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(Oregon Live)   Tenured Econ Prof confronts FBI Informant for creating a cabal of students on campus oriented toward violence. Professor is suspended with pay and everybody lawyers up. Then things get weird   (oregonlive.com) divider line
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2010-02-06 11:30:17 PM  

arkansas: Zach Bucharest? Google seems to indicate he doesn't get on the internet much.

Very weird.


This. No Zach (or Zachary) Bucharest in the online White Pages, LinkedIn, Zabasearch or Facebook. The only Google search results are about the incident. That strikes me as odd.

By comparison, I have a presence on all those sites - admittedly its a small presence, but it is traceable. I show up about 38,000 times on a Google search, and I've led a very dull life.
 
2010-02-06 11:30:19 PM  
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How does this guy not get on everyone's nerves?
 
2010-02-06 11:31:31 PM  

Epiphany: Some people "obviously believe video games are dangerous", those people are mental, like this prof.


I'm not saying you're wrong. But wackos don't usually get tenure. It does happen, I'm sure, but not too often.

Personally, I'd like to know if one of my classmates is packing heat. It's just effin' weird. It's Portland. What's he afraid of? Owl attacks?
 
2010-02-06 11:32:00 PM  

Hector Remarkable: Zach Bucharest - totally his real name.


lol. You're right, that doesn't sound made up at all.
 
2010-02-06 11:32:41 PM  

TheyCallThisWork: I'm not saying you're wrong. But wackos don't usually get tenure. It does happen, I'm sure, but not too often.


This is Portland, where sexual deviants become Mayor. (not because he is gay A-holes)
 
2010-02-06 11:32:58 PM  
Sounds like somebody was hiiiiiigh that day
 
2010-02-06 11:34:38 PM  

7wolf: What kind of retard needs to be taught how to make a molotov cocktail anyway?


Dunno, all I know is to dissolve flamingo in gasoline until I can't dissolve more, put it in a bottle, put the cap on, tie a cloth soaked in gasoline around neck. Light it and throw.

Apparently this guy had a better way, or if you didn't know this you're a moron apparently.
 
2010-02-06 11:34:48 PM  
William Ayers was also a fine community organizer.
Amirite!
 
2010-02-06 11:34:58 PM  

TheyCallThisWork: Epiphany: Some people "obviously believe video games are dangerous", those people are mental, like this prof.

I'm not saying you're wrong. But wackos don't usually get tenure. It does happen, I'm sure, but not too often.

Personally, I'd like to know if one of my classmates is packing heat. It's just effin' weird. It's Portland. What's he afraid of? Owl attacks?


Since it hasn't been mentioned...

Does that state even have legal concealed carry?
 
2010-02-06 11:35:09 PM  

Gyrfalcon: So: Weird student liked to talk about bombs & guns, teach students how to make good Molotov cocktails and said he could get them AK's on the open market.

Weird prof confronts weird student in class saying student "was a killer and he had the "spirit of Cain and the spirit of Judas." Weird prof relates tales of his experience with spies in East Germany, then hands weird student "a packet to give to "his superiors."

Not so weird students say they'd been worried about weird student "for months" but didn't feel--in this post-9/11, post-VA Tech America--they should tell anyone except weird prof.
They're at PSU.

I think they ALL need their freaking heads examined!


FTFY
 
2010-02-06 11:35:13 PM  

WFern: Eh, it's not that unusual. Lotta older folks going back to school, especially with the recession.



Doesn't change the fact that everyone rolls their eyes and mumbles "old guy" under their breath.
 
2010-02-06 11:36:20 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Does that state even have legal concealed carry?


I believe so. A guy I work with has a license to carry concealed.
 
2010-02-06 11:37:11 PM  
I've never met the man, and don't know what his mental state is, but I think the professor went about this the wrong way. Confronting a student in class like that, bad move.

Having attended PSU as a student and worked there, I can understand his opinions about the administration and the bureaucracy, and may even share some of them. I definitely agree that they most likely would not have responded in a timely manner if he followed procedures to report his concerns about this student. In my experience, it's typical of academia; politics and red tape to the point of frustration.

I just have a couple of questions that I hope can be answered eventually. One: Why didn't he got to the local police? Two, why did the guy who was accused "lawyer up" and not make any public statements?
 
