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(Oregon Live)   Tenured Econ Prof confronts FBI Informant for creating a cabal of students on campus oriented toward violence. Professor is suspended with pay and everybody lawyers up. Then things get weird   (oregonlive.com) divider line
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2010-02-07 6:00:18 AM  
justoneznot
Ok check this out... first, go to Google's cached page of PSU's Student Veteran Association's about us page (new window). You will see him listed as the treasurer, along with his e-mail address. Now, go to the actual page (new window) today and see that he has been replaced and it no longer lists his name or e-maill address. It has been replaced within the last 10 days because the Google cache page is from Jan 25.

You are a better investigative reporter than the entire newspaper industry put together.
 
2010-02-07 6:06:30 AM  
TINC.

/obscure anyone?
 
2010-02-07 7:34:44 AM  
Someone needs to check the water in Portland.
 
2010-02-07 9:24:52 AM  
It's hard to apply Occam's razor to this hairy knot of weirdness, but I'm going to go with "tinfoil-hatted professor takes seriously nutbag special-forces-wannabe's boasts of connections.
 
2010-02-07 9:25:43 AM  
Suppose Bucharest had had an Arab name?

Discuss.
 
2010-02-07 10:18:22 AM  
He is the founder of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH)

NARTH!

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2010-02-07 10:25:27 AM  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLCrlWXv1x8&feature=player_embedded#

he speaks.
 
2010-02-07 10:31:37 AM  
I get more of a walter mitty vibe from the guy than anything.
 
2010-02-07 11:04:29 AM  
I can't believe no one's brought up the Nimbus Dam plot yet. Zach sounds a lot like "Anna".

I'm not making an argument about Eric McDavid's guilt or innocence, just saying the FBI still does things like what the professor accuses.
 
2010-02-07 11:12:08 AM  
I've had people declare that I was an undercover police officer.

Once, by a black kid who was standing outside of a 7-11 in downtown Denver. I walked into the place and got a cup of coffee (no doughnut -- I swear) and then I walked out and the kid started yelling, "HELLO, OFFICER! ARE YOU HAVING A NICE NIGHT, OFFICER?" over and over.

Another time was in Lincoln, Nebraska. I walked into a bar looking for a friend. The place was packed with young white yuppie-types. Then one guy decides to impress his friends by yelling, "HELLO, OFFICER!" to me.

Nope, I'm not a cop and never have been, bt I'll bet both of those guys love to tell their buddies awesome stories about their mad street-skillz and tremendous heroism in the face of The Man.
 
2010-02-07 11:34:33 AM  

srhp29: CaptainFatass: So...you're siding with the guy who tried to incite violence on campus

Where in the article did it say he was telling people to get violent. Some people are fascinated with bombs and guns...It said he told them how to make a molitov cocktail. It doesn't say he told them they should make one and use it to kill anyone, does it?

Do you really think the best course of action if you really think someone is capable of going apeshiat violent to confront them in a classroom full of people...especially if you know they often carry a weapon?

Sorry, but to me this sounds more like nutty professor reading too much into it than it does this guy was an FBI Informant out to get people to kill others.

If that makes me a CIA Schill...well I guess the bloody sock fits.


See I actually agree with this. I'm not going to call the Mythbusters terrorists. I love watching what happens when someone says "fire in the hole." "All Clear" is pretty cool too. Shooting a gun at a safe target is a helluva lot of fun.
 
2010-02-07 11:37:28 AM  

savage_world: I've had people declare that I was an undercover police officer.

Once, by a black kid who was standing outside of a 7-11 in downtown Denver. I walked into the place and got a cup of coffee (no doughnut -- I swear) and then I walked out and the kid started yelling, "HELLO, OFFICER! ARE YOU HAVING A NICE NIGHT, OFFICER?" over and over.

Another time was in Lincoln, Nebraska. I walked into a bar looking for a friend. The place was packed with young white yuppie-types. Then one guy decides to impress his friends by yelling, "HELLO, OFFICER!" to me.

Nope, I'm not a cop and never have been, bt I'll bet both of those guys love to tell their buddies awesome stories about their mad street-skillz and tremendous heroism in the face of The Man.


You should have punched the guy in the face, then started yelling "police brutality, police brutality, biatch!"
 
2010-02-07 11:39:48 AM  

roflmaonow: Had a roommate once who was a chronic pot smoker and once in his pot induced haze came to my room and told me that he has a secret that I should not tell anyone. He went on to say that he worked for the FBI and has samurai swords in his closet, if I was ever to mention of this I would be beheaded.


Did he tell you this around or after October 2001? (new window)
 
2010-02-07 12:15:37 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: You should have punched the guy in the face, then started yelling "police brutality, police brutality, biatch!"


Ha! whop! whop! "That's Officer Savage, precinct 3, beeyotch!" whop! whop! "Make sure you farking spell it right on the complaint, asshole!" whop! whop!

(later) "I'm here to file a complaint - mean old Officer Savage beat the crap out of me!"

"Who the fark is Officer Savage?"
 
2010-02-07 2:11:00 PM  

srhp29: SuperCatBarf: That said, if I went to one and some guy was offering instruction on making incendiaries and deals on weapons, I'd report it.

