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(Some Guy)   'Atlanta Progressive News' fires senior reporter for violating paper's editorial policy by adhering to "the notion that there was an objective reality that could be reported objectively"   (blogs.creativeloafing.com) divider line
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7499 clicks; posted to Main » on 16 Feb 2010 at 5:15 PM (11 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2010-02-16 2:19:55 PM  
What news was being reported 'objectively'?
 
2010-02-16 2:22:07 PM  
from the press release

"We believe there is no such thing as objective news. Typically, mainstream media presents itself as objective but is actually skewed towards promoting the corporate agenda of the ultra-wealthy.

APN, on the other hand, does not pretend to be objective. We believe that our news coverage is fair and that our progressive principles are fair. We aim when possible to give voice to all sides, but aim to provide something different than what is already provided by corporate sources."

is the atlanta progressive a sole proprietorship?
 
2010-02-16 2:22:16 PM  
NO! What about FAUX News! When are THEY gonna admit it?

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2010-02-16 2:31:03 PM  
How dare a publication openly state their editorial perspective. This sort of transparency cannot be tolerated!
 
rmz
2010-02-16 2:33:17 PM  
Damn conservative mainstream MSM media bias.
 
2010-02-16 2:34:20 PM  
We believe there is no such thing as objective news. Typically, mainstream media presents itself as objective but is actually skewed towards promoting the corporate agenda of the ultra-wealthy.

I agree...

He held on to the notion that there was an objective reality that could be reported objectively, despite the fact that that was not our editorial policy at Atlanta Progressive News. It just wasn't the right fit.

HELLO MONSIEUR CRAZYPANTS!
 
2010-02-16 2:39:46 PM  
What the hell was that?

It's Bizzaro in multiple dimensions.. progressive news organization fires someone for being objective? I can't wrap my head around it, I'm going to bed..
 
2010-02-16 2:48:46 PM  

albo: from the press release

"We believe there is no such thing as objective news. Typically, mainstream media presents itself as objective but is actually skewed towards promoting the corporate agenda of the ultra-wealthy.

APN, on the other hand, does not pretend to be objective. We believe that our news coverage is fair and that our progressive principles are fair. We aim when possible to give voice to all sides, but aim to provide something different than what is already provided by corporate sources."

is the atlanta progressive a sole proprietorship?


From their FAQ:

Atlanta Progressive News, Inc., is Georgia [sic] corporation.
 
2010-02-16 2:53:09 PM  
So they're "secretly" run by CNN?
 
2010-02-16 3:00:17 PM  

ne2d: Atlanta Progressive News, Inc., is Georgia [sic] corporation.


so news from this particular corporate source is okay
 
2010-02-16 3:10:38 PM  
"All the News That (we think) Is Fit to Print."
 
2010-02-16 3:32:01 PM  
At least they are being honest about their bias.

I would LOVE to see some of the big corporate whores follow suit.
 
2010-02-16 3:38:51 PM  
What a load of liberal psycho-babble.

Meh.
 
2010-02-16 3:42:31 PM  
He should apply for a job at a Murdoch-owned business. They are well-known for being Fair & Balanced™
 
2010-02-16 3:43:13 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: We believe there is no such thing as objective news. Typically, mainstream media presents itself as objective but is actually skewed towards promoting the corporate agenda of the ultra-wealthy.

I agree...

He held on to the notion that there was an objective reality that could be reported objectively, despite the fact that that was not our editorial policy at Atlanta Progressive News. It just wasn't the right fit.

HELLO MONSIEUR CRAZYPANTS!


I have no problem with a news publication having an explicit policy of advocating a particular political agenda and hiring/firing people based on that policy. You'd think they could have worded it in a way that didn't make them look ridiculous.
 
2010-02-16 3:47:09 PM  

ne2d: I have no problem with a news publication having an explicit policy of advocating a particular political agenda and hiring/firing people based on that policy. You'd think they could have worded it in a way that didn't make them look ridiculous.


Precisely.
 
2010-02-16 4:18:25 PM  
So, it's OK for WSJ to go right, but not OK for this paper to go left?

ne2d: You'd think they could have worded it in a way that didn't make them look ridiculous.

That.
 
2010-02-16 5:18:17 PM  
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/the Dude abides
 
2010-02-16 5:20:01 PM  

Alphax: What the hell was that?

It's Bizzaro in multiple dimensions.. progressive news organization fires someone for being objective? I can't wrap my head around it, I'm going to bed..


I worked at a liberal non profit where the office manager got incredibly pissed off at my coworker when he commented that Chavez wasn't necessarily good for Venezuela.

/facepalm
 
2010-02-16 5:21:32 PM  
This is what's wrong with the US today.

Many people outright deny that there is an objective reality.

/thank you for being honest, APN.
 
