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2010-03-25 2:30:25 PM  

Tatsuma: sboyle1020: I don't like you. And almost every chef uses bacon. It gives texture and flavor. In fact many freeze bacon grease to reuse. So to say anyone who loves bacon has no palette is completely unfounded.

If you think someone who uses frozen bacon greese is a 'chef', you probably think a classy evening is '2 for 1' night at Olive Garden.


Yep, he sure does suck.

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Him too.

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And her especially.

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2010-03-25 2:30:33 PM  
We need that hot chick from the travel channel to settle this.
 
2010-03-25 2:30:44 PM  
Yeah, because obviously Michelle Obama is the supreme judge regarding our collective tastes.

/the pizza wars will continue throughout all eternity
//Chicago
 
2010-03-25 2:30:57 PM  
Since we're mentioning obscure pizza places. If you ever happen to be in Wilkes Barre, PA....Angelo's is a must.
 
2010-03-25 2:31:00 PM  

Tatsuma: Right, the sea's cockroach.

As I said, white trash


I tell you what, you come over and I'll fix you a great meal. First we'll start with bacon wrapped waterchestnuts, then a hearty bowl of cream of lobster bisque, followed by oysters on the half shell, and then to show you I am not a snob, thick rich cheese burgers, topped off with hearty bacon.

to drink? A wonderful Milk Stout from Michigan.

Yummy!

/McRibs? My sister in law taught in at a Jewish school in Skokie Illinois.
//the kids there were obsessed with McDonalds
 
2010-03-25 2:31:33 PM  

sboyle1020: .good chefs. You need to watch the Food Network


you should write for the onion
 
2010-03-25 2:31:33 PM  

Queensowntalia: Now I've never hard Chicago deep-dish "pizza," but the fact that its enjoyed by the same populace that embraces the Everything in the Refrigerator Hotdog makes me view it with deep suspicion.


Oh, you mean the Most Awesome Food on Earth?
 
2010-03-25 2:32:19 PM  
hold up everyone - did she order from Pizza by Alfredo or Alfredo's Pizza Cafe? because this is important.
 
2010-03-25 2:32:31 PM  

sboyle1020: Since we're mentioning obscure pizza places. If you ever happen to be in Wilkes Barre, PA....Angelo's is a must.


If you ever happen to be in Wilkes Barre, PA... DRIVE AS FAST AS YOU CAN. NO, NOT TOWARDS SCRANTON! NO, NOT THE OTHER WAY! EAST! UNTIL YOU PASS ALLENTOWN! GET OUT WHILE THERE'S STILL TIME!

/Grew up in Bloomsburg
 
2010-03-25 2:33:13 PM  

Tatsuma: you should write for the onion


You just wish you could boil the baby in the mother's milk like the rest of us.
 
2010-03-25 2:33:49 PM  
Per googlefight the results are pretty clear
 
2010-03-25 2:34:04 PM  

halfof33: McRibs? My sister in law taught in at a Jewish school in Skokie Illinois.


That's funny, I used to be in a Barbershop Quartet in Skokie, Illinois.

/Better not be obscure!
 
2010-03-25 2:34:09 PM  

halfof33: I tell you what, you come over and I'll fix you a great meal. First we'll start with bacon wrapped waterchestnuts, then a hearty bowl of cream of lobster bisque, followed by oysters on the half shell, and then to show you I am not a snob, thick rich cheese burgers, topped off with hearty bacon.


Ugh, I can't speak for Tatsuma, but do you have any dea what that would do to my kishkes?

/fark, that bisque sounds good, though.
 
2010-03-25 2:34:29 PM  

MorePeasPlease: Genuine NY "Pinkie Pie":

Ingredients

* 1 teaspoon active dry yeast
* 2/3 cup warm water (110 degrees F/45 degrees C)
* 2 cups all-purpose flour
* 1 teaspoon salt
* 2 tablespoons olive oil
*
* 1 (10 ounce) can tomato sauce
* 1 pound shredded mozzarella cheese
* 1/2 cup grated Romano cheese
* 1/4 cup chopped fresh basil
* 1 tablespoon dried oregano
* 1 teaspoon red pepper flakes
* 2 tablespoons olive oil

* 1 bag frozen pinkie mice (thawed), or fresh if available-- the classic NY taste is from frozen.


