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2003-04-18 11:33:44 AM  
2003-04-18 12:26:23 PM  
Can't believe nobody mentioned these:

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2003-04-18 12:28:22 PM  
Sorry, other pictures posted didn't work.

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2003-04-18 12:40:13 PM  
I think everyone on this (possibly dead) thread would enjoy this. Especially CB.

2003-04-18 12:48:00 PM  
I like Guinness, but prefer acid.

2003-04-18 01:02:00 PM  
Deef---that looks like a real poor photoshop
2003-04-18 01:03:59 PM  
The Lunatics GM forum? I prefer alt.camaro.firebird or alt.autos.pontiac usenet groups. Talk about the occaisional flame fest WOOF! BTW seen the new GTO yet?
2003-04-18 01:11:52 PM  
2003-04-18 01:13:58 PM  
One thing many department higher ups never think of when they buy smaller more fuel efficient cars is the interior room. By the time you stick a couple of radios, light controllers, shotgun and other cop paraphernalia in the front things start getting quite cramped. Plus the officer is wearing his duty gear which includes a gun, radio and other crap he has to pack around so getting in and out can become a chore. Many guys spend nearly all day in those cars which makes comfort something other than a luxury. One county guy I know went from one of the newer lumina or impala sized cars to a Yukon and he loves it. It isnt as fast, doesnt handle as well but for bouncing around the rural areas with unpaved roads and for winter it is great. It is also much roomier up front and has tons of space to carry gear. Easier for the taller and larger officers to get in and out of too.
2003-04-18 01:17:47 PM  
As far as I'm concerned all pigs can die. Now Peace Officers on the other hand deserve all our support. BTW; if you don't understand the difference please off yourself for the good of the gene pool.
2003-04-18 01:22:55 PM  
Since my car is starting to slowly die, I've pondered hitting the state surplus lot and picking up an old Crown Victoria. Mostly for the cool black and white paint job. Anyone think this is a good idea or not?
2003-04-18 01:26:08 PM  
Not that I would try, but I think I could give most cops a good run for their money on my Duc :)

The best cars to use if you are in a chase and are the chasee are common cars, not the super exotic or a riced out car that sticks out like a sore thumb.

Ex: Many years ago, I was in my 88 GT Mustang doin' 60+ in a 30 down a main drag somewhere near where I live. I saw a cop staking out the drag after I was passing him. I looked in my rear view and saw his headlights and such pop on, at this point I knew he was the shark and I was the minnow. I kept on the gas and whipped what we will call a left at the next light and pulled into a parking lot and turned off all lights. He hauled ass by me and chased "me" into the neighborhood. I quickly left town for the evening. (might or might not be true to protect the possibly guilty or innocent)
2003-04-18 01:34:11 PM  
"04-18-03 01:22:55 PM KattTiger
Since my car is starting to slowly die, I've pondered hitting the state surplus lot and picking up an old Crown Victoria. Mostly for the cool black and white paint job. Anyone think this is a good idea or not?"
Do you know how/like to work on Ford cars, and do you have the money to put into a car like that to keep it running?
Or do you have the cash to pay a mechanic to keep it going? If you do, then go for it. The only problem is that with a car like that, everybody drives slow around you until they figure out you are not a cop.
I wouldn't waste my money personally.
2003-04-18 01:34:51 PM  
Ducati's rule! Is it an 888 or Monster?
2003-04-18 01:40:25 PM  
"04-18-03 10:37:25 AM Malfeas99
Also-, being that it's a honda, I feel pretty confident that I can drive the absolute piss out of it for years."

True enough, but when it does break, which all machines eventually do, can you fix it for cheap?

