hate here on Fark.


Hate??? I wouldn't put it past awe.
 
2010-04-03 12:02:57 AM  

Dwight_Yeast:
Is that your family motto, darling?


I heard it from your mama in an alley behind a pool hall in steelton one rainy night.
 
2010-04-03 12:03:41 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Since research shows Evangelical sects are far, far worse on a per capita basis, I tend to agree with the Vatican on this one. There is a political motive behind the focus on catholics that is irrational and harmful.


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2010-04-03 12:03:48 AM  

Man On Pink Corner: Paging nicksteel...


Dammit, you had to do it, didn't you?

Y'know, at this point I don't know whether to continue to be outraged and keep telling the truth about my time as part of that hierarchy, or just keep quiet and send the "That's right, assholes, just keep it up" vibes.
 
2010-04-03 12:05:49 AM  

vudukungfu: I heard it from your mama in an alley behind a pool hall in steelton one rainy night.


I do hope she didn't give you head; Dr Hardy says that Mamma that the most virulent case of herpes he's ever seen. Said it'd cause a man's microdick to drop right off after a week.

You should probably go to a clinic.
 
2010-04-03 12:06:44 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Since research shows Evangelical sects are far, far worse on a per capita basis, I tend to agree with the Vatican on this one. There is a political motive behind the focus on catholics that is irrational and harmful.


Here, I got you a present:

[citation needed]

 
2010-04-03 12:09:17 AM  

EviLincoln: Why the fark hasn't the FBI gotten around to investigating a group taking orders from overseas to cover up crimes that occurred in the United States?


What are they going to do? Take the case to the Supreme Court?

Guffaw.
 
2010-04-03 12:11:33 AM  
The Catholic church farked up and it won't admit it. You can't tell men they can't have any pussy and then expect everything will be fine.

Yes, you can build up centuries of high-falutin', scholarly-sounding bullshiat around your dogma to make it sound all devine (and get the masses to swallow it) and official, but in the end you're just a goddamned Pharasee and a piece of shiat like any other sinner.

It amazes me that anyone who espouses the teachings of Jesus Christ can't see this, yet they've been blind to it for millenia, and anyone who has studied any theology knows it. You'd have to be a mental masturbator to ignore it.

Oh wait, did I offend you? Sorry, go on about butt farking that little kid in the fourth row from the back. We know god meant it to be that way.
 
2010-04-03 12:12:06 AM  
I guess Pope Benedict would be in a good position to evaluate the Holocaust and Catholic pederasty, comparatively speaking.
 
2010-04-03 12:13:09 AM  

RandomRandom: The Vatican is deep in denial. Since the man in his ivory tower won't resign, I won't be surprised if this causes a schism in the church.


Interesting. So we can choose between the man/boy church, and the woman/girl church?
 
2010-04-03 12:16:12 AM  

MobiusStripJoint: Farker T: thunderbird8804: MobiusStripJoint: I'm still waiting for God to smite the f*ck out of somebody over this. Why doesn't He?

I'll give you three guesses.

Is it because God is busy at Mobius' strip joint?

/If I were God, that's where I'd be

I hate to think that religion is all just bullsh*t and that the Catholic Church is really just a world-wide corporation. That can't be it, can it?


Many religions (Catholics included) predate the concept of "corporation", so no, not really.

Religion has served its purpose in humanity, and along with its contemporary siblings, continues to do so. But I would hope that we're evolving beyond that phase.

In the mind, two things exist: The perceived and the perceiver. The illusion and the observer. Nothing exists beyond this.

Many seem to have a difficult time coping with the responsibility that this implies, and prefer to defer to an unknown/unknowable "bigger than me" authority.

This is repeated in the secular ideologies that we subscribe to as well, whether they be social or political movements, or what have you.

But it seems to me that there is, in fact, only ONE thing.

And you and I are it.
 
2010-04-03 12:20:04 AM  

Gyrfalcon: I guess Pope Benedict would be in a good position to evaluate the Holocaust and Catholic pederasty, comparatively speaking.


HoloCatholic pederasty FTW!
 
2010-04-03 12:32:31 AM  

Farker T: But it seems to me that there is, in fact, only ONE thing.

And you and I are it.


I dunno but this sorta reminds me of that whole "flat earth, sun revolving around us thing" for some reason.
 
2010-04-03 12:46:25 AM  

Degenz: Farker T: But it seems to me that there is, in fact, only ONE thing.

And you and I are it.

Degenz: I dunno but this sorta reminds me of that whole "flat earth, sun revolving around us thing" for some reason.


Yeah. I understand.

But this is only because you insist on boxing outside the think.

Mind your open, dude!
 
2010-04-03 12:49:31 AM  

Degenz: The Catholic church farked up and it won't admit it. You can't tell men they can't have any pussy and then expect everything will be fine.

