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(Guardian)   High level irony - paleography might become a lost art   (guardian.co.uk) divider line
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2010-02-10 2:17:39 PM  
I like it. The irony, I mean.

2010-02-10 2:56:55 PM  
Subby is too good to use the Irony tag, I guess.

2010-02-10 3:19:12 PM  

rmz: Subby is too good ironic to use the Irony tag, I guess.


2010-02-10 3:26:50 PM  
History and any inferred wisdom is for idiots. We have American Idol to use for guidance now.

2010-02-10 3:30:45 PM  
Quick, somebody alert Dan Brown!

2010-02-10 3:33:22 PM  
The article gives the impression that without the Brits doing it, no one is doing it. If not, shut up. If so, then it's not desired, so shut up.

2010-02-10 3:35:39 PM  
I read that as palinography and was relieved that she had been lost.

2010-02-10 3:36:17 PM  

kombat_unit: History and any inferred wisdom is for idiots.


revisionism is the new god.

why learn history when you can create your own.

2010-02-10 3:36:21 PM  
Dry, dusty and shortly to be dead.

Sounds like me thesis protocol professor.

2010-02-10 3:37:05 PM  
Of course, if it's not making any money then out it goes.

2010-02-10 3:38:19 PM  
I fear that, in the future, we will only be able to speak in Memespeak, and paleography will be needed to read these comments.

2010-02-10 3:43:37 PM  

AbbeySomeone: I read that as palinography and was relieved that she had been lost.


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2010-02-10 3:43:42 PM  

AbbeySomeone: I read that as palinography and was relieved that she had been lost.


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2010-02-10 3:45:49 PM  
[image from palin4pres2012.com too old to be available]

Maybe that will finally put the freepers and teabaggers to rest then.

2010-02-10 3:46:15 PM  
Aziz! Light!

/won't need it for another 300 years

2010-02-10 3:52:00 PM  
Say what you will, I think the world needs people who can read this:

[image from biocrawler.com too old to be available]
(hotlinked)

2010-02-10 3:55:35 PM  

Rich Cream: The article gives the impression that without the Brits doing it, no one is doing it. If not, shut up. If so, then it's not desired, so shut up.


Well, this is an English newspaper. I do agree that the journalist should have put the news in a broader context, also because I'm curious. After all, this discipline is international by definition.

2010-02-10 3:57:19 PM  

BoojumSnark: Say what you will, I think the world needs people who can read this:


I'll transcribe it all for you:

A young man overheard some boys talking about a purple doughnut. He asks them what a purple doughnut is and they beat him up. Indignant, he goes to ask a teacher, and when he says "purple doughnut" the teacher beats him up too. Upset and frightened he runs home.

While crossing the street he is hit by a vehicle and dies. The moral of the story is look both ways before crossing the street.

2010-02-10 4:01:46 PM  

lukelightning: While crossing the street he is hit by a vehicle and dies. The moral of the story is look both ways before crossing the street.


So, so sooo very close. But not quite.

2010-02-10 4:04:34 PM  
Willing to trade Palin to save paleo. The latter is, by far, more important.

2010-02-10 4:09:21 PM  

lukelightning: I'll transcribe it all for you:

A young man overheard some boys talking about a purple doughnut. He asks them what a purple doughnut is and they beat him up. Indignant, he goes to ask a teacher, and when he says "purple doughnut" the teacher beats him up too. Upset and frightened he runs home.

While crossing the street he is hit by a vehicle and dies. The moral of the story is look both ways before crossing the street.


You skipped over the coda in the MS:

And the teacher's students replied: "Now we know!" And the teacher replied "And knowing is half the battle."

2010-02-10 4:13:07 PM  

BoojumSnark: Say what you will, I think the world needs people who can read this:


Hey, I can read this! Does that count?
cardinalfang.netView Full Size

/and could I have just a little peril?

2010-02-10 4:13:10 PM  
FTFA:
For some it includes major finds such as the Rosetta Stone, from which hieroglyphics were first decoded, and Linear B, the ancient Minoan script translated by Michael Ventris.

Not to nitpick, but the Linear B script was actually what the Mycenaeans used to write their archaic form of Greek. It was adapted by them after they conquered Crete from Linear A, which was what the Minoans actually used and which is still not deciphered.

Just happened to notice this because I'm researching a story about the Minoans. Ancient Crete would be popular with Farkers -- those Minoan women knew how to rock a bodice. (new window)

2010-02-10 4:21:10 PM  
There would be more students - but they all end up trying to translate the Necronomicon.

2010-02-10 4:21:14 PM  
For what it is worth, you can download a Linear B font for your computer.

/I have it
//plus 5 different Greek fonts and an Etruscan font
///ancient languages nerd

2010-02-10 4:24:16 PM  
Came to see if this passed the fark Irony panel.

How about this one: Is it Ironic that I the one who has to shovel the driveway after weeks of listening to the wife complain about not getting enough exercise in the winter?

2010-02-10 4:25:05 PM  
Pro Zack: There would be more students - but they all end up trying to translate the Necronomicon.

Clatto Verata N... Necktie... Neckturn... Nickel... It's an "N" word, it's definitely an "N" word! Clatto... Verata... N-
[coughs]

2010-02-10 4:25:59 PM  

Pro Zack: There would be more students - but they all end up trying to translate the Necronomicon.


It's a cookbook... NecroNOMNOMNOMicon.

2010-02-10 4:27:21 PM  
also, music needs paleographers, too:
digital.lib.cwu.eduView Full Size


And more:
Bach-y Linky

2010-02-10 4:40:26 PM  

BoojumSnark: also, music needs paleographers, too:


Translation:

Here's the story of a lovely lady
Who was bringing up three very lovely girls.
All of them had hair of gold, like their mother,
And all were burnt as witches.

2010-02-10 4:54:35 PM  
Now what the heck am I going to do with all the paleos i've been collecting?

2010-02-10 5:04:34 PM  

Aulus: For what it is worth, you can download a Linear B font for your computer.

/I have it
//plus 5 different Greek fonts and an Etruscan font
///ancient languages nerd


But have you downloaded the Voynich font?

Don't. It's entirely useless.
But please do, because it is very pretty.

2010-02-10 5:27:07 PM  
mrdano:

"Ancient Crete would be popular with Farkers -- those Minoan women knew how to rock a bodice. (new window)"

Several years ago, I was pleasantly surprised when my "Archaeology" magazine featured a series of photos of some hot chick dressed in a Minoan outfit. Can't seem to find the photos posted on the net.

2010-02-10 5:37:35 PM  

BoojumSnark: also, music needs paleographers, too:


And more:
Bach-y Linky


"A three-hour tour, A three-hour tour..."

2010-02-10 5:38:11 PM  

BoojumSnark: also, music needs paleographers, too:


And more:
Bach-y Linky


One of the coolest experiences of my life happened at the Library of Congress while viewing an exhibit of treasures from the Vatican Library. I'd just gotten to a massive illuminated hymnal from the middle ages when haunting monastic music started filling the air around me. It turned out that a Choir from St. Paul Mn, had been visiting the library and it just happened that their director was an expert at decoding medieval music, and about ten minutes earlier had been looking at the same book I was and managed to figure out the tune.

Thanks to the acoustics of the main rotunda with its dome, even though the choir was two floors down and 100 yards away from me they literally sounding like a disembodied voice coming from just behind my left shoulder. Though it all turned out to have a perfectly rational explanation I'll never forget those first few minutes before I figured out just what the hell was going on.

2010-02-10 5:50:50 PM  

Magorn: cool story bro.


You might even call it a religious experience.

2010-02-10 6:01:35 PM  
So sad. Paleontologists also belong to a dying species...

/what?

2010-02-10 6:05:30 PM  
A couple of years ago I was hiking in the Van region, looking for Urartian castles. The keeper at Cavustepe was this ancient man who had started at the excavation when he was a teenager. As the script was slowly deciphered, the excavators taught him the symbols. He can barely read or write his own language, but he is one of the few people on earth who know the Urartian syllabary and can write words using it.

2010-02-10 6:31:23 PM  

rmz: tag


Subby's headline referring to irony did NOT get paired with the ironic tag...