That is the beauty of the Mustang/Camaro, A stock rebuilt V8 engine installed runs about 1200 bucks. Most any problem with it can be fixed by the local grease monkey or you can be your own local grease monkey and save lotsa cash.
I can't wait until I can get rid of the my crappy Focus. Back to the Mustang for me!
2003-04-18 01:45:10 PM  
CB 97 Monster 750. It is yellow with carbon fenders and tail section. I got it for 4grand from a guy in Austin. The only things I need to do to get it to great shape are to get new tires(for inspection) and adjust the carbs. I just ride the piss out of it on the back roads where I live until I can get the tires and inspection.
2003-04-18 01:54:48 PM  
Wicked! Those Monsters are the bad boys! I wanted one but ended up buying a Buell. Pretty happy so far. If you got it for 4K that was a STEAL! What rubber are you planning on, Bridgstone, Goodyear, or Avon?
2003-04-18 02:02:50 PM  
I got my Buell Firebolt in May. My Pop thought I was insane because the first thing I did after running the break-in miles was to strip it down, add a turbocharger and NoS. Best 984 CC's I ever bought!
2003-04-18 02:03:57 PM  

Perhaps someone can confirm or deny. I've been told by officers from two different departments that their CV's use F-150 transformers to generate more torque. Opinions?

Jacque_Schtrapp, transmissions don't MAKE torque. They simply transmit whatever torque and power the engine develops. The gearing in the transmission and differential dictate how the torque is multiplied, and will enable higher cruising speeds or faster acceleration based on the gearing choices that are made.

Cop cars are most likely geared for top end/fuel economy.

It's possible that CVs use truck transmissions, but I don't know. They would possibly be used for their presumably greater durability.
2003-04-18 02:10:09 PM  
Cop cars are geared for the fastest ride to Dunkin-Donuts.

2003-04-18 02:15:41 PM  
My 1987 Dodge Diplomat SE.  Not a real cop car, but still has the sorta
intimidating look when you see it in your rear-view mirror.

It's a 318 cubic inch V8 with a two barrel "lean burn"
carburetor.  I can walk faster than this car can move.  It may be
slow, but it's got lots of torque.  It can move mountains, but it does it
slowly, and with proper maintenance it'll probably last forever.

I see a 360/crate engine in its future if it doesn't rust away by the time it
turns 25.

That said, my '69 Dodge Dart convertible, '93 Toyota Camry V6 and '99 Toyota
Solara V6 are a whole lot more fun to drive but this is a great
"beater" car.

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2003-04-18 02:25:14 PM  
There was a build on one of those in "Popular Hot-Rodding" where they used junkyard parts from cop-cars to upgrade the drivetrain and suspension. Ultimate sleeper! Those leanburn engines have been a joke since they came out. What are the two worse things for electronics? Heat and vibration. Where did Chrysler mount the control computer? On the air cleaner. LOL
2003-04-18 02:30:28 PM  
One of the stupidest thing I've ever seen was..

I was in Dayton Ohio and the local news aired a story showing dashcam video of a police chase right down the main street of a tiny town. The speeds were in excess of 100 mph. A few time the perp almost lost control, luckily he just side swiped a few cars to regain control.

It all started when the police tried to pull this guy over because they suspected he was drunk. Then he took off. The stupid thing was, they started chasing a drunk driver at over 100 mph down the main drag of a tiny town.

Talk about throwing gas on a fire. What idiots.

A couple of Ford fiesta's and some radio's could have gotten this drunk off the street and would have been much safer.
2003-04-18 02:35:20 PM  

You're not kidding about those Lean Burn systems.

I bought the car over a year ago as a "station car", and picked up a used computer on ebay. Turned out it was defective. I had to replace most of the air injection system and the catalytic converter to get it to pass NYS smog.

The car runs (walks?) pretty well, though it needs a carburetor rebuild. I bought the kit months ago and haven't had time to do the job.

The car handles surprisingly well for a vehicle of its size. It handles like a much smaller car; much better since I put the "cop wheels" with the wider rubber on. I may put in a rear sway bar over the summer, but first I have to deal with more mundane stuff like the carb, the moonroof motor, a new power antenna, and the keyless entry system I bought last year and never put in.