Yes, you can build up centuries of high-falutin', scholarly-sounding bullshiat around your dogma to make it sound all devine (and get the masses to swallow it) and official, but in the end you're just a goddamned Pharasee and a piece of shiat like any other sinner.

It amazes me that anyone who espouses the teachings of Jesus Christ can't see this, yet they've been blind to it for millenia, and anyone who has studied any theology knows it. You'd have to be a mental masturbator to ignore it.

Oh wait, did I offend you? Sorry, go on about butt farking that little kid in the fourth row from the back. We know god meant it to be that way.



Actually, I think this (the above) is what they're talking about when they liken anti-Catholicism to antisemitism. But hey, I'm sure this time it's perfectly okay to take all the members of a religion and paint them with the most negative brush available. I mean, it's not like that practice has caused any difficulty in the past.
 
2010-04-03 12:50:21 AM  
Can anyone imagine how this could get any worse ? I mean, it seems like every time some cardinal opens his mouth, the disaster just gets bigger. This amount of splendid PR would've already had the head of any company fired, no matter its size. Maybe someone should tell them to just shut up ?
 
2010-04-03 12:51:15 AM  
I've been taking a course where they go over the cultural model that categorizes universalism versus particularism. In a particular culture (like Korean) more than half the people apparently would not report a murderer if they were their friend. It sounds very much like this is the issue with the Vatican -- instead of seeing it as universally wrong, they go "well he's one of us, and he says he's sorry, and we can't besmirch our reputation ..."

Anyway, the reason we can't understand their action and they can't understand our outrage is due to this fundamental difference: universalism versus particularism.
 
2010-04-03 12:54:24 AM  
Pope Benny could nip this all in the bud by pulling out the papal infallibility card:

By the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and by our own authority, we pronounce, declare, and define it to be a divinely revealed dogma: that sweet, sweet boy ass and mouth and penis are the irrefutable fruits of our labor. Hence if anyone, which God forbid, should dare willfully to deny or to call into doubt that which We have defined, let him know that he has fallen away completely from the divine and Catholic Faith.
 
2010-04-03 12:54:51 AM  

jabelar: well he's one of us, and he says he's sorry, and we can't besmirch our reputation ..."


2 words
stockholm
syndrom
 
2010-04-03 01:03:47 AM  
So they are suggesting that we put priests is gas chambers? Works for me...
 
2010-04-03 01:08:49 AM  
ehhhh at this point why don't the disenchanted Catholics join the Episcopalian church or start their own thing. What is it about the Catholic brand (TM) that is so attractive that no other denomination will do?
 
2010-04-03 01:15:30 AM  

greentea1985: Well, at least Pope Benedict has succeeded in setting Catholic-Jewish relations back to their pre-JPII, Vatican II status. Seriously, does this guy no how to handle any PR issues. He needs to come clean about the abuse, clean house of the abusers and tolerated the abuses, and apologize to the victims. Then he'll get the moral high ground again. He also needs to stop destroying JPII's legacy of strengthening the Catholic Church's relationship with other religions.


Again?
 
2010-04-03 01:30:31 AM  

Egalitarian: ehhhh at this point why don't the disenchanted Catholics join the Episcopalian church or start their own thing. What is it about the Catholic brand (TM) that is so attractive that no other denomination will do?


Ten years ago I would have listed all the things Catholics hold true that aren't shared by other Christian faiths, and why true Catholics wouldn't feel welcome in even the Episcopal church.

But looking back, it's one thing and one thing only that keeps disenchanted Catholics there: battered spouse's syndrome.

I knew early on God made me gay, and I always thought the Church would do what was best, so for years I held onto a pipe dream that if I was a good enough Catholic the Church would love me. It took a step back for me to realize how emotionally traumatizing it was just to "cling on" to false hope. I'm much happier now that I'm in another gay-friendly church, and I can only pray other disenfranchised Catholics can find a better (and healthier) home elsewhere.
 
2010-04-03 01:30:43 AM  

ukexpat: So they are suggesting that we put priests is gas chambers? Works for me...


Wow. It's amazing how many people are missing Cantalamessa's point.
He's not saying for an instant that the abusers of children are anything other than the worst sort of criminals.

What he is saying, is that it's not okay to judge an entire group by the actions of a tiny minority of its members.

Every time you say 'all those priests are...' or 'the thing with those Catholics is...' I challenge you to face the [Citation Needed] banner.

Here, who's up for a slice of a different sacred cow for a second?

On September 11, 2001, 19 men committed a reprehensible atrocity which scarred the world and killed thousands. Those men were followers of Islam, and claimed what they were doing was in keeping with their faith. Hundreds, maybe thousands, of suicide bombers have followed in their heinous footsteps.