2010-02-16 5:24:41 PM  
Good for them. The laws of thermodynamics, for example, were first conceived by wealthy white European males and are currently used by most multinational corporations in their relentless pursuit of profit. Hence, they have a vested interest in protecting those laws. It's the paper's duty to question such biased assumptions and open our minds to alternative theories... "theories of color", if you will.
 
2010-02-16 5:26:55 PM  
Who cares?
Some nobody working for a nobody paper in the middle of nowhere gets fired in a right-to-work state?
Who cares?
 
2010-02-16 5:27:31 PM  
Troublesome, but at least it (appears to be) a fringe newspaper.
 
2010-02-16 5:29:05 PM  
There's an Atlanta Progressive News?
 
2010-02-16 5:29:43 PM  
So if there is no objective reality, then what are they subjectively reporting on?
 
2010-02-16 5:29:45 PM  

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Good for them. The laws of thermodynamics, for example, were first conceived by wealthy white European males and are currently used by most multinational corporations in their relentless pursuit of profit. Hence, they have a vested interest in protecting those laws. It's the paper's duty to question such biased assumptions and open our minds to alternative theories... "theories of color", if you will.


You could have posted the picture of the dog and the hose, but nooo...
 
2010-02-16 5:29:49 PM  
One of those leftist hippie rag weekly papers you find for free in the lobbies of dining locations and movie theatres admits they are a leftist rag and aren't interested in continuing the employment of a reporter that actually desired to report the facts with no slant... And people are suprised?

It's not like anyone reads those things for their in depth, quality reporting... you pick them up to bide time waiting for food to be delivered; checking out movie listings and what concerts will be hitting the area soon.

At least they were honest about why they fired him.
 
2010-02-16 5:31:20 PM  

ne2d: hillbillypharmacist: We believe there is no such thing as objective news. Typically, mainstream media presents itself as objective but is actually skewed towards promoting the corporate agenda of the ultra-wealthy.

I agree...

He held on to the notion that there was an objective reality that could be reported objectively, despite the fact that that was not our editorial policy at Atlanta Progressive News. It just wasn't the right fit.

HELLO MONSIEUR CRAZYPANTS!

I have no problem with a news publication having an explicit policy of advocating a particular political agenda and hiring/firing people based on that policy. You'd think they could have worded it in a way that didn't make them look ridiculous.


Thread over, man.

until having been contacted by Andisheh Nouaree at Creative Loafing with the news agency's threat of publishing a blog entry about it.


They were threatened by a blog post? Pussies.
 
2010-02-16 5:31:37 PM  

INTERTRON: Who cares?
Some nobody working for a nobody paper in the middle of nowhere gets fired in a right-to-work state?
Who cares?


Here's the point - .

And waaaaaay over here

is

you


INTERTRON


Get it?
 
2010-02-16 5:32:06 PM  
Personally I could never work in one of those loony Left or Right wing newspapers, because after the 10th or 20th slant on a subject, my mind seems to scream "Maybe this one isn't a [insert other-side] conspiracy to [insert other-side's agenda].

These papers don't get readers by reporting regular news, regularly. These readers are brainwashed to think a certain way, and the papers get readers to buy papers/ads by focusing on a certain viewpoint to the detrement of rational thought.
 
2010-02-16 5:33:20 PM  
I see a lot of people who probably claim there is no liberal bias in newspapers are defending this action.
 
2010-02-16 5:33:40 PM  

INTERTRON: Who cares?
Some nobody working for a nobody paper in the middle of nowhere gets fired in a right-to-work state?
Who cares?


Apparently it's got you pretty steamed.
 
2010-02-16 5:35:29 PM  

nexxus: Many people outright deny that there is an objective reality.


What makes you think there is one?
 
2010-02-16 5:35:33 PM  
I'm torn on this one. Good for APN being honest about their agenda - Fox could learn from this. On the other hand....isn't there some objective truth? I am very bothered by the idea of nothing but "relative" truth. 1984, anyone?

But as long as you Know where APN stands I guess its their call, what with this being a free country and all.
 
2010-02-16 5:36:28 PM  

OgreMagi: I see a lot of people who probably claim there is no liberal bias in newspapers are defending this action.


I see an adorable little baby troll.
 
2010-02-16 5:37:46 PM  

OgreMagi: I see a lot of people who probably claim there is no liberal bias in newspapers are defending this action.


Really?
Where?
 
2010-02-16 5:38:12 PM  

El Robbo: OgreMagi: I see a lot of people who probably claim there is no liberal bias in newspapers are defending this action.

I see an adorable little baby troll.


You should stop staring at your butt with a mirror.
 
2010-02-16 5:39:05 PM  

Gato Negro: What a load of liberal psycho-babble.

Meh.


Right. Because in your world, they should have just insisted that they were 'Fair and Balanced', admitted nothing, and carried on from there.