I saw another article about these cars ("M" bodies) in Hot-Rod. They showed a modified car with a lowered roof, recessed door handles and such, lowered suspension. They actually made the car UGLIER!
2003-04-18 02:39:16 PM  
That CHP car looks like a photoshop.
2003-04-18 02:45:03 PM  
CB-I want to put Pirelli tires on it to keep with the Italian theme, but I will buy what is the best deal except that French brand (I believe it is Dunlop) even if it is the best and cheapest tire for my application.
2003-04-18 02:49:04 PM  
My buddy has a Chrysler new Yorker (same body style). We yanked the lean burn and put a Mopar Performance parts ignition in with a Mallory coil. It really woke that 318 up. By "cop wheels" do you mean the 15 X 9 6 slot steel rims? Those are great wheels.
2003-04-18 02:53:17 PM  
Cool. On my 57 HD Sporty I run a 21 Avon front with an 18 Goodyear rear. The Buell came with Avons and I'm pretty happy with them. Pirrelli's are great tires but they can be pricey depending on where (and when)you buy them. Is there a Ducati owners group near you? If there is the other owners might be able to help.
2003-04-18 03:06:09 PM  
Then there's Sheriff Gerald Hege in Davidson Co., NC, who thinks he's Buford Pusser from "Walking Tall". He bought an Impala SS cusomized by Richard Childress (Nascar) with seized drug money (some say he crossed the county line to get some of it). He likes high speed pursuit and a paramilitary approach to law enforcement. One article is here if interested:


Saturns, 90 mph? Yeah, off a cliff! ;-)
2003-04-18 03:06:46 PM  
Rice burners and Heavy American metal, you can keep them all. I'll stick to my Saab 9-5, 240 hp 4 cyl turbo. Cruises at 100 mph like a Chevy doing 40 mph. It might be a little slow on the uptake, but once your moving, it's all over! I just love hitting the pedal when I'm doing 75 mph and feel it jump as it takes off!

/ oh and I get 29 mpg round town, My father's Lexus V6 averages 24, ON THE HIGHWAY!
2003-04-18 03:08:51 PM  
CB-Thanks for the advice on checking with the local club. Sounds like you like the Firebolt, I didn't give it a test ride, it was a bit out of my wallet's price range, but a biatchin' bike indeed. I sat on one at the local HD shop and it felt kinda short and small, and the lightning felt even smaller, not that the monster is a big bike. How do you like the 57 sportster as far as performance and ride go. The MSF course I took loaned me a Honda Rebel 250 and it was ok as far as riding position, but not as comfy as some folks say when it comes to the cruser style.
I hope to one day build a custom Chopper. I have a friend who her and her dad are working on several project HD style bikes and they are pimp shiat for sure. They said if I can pony up 15g for parts they would help me build one of my own. For me it is one of those, one of these days pojects.
2003-04-18 03:12:00 PM  

I have been to 3 Saturn Dealerships and had various problems at all three.

The only place I didn't have a problem servicing my Saturn was at a GM dealer in a smaller town that was certified to service Saturns. Other than that, SERVICE AT SATURN SUCKS ASS.
2003-04-18 03:16:01 PM  
The 57 is bored and stroked running a 71 Shovelhead top end and a Sporty lower with 327 Chev pistons. 165 CUI displacement. She's a roller. When I first bought the Buell I looked like a monkey farking a football. But I extended the swingarm like I did on the Sporty and now she fits nice.