So now, it is popular to believe that if we can't put every Muslim we see in jail, at the very least we can mock them, misinterpret their beliefs, and show the most ridiculous caricature and call it an accurate representation. I mean, they brought this on themselves, right? It's perfectly okay to hate them. This ridicule is warranted because there's SOMETHING WRONG WITH ISLAM. (Just to be clear, Farkers, I'm being sarcastic here)

(Cue the 'This Is An Outrage Pic' here)

We have a larger problem in the Catholic Church than just 19 men. But it's still an extremely small minority, and you won't find a Catholic anywhere who calls the men who abused children as anything other than criminals. But still we say that despite the overwhelming number of Catholics who would never dream of allowing such crimes to exist or go unpunished, the lies, caricatures and ridicules come forward, because there's clearly SOMETHING WRONG WITH CATHOLICISM.

This crisis does not represent Catholicism, just like 9/11 doesn't represent Islam. It's the actions of a small, perverse minority of Individuals. But it's just easier for us to paint them all with the same brush. Wrong, but easier.

/Glad to be a Catholic
//Furious at the actions of these criminals who abuse children, want to see them rotting in a jail cell or worse
///Unsurprised at anti-Catholic bigotry, but please, at least try to be creative. This is Fark, I expect prejudices of a higher caliber. You guys are getting lazy.
 
2010-04-03 01:41:58 AM  

mmmerf: Here, who's up for a slice of a different sacred cow for a second?

On September 11, 2001, 19 men committed a reprehensible atrocity which scarred the world and killed thousands. Those men were followers of Islam, and claimed what they were doing was in keeping with their faith. Hundreds, maybe thousands, of suicide bombers have followed in their heinous footsteps.

So now, it is popular to believe that if we can't put every Muslim we see in jail, at the very least we can mock them, misinterpret their beliefs, and show the most ridiculous caricature and call it an accurate representation. I mean, they brought this on themselves, right? It's perfectly okay to hate them. This ridicule is warranted because there's SOMETHING WRONG WITH ISLAM. (Just to be clear, Farkers, I'm being sarcastic here)

(Cue the 'This Is An Outrage Pic' here)

We have a larger problem in the Catholic Church than just 19 men. But it's still an extremely small minority, and you won't find a Catholic anywhere who calls the men who abused children as anything other than criminals. But still we say that despite the overwhelming number of Catholics who would never dream of allowing such crimes to exist or go unpunished, the lies, caricatures and ridicules come forward, because there's clearly SOMETHING WRONG WITH CATHOLICISM.


I understand the defense you're using, and to a certain extent I agree that a needless expansion of blame where it doesn't belong is uncalled for.

That being said, the thing about the 9/11 and Islam analogy is that Sunni Islam (which the 9/11 attackers were members of) is rather decentralized. You cannot point to one Sunni and say he is the leader of all Sunnis. They did have a common spiritual leader (Bin Laden) who encouraged them to do terrible things, however, and the US was right in going after him because of that.

The Catholic Church is by nature rather centralized. I know that American Catholics are both American and Catholic, and just because you're Catholic doesn't mean you agree with everything the church does, but the fact remains that the individual parish churches are strongly controlled by the Diocese in which they are located, and the bishop of said Diocese is in turn controlled by the Vatican. This is why when crimes occur at the Parish level, and rather than being reported to local authorities for the crimes they are, orders from the Diocese or Vatican level tell them to just move the priest and ignore the claims, the Diocese or Vatican is responsible for covering up a crime.
 
2010-04-03 01:48:02 AM  

mmmerf: We have a larger problem in the Catholic Church than just 19 men. But it's still an extremely small minority, and you won't find a Catholic anywhere who calls the men who abused children as anything other than criminals. But still we say that despite the overwhelming number of Catholics who would never dream of allowing such crimes to exist or go unpunished, the lies, caricatures and ridicules come forward, because there's clearly SOMETHING WRONG WITH CATHOLICISM.


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Sorry, but as soon as any organization with abusive members systematically attempts to shield its members from prosecution and silence their victims, it can no longer excuse itself by saying that only an extremely small minority of its members engage in such abuse.
 
2010-04-03 01:48:51 AM  

MobiusStripJoint: I'm still waiting for God to smite the f*ck out of somebody over this. Why doesn't He?


Why should He? Farkers here seem more than willing to.
 
2010-04-03 01:52:38 AM  

Mouser: MobiusStripJoint: I'm still waiting for God to smite the f*ck out of somebody over this. Why doesn't He?

Why should He? Farkers here seem more than willing to.


Farkers don't have the power to incinerate people with bolts of lightning.
 
2010-04-03 01:52:40 AM  

anfrind:

Sorry, but as soon as any organization with abusive members systematically attempts to shield its members from prosecution and silence their victims, it can no longer excuse itself by saying that only an extremely small minority of its members engage in such abuse.


[Citation Needed]
 
2010-04-03 01:54:23 AM  

mmmerf: anfrind:

Sorry, but as soon as any organization with abusive members systematically attempts to shield its members from prosecution and silence their victims, it can no longer excuse itself by saying that only an extremely small minority of its members engage in such abuse.