2010-02-06 11:37:43 PM  

Cold1s: 7wolf: What kind of retard needs to be taught how to make a molotov cocktail anyway?

Apparently the prof complained in the past, but was ignored.

He is either a nut case or the police there is ineffective or both.


Bucharest did show off a gun on campus. Most schools prohibit this kind of thing. I'm not anti gun, but who carries a gun to class?

He caused concern to other students as well,, but they went to the prof, not the cops.

/There's a good D20 modern campaign in here somewhere.


After VA Tech, I'd be more surprised who isn't carrying one, provided they're allowed to.

/Lives could've been saved that day by a permit holder.
 
2010-02-06 11:38:33 PM  

arkansas: Zach Bucharest? Google seems to indicate he doesn't get on the internet much.


He doesn't show up on a non-invasive DoD military record search, my 'who is this guy' button shows he has always lived in Portland, no other residence. His sister and brother have no prior service, his Dad is too old to show on the computerized DoD record. It's a real name, which I wasn't too sure of. No flags indicating LEO status.

I'm thinking 'nut'.

Although, I've got to be truthful, I've had professors ask me something similar even when they didn't know my background, due to the questions I asked in class.
 
2010-02-06 11:38:52 PM  

WolfinPDX: I just have a couple of questions that I hope can be answered eventually. One: Why didn't he got to the local police? Two, why did the guy who was accused "lawyer up" and not make any public statements?


One word; Lawsuit.
 
2010-02-06 11:38:54 PM  

WolfinPDX: wo, why did the guy who was accused "lawyer up" and not make any public statements?


Well, I would think if he is not what the guy says he is, he has a pretty solid slander case against the University. Dollar Dollar Bills.
 
2010-02-06 11:39:07 PM  

roflmaonow: Had a roommate once who was a chronic pot smoker and once in his pot induced haze came to my room and told me that he has a secret that I should not tell anyone. He went on to say that he worked for the FBI and has samurai swords in his closet, if I was ever to mention of this I would be beheaded.

All of his post pot hazes were entertaining.


This wasn't pot. Pot doesn't make you delusional. It might make it fun to fark with your roommate. Ok maybe it was pot. Were Doritos involved?

Re the article, if you get all scared by someone describing Molotov cocktails then you are stupid because anyone with a brain can already make those.
 
2010-02-06 11:40:02 PM  

eggrolls: arkansas: Zach Bucharest? Google seems to indicate he doesn't get on the internet much.

Very weird.

This. No Zach (or Zachary) Bucharest in the online White Pages, LinkedIn, Zabasearch or Facebook. The only Google search results are about the incident. That strikes me as odd.

By comparison, I have a presence on all those sites - admittedly its a small presence, but it is traceable. I show up about 38,000 times on a Google search, and I've led a very dull life.


Not really. If you were to google my real name you would get the same results. All it means is that he's been careful to keep that information off the web. I bet he uses a pseudonym online.
 
2010-02-06 11:40:06 PM  

WFern: I visited a family friend's house recently (former cop no less) and found he had a copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook. Not that I have any intent on making bombs or garrotes, but it was fascinating.


A lot of it is wrong. There are better books; AC can get your fingers blown off.
 
2010-02-06 11:40:16 PM  

Hector Remarkable: Zach Bucharest - totally his real name.


Better than Rusty Shackleford.
 
2010-02-06 11:41:09 PM  
As an economics major who is into international weapons non-proliferation, I'm getting a kick..
 
2010-02-06 11:41:17 PM  

platedlizard: I bet he uses a pseudonym online.


Wait, you can do that? (ha)

I just googled my name and got 3.2 million hits. I'm F'ing famous biatches.
 
2010-02-06 11:41:29 PM  

TheyCallThisWork: Personally, I'd like to know if one of my classmates is packing heat. It's just effin' weird. It's Portland. What's he afraid of? Owl attacks?


I'm sure they thought that in Virginia, too.
 
2010-02-06 11:42:05 PM  

spawn73: 7wolf: What kind of retard needs to be taught how to make a molotov cocktail anyway?



Oh btw. I shouldn't post this.

Now I am probably on some watchlist even though I never made a Molotov cocktail or intend too. :(
 
2010-02-06 11:42:10 PM  

erewhon: A lot of it is wrong. There are better books; AC can get your fingers blown off.