I have no problem if a media organization approaches things from a conservative perspective. It's a legitimate worldview. But that's the difference between you and I- you honestly believe that any worldview other than the narrow range you've defined is illegitimate.
 
2010-02-16 5:39:30 PM  
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DOES NOT APPROVE
 
2010-02-16 5:39:46 PM  

mediablitz: At least they are being honest about their bias.


I agree, that part is refreshing at least.
 
2010-02-16 5:39:56 PM  
To be fair, I don't entirely disagree with their statement in the entirety. There obviously is an objective reality to the events that happen in the world, but is there really such a thing as entirely objective news coverage? For every story, there are facts that just don't fit in the piece, or that the reporter doesn't find out, or that he didn't see with his own eyes. Even if we're talking about an unedited video of some event, the cameraman has still decided where to point the camera, and what to focus on.

Yes, they sound pretty crazy - but though there are relative degrees of objectivity in news reporting, it's probably true that there's really no such thing as 100% objective reporting of reality.
 
2010-02-16 5:40:50 PM  

risc averse: On the other hand....isn't there some objective truth? I am very bothered by the idea...


You should explore your feelings further. There's a reason why it bothers you, I think.

Maybe, just maybe, everyone in the world believes that their own perception of reality, their own understanding of observed facts, and their own interpretation of how those facts "fit" into their own worldview... is the "objective" and "correct" one. And it's everyone ELSE who is blind to their own bias.

/j-school major
//philosophy minor
///at Georgia, no less!
 
2010-02-16 5:40:57 PM  

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Good for them. The laws of thermodynamics, for example, were first conceived by wealthy white European males and are currently used by most multinational corporations in their relentless pursuit of profit. Hence, they have a vested interest in protecting those laws. It's the paper's duty to question such biased assumptions and open our minds to alternative theories... "theories of color", if you will.


Thank you for shedding light on this heated subject.
 
2010-02-16 5:41:18 PM  
Do you know who else was not concerned about objectivity if it did not support their views on how things should be?
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2010-02-16 5:42:06 PM  
So the well-known bias of reality towards liberalism just wasn't enough for these people, eh?

Snark aside, this is not particularly surprising. I have worked at - and been fired from - more newspapers than most people have had hot meals and I can say this with assurance: Managing editors are arrogant, uptight, back-stabbing weenies. These people suck. They will throw you under the corporate bus for any reason whatsoever, including their own personal problems (which are universally multitudinous). I guarantee that the truth of this firing has nothing to do with the strange fig-leaf ("we're not objective but we're fair") offered.
 
2010-02-16 5:43:03 PM  

risc averse: I'm torn on this one. Good for APN being honest about their agenda - Fox could learn from this. On the other hand....isn't there some objective truth? I am very bothered by the idea of nothing but "relative" truth. 1984, anyone?


There are objective truths, but there is no such thing as truly objective reporting. Even just the act of choosing which story to run with is subjective, and colors the final product.

You can do nothing but report facts and yet be a very, very biased source of information depending on how you choose which facts you report -- for example, if your newspaper reported on every single Republican scandal, no matter how minor, and ignored any Democratic scandal, no matter how major, even if everything you write is factual, it's not objective.

In the end, news can never really be objective; news will always present a distorted view of reality, if for no other reason than that most of reality isn't "newsworthy".
 
2010-02-16 5:43:25 PM  
FOX stays away from admitting their slant because they would lose any authority with their core audience. It would be no less than tacking "but that's just our opinion" on the end of every report and program. It doesn't fit with their viewer's need for absolute authoritarianism.
 
2010-02-16 5:43:35 PM  
I guess this rag is like the City Paper here in baltimore. The only thing that rag is good for is checking what's going on at the local strip clubs and for covering my painting desk when I need a new newspaper...
 
2010-02-16 5:44:11 PM  

unyon: Gato Negro: What a load of liberal psycho-babble.

Meh.

Right. Because in your world, they should have just insisted that they were 'Fair and Balanced', admitted nothing, and carried on from there.

I have no problem if a media organization approaches things from a conservative perspective. It's a legitimate worldview. But that's the difference between you and I- you honestly believe that any worldview other than the narrow range you've defined is illegitimate.



They have every right to choose who works for their organization. What is discussion worthy is the statement that attempts to deny objective reality. If there is no objective reality, then their paper and their ideas are vaccuous strings of words that convey no meaning.

Universal skepticism is the mentality of retards.
 
2010-02-16 5:45:49 PM  

TheBigJerk: Troublesome, but at least it (appears to be) a fringe newspaper.


How is this troublesome? The word "Progressive" is in their farking title. And yeah, it's a fringe publication... so again, who is troubled by this, and why?

If the 'Southern Conservative Republican Journal' existed, would it be troubling to learn that they have a point-of-view and aren't afraid to use it?
 
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