[Citation Needed]


Don't be retarded.
 
2010-04-03 02:23:37 AM  
I really don't give a damn about the "reputation" of the Catholic Church. I am more concerned with the abuse of innocents.

From Mathew Ch 7 (Jesus speaking):

15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'


What does this say about the Catholic Church? The Phelp's Westboro gang? Those who preach hate of Jews (Christ was a Jew - the most perfect Jew)? Those who teach hate of people because of their race, nationality, sexual preference? Lately we're told to hate Christians who speak up for the poor & suffering and those who just want to get medical care without being bankrupted.

Folks, Jesus warned us about these kinds of people and groups. I know it is fashionable to lump all of us who believe in Christ together, but just because someone "comes in Jesus' name" doesn't mean he is acting in the will of God. If what they do and say causes harm - like abusing children - the "fruit" they produce should give you a clue that they aren't really followers of Jesus. Discernment is required, not just in science, politics, or personal relationships, but most especially in spiritual matters.

I will now step down from my soapbox - carry on.
 
2010-04-03 02:24:49 AM  
Can we stop with the Nazis/Jews thing being the only comparable thing in history for genocide. There is Armenia/Turks, Tutsis/Hutus, Yugoslavia, Cambodia, events in Stalinist Russia, Darfour and other major unfortunate events in history I have forgotten to mention.

The Germans were quite effective with their use of punch cards, however I am for one tired of watching the same movie about what happened in WWII told in pretty much the same way. The Tin Drum was Great, Shinder's list was also great. There are some great compassionate sleeper movies from Germany on this too. There are way too many other lackluster movies with the same look doing the very same thing.

Want to do something about the world, try to do something for living refugees in Darfour.

/No hate here, sometimes it is just time to move on to what you can change.
 
2010-04-03 02:38:57 AM  
But it's still an extremely small minority, and you won't find a Catholic anywhere who calls the men who abused children as anything other than criminals.

It's the same excuse used by apologists for the Muslims: the problem is caused by a small minority etc. However, there is no cry from the mosques and the mullahs to the faithful to do everything in their power to shut down terrorists and terrorism. I doubt (although time will tell) that there will be any sermons that exhort all Catholics to cleanse the church of pedophiles, i.e., to seek out and publicly "out" the priests that are responsible for the act or for the cover-up.
 
2010-04-03 03:30:35 AM  

Egalitarian: ehhhh at this point why don't the disenchanted Catholics join the Episcopalian church or start their own thing. What is it about the Catholic brand (TM) that is so attractive that no other denomination will do?


Why not go Eastern Orthodox? It looks to my agnostic eyes like a mirror of the Catholic church, but without a Pope....

/ The icons are pretty cool looking too...
 
2010-04-03 03:36:42 AM  

Egalitarian: What is it about the Catholic brand (TM) that is so attractive that no other denomination will do?


Guaranteed salvation or double your money back. Nobody can beat an offer like that, I'm sure!
 
2010-04-03 03:56:23 AM  

mmmerf: Degenz: The Catholic church farked up and it won't admit it. You can't tell men they can't have any pussy and then expect everything will be fine.

Yes, you can build up centuries of high-falutin', scholarly-sounding bullshiat around your dogma to make it sound all devine (and get the masses to swallow it) and official, but in the end you're just a goddamned Pharasee and a piece of shiat like any other sinner.

It amazes me that anyone who espouses the teachings of Jesus Christ can't see this, yet they've been blind to it for millenia, and anyone who has studied any theology knows it. You'd have to be a mental masturbator to ignore it.

Oh wait, did I offend you? Sorry, go on about butt farking that little kid in the fourth row from the back. We know god meant it to be that way.


Actually, I think this (the above) is what they're talking about when they liken anti-Catholicism to antisemitism. But hey, I'm sure this time it's perfectly okay to take all the members of a religion and paint them with the most negative brush available. I mean, it's not like that practice has caused any difficulty in the past.


My bad, I totally forgot about the Vatican launching a pre-emptive nuclear strike on Iran. But I digress.

Your reasoning seems to be the same as the cops when they say, yea, it's just one or two bad apples, not like it spoils the whole bunch...even if they all know the hierarchy will cover up for them no matter who gets hurt.

Like gazillions of little innocent kids whose lives are totally farked up, that's who got hurt. And if you try to blame us we'll pull some shiat out of our ass and make you feel guilty about it.fark you, you farking sypathizer of child molesters. It's either wrong or it's not. Quit hiding behind some chickshiat excuse.
 
2010-04-03 05:36:46 AM  
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2010-04-03 05:46:08 AM  
depends on how you look at it, it's true they're not doing much to stop either from taking place so i guess it's similar
 
2010-04-03 05:55:33 AM  
"Really, when you think about it, this whole uproar over priests molesting kids is just as bad as the persecution of the Jews. At least that's how the Vatican sees it"

Which the Vatican was also a part of, ironically enough...
 