Doesn't surprise me, though I would never try it anyway. I'm not brave enough to try making TNT and, even if I did it successfully, I'd have no use for it.
 
2010-02-06 11:42:11 PM  

puffy999: But a clean-cut business-like white man

elected mayor? You could get away with raping a boyanyone in that town.

FTFY.
 
2010-02-06 11:42:15 PM  
Translation: You Are Farked.
 
2010-02-06 11:43:47 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Does that state even have legal concealed carry?


Only Wisconsin and Illinois do not.

Cold1s: Bucharest did show off a gun on campus. Most schools prohibit this kind of thing. I'm not anti gun, but who carries a gun to class?


I used to, but I sure as hell didn't tell anyone about it. It was legal, but against school regs.

Weaver95: i'm not so sure. from what I've heard from the more vocal radicals, they said that they could almost always tell who the FBI infiltrators were because they were the guys always pushing to blow shiat up.


See, this always sounds like confirmation bias to me.
 
2010-02-06 11:45:10 PM  
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2010-02-06 11:46:56 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Cold1s:
Bucharest did show off a gun on campus. Most schools prohibit this kind of thing. I'm not anti gun, but who carries a gun to class?

I used to. Legally.


Fish in a Barrel: ...Cold1s: Bucharest did show off a gun on campus. Most schools prohibit this kind of thing. I'm not anti gun, but who carries a gun to class?

I used to, but I sure as hell didn't tell anyone about it. It was legal, but against school regs...


May I ask why either of you did that? Not that I'm "against" it, but it seems odd to me. Did you feel a need to have it? Was your safety a legitimate concern?

Certainly it can be a person's right to do that, but it's also your right to wear a fruit hat to class, and I don't see anyone doing that.
 
2010-02-06 11:47:56 PM  

WFern: but it's also your right to wear a fruit hat to class


Also against school regs
 
2010-02-06 11:48:10 PM  

srhp29: Seung-Hui Cho


Or people who don't want to be a victim of the next Seung-Hui Cho.
 
2010-02-06 11:48:39 PM  
I have to say, I think if some prof went off like this (instead of, say, asking if I'd ever worked at Fort Detrick in a quiet, sincere voice like that microbiology prof), I'd have to go with the flow and say something like "Sir, I can neither confirm nor deny the accusation which you have made" with a deadpan face just to see if I could rev him up more.

If I had some inkling he was GOING to do this, I'd have prepared with a lot of personal info on the guy and toss out cryptic comments on anything reasonably private I could come up with in addition to the stoneface routine.

Nothing would be more fun than to see the guy come totally unglued.
 
2010-02-06 11:48:40 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: Satanic_Hamster: Does that state even have legal concealed carry?

Only Wisconsin and Illinois do not.


Ok, rephrase; Is it "practical" concealed carry/ Can anyone who can buy a gun get it?

For example, New Jersey and New York have concealed carry; but unless you're the brother-in-law of the local sheriff, fat chance of getting a permit.
 
2010-02-06 11:50:05 PM  
FloydA
discrete discreat

FTFY

/pet peeve


FloydA
I recall that Portland had a pretty substantial neo-NAZI skinhead population at one time- not sure how active that still is.

They still exist, but not as many as there once were, and they can't do anything openly. From what I can tell, the city is an Antifa success story for the most part.


WFern
I visited a family friend's house recently (former cop no less) and found he had a copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook. Not that I have any intent on making bombs or garrotes, but it was fascinating.

I'm far too scared to look that stuff up online though, for fear of being tagged or having my ISP logged on some government database.


A good chunk of the recipes in there either don't work or will get you killed outright, so don't bother.
 
2010-02-06 11:50:21 PM  

Story: Or people who don't want to be a victim of the next Seung-Hui Cho.


Yeah, I was making a joke...but I agree...Had Mr. Bucharest been in that classroom, Cho probably only gets off a few shots.

It's really not the people that show off carrying the gun at school that you have to worry about as much. It's the one's that bring them once and show you how they work.
 
2010-02-06 11:50:23 PM  

Weaver95: I wonder what led the professor to believe that the guy was an FBI informant in the first place?


My guess? LSD or extreme left or right wing paranoia.
 