You would report it to your Econ prof?



Let me put it this way.

I'm a teacher. If one of my students was talking about making bombs and purchasing illegal firearms and he was also carrying firearms in my classroom, and if his classmates knew about it, I would most definitely want them to tell me.

I would not respond the same way that Prof. Hall did (mostly for the safety of my students), but I would definitely want to know.

Hall might be paranoid, I don't know. That doesn't mean that Bucharest is sane or safe to be around. It is possible that Hall is crazy. It is possible that Bucharest is crazy. It is even possible that both of them are crazy, so finding that one of them is crazy does not excuse the other.
 
2010-02-07 2:28:38 PM  

xuanzhiyouxuan: loonatic112358: also, what would have happened if someone screened, what is the frequency kenneth?

Exactly, the professor should have done some basic counter-surveillance and possibly a sting along the opposite lines of what erehwon was suggesting. At the very least some kind of device to jam kenneth bucharest's frequency (I'm thinking vintage marconi transmitter, you know, with the nice varnished wood and brass bits). Then confront the student and hand him the packet.


the reference, you do not get
 
2010-02-07 2:43:15 PM  

loonatic112358: sithon: I don't know about FBI informant but something was up with that guy. maybe dominionist or terrorist trying to recruit from impressionable youth.

that or pot user who was worried about being narced out


In Portland, cops wont arrest you or even take you weed from you if it's less than an ounce.

Next theory?
 
2010-02-07 3:34:17 PM  

loonatic112358: the reference, you do not get


Of course I do, it's one of my favorite media celebrity-related stories of all time. I was just riffing and drunk.
 
2010-02-07 8:44:43 PM  
After reading the story, the comments there, this thread, and the most excellent FARK-based research (the guy's youtube profile, video of his speech) I gotta say he's sketch. Real sketch. Who talks of revolution but without the emotion that always comes with the anti-corporate rhetoric. That was an act. He's not an activist, he's something else, but I'd hesitate at this point to declare exactly what. He's got his rhetoric down, but he's far too polished to just be some student grass-roots organizer or whatever.

I love the FARK-based researchers on these news stories, you guys totally make my day.
 
2010-02-08 12:51:27 AM  

plantae: After reading the story, the comments there, this thread, and the most excellent FARK-based research (the guy's youtube profile, video of his speech) I gotta say he's sketch. Real sketch. Who talks of revolution but without the emotion that always comes with the anti-corporate rhetoric. That was an act. He's not an activist, he's something else, but I'd hesitate at this point to declare exactly what. He's got his rhetoric down, but he's far too polished to just be some student grass-roots organizer or whatever.

I love the FARK-based researchers on these news stories, you guys totally make my day.



Claiming ties to campus police? IDF? Serbia of all farking places? Trying to show off molotov-coktail-making knowledge (as if that's some sort of complicated device) to random students? He's all over the place.

He's a badaass-wannabe or deluded nut who's not even clear on what side he's supposedly on; he just acts out his fantasy of being a badass of some sort or another-- the details of such delusions don't have to be self-consistent if you're suffering from schizophrenia or something of the sort, as it all seems to fit together perfectly logical and evident pattern in such a person's mind.

I wouldn't even be surprised if the professor confronted him privately first, and the nutjob warned the professor "Don't interfere with me-- I'm here on official FBI business". The professor, thinking back to his East Germany days (the Stasi really did have a mind-bogglingly extensive network of informants, many of them assigned to chacking up on each other) takes the guy seriously and decides to go public with the supposed knowledge.

Mr. Bucharest needs a psychiatric evaluation. The professor too perhaps.

An open question is to what degree did the guy believe his own bs-- was he completely deluded, or was he aware at some level that it was nonsense but couldn't resist an intense compulsion to seek attention?


Gyrfalcon: Look, they're both nuts, the students who didn't think the wacko student who was always talking about guns & bombs should have been at least MENTIONED to the cops are psycho, and all of you worried that wacko student might "really" have been COINTELPRO need to add another layer to your tinfoil hat before the cosmic mind rays get to you.

I find it most alarming that all the people who "knew" Zach Bucharest from Budapest or whatever was running around talking about the next Red uprising didn't seem to feel this warranted any kind of mention to the authorities. Because these are the same people who, after ol' Zach finally shot up his dorm or half the Poli-Sci class, were going to say "Oh, but he seemed like such a normal guy," or "OMG, we never saw it coming."

Meanwhile, all you flaky gun nuts here would be going on and on about how more should have been done, why couldn't he have been stopped, they should never have let him blah blah blah. Yeah, FINALLY one of these bozos got stopped (maybe) before it was too late...by accident...because his prof was crazier than him...and not because anyone who knew anything actually did something about it.



Pretty much this.
 
2010-02-08 1:04:52 AM  
as it all seems to fit together in a perfectly logical and evident pattern in such a person's mind.

ftfm
 
2010-02-09 10:19:59 AM  
It sounds like the Prof is having some PTSD style flashbacks to his student days at Berkeley or Cornell. Or he went of his meds. Either way, if you DID BELIEVE that Zach was everything the Prof believed he was, he handled it poorly.

I was the subby, FTW...
 
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