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(The Newspaper)   Police chief says million dollar per year speed trap prevented "three to four fatals per year" in town with population 211. He's lying, of course   (thenewspaper.com) divider line
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2010-03-28 9:06:26 AM  
Man. fark the police!
 
2010-03-28 9:10:42 AM  
Sometimes people drive through a town that don't live there.
There are a ton of small downs in PA that have a VERY busy street running through them for the size of the town that they are. Linglestown for example.
 
2010-03-28 9:10:53 AM  
He's lying, of course

Au contraire! He's employing statistical analysis.

/which is what we applied math graduate students call "lying"
 
2010-03-28 9:10:57 AM  
Bottom line: Slower speeds, however enforced, save lives. The severity of impacts is reduced, reaction times are not as critical.

Individual anecdotes notwithstanding.
 
2010-03-28 9:13:12 AM  
Simple solution - all ticket fines go to the state, not the individual towns. Remove the revenue incentive, then let them say they "did it for safety".
 
2010-03-28 9:14:57 AM  
here to watch peole justifing speeding, complain about the police and whine about tickets people get when they are caught doing something wrong.
 
2010-03-28 9:17:22 AM  

cnocnanrionnag: Bottom line: Slower speeds, however enforced, save lives.


Bottom line: absolutist pig-headed views only lead to extremism and make you look stupid.

Now that your life is so much saver, don't waste it.
 
2010-03-28 9:18:50 AM  
Come on folks, how do you expect a small town with no real industry to generate any revenue, if not for having "redistributed" the existing wealth from people speeding through into the town coffers? Oh wait... ZOMGSOCIALISM!1!1
 
2010-03-28 9:20:12 AM  

cnocnanrionnag: Bottom line: Slower speeds, however enforced, save lives. The severity of impacts is reduced, reaction times are not as critical.

Individual anecdotes notwithstanding.


Bottom line, if we were banned cars, there would be no car accident fatalities. Your point?
 
2010-03-28 9:20:51 AM  
You could be under the speed limit all the way through the town of Claude, Texas - about 50 miles east of Amarillo on US Hwy 287, as long as you are from out of state and they don't have someome already pulled over, you're going to get a ticket no matter what.

I atarted my video camera after seeing the deputy in town and then slowly leaving the city to where the speed limit said 55. Across the highway about 200 yards later another cop turns around and said I was doing 56 in a 45. He was not even there. I got the jump on him when I took the video to DPS and the news. However, they still keep doing it.
 
2010-03-28 9:23:06 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: here to watch peole justifing speeding, complain about the police and whine about tickets people get when they are caught doing something wrong.


here to watch people bend over, grab their ankles, and say "thank you officer, may I have another?"
 
2010-03-28 9:24:10 AM  
It's kinda like how many jobs the stimulus created.
 
2010-03-28 9:24:12 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: here to watch peole justifing speeding, complain about the police and whine about tickets people get when they are caught doing something wrong.


I have a problem with arbitrarily lowered speed limits and going from 45 to 35 on a 4-lane divided highway with no residential area in sight, with cops or cameras waiting near the change. I didn't read the article, but this happens where I live, and it's not about safety.
 
2010-03-28 9:24:34 AM  
Don't like it? Don't speed then, jackasses.
 
2010-03-28 9:26:07 AM  

NuclearPenguins: Don't like it? Don't speed then, jackasses.


You might want to look up "speed trap", tard.
 
2010-03-28 9:26:57 AM  
One day people will come up with a way to prevent speeding. One day...
 
2010-03-28 9:28:10 AM  
Amateurs. Link (new window)
 
2010-03-28 9:29:15 AM  
if the stimulus bill aaved or created 2,000,000 jobs, then i believe enforcing traffic laws in a small town can save 3-4 lives.
 
2010-03-28 9:31:47 AM  

HighlanderRPI: Simple solution - all ticket fines go to the state, not the individual towns. Remove the revenue incentive, then let them say they "did it for safety".


They are actually doing this with DUIs in the state of Kansas. The dirty little secret of revenue generation in a lot of towns is DUI money. A lot of city courts are freaking out over this! Ever been to traffic court? 90% of the people are there for a DUI.
 
2010-03-28 9:32:23 AM  

HighlanderRPI: Simple solution - all ticket fines go to the state, not the individual towns. Remove the revenue incentive, then let them say they "did it for safety".


That would be great, but giving it to the government at all wouldn't work, cause they'll find a way to re-disburse it to counties or cities.

Only way, all fines from non-criminal activity (like code enforcement, which includes speeding and parking tickets) should go to charities. There can be a default or you can specify one when you pay it. Must keep that money out of government hands entirely, but of course without the fines there's no reason for people not to break the codes.
 
buz
2010-03-28 9:38:37 AM  
Eddiesocket:
>Bottom line, if we were banned cars, there would be no car accident fatalities. Your point?

OMG! Stop the wheelbarrow\segway\roller-skate related fatalities now!
Won't somebody think of the chillllllldren?!?!?!
 
2010-03-28 9:38:52 AM  
The cops can only give you a ticket if you pull over and let them do it.
 
2010-03-28 9:39:25 AM  
There are 2 very easy ways to avoid this speed trap... don't drive through this town and don't speed!

Exactly what is wrong with using a speed trap as a revenue source?
 
2010-03-28 9:41:34 AM  
-If you actually RTFA, the cop was actually caught lying. All other issues aside this is wrong, isn't it? I see a lot of smoke being blown to avoid dealing with that...
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2010-03-28 9:41:48 AM  
If you follow the link to the blog and from the blog to the article, you'll see this town kept posting 50 mile per hour signs on the highway even though the state told them that wasn't the speed limit. The town kept enforcing the non-existent 50 mile per hour speed limit even after the state removed the illegal signs. So don't pull any of that "the law is the law" crap because the town doesn't care about the law either. (story)

On the disposition of fines, there should be no fines. Mess up badly enough on the road, or too many times, and you go to jail or get a probation condition ordering you not to drive.
 
2010-03-28 9:43:47 AM  
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that is just criminal
 
2010-03-28 9:43:49 AM  
real shaman

Exactly what is wrong with using a speed trap as a revenue source?

Um... you're kidding, right?

/every cop I've ever met has reinforced my impression of them as a bunch of lazy, cowardly bullies.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2010-03-28 9:46:37 AM  
real shaman

Say you're driving along at 5 under the 65 mph speed posted on the last sign you saw and you get a ticket for "10 over" because the locals unilaterally and illegally decided the limit through their town should be 50 to boost their speed trap revenue. Do you pay the ticket and remind yourself to drive 20 under the posted limit next time to be sure? That is exactly the situation Westlake created around 2004. Not coincidentally, near the peak of speed trap revenue.
 
2010-03-28 9:47:18 AM  
Bottom line, I like turtles.
 
2010-03-28 9:54:45 AM  
My husband works in Westlake. He drives that highway each day. He's gotten a couple of tickets, but I'm surprised he hasn't had more... I think the natural slowdown of rush hour traffic saves him there.

I thought the cop douchebaggery was strong around here, but didn't know it was THAT strong... Did the cop just not realize that accident records are public, and that anyone could check on his claims of fatalities??
 
2010-03-28 9:56:39 AM  

real shaman: There are 2 very easy ways to avoid this speed trap... don't drive through this town and don't speed!

Exactly what is wrong with using a speed trap as a revenue source?


Because a sudden drop in the speed limit is not for public safety. It is for stealing money from tax payers. If you don't see why that's wrong, I can't help you.
 
2010-03-28 9:58:13 AM  

mikdeetx: You could be under the speed limit all the way through the town of Claude, Texas - about 50 miles east of Amarillo on US Hwy 287, as long as you are from out of state and they don't have someome already pulled over, you're going to get a ticket no matter what.

I atarted my video camera after seeing the deputy in town and then slowly leaving the city to where the speed limit said 55. Across the highway about 200 yards later another cop turns around and said I was doing 56 in a 45. He was not even there. I got the jump on him when I took the video to DPS and the news. However, they still keep doing it.


Therein lies the problem. It's Officer Piggie's word against yours, and judges and JPs think cops are goddamn gods and never lie.
 
2010-03-28 9:58:53 AM  
amiker77

Did the cop just not realize that accident records are public, and that anyone could check on his claims of fatalities??

Cops are fairly lowbrow, Police Chiefs even more so, having had more time to get used to becoming fat and lazy. He assumed that everybody else is as much of an ignorant sheep as he is.
 
2010-03-28 10:01:43 AM  
Since the signs were removed in January, that part of Texas 114 has had no posted speed limit, Sams said. But police continue to ticket motorists traveling faster than 50 mph

For serious? Are you kidding me? How are those farking pigs not in jail right now?
 
2010-03-28 10:04:21 AM  
Must be those crazy liberal towns setting up speed traps and preying on unsuspecting motorists.

I guess these are only the towns that actually like big government since it generates so much revenue for their little fiefdoms.
 
2010-03-28 10:04:38 AM  
A constitutional amendment should be made to require that all fines, of any kind, must be returned to the taxpayer base as an aggregate, and cannot be used for general funds of any kind.

Then we'll see how serious the police are about spending $1m+ on saving lives.
 
2010-03-28 10:05:39 AM  
Petty said the section of highway "has been painted as a speed trap, and that's not the facts behind the truth. TxDOT left us no choice -- they just went out there and took the signs down."

Un-farking-believable. They left the crooks of Westlake "no choice" but to illegally enforce a non-existent speed limit that is not indicated to motorists in any way.
 
2010-03-28 10:17:27 AM  
the chief spent a million dollars to catch speeders? How was that paid for? By the residents? Do they feel safer having chucked out 4739.34 cents per capita? How much did he collect in speeding fines?

/the more you ask, the rougher the nightstick beating
 
2010-03-28 10:29:19 AM  
And what if everyone who got a ticket refused to pay? Are they going to throw everyone in jail? Suspend the licenses of every driver in the state?

Maybe if this country went back to the ideals of passive resistance in which it was founded on, there would be some change for the better. But we're all a bunch of pussies now, hell even the psuedo-protesters of the 'Tea Party' are scared to get arrested for what they believe in. Thomas Paine and Samuel Adams would be ashamed.
 
2010-03-28 10:55:16 AM  
A whole bunch of those little towns are in the Dallas area, right on major highways. Wilmer, Palmer and Ferris are 3 in a row long I-45. I drive through there a lot & know to go just under the limit, but they sit on the shoulder & pull over folks constantly, especially on Sunday evening when folks are on there way back into town.... Lavon has made the local news a lot over the years.... They used to have 12 cops for a population of 200.. they've grown larger recently.
 
2010-03-28 11:07:35 AM  
From TFA, it was 38 tickets per year. Seriously- that's roughly three tickets per month. How is this a speed trap?
 
2010-03-28 11:09:37 AM  
I never would have though a bunch of Texas conservatives would go around just making stuff up.
 
2010-03-28 11:18:05 AM  
What a small town with megalomaniacal leadership might look like.
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2010-03-28 11:25:42 AM  
tillerman35
From TFA, it was 38 tickets per year. Seriously- that's roughly three tickets per month. How is this a speed trap?

Read more carefully: 38 tickets per resident per month.
 
2010-03-28 11:27:43 AM  
"Police chief says million dollar per year speed trap prevented "three to four fatals per year" in town with population 211. He's lying, of course"
Doesn't matter what he's saying, he's probably lying.
 
2010-03-28 12:52:38 PM  

cnocnanrionnag: Bottom line: Slower speeds, however enforced, save lives. The severity of impacts is reduced, reaction times are not as critical.

Individual anecdotes notwithstanding.


Didn't read the article, eh.
 
2010-03-28 12:57:00 PM  
What's amazing is the per capita revenue, $42,272. I wonder how much of that money the populace receives and in what form. It's probably much higher than the average salary and the core of city employees take it as income. The mayor and police chief are probably the highest paid mayor and police chief in Texas.
 
2010-03-28 1:14:59 PM  

NuclearPenguins: Don't like it? Don't speed then, jackasses.


Well, my radar gun (that I pointed at a building while I drove 70mph) says you were speeding.

Also (crack) you got a busted mirror. That's another $120 fine.
 
2010-03-28 1:40:59 PM  
Speed traps don't save lives. Better drivers save lives.

The topic of this article is abhorrent. How can this possibly be justified??

I was reading an Automobile Magazine a few months back, they had an article about "The Best and Worst states to drive in". Since I was living in Delaware, and from Maryland, I expected to be able to laugh at those states. They used many factors in determining their rankings,(45th for DE, 49th for MD) and one of them was police per highway mile. DE had around 5 times more cops per mile than ANY other state. This brings me to the relevant point: there is a town there in DE caled Felton. If anyone goes through Felton, slow the hell down. Word had it that their police had a $5 million budget, 80% of which came from ticket revenue. They are one of those, "let's drop the speed limit to 45 from 55 for no reason" places. No less than three cops (everytime I went through) sit and do their thing in the beach tourist season. It is so bad, one guy who lives along that stretch of Rt.1 south put up a big pink sign, that was illuminated, that warned of the speed trap. What did Felton do? Tried to pass an ordinance banning any signs that are visible from the road. The police are out of control everywhere folks. I wish there was something we could do.

Also, I am currently living in Germany. You want to know how many accidents I have seen in 6 months on the Autobahn from my work to my house, which is an unlimited section? ONE. In the snow, because it was whiteout conditions and someone stopped in the road, probably an American like myself, except I don't stop I the road and get creamed, lol. You can really tell, just by the driving habits, who is a native and who isn't. The difference? It is hard as hell to get a license in Germany, whereas in the states all you do is take the easiest test in the world. Like I said, better drivers save lives. Speed traps are bullshiat.
 
2010-03-28 2:36:37 PM  

NuclearPenguins: Don't like it? Don't speed then, jackasses.


What are you going to do when they lower the speed limit to 15?
 
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