2010-02-06 11:50:57 PM  
I'm more concerned about who put this guy in charge:
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2010-02-06 11:51:45 PM  

erewhon: I have to say, I think if some prof went off like this (instead of, say, asking if I'd ever worked at Fort Detrick in a quiet, sincere voice like that microbiology prof), I'd have to go with the flow and say something like "Sir, I can neither confirm nor deny the accusation which you have made" with a deadpan face just to see if I could rev him up more.

If I had some inkling he was GOING to do this, I'd have prepared with a lot of personal info on the guy and toss out cryptic comments on anything reasonably private I could come up with in addition to the stoneface routine.

Nothing would be more fun than to see the guy come totally unglued.


Now that would be funny.
 
2010-02-06 11:51:47 PM  

NannyStatePark: roflmaonow: Had a roommate once who was a chronic pot smoker and once in his pot induced haze came to my room and told me that he has a secret that I should not tell anyone. He went on to say that he worked for the FBI and has samurai swords in his closet, if I was ever to mention of this I would be beheaded.

All of his post pot hazes were entertaining.

This wasn't pot. Pot doesn't make you delusional. It might make it fun to fark with your roommate. Ok maybe it was pot. Were Doritos involved?



Well I don't know what drugs he was doing then, I always assumed it was pot since his eyes were bloodshot during those tirades.
 
2010-02-06 11:51:53 PM  

spawn73: Oh btw. I shouldn't post this.


Drew rightfully frowns on explosives manufacturing details, IIRC, even stuff you can get on the net.
 
2010-02-06 11:52:26 PM  
FloydA: "Yep. There are dominionists, as sithon mentioned"

In Portland? In what kind of numbers? I wanna see some sources. Besides, this kind of thing isn't their MO.
 
2010-02-06 11:52:59 PM  

platedlizard:
Not really. If you were to google my real name you would get the same results. All it means is that he's been careful to keep that information off the web. I bet he uses a pseudonym online.


Oh, really? Well, I just searched your name and got tons of hits - everything from image galleries to encyclopedia articles about you. You're not half as clever as you think, Mr. Lizard.
 
2010-02-06 11:53:32 PM  

xuanzhiyouxuan: WFern: but it's also your right to wear a fruit hat to class

Also against school regs


If wearing a fruit hat is wrong, I don't want to be right.
 
2010-02-06 11:53:38 PM  

WFern: May I ask why either of you did that? Not that I'm "against" it, but it seems odd to me. Did you feel a need to have it? Was your safety a legitimate concern?

Certainly it can be a person's right to do that, but it's also your right to wear a fruit hat to class, and I don't see anyone doing that.


To be honest? Mostly it was because I legally could. No one knew I did it, I didn't brag about it, I didn't behave like one of those jackasses who NEEDS to let EVERYONE know he's armed. Part of it was that I used to walk back from campus (3.5 miles) on the rear roads through the agg/farm extension of campus (2 miles less then walking on the main roads).

If I planned to go to lunch or dinner at some place that served alcohol, I'd drive to campus or leave the gun at home (Mike's and Souvlakis for the win!).
 
2010-02-06 11:53:45 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: I used to, but I sure as hell didn't tell anyone about it. It was legal, but against school regs.


And the showing off is the red flag. I have cop friends who pack all the time, but the piece is kept concealed out of sight and mind.

Douchery meets crazy and makes for an interesting show for the rest of us.
 
2010-02-06 11:56:21 PM  

Monty845: Molotov Cocktails - Hardly a secret how to make em

Assualt Rifles - Legal in much of the country, easily avaible

Machine Gun - BIG RED FLAG... assuming we are talking about a real machine gun, and assuming a student doesn't have $20k+ to get one legally, there is either something going on there, or someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.

 
2010-02-06 11:56:27 PM  

Elbarfo: I'm sure they thought that in Virginia, too.


I have no idea what you're trying to say.
 
2010-02-06 11:56:49 PM  

erewhon: I have to say, I think if some prof went off like this (instead of, say, asking if I'd ever worked at Fort Detrick in a quiet, sincere voice like that microbiology prof), I'd have to go with the flow and say something like "Sir, I can neither confirm nor deny the accusation which you have made" with a deadpan face just to see if I could rev him up more.

If I had some inkling he was GOING to do this, I'd have prepared with a lot of personal info on the guy and toss out cryptic comments on anything reasonably private I could come up with in addition to the stoneface routine.

Nothing would be more fun than to see the guy come totally unglued.


i would want to film that
 
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