Directions

1. Sprinkle the yeast over the surface of the warm water in a large bowl. Let stand for 1 minute, then stir to dissolve. Mix in the flour, salt and olive oil. When the dough is too thick to stir, turn out onto a floured surface, and knead for 5 minutes. Knead in a little more flour if the dough is too sticky. Place into an oiled bowl, cover, and set aside in a warm place to rise until doubled in bulk.
2. Preheat the oven to 475 degrees F (245 degrees C). If using a pizza stone, preheat it in the oven as well, setting it on the lowest shelf.
3. When the dough has risen, flatten it out on a lightly floured surface. Roll or stretch out into a 12 inch circle, and place on a baking pan. If you are using a pizza stone, you may place it on a piece of parchment while preheating the stone in the oven.
4. Spread the tomato sauce evenly over the dough. Sprinkle with oregano, mozzarella cheese, basil, Romano cheese, pinkie mice and red pepper flakes.
5. Bake for 12 to 15 minutes in the preheated oven, until the bottom of the crust is browned when you lift up the edge a little, the pinkies have turned dark red, and cheese is melted and bubbly. Do not overcook, as the pinkies will burst. Cool for about 5 minutes before slicing and serving.


Sayyyyyyy whattttttt???
 
2010-03-25 2:34:59 PM  

Frank N Stein: Tatsuma: you should write for the onion

You just wish you could boil the baby in the mother's milk like the rest of us.


Insert horribly tasteless yet historically fascinating blood libel joke here.
 
2010-03-25 2:35:01 PM  
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Chicago area Farkers probably know this place. I worked their in HS. Their secret is putting grape jelly in the sauce. Srsly.

/I don't eat there.
 
2010-03-25 2:35:04 PM  

jbc: Columbia, Missouri laughs at both of them.


your a idiot
 
2010-03-25 2:35:41 PM  
Chicago style from Gino's East or Lou Malnati's trumps any other pizza I've ever tasted. For the record good pizza from Detroit like Buddy's is better than the stuff from New York.
 
2010-03-25 2:35:46 PM  

Tatsuma: sboyle1020: I don't like you. And almost every chef uses bacon. It gives texture and flavor. In fact many freeze bacon grease to reuse. So to say anyone who loves bacon has no palette is completely unfounded.

If you think someone who uses frozen bacon greese is a 'chef', you probably think a classy evening is '2 for 1' night at Olive Garden.


Grant Achatz - chef of the top rated restaurant in America Alinea uses bacon in his mac and cheese - link

Ferran Adria - chef at the recently closed but until then top rated restaurant in the world (El Bulli) uses bacon with rack of lamb - link

The Fat Duck - second highest rated restaurant in the world - video of tableside made bacon and egg ice cream - link

So you were saying?
 
2010-03-25 2:35:49 PM  
Chicago has the best of all worlds of pizza. Deep dish? Yep. Chicago thin crust (with that nice crisp cracker crust instead of that droopy floppy crap)? Yep. Fancy gourmet pizza that's been called the best or one of the best in the country? Yep, got that too, although it's farking impossible to get in there.
 
2010-03-25 2:35:59 PM  
mountain pie is superior to all of your silly attempts
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but other than that, gotta go new york
 
2010-03-25 2:36:07 PM  

Bloody William: sboyle1020: Since we're mentioning obscure pizza places. If you ever happen to be in Wilkes Barre, PA....Angelo's is a must.

If you ever happen to be in Wilkes Barre, PA... DRIVE AS FAST AS YOU CAN. NO, NOT TOWARDS SCRANTON! NO, NOT THE OTHER WAY! EAST! UNTIL YOU PASS ALLENTOWN! GET OUT WHILE THERE'S STILL TIME!

/Grew up in Bloomsburg


Hahahaha so true. I live outside of Philly, but my g/f grew up there so we go back occasionally to visit. It's like stepping into a time warp. On the plus side, drinks are so damn cheap.

/Angelo's is good though
 
2010-03-25 2:36:17 PM  

Tatsuma: Nemo's Brother: Then Jews and Muslims would be retarded for not eating bacon.

right because tasteless-aside-from-salt fat from a disgusting animal is the epitome of culinary taste.


Here is a thought- maybe the fact that you do not like bacon but the vast majority of the population does like bacon indicates that bacon is indeed good, just not for your tastes. Or I guess you could look at it your way, that you are right and all the rest of us are wrong. The way you choose to look at it says alot about you as a person.

Also, religion sucks and you are wasting your life. But then so are we all so what do I care.
 
2010-03-25 2:36:28 PM  
Because I'm such a pizza geek, I go through threads like this and record shout-outs from posters about their favorite pie shops.