2010-04-03 06:19:05 AM  

greentea1985: Well, at least Pope Benedict has succeeded in setting Catholic-Jewish relations back to their pre-JPII, Vatican II status. Seriously, does this guy no how to handle any PR issues. He needs to come clean about the abuse, clean house of the abusers and tolerated the abuses, and apologize to the victims. Then he'll get the moral high ground again. He also needs to stop destroying JPII's legacy of strengthening the Catholic Church's relationship with other religions.


Amen.
 
2010-04-03 06:38:15 AM  
What an asshole.


(as the bishop said to the altarboy)
 
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2010-04-03 07:35:49 AM  

elleeffe: greentea1985: Well, at least Pope Benedict has succeeded in setting Catholic-Jewish relations back to their pre-JPII, Vatican II status. Seriously, does this guy no how to handle any PR issues. He needs to come clean about the abuse, clean house of the abusers and tolerated the abuses, and apologize to the victims. Then he'll get the moral high ground again. He also needs to stop destroying JPII's legacy of strengthening the Catholic Church's relationship with other religions.

Amen.


Actually, What was said probably resounds with many Jewish people.
The Jews historically were the scapegoat, and seen as the cause for misfortune of others.

What follows is the Fathers full sermon, its a clear look at violence and what Good Friday means:

WE HAVE A GREAT HIGH PRIEST"


Homily on Good Friday 2010 in Saint Peter's Basilica
by Father Raniero Cantalamessa, ofmcap

"We have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God": thus begins the passage from the Letter to the Hebrews that we heard in the second reading. In the Year for Priests, the liturgy for Good Friday enables us to go back to the historical source of the Christian priesthood. It is the source of both the realizations of the priesthood: the ministerial, of bishops and presbyters, and the universal of all the faithful. This one also, in fact, is founded on the sacrifice of Christ that, Revelation says, "loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father" (Revelation 1:5-6). Hence, it is of vital importance to understand the nature of the sacrifice and of the priesthood of Christ because it is from them that priests and laity, in a different way, must bear the stamp and seek to live the exigencies.

The Letter to the Hebrews explains in what the novelty and uniqueness of Christ's priesthood consists, not only in regard to the priesthood of the old Covenant, but as the history of religions teaches us today, in regard to every priestly institution also outside of the Bible. "But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come [...] he entered once for all into the Holy Place, taking not the blood of goats and calves but his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. For if the sprinkling of defiled persons with the blood of goats and bulls and with the ashes of a heifer sanctifies for the purification of the flesh, how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify your conscience from dead works to serve the living God" (Hebrews 9:11-14).

Every other priest offers something outside of himself, Christ offered himself; every other priest offers victims, Christ offered himself victim! Saint Augustine enclosed in a famous formula this new kind of priesthood in which priest and victim are the same thing: "Ideo sacerdos, quia sacrificium": priest because victim."[1]

* * *

In 1972 a famous French thinker launched the thesis according to which "violence is the heart and secret spirit of the sacred."[2] In fact, at the origin and center of every religion there is sacrifice, and sacrifice entails destruction and death. The newspaper "Le Monde" greeted the affirmation, saying that it made of that year "a year to mark with an asterisk in the annals of humanity." However, before this date, that scholar had come close again to Christianity and at Easter of 1959 he made public his "conversion," declaring himself a believer and returning to the Church.

This enabled him not to pause, in his subsequent studies, on the analysis of the mechanism of violence, but to point out also how to come out of it. Many, unfortunately, continue to quote René Girard as the one who denounced the alliance between the sacred and violence, but they do not speak of the Girard who pointed out in the paschal mystery of Christ the total and definitive break of such an alliance. According to him, Jesus unmasks and breaks the mechanism of the scapegoat that makes violence sacred, making himself, the victim of all violence.

The process that leads to the birth of religion is reversed, in regard to the explanation that Freud had given. In Christ, it is God who makes himself victim, not the victim (in Freud, the primordial father) that, once sacrificed, is successively raised to divine dignity (the Father of the Heavens). It is no longer man that offers sacrifices to God, but God who "sacrifices" himself for man, consigning for him to death his Only-begotten Son (cf. John 3:16). Sacrifice no longer serves to "placate" the divinity, but rather to placate man and to make him desist from his hostility toward God and his neighbor.

Christ did not come with another's blood but with his own. He did not put his sins on the shoulders of others -- men or animals --; he put others' sins on his own shoulders: "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree" (1 Peter 2:24).

Can one, then, continue to speak of sacrifice in regard to the death of Christ and hence of the Mass? For a long time the scholar mentioned rejected this concept, holding it too marked by the idea of violence, but then ended by admitting the possibility, on condition of seeing, in that of Christ, a new kind of sacrifice, and of seeing in this change of meaning "the central fact in the religious history of humanity."

* * *

Seen in this light, the sacrifice of Christ contains a formidable message for today's world. It cries out to the world that violence is an archaic residue, a regression to primitive stages and surmounted by human history and -- if it is a question of believers -- a culpable and scandalous delay in becoming aware of the leap in quality operated by Christ.

It reminds also that violence is losing. In almost all ancient myths the victim is the defeated and the executioner the victor . [3] Jesus changed the sign of victory. He inaugurated a new kind of victory that does not consist in making victims, but in making himself victim. "Victor quia victima!", victor because victim, thus Augustine describes the Jesus of the cross.[4]

The modern value of the defense of victims, of the weak and of threatened life is born on the terrain of Christianity, it is a later fruit of the revolution carried out by Christ. We have the counter-proof. As soon as the Christian vision is abandoned (as Nietzsche did) to bring the pagan back to life, this conquest is lost and one turns to exalt "the strong, the powerful, to its most exalted point, the superman," and the Christian is described as "a morality of slaves," fruit of the mean resentment of the weak against the strong.

Unfortunately, however, the same culture of today that condemns violence, on the other hand, favors and exalts it. Garments are torn in face of certain events of blood, but not being aware that the terrain is prepared for them with that which is shown in the next page of the newspaper or in the successive palimpsest of the television network. The pleasure with which one indulges in the description of violence and the competition of the one who is first and the most crude in describing it do no more than favor it. The result is not a catharsis of evil, but an incitement to it. It is disturbing that violence and blood have become one of the ingredients of greatest claim in films and video-games, that one is attracted to it and enjoys watching it.

The same scholar recalled above has unveiled the matrix that sparks the mechanism of violence: mimicry, that innate human inclination to consider desirable the things that others desire and, hence, to repeat the things that they see others do. The "heard" psychology is that which leads to the choice of the "scapegoat" to find, in the struggle against a common enemy -- in general, the weakest element, the different one --, a proper artificial and momentous cohesion.

We have an example in the recurrent violence of youth in the stadium, in the bullying in schools and in certain square manifestations that leave behind destruction and debris. A generation of youth that has had the very rare privilege of not knowing a real war and of never having been called to arms, amuses itself (because it is about a game, even if stupid and at times tragic) to invent little wars, driven by the same instinct that moved the primordial horde.

* * *

However there is a yet more grave and widespread violence than that of youth in stadiums and squares. I am not speaking here of violence against children, of which unfortunately also elements of the clergy are stained; of that there is sufficient talk outside of here. I am speaking of violence to women. This is an occasion to make persons and institutions that fight against it understand that Christ is their best ally.

It is a violence all the more grave in as much as it is often carried out in the shelter of domestic walls, unknown to all, when it is not actually justified with pseudo-religious and cultural prejudices. The victims find themselves desperately alone and defenceless. Only today, thanks to the support and encouragement of so many associations and institutions, some find the strength to come out in the open and denounce the guilty.

Much of this violence has a sexual background. It is the male who thinks he can demonstrate his virility by inflicting himself on the woman, without realizing that he is only demonstrating his insecurity and baseness. Also in confrontations with the woman who has made a mistake, what a contrast between the conduct of Christ and that still going on in certain environments! Fanaticism calls for stoning; Christ responds to the men who have presented an adulteress to him saying: "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her" (John 8:7). Adultery is a sin that is always committed by two, but for which only one has always been (and, in some parts of the world, still is) punished.

Violence against woman is never so odious as when it nestles where mutual respect and love should reign, in the relationship between husband and wife. It is true that violence is not always and wholly on the part of one, that one can be violent also with the tongue and not only with the hands, but no one can deny that in the vast majority of cases the victim is the woman.

There are families where the man still believes himself authorized to raise his voice and hands on the women of the house. Wife and children at times live under the constant threat of "Daddy's anger." To such as these it is necessary to say courteously: dear men colleagues, by creating you male, God did not intend to give you the right to be angry and to bang your fist on the table for the least thing. The word addressed to Eve after the fault: "He (the man) shall rule over you" (Genesis 3:16), was a bitter forecast, not an authorization.

John Paul II inaugurated the practice of the request for forgiveness for collective wrongs. One of these, among the most just and necessary, is the forgiveness that half of humanity must ask of the other half, men to women. It must not be generic or abstract. It must lead, especially in one who professes himself a Christian, to concrete gestures of conversion, to words of apology and reconciliation within families and in society.

* * *

The passage from the Letter to the Hebrews that we heard continues saying: "In the days of his flesh, with loud cries and with tears he offered prayers and supplications to Him who could save him from death." Jesus felt in all its crudity the situation of the victims, the suffocated cries and silent tears. Truly, "we do not have a high priest who cannot suffer with us in our weaknesses." In every victim of violence Christ relives mysteriously his earthly experience. Also in regard to every one of these he says: "you did it to me" (Matthew 25:40).