2010-02-10 7:29:52 PM  

lukelightning: BoojumSnark: also, music needs paleographers, too:

Translation:

Here's the story of a lovely lady
Who was bringing up three very lovely girls.
All of them had hair of gold, like their mother,
And all were burnt as witches.


You, Sir, made me laugh!

/She turned me ino a newt!
//I got better...

2010-02-10 7:35:37 PM  

BoojumSnark: Say what you will, I think the world needs people who can read this:


Agreed. I wish I could, I wish I could..

Ilmarinen: Well, this is an English newspaper. I do agree that the journalist should have put the news in a broader context, also because I'm curious. After all, this discipline is international by definition.


The facebook group has a bit more information.

mrdano: Not to nitpick, but the Linear B script was actually what the Mycenaeans used to write their archaic form of Greek. It was adapted by them after they conquered Crete from Linear A, which was what the Minoans actually used and which is still not deciphered.


I think I love you. Offhand, do you (or anybody else, since it doesn't sound like it's your focus) know if there are any (cheap, available to the public) collections of Linear A at which one could take a gander? I'm also always looking for a compilation of Cleopatra's tests and notes on toxins, but I'm not holding my breath there.

Aulus: ///ancient languages nerd


I think I love you too.

wyrlss: But have you downloaded the Voynich font?


There exists one? Isn't that kind of .. you know, odd, considering .. oh, I see. Well, then. You're right about the useless thing.

/wanted to do linguistics/archaeology after physics got tedious
//stupid life

2010-02-10 9:43:13 PM  
nb.t t3.wy 'nkh.ti rnp.ti dj.t nhh:
I think I love you. Offhand, do you (or anybody else, since it doesn't sound like it's your focus) know if there are any (cheap, available to the public) collections of Linear A at which one could take a gander?


Unfortunately, no. There are some books out there, like this one (new window), that have some pictures of artifacts.


Straelbora:
Several years ago, I was pleasantly surprised when my "Archaeology" magazine featured a series of photos of some hot chick dressed in a Minoan outfit. Can't seem to find the photos posted on the net.


Yowsa, now I have to find them.



2010-02-10 10:14:33 PM  

mrdano: Unfortunately, no. There are some books out there, like this one (new window), that have some pictures of artifacts.


I more meant a book or something, so, yes, that actually looks really good. I'd love to see things first-hand, but I don't have the budget for that sort of thing. Otherwise I'd be off gallivanting around the planet getting dirty :)

/still hope to someday
//it's not likely, but a girl can dream

2010-02-11 12:17:46 AM  
Thank you, Son of Thunder. This is a pretty obvious problem of universities interacting with governments. I blame physics. Physics needs big machines... 6000 gallon vats of liquid hydrogen, etc. Universities couldn't have paid for it, but the government did, because they got weapons. And, like Goldman Sachs, once you have an operating budget of the department calculated in the hundreds of millions, making $120,000 seems trivial. But what do you need to run a math department? Nothing. Palaeography? Very little (unless you need to conserve manuscripts). But the adminstration of the university looks at who got the biggest grants and assumes those people must be important. A lot of good work can be done cheaply. Note that they did not cut the archaeological expeditions which get government grants. Paradoxically, they're willing to pay for people to crate items out of the ground but never to study these objects or communicate their findings. We're in a bad way. (And I don't begrudge the physicists their machines.)

2010-02-11 4:46:48 AM  
The article seems to be deliberately misleading. British universities aren't losing their last paleographer, as the article's title claims. They're losing the last paleography chair, specifically titled as such. They author qualifies his statements at times in the text, but the overall thrust of the article is to suggest that paleography is being brought to a halt. Paleography is not about to become a lost art.

2010-02-11 4:53:33 AM  

Aulus: For what it is worth, you can download a Linear B font for your computer.

/I have it
//plus 5 different Greek fonts and an Etruscan font
///ancient languages nerd


Didn't know there were other ancient language fans on fark. Where do you get all the fonts?

2010-02-11 5:45:45 AM  
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And what about the important knowledge hidden in this?

2010-02-11 6:02:04 AM  

BoojumSnark: Say what you will, I think the world needs people who can read this:


(hotlinked)


"Heere bigynneth Chaucers tale of Melebeus"...

The loss of paleography is really sad.
 
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