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(Kansas City)   For Kansans who *can* afford a marriage license, why not pay more and get a heavy duty covenant marriage?   (kansascity.com) divider line
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2010-02-20 10:43:46 PM  
Does it come with undercarriage rust proofing?
 
2010-02-20 10:48:01 PM  
Proponents say the option would strengthen marriages in Kansas. Couples choosing covenant marriage would have to receive premarital counseling and sign an affidavit stating their intentions.

And I'm totally sure an abuser won't pressure their spouse to get a "covenant marriage" and make it even harder (emotionally and legally) for the abused spouse to ditch them. /s
 
2010-02-20 10:50:09 PM  
I live in the state with the lowest rate of divorce. We take marriages seriously in the Commonwealth. It's not something to be taken lightly.

We are also the first state to allow gay marriages.
 
2010-02-20 10:50:59 PM  
Is this true?

In addition, mental abuse is not seen as a legitimate reason to end a marriage

Link (new window)
 
2010-02-20 10:51:37 PM  

smooshie: Proponents say the option would strengthen marriages in Kansas. Couples choosing covenant marriage would have to receive premarital counseling and sign an affidavit stating their intentions.

And I'm totally sure an abuser won't pressure their spouse to get a "covenant marriage" and make it even harder (emotionally and legally) for the abused spouse to ditch them. /s


Yeah the potential for abuse there is pretty bad. I'm not saying it's a bad idea in the abstract sense but putting it into practice is just asking for trouble.
 
2010-02-20 10:55:23 PM  
You know, if people lived together for a year before marriage, we'd probably end a lot of divorces.
 
2010-02-20 10:57:40 PM  

what_now: You know, if people lived together for a year before marriage, we'd probably end a lot of divorces.


I'm for some sort of classes or counseling before marriage too. I think it would save people a lot of grief if they were made to talk about things like budgets and child raising before they get married.
 
2010-02-20 11:01:49 PM  

Gwendolyn: I'm for some sort of classes or counseling before marriage too. I think it would save people a lot of grief if they were made to talk about things like budgets and child raising before they get married.


Honestly, the biggest shock to me in cohabiting was more simple things, like who had to wash the dishes and clean the bathroom. Once we got through that, we were fine.
 
2010-02-20 11:12:30 PM  
I am the only one that thinks the whole idea is idiotic. If the people involved believe in the idea of marriage why do they need the kind that allows more than a few strike before divorce is possible. I am willing to bet the people getting a covenant marriage would last as long with out the special license. I am sure their church could just add rider to the vows.
 
2010-02-20 11:24:11 PM  
This is the same governing body that just created a hardship waiver for couples who "cannot afford" the regular $69 marriage license fee. (There is another headline about this.) My mind boggles.
 
2010-02-20 11:49:20 PM  
All you people that are just married don't no anything about REAL marriage... you are all just 'kinda' married...
 
2010-02-20 11:58:16 PM  

WiteBuddha: All you people that are just married don't no anything about REAL marriage... you are all just 'kinda' married...


I've been married seven years. When does it turn into real marriage?
 
2010-02-21 12:24:57 AM  
This would be a great state if it wasn't for the people here.
 
2010-02-21 12:43:53 AM  
submitter: why not pay more and get a heavy duty covenant marriage?

Sure. Then everyone else's destruction would be the will of the Gods, and you would be their instrument.

Outstanding! :D
 
2010-02-21 12:46:49 AM  
Gay people will get to choose a covenant marriage too, right?
 
2010-02-21 12:48:26 AM  
The fact that Arkansas, Arizona and Louisiana are the only states to offer this Covenant Marriage alternative is reason enough me to think Governor Parkinson should veto this if it passes.

Apparently, he's not going to run for re-election so he can afford to piss of the fundies.
 
2010-02-21 12:57:52 AM  

eurotrader: I am the only one that thinks the whole idea is idiotic. If the people involved believe in the idea of marriage why do they need the kind that allows more than a few strike before divorce is possible. I am willing to bet the people getting a covenant marriage would last as long with out the special license. I am sure their church could just add rider to the vows.


It's just fundamentalist incrementalism. First you stop the homos from marrying. Then you offer the completely totally 100% optional super awesomo marriage option. Then comes the have lots of babies tax breaks, followed by passage of the "Get in the Kitchen and Bake Me a Pie Woman" defense of marriage amendment.
 