By a rare coincidence, this year our Easter falls on the same week of the Jewish Passover which is the ancestor and matrix within which it was formed. This pushes us to direct a thought to our Jewish brothers. They know from experience what it means to be victims of collective violence and also because of this they are quick to recognize the recurring symptoms. I received in this week the letter of a Jewish friend and, with his permission, I share here a part of it.

He said: "I am following with indignation the violent and concentric attacks against the Church, the Pope and all the faithful by the whole world. The use of stereotypes, the passing from personal responsibility and guilt to a collective guilt remind me of the more shameful aspects of anti-Semitism. Therefore I desire to express to you personally, to the Pope and to the whole Church my solidarity as Jew of dialogue and of all those that in the Jewish world (and there are many) share these sentiments of brotherhood. Our Passover and yours are undoubtedly different, but we both live with Messianic hope that surely will reunite us in the love of our common Father. I wish you and all Catholics a Good Easter."

And also we Catholics wish our Jewish brothers a Good Passover. We do so with the words of their ancient teacher Gamaliel, entered in the Jewish Passover Seder and from there passed into the most ancient Christian liturgy:

"He made us pass
From slavery to liberty,
From sadness to joy,
From mourning to celebration,
From darkness to light,
From servitude to redemption
Because of this before him we say: Alleluia."[5]
 
2010-04-03 07:44:50 AM  
"We have a larger problem in the Catholic Church than just 19 men. But it's still an extremely small minority"

The "it's just a few bad apples" defense falls apart once the farkin' POPE is involved.
 
2010-04-03 07:48:36 AM  
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2010-04-03 08:08:13 AM  
ukexpat: So they are suggesting that we put priests is gas chambers? Works for me...

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Works for me.
The Catholic Priests should be quaking at the vengeance of the wronged. Instead they have a bunch of gutless victims and corrupt incompetent law enforcement officers pretending to do their jobs while protecting the criminals.

In a less chickenshiat society a lot of Catholic churches would've been burned down, the offending priests hanged, and the Vatican would be under American military assault for harboring fugitive criminals.
 
2010-04-03 08:26:36 AM  

davidphogan: I was raised Catholic, and I try not to judge people by their religion, but I'll admit I'm a little more embarrassed that my entire family and a number of friends love this institution so much. They're all good people who just genuinely believe, and at least they're not Mormons or Scientologists, but it still kind of sucks seeing people I care about so much into such a bizarre cultish religion.

They're not bad people at all. Actually most of them take the basic teachings of Jesus (love, caring, helping others, etc) to heart, and show them to others. Some of them might be a little extreme on it, but I know they're completely harmless, just passionate. My parents are both retired inner-city public school teachers, they just believe in the Catholic version of Christianity.

Every religion has bad shiat tied to it. I'm just a non-believer, but not quite an atheist. I just don't get the Fark-hate for anyone who is different than the poster. I have good friends who are Orthodox and Reform Jews, Muslim, Catholic, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Buddhist, Hindu, Wiccan, Mormon, Hardcore Atheist, and Agnostic. My Jewish and Muslim friends The different yet similar belief structures of all of us are part of what makes people having different beliefs so interesting.

Sorry, maybe I'm thinking too deep for Fark. My Jewish and Muslim friends, and my Catholic and Protestant friends have been able to sit down and have a beer (I didn't say the Muslims are traditional style) and play some video games. Hell, I'm a Chargers fan and one of my best friends is a Raiders fan.

/can't we all just get along?


Could you possibly be more full of shiat?
 
2010-04-03 08:37:53 AM  
"Hi, I'm Pope Benedict's personal priest. I called this press conference to say, as a matter of my personal beliefs, that the way you guys are treating the pope is exactly like what the Nazis did to the Jews. That's right, I'm the pope's personal priest and confessor, but what I say should in no way be construed to be attached or attributed to the pope, the College of Cardinals, the Holy See, or anything else having to do with the Catholic Church."

No, there is absotutely no way any of that should ever be connected to anyone other than THE POPE'S PERSONAL PRIEST AND CONFESSOR.
 
2010-04-03 08:44:03 AM  

I know more than you: Hyperbolic Hyperbole: I am always ready to shout down ignorance and bullshiat at my parish. Unlike most people I know, I chose to become Catholic. I don't shrug off the atrocities because I don't know how to cut something out of my life like a lot of born and raised Catholics. But like I said, none of those things that you mentioned encompass in any way what it means to be a Catholic, so I will be damned if I am going to let someone else destroy the thing I have chosen by walking away from it. The best way to effect change is from the inside.

"change is from the inside."
I see you don't have much experience with the catholic church. Calling for change, especially when you're a nobody in the church means excommunication and all your friends and family will be forced to shun you or be excommunicated too. This is not something many catholics are willing to go through.

"so I will be damned if I am going to let someone else destroy the thing I have chosen by walking away from it"
You should read what you write here. It sounds very callous and inconsiderate (if not outright stupid) to an outsider. Are you infallible? Can you make no bad choices? Does no path in your life ever call for reconsidering?