Bite me...
2003-04-18 03:16:57 PM  
Jammin- I feel you, I used to have a 73 saab 90 (or 99 I don't remember) and it was cool, no turbo, but a fun ride. My buddy's dad had the turbo saab and it was pretty cool. The only problem with them is are you going to rebuild the engine or pay big bucks to someone else? Yea, American Iron uses lots of gas, but don't forget we now have a friendly new supply :) and even if we didn't, it is not like europe where those folks pay 10 bucks a gallon or something rediculuous like that. You gotta love a country where gas is cheaper than bottled water and soda!
2003-04-18 03:18:02 PM  

I don't think I'll have any problems finding a 'grease monkey' to do any work. The b16a engine and various accoutrements with the Civic Si is so ridiculously popular with the import ricer crowd that it's been a cinch to find scores of people that have done engine work, swaps, transmission maintenance, etc, for way, way cheaper than the dealership would do it.

Just a matter of finding one I'd trust, of course.
2003-04-18 03:19:35 PM  

BTW the MSF course is the best thing in the world. I teach one and the riders that come out are aware. I wish all riders would swallow thier pride and take one.
2003-04-18 03:20:14 PM  
Ok, this keyboard SUCKS!
2003-04-18 03:22:58 PM  
CB-Does the riding position kill your back? My back hurt like a MF when I rode the Rebel.
Maybe I'm just getting old and decrepid.
/turn down that music damn kids!
2003-04-18 03:25:49 PM  
So the guy who engineers the mods on your car you consider a "grease monkey"? If you think it is so easy that you look down at your wrench I recommend trying it yourself.
2003-04-18 03:27:00 PM  

Nope, with the extended swingarm even my old ass (45) finds it comfy.
2003-04-18 03:27:55 PM  
Ok, this suxxors. html works like 50% of the time...
2003-04-18 03:30:18 PM  
Plus I like the fairing in chilly weather and being able to detach the hard bags when I go into a hotel for the night.
2003-04-18 03:32:12 PM  
04-18-03 03:18:02 PM Malfeas99
I have personally rebuilt Saab and Honda engines and will never do so again unless it is for some hot chick that I'm doin'. Those engines (Saab) have very tight tolerances and are a pain in the arse in general and mechanics are not cheap for the foreign jobs roughly 2500-3500 for a rebuild. Hondas are not as bad, but to get at anything you have to be Mr. Super streach plastic dude.
On a slightly different note, ricers are funny, my buddy has a GMC 4dr 4x4 diesel truck that with an intake mod he was looking at would produce something like 350hp and 500ft lb of torque which would blow all but the most extreme ricers away. This just makes me laugh.
2003-04-18 03:38:12 PM  
CB-I originally called them a "grease monkey". I like the work, but I can't stand the grease and heat of summer. Believe you me, I know it is difficult, I just helped my friend rebuild her Bronco's 302.
2003-04-18 03:38:59 PM  
CB: Yeah, what bluenovaman said.

I call them 'people that can fix my car'.
2003-04-18 03:40:13 PM  
My Pop put propane and NoS injection systems on his 93 1 ton Cummings Dodge Diesel. He uses the Bully-Dog control comp. I swear to god you could not only pull a house down with it, but you could drag it to the local dump without raising a sweat!
2003-04-18 03:41:33 PM  
Ok, sorry but I thought you were putting down mechanics. My bad...
2003-04-18 03:48:04 PM  
Okay, we have some rodders in here. Name the movie that this quote is from:
"Going fast is just a matter of money."
2003-04-18 03:48:18 PM  

Omfg dude you have to have some sort of complex.

I thought we established before that the area around me is a 'no attitude' zone, as far as this discussion goes. :P

I think you and Bluenovaman identify with a very different type of car culture than what most 'ricers' enjoy in their scene. I have 'w00t check out my 458,487,043,287.2 year old POS pickup with 8 billion horsepower that I built myself' friends, and I have a 'Man, check out my supercharged NSX with specialized HaveChicksCrawlingAllOverYou(tm) visual effects' friend or two.

It's kinda funny to hear one trash the other. I see merit in both.
2003-04-18 03:52:15 PM  
Ummm, look up a couple of posts. I apologized. BTW while I Love American iron I get paid often to build rice. If it's done right, any car can have class.
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