2010-02-21 1:10:35 AM  
but the sick part of this, is that it was passed by people who want government out of peoples lives.
 
2010-02-21 1:41:14 AM  
Mentat [TotalFark]
First you stop the homos from marrying.
Thanks for that I had not thought about how stupid and unconstitutional I think that is for awhile.

I am still confused why people care, if is made legal there will be no requirement making anyone gay that was not gay before. Equal protection should mean something
 
2010-02-21 2:04:09 AM  

eurotrader: I am still confused why people care


They view the gay like it's drugs. Really.

They think 99% of people don't use drugs because it's illegal. and if they made them legal then everyone will become junkies.


and they think 99% of people don't a weener in their butt because it's illegal. and if they made gay marriage legal then everyone will want a weener in their butt.
 
2010-02-21 2:06:50 AM  
Hefty Hefty Hefty
wimpy wimpy wimpy



Take the state out of the marriage business altogether and make the curches deal with EVERY aspect of them, all the record keeping, everything. We'll see how quick they change their minds about that.
 
2010-02-21 2:50:40 AM  
i would think that the types of people who would get a "Covenant" marriage would be less likely to get divorced anyway. I'm all for premarital counseling, as long as it isn't religious based (i had to attend a Catholic one, stupidest thing ever) and run by real counselors.

I wounder what the "higher threshold for divorce" is. Staying married for at least 5 years? Can't have irreconcilable differences?
 
2010-02-21 3:44:21 AM  
yea baby

covenant



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2010-02-21 3:44:36 AM  

what_now: Honestly, the biggest shock to me in cohabiting was more simple things, like who had to wash the dishes and clean the bathroom.


The wife, duh.
 
2010-02-21 3:46:21 AM  
Covenant marriage would be a voluntary agreement committing a couple to a higher threshold for divorce than conventional marriage.

WUT?
 
2010-02-21 3:52:11 AM  

mamoru: submitter: why not pay more and get a heavy duty covenant marriage?

Sure. Then everyone else's destruction would be the will of the Gods, and you would be their instrument.

Outstanding! :D


I see what you did there.
 
2010-02-21 3:52:46 AM  

what_now: I live in the state with the lowest rate of divorce. We take marriages seriously in the Commonwealth. It's not something to be taken lightly.

We are also the first state to allow gay marriages.


Massachusetts also has a shiatton of Catholics. Gay marriage hasn't been around long enough to chalk it up to a lower rate of divorce, but the Catholics have.

But really, Kansas, this is just stupid.
 
2010-02-21 3:54:45 AM  

cretinbob: Take the state out of the marriage business altogether and make the curches deal with EVERY aspect of them, all the record keeping, everything. We'll see how quick they change their minds about that.


Most churches do already. Marriage in a church and marriage in the state are two different things altogether, they just happen at the same time.
 
2010-02-21 3:57:11 AM  

what_now: You know, if people lived together for a year before marriage, we'd probably end a lot of divorces.


Bring back the handfasting!
 
2010-02-21 4:05:47 AM  

cretinbob: Take the state out of the marriage business altogether and make the curches deal with EVERY aspect of them, all the record keeping, everything. We'll see how quick they change their minds about that.


This doesn't strike me as the greatest idea, but... I have a feeling that it could potentially have the curious side-effect of secularizing many churches to some extent.
 
2010-02-21 4:07:49 AM  
So let me see if I grasp this, these ppl are choosing to allow the state to make it harder to dissolve their contract. One in which if everything was fine they wouldn't dissolve?????????

*sigh*
 
2010-02-21 4:07:54 AM  
Yeah, I believe that under most circumstances, marriage should be for life, but even so, I wouldn't do a covenant marriage if I ever get married. It seems like a great way to make it hard, especially on women, to get out of psychologically abusive relationships without risking too much financially because that kind of abuse is next to impossible to prove.
 
2010-02-21 4:10:26 AM  

FormlessOne: Does it come with undercarriage rust proofing?


No, but it comes with a rainbow, so you can look up and know that god will never flood your bed with sexy women ever again...
 
2010-02-21 4:13:57 AM  
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What a covenant marriage might look like.

/heavy duty?
 
2010-02-21 4:14:23 AM  
Is this the reason Modern Ruin was delayed?
 