"The best way to effect change is from the inside."
No, that's actually the worst way to effect change. Because until you have managed to convert all one billion catholics to your variant of faith you will be sending money to the Vatican allowing them to bribe law enforcement, broadcast media campaigns, buy a flight ticket for a priest so he can go molest children in a new country where no one knows about his pedophilic tendencies, you'll be a statistic the Vatican can point to saying: "so many people support us, what we do can't be that bad!" By being a member you offer material support to an organization that can only be described as criminal.

"none of those things that you mentioned encompass in any way what it means to be a Catholic"
I strongly disagree. Such a huge amount of abuse is not something seen anywhere outside of the catholic church. The policies of the church (celibacy for priests, not making bad news public, considering themselves an authority on par with nations) are what cause the abuse. Jesus didn't need a pope to be kind to the people around him, a Christian doesn't need a pope either.


This guy has has it right.
 
2010-04-03 08:48:53 AM  

eharac: I am not Catholic, but I am a Christian. Sadly, the scum of any religion, any race, any belief get far more air-time than the majority of faithful believers who don't go around diddling kids or protesting funerals of those who have died in the service of our country.

Personally, I would like to take these priests and toss them into that special hell with the those who use their phones in theaters. A pedophile is sick enough, but children are taught to respect and obey the clergy. The clergy has an extra responsibility to behave. If this were a secular job, their butts would handed over for trial.


You equate adults raping children with people that talk on cell phones in movie theatres? I hope you die a horrible death as soon as possible.
 
2010-04-03 09:21:15 AM  
Not so. If it were like the Holocaust, the Vatican would be ignoring it.
 
2010-04-03 09:52:42 AM  

henryhill: eharac: I am not Catholic, but I am a Christian. Sadly, the scum of any religion, any race, any belief get far more air-time than the majority of faithful believers who don't go around diddling kids or protesting funerals of those who have died in the service of our country.

Personally, I would like to take these priests and toss them into that special hell with the those who use their phones in theaters. A pedophile is sick enough, but children are taught to respect and obey the clergy. The clergy has an extra responsibility to behave. If this were a secular job, their butts would handed over for trial.

You equate adults raping children with people that talk on cell phones in movie theatres? I hope you die a horrible death as soon as possible.


Sorry. It was a reference to a quote. Sorry you missed the train. Next time I will remember to make citations for you.

*rolls eyes*
 
2010-04-03 10:02:00 AM  
Since I got another bullcrap "Deleted, broken image" bit of nonsense...
Reposting.

// The moderators need to lay off their meth abuse. It *IS* illegal to use it.
 
2010-04-03 10:04:27 AM  
BTW, I apologize for comparing child rapists to people who talk on their cell phones in theaters. How could I be so crass? so insensitive. Child rapists are nothing like the other. Child rapists usually have some manners.
 
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2010-04-03 11:17:57 AM  

mmmerf: you won't find a Catholic anywhere who calls the men who abused children as anything other than criminals.


Sure you will. They tend to call them, "your new priest we've transferred in from another parish. Enjoy!"
 
2010-04-03 12:39:49 PM  
Sounds like they want to play the blame game and also make excuses for their own faults. I guess they don't want to confess what they've done and think it's morally acceptable. Society doesn't condone their actions but I think they're in their own little world.
 
2010-04-03 01:59:07 PM  
The pope is the anti-christ.
 
2010-04-03 02:32:24 PM  
Dear Catholic Church guy:

On behalf of everyone who was rounded up and killed in WW2:

Fark you.
 
2010-04-03 04:24:57 PM  
FTFA: "...the more shameful aspects of anti-Semitism."

This raises the interesting question, what are the less shameful aspects of anti-Semitism? I'm starting a list:

- Preventing Jews from joining their local golf club (ironically, traditionally applies to Catholics too)
- Serving veal in cream sauce at a banquet, acting surprised when the Jews complain that they can't eat it
- Constantly banging on about how wonderful bacon is. Mmmm, bacon.
- Pointing out that Ben Stein is Jewish.
 
2010-04-03 09:19:32 PM  

czetie: - Pointing out that Ben Stein is Jewish.


Hahahahahahhah ZING
 
2010-04-03 10:33:23 PM  
oldebayer - gaslight: By the way, it was the Italians who killed Jesus, not the Jews.

They were only carrying out the will of You-Know-Who.



Voldemort?
 
2010-04-04 12:10:44 AM  

mmmerf: you won't find a Catholic anywhere who calls the men who abused children as anything other than criminals


Actually, you'll find millions of Catholics who call them "Father." And when they're told "Father" is a child molester, they call the kid a liar, and a "bad Catholic" or a non-Catholic, and refuse to believe it. Even if the guy is found guilty, some won't believe it. And his order or his diocese will protect him from justice.

So, yeah. Not so much.
 
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