After numerous pizza threads here and elsewhere, the top-25 vote-getters on my spreadsheet are as follows:

Frank Pepe's New Haven CT 93
Sally's Apizza New Haven CT 60
Lou Malnati's Pizza Chicago IL 42
Giordano's Chicago IL 42
Gino's East Chicago IL 42
Pizzeria Uno Chain USA 40
Modern Apizza New Haven CT 34
Pizzeria Bianco Phoenix AZ 31
John's Pizzeria Manhattan NY 24
Grimaldi's Brooklyn NY 23
Lombardi's Pizzeria NY 21
DeLorenzo's Tomato Pies Trenton NJ 20
Pizzeria Regina Boston MA 19
Mellow Mushroom Chain USA 19
Aurelio's Chicago IL 14
Di Fara Pizzeria NY 13
Pizzeria Due Chicago IL 13
PizzaPapalis Chain MI 12
Mack and Manco Pizza NJ 12
Vincent's Pizza Park Pittsburgh 11
Zachary's Oakland CA 11
Famous Ray's NY 11
Home Run Inn Chicago IL 10
Monical's Chain IL, IN, WI 9
 
2010-03-25 2:37:48 PM  

I Said: What a chicago casserole might look like


What a NY "pizza" may look like:

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2010-03-25 2:38:28 PM  

Queensowntalia: Per googlefight the results are pretty clear


Yeah because people are still searching for good pizza in New York.
 
2010-03-25 2:38:31 PM  
Sally's Pizza - New Haven ...
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... but my new favorite in New Haven: BAR
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Eggplant & Hot Cherry Peppers + AmBAR + Pale Ale (brewed on premises) ==
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/see you this weekend, BAR dude
 
2010-03-25 2:38:32 PM  

aninconvenienterection: Deep dish "pizza" is delicious, but it is not pizza. It is a pie or casserole. Calling it pizza doesnt make it so.


I am pretty sure that its called a "Pizza Pie" or in some parts of the country just a "pie". My theory is that New Yorkers subconsciously want thick pizza, or why would they fold it?
 
2010-03-25 2:38:36 PM  

sboyle1020: Hahahaha so true. I live outside of Philly, but my g/f grew up there so we go back occasionally to visit. It's like stepping into a time warp. On the plus side, drinks are so damn cheap.

/Angelo's is good though


Yeah. Some of my LI friends were AMAZED when they saw how cheap beers were in Scranton (they're big fans of the Office and wanted to go to Poor Richard's).

I think I love NYC so farking much because I grew up in rural Pennsylvania. And I do NOT want to go back.
 
2010-03-25 2:38:44 PM  
Also, Il Forno in Union, NJ has the best pizza and anyone who disagrees has either not had it or is a communist.
 
2010-03-25 2:38:51 PM  
So, she told bam that she wanted pizza, and he said, "Why don't you take the kids, take the keys for Air Force One (or in this case, DumbbiatchOne), and go and grab some pizza in NYC?

That's just a great way of spending tax payers money again, as usual. What, there wasn't any take out available in the East side of DC, or she didn't want to trouble the White House chef?
 
2010-03-25 2:38:56 PM  
My fav "italian" restaurant is owned by an iranian guy.

/Ha makes DELICIOUS pizzas
//Your argument is invalid
 
2010-03-25 2:38:57 PM  

MorePeasPlease: Genuine NY "Pinkie Pie":


WTF is wrong with you
 
2010-03-25 2:38:58 PM  

Certainly You Jest: Because I'm such a pizza geek, I go through threads like this and record shout-outs from posters about their favorite pie shops.

After numerous pizza threads here and elsewhere, the top-25 vote-getters on my spreadsheet are as follows:



I'm disappointed that I haven't done enough to get L&B in Brooklyn on that list.

That's 2 mentions this thread. Do they both count?
 
2010-03-25 2:39:18 PM  

Gordian Cipher: ghoulie_mask: As someone from New England who spent 13 years in NYC, I gotta say I don't think I ever considered what you guys are calling New York Style Pizza as "New York Style Pizza", it was always just "pizza". As in that is the norm, what most normal pizza looks like and should aspire to. I ate thousands of slices all over New York, some amazing, some horrible, but in the end, it was all still basically pizza. And none of my New York friends ever called it or considered it NY style, either, it was just "pizza" or a pie.

What I take from that is that while you perhaps could trace the origins of that style definitively to NYC, it has become the accepted de facto norm of what pizza is. Meaning, as a compliment, NY Style Pizza is now simply pizza, like Kleenex is facial tissue and Q-Tips are cotton swabs. No one in my 13 years in NYC or all my time growing up in New England ever referred to pizza as NY Style, because you never needed to... it was "pizza".

That is why one must always emphasize when eating that bread/tomato soup slop as Chicago Style Deep Dish Pizza. That isn't a point of pride, it's a point of clarification. "Oh, we aren't having pizza tonight, we are having some soupy bowl of slop in a bread bowl that is refferred to by the common misnomer Chicago Style 'Pizza'."

Just like Rocky Mountain Prairie Oysters aren't seafood.

BTW, allow me to suggest Two Boots pizza in the village as a superlative NYC pizza.

People in NY call it "pizza" because their worldview features NY covering about 75% of the Earth's surface, with the remainder going to Jersey, the ocean, and maybe Europe (way out past Jersey somewhere).

If they left the city once in a while, they wouldn't automatically label everything created outside NYC as inferior.

/just sayin'


Let me clarify.... I'm not some World Traveler, but I've been around. I've had pizza in New Mexico and Seattle, all over New England, Florida and DC, Las Vegas and Denver. At every place I had pizza, it was basically what everyone in this thread is calling NY Style Pizza. When a particular style is what is commonly replicated all over the country, and especially without the prefix "NY STYLE", well my friend, then that is pizza.

And Chicago Deep Dish is about 27 thousand light years away from what everyone else call pizza, not just New Yorkers.

Like I said, Rocky Mountain Prairie Oysters aren't seafood and Chicago Deep Dish isn't pizza.
 
2010-03-25 2:39:34 PM  
Chicago > New York.

/New York pizza is a JOKE
 
2010-03-25 2:39:53 PM  
Apples and oranges.

/Chicago Style FTW
 
2010-03-25 2:41:00 PM  
Pizza Place pizza in Parkersburg, WV. 'nuff said.
 
2010-03-25 2:41:03 PM  
Wait a minute... hey Tats... I knew your people can't actually EAT bacon, but is this anti-bacon evangelizing something that you guys do a lot? In general? Go around bad-mouthing bacon?

Because, if so, I just got a whole new perspective on a LOT of historical events.
 
2010-03-25 2:41:47 PM  

I Said: They look too big for the center to ever cool off. As if when it's finally cool enough to handle, you bite down, and magma flies into your stomach.


Hmm, good point.
 
2010-03-25 2:41:57 PM  
Oh, I'll note we also have a place that does New Haven style pretty well, although I doubt it's as good as the good New Haven ones. But our place also brews its own beer and has won the World Beer Cup Champion Small Brewpub title.
 
2010-03-25 2:42:36 PM  
As long as we're naming names, the next time you're in Pittsburgh go to Enrico's on the strip. You may overlook it because the sign says it's a biscotti company, but in fact they make some of the best brick-oven pizza in the yurld. I greatly prefer it to anything I've had in NYC.

Also also, Binghamton NY is the anus of the pizza-making world. Their pizza is sold in "sheets," and comes out exactly like the stuff they lunch lady handed you in Junior high. Even at fancy restaurants it's served in a cafeteria tray.
 
2010-03-25 2:42:48 PM  
As a Cleveland, Ohio resident, I can honestly say I've never had any amazing pizza. I really need to overcome my attitude of "pizza is meh," and try some artisan pizza when I'm out and about..
 
2010-03-25 2:42:50 PM  

MonkeyAngst: Wait a minute... hey Tats... I knew your people can't actually EAT bacon, but is this anti-bacon evangelizing something that you guys do a lot? In general? Go around bad-mouthing bacon?

Because, if so, I just got a whole new perspective on a LOT of historical events.


Hey, he doesn't speak for all Jews, and an increasing number of reform and even conservative Jews are very lax on keeping kosher. Some only keep kosher in their own households, or for holidays, or simply don't do it at all.

Myself and most of my Jewish friends farking love bacon, seafood, and cheeseburgers.
 
2010-03-25 2:43:11 PM  

President_Rexall: JaCiNto: They went to NY for pizza and a show? Did they take Air Force One? That's a pretty expensive pizza and a show!

Isn't there any pizza places in DC?

There are some great places, (2Amys, Armand's, Luigi's) but hey, if I had a 747 at my disposal 24/7 I'd take advantage of it too.


Don't forget Vace.
 
2010-03-25 2:43:15 PM  
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2010-03-25 2:43:34 PM  
Okay, wow. I have no idea what this is, but holy crap it looks tasty. (yay GIS)

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2010-03-25 2:43:46 PM  
I grew up in NY, now I live just outside Chicago. I've eaten more pizza than most families of 8 will over a lifetime, and I haven't cracked 30 years old. I've eaten pizza in Naples, Rome, Florence, Orvieto, and vairous locales in Sicily. I've devoured countless slices throughout the streets of Manhattan, Chicago, Kansas City, Cleveland, St. Louis, and L.A.

Throughout all these travels and thousands of slices of pie, I've come to know only two thruths - real pizza is made in a brick oven and the only city in the U.S. that can reproduce anything even REMOTELY close to real pizza is New York.
 
2010-03-25 2:43:56 PM  

MBrady: So, she told bam that she wanted pizza, and he said, "Why don't you take the kids, take the keys for Air Force One (or in this case, DumbbiatchOne), and go and grab some pizza in NYC?

That's just a great way of spending tax payers money again, as usual. What, there wasn't any take out available in the East side of DC, or she didn't want to trouble the White House chef?


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2010-03-25 2:44:31 PM  

tricycleracer: The one food Chicago does better:



What the hell is a sport pepper? You guys are just making up shiat.

Is there a hotdog in there somewhere in all that crap?
 
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