2010-02-21 4:15:13 AM  

mantrum: What a covenant marriage might look like.

/heavy duty?


Since you brought that image up, I bring you this one: Rule 34.

/you're welcome
 
2010-02-21 4:17:41 AM  

shrive me fool: mantrum: What a covenant marriage might look like.

/heavy duty?

Since you brought that image up, I bring you this one: Rule 34.

/you're welcome


I'd thank you but I have no idea what Rule 34 might be.

/enlightenment?
 
2010-02-21 4:19:47 AM  

mantrum: I'd thank you but I have no idea what Rule 34 might be.

/enlightenment?


google
 
2010-02-21 4:26:33 AM  
Rule 34 of the internet is an internet phenomenon which has been expressed as "Rule 34: There is porn of it - no exceptions". It has also been simplified as "If it exists, there is porn of it somewhere on the Internet."[1] In the sense of the meme, this especially relates to originally sexually innocent subjects such as (for example) characters from children's cartoon series, comic books or TV serials. It has been described as one of the things that "make the internet a frightening place".[2]

The meme is believed to have orginated on the 4chan imageboard.[3]

And? I cant beleieve for 1 second that I have commited any kind of violation, given the above definition (from Wiki). Am I missing the point?
 
2010-02-21 4:28:42 AM  

mantrum: And? I cant beleieve for 1 second that I have commited any kind of violation, given the above definition (from Wiki). Am I missing the point?


I was suggesting that by bringing up that couple, that you should then think of "Rule 34" i.e. think of them doin' it.

/why?
//felt like it
 
2010-02-21 4:29:48 AM  
So just like any extended warranty, it's useless and overpriced?
 
2010-02-21 4:31:28 AM  
Ahhhh. Bach.

/please pass the eye-bleach
//Thanks
///I think
 
2010-02-21 4:31:45 AM  

mantrum: And?


*facepalm* (new window)
 
2010-02-21 4:33:35 AM  

Bloody William: So just like any extended warranty, it's useless and overpriced?


I paid $600 for mine and already have gotten $2500 worth of repairs done on it!

/car, not marriage. so far no damage claims on the marriage.
 
2010-02-21 4:39:31 AM  
You could consider me somewhat of a "fundie", so I know something of this. My question is, since marriage itself is a covenant before God, why would anything more be necessary? They type of people so seem like they would go for this are probably the religious. So shouldn't they just be taking their regular marriage more seriously in the first place?
 
2010-02-21 4:42:10 AM  
I would have thought this was an onion article. But its not.
 
2010-02-21 4:45:18 AM  

taurusowner: So shouldn't they just be taking their regular marriage more seriously in the first place?


Like most BS laws. It's not about the people who support the law. It's about "those other people".

The fundie/busybody types think their marriages are just fine. They just want to make it harder for the less faithful.
 
2010-02-21 4:49:52 AM  
Had a year of marriage counseling before getting married. Talked about everything.

Guess what...women lie like jackals when they just want to fark. 12 years later, when they finally admit it, they get to fark the guy over financially, too.

Yay, marriage. Fark you women. Want everything for nothing.
 
2010-02-21 4:51:28 AM  

smooshie: Proponents say the option would strengthen marriages in Kansas. Couples choosing covenant marriage would have to receive premarital counseling and sign an affidavit stating their intentions.

And I'm totally sure an abuser won't pressure their spouse to get a "covenant marriage" and make it even harder (emotionally and legally) for the abused spouse to ditch them. /s


If it were up to me, I'd annul any "covenant marriage" on the basis that the very fact that some one agreed to a "covenant marriage" means they were obviously mentally incompetent at the time. (And/or because signing away your rights is in itself dodgy; courts have not held up S&M folks' master/slave agreements for similar reasons; it's perfectly legal to agree/consent to get spanked, and enjoy it - it's not legal to sign an agreement that extends consent into the future.)

If actual judges feel the same way, a "covenant marriage" could turn out to be easier to get out of than a regular marriage, at least legally speaking.
 
2010-02-21 4:55:50 AM  
Wrong direction, we need automatically expiring marriage contracts, with a pre-nup written in. Kinda like serving in the military, or doing time, you serve your time, you're free to leave.

More seriously, write them so that they automatically expire unless the couple chooses to renew. I would think minor modifications of standard contracts could cover all the issues.
 
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