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2010-02-06 6:29:02 PM  
I don't know about FBI informant but something was up with that guy. maybe dominionist or terrorist trying to recruit from impressionable youth.
 
2010-02-06 7:31:20 PM  
That's disturbing.

From the sound of it, the prof mishandled the situation dreadfully. If he was concerned for students' (or his own) safety, he should have gone to the cops.

If the student was really bringing concealed firearms to campus and talking to others about Molotov cocktails and automatic weapons, then he was a legitimate threat. Even if it was just "tough guy" BS, it merits investigation.

I doubt that the student was an FBI informant; probably just some crazy, but crazies are dangerous.
 
2010-02-06 8:25:01 PM  

FloydA: That's disturbing.

From the sound of it, the prof mishandled the situation dreadfully. If he was concerned for students' (or his own) safety, he should have gone to the cops.

If the student was really bringing concealed firearms to campus and talking to others about Molotov cocktails and automatic weapons, then he was a legitimate threat. Even if it was just "tough guy" BS, it merits investigation.

I doubt that the student was an FBI informant; probably just some crazy, but crazies are dangerous.


There were many cases in the 60s of the FBI and local police departments sending in undercover agents to infiltrate student groups and try to influence them to commit acts of violence so they could be arrested. If the professor truly believed the student was an undercover agent then going through the proper chain of command would have been useless..... by going public in front of a large group of people he virtually assured that the guy's cover was blown.

Sure, he might have harmed his career if he's proved wrong but he did it in a non-violent way and no one will suffer except himself. Wish we had more people who were willing to make self-sacrfices for personal freedom and liberty.
 
2010-02-06 8:35:51 PM  
I wonder what led the professor to believe that the guy was an FBI informant in the first place?
 
2010-02-06 8:51:08 PM  

Arthur Jumbles:

There were many cases in the 60s of the FBI and local police departments sending in undercover agents to infiltrate student groups and try to influence them to commit acts of violence so they could be arrested.



There were, and I'm reasonably sure that the prof was thinking about COINTELPRO agents provocateur. I just am skeptical that he's correct. From the article, the student sounds far less discrete than I expect an agent provocateur would have to be.

A good agent doesn't show his weapon and start blathering about bomb-making to random classmates without first figuring out their sympathies. That sounds more like the actions of a nut case to me.

If the professor truly believed the student was an undercover agent then going through the proper chain of command would have been useless..... by going public in front of a large group of people he virtually assured that the guy's cover was blown.


Fair point. I don't know enough about Portland PD to know for sure. I've heard some unpleasant things, but nothing that would suggest they would ignore a likely threat to public safety.

Sure, he might have harmed his career if he's proved wrong but he did it in a non-violent way and no one will suffer except himself. Wish we had more people who were willing to make self-sacrfices for personal freedom and liberty.

Agreed.
 
2010-02-06 8:53:17 PM  

FloydA: There were, and I'm reasonably sure that the prof was thinking about COINTELPRO agents provocateur. I just am skeptical that he's correct. From the article, the student sounds far less discrete than I expect an agent provocateur would have to be.


i'm not so sure. from what I've heard from the more vocal radicals, they said that they could almost always tell who the FBI infiltrators were because they were the guys always pushing to blow shiat up.
 
2010-02-06 8:59:28 PM  

Weaver95:

i'm not so sure. from what I've heard from the more vocal radicals, they said that they could almost always tell who the FBI infiltrators were because they were the guys always pushing to blow shiat up.


Good point. That might answer your earlier question about what made the prof think the student was FBI.


/Full disclosure, I have friends and relatives that work there, so my opinions may be biased.
 
2010-02-06 9:01:18 PM  

FloydA: Fair point. I don't know enough about Portland PD to know for sure. I've heard some unpleasant things, but nothing that would suggest they would ignore a likely threat to public safety.


It depends on the appearance of the person. A racial minority? No farking way. A hippy/bum looking white guy? No way. A drunk? Nope.
But a clean-cut business-like white man? You could get away with raping a boy in that town.

/only applicable to the police
//the city council and many civic organizations are far less trusting of a clean-cut white guy, and more trusting of the other aforementioned groups
 
2010-02-06 9:02:24 PM  
Zach Bucharest? Google seems to indicate he doesn't get on the internet much.

Very weird.
 
2010-02-06 9:04:39 PM  

FloydA: Good point. That might answer your earlier question about what made the prof think the student was FBI.


I thought about that, but there is always the possibility of a few real nutballs out there who really ARE trying to form an army of fellow loonies.
 
2010-02-06 9:09:39 PM  

Weaver95: but there is always the possibility of a few real nutballs out there who really ARE trying to form an army of fellow loonies.


Dominionists
 
2010-02-06 9:21:23 PM  

Weaver95:

I thought about that, but there is always the possibility of a few real nutballs out there who really ARE trying to form an army of fellow loonies.


Yep. There are dominionists, as sithon mentioned, and I recall that Portland had a pretty substantial neo-NAZI skinhead population at one time- not sure how active that still is.

It could be (assuming the student really did what he's accused of doing) that he's a member of any one of those.

I'm just speculating, because I don't know that prof, but if he's of the Baby Boom generation, he might just have jumped to the conclusion that any student waving guns and talking about bombs must be an undercover Feeb because "that's how it was back in the 60s," as you mentioned.

I don't know. The article is understandably sparse on details, so I guess I'll have to wait until I hear more about the case before I come to a conclusion.
 
2010-02-06 9:28:01 PM  
So, is the 30-year-old student an FBI informant or what?
 
2010-02-06 9:30:01 PM  

Fellows: So, is the 30-year-old student an FBI informant or what?


we'll probably never know for sure.
 
2010-02-06 11:04:46 PM  
Well it IS Portland State U. If there ever was a liberal version of the absurdity and plain good old fashioned crazy that teabaggers embody, PSU would fit the bill like a glove.
 
2010-02-06 11:05:15 PM  

Weaver95: Fellows: So, is the 30-year-old student an FBI informant or what?

we'll probably never know for sure.


You are right. I just don't know why the FBI would want to teach economics majors how to make explosives. There may be a reason, but I don't see it.

/The prof seems to have had a bad experience in East Germany that may make him unlikely to go to the police
//The student seems to have some dangerous hobbies for an economist
 
2010-02-06 11:05:46 PM  
What kind of retard needs to be taught how to make a molotov cocktail anyway?
 
2010-02-06 11:07:02 PM  

sithon: I don't know about FBI informant but something was up with that guy. maybe dominionist or terrorist trying to recruit from impressionable youth.


Much more likely: dumb bastard who likes guns too much and blowing shiat up.
 
2010-02-06 11:10:41 PM  
Can I find the things he was "teaching" them on the internet? (Not the teacher..."the informant")

Surely doing a google search I can find pretty solid instructions on how to make a fire bomb...or I could probably figure it out on my own too.

Also, is it really that wild that someone would know someone who had access to guns?

This teacher sounds like he let his imagination get away from him.

Of course there is the possibility he was right too, but not likely considering how open the student apparently was in regards to what he was telling people.
 
2010-02-06 11:10:53 PM  
Even if the guy was an informant, calling him out in the middle of class was not the way to go. Both for his own dignity and for the possibility that his assumption could be very wrong.

/Has a brother attending PSU
//Might ask him if he's heard anything about this
 
2010-02-06 11:12:12 PM  

sithon: I don't know about FBI informant but something was up with that guy. maybe dominionist or terrorist trying to recruit from impressionable youth.


that or pot user who was worried about being narced out
 
2010-02-06 11:12:35 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: FloydA: That's disturbing.

From the sound of it, the prof mishandled the situation dreadfully. If he was concerned for students' (or his own) safety, he should have gone to the cops.

If the student was really bringing concealed firearms to campus and talking to others about Molotov cocktails and automatic weapons, then he was a legitimate threat. Even if it was just "tough guy" BS, it merits investigation.

I doubt that the student was an FBI informant; probably just some crazy, but crazies are dangerous.

There were many cases in the 60s of the FBI and local police departments sending in undercover agents to infiltrate student groups and try to influence them to commit acts of violence so they could be arrested. If the professor truly believed the student was an undercover agent then going through the proper chain of command would have been useless..... by going public in front of a large group of people he virtually assured that the guy's cover was blown.

Sure, he might have harmed his career if he's proved wrong but he did it in a non-violent way and no one will suffer except himself. Wish we had more people who were willing to make self-sacrfices for personal freedom and liberty.


FloydA: Weaver95:

i'm not so sure. from what I've heard from the more vocal radicals, they said that they could almost always tell who the FBI infiltrators were because they were the guys always pushing to blow shiat up.

Good point. That might answer your earlier question about what made the prof think the student was FBI.


/Full disclosure, I have friends and relatives that work there, so my opinions may be biased.


You two, and this professor:
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2010-02-06 11:13:05 PM  

srhp29: Can I find the things he was "teaching" them on the internet? (Not the teacher..."the informant")

Surely doing a google search I can find pretty solid instructions on how to make a fire bomb...or I could probably figure it out on my own too.

Also, is it really that wild that someone would know someone who had access to guns?

This teacher sounds like he let his imagination get away from him.

Of course there is the possibility he was right too, but not likely considering how open the student apparently was in regards to what he was telling people.


I visited a family friend's house recently (former cop no less) and found he had a copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook. Not that I have any intent on making bombs or garrotes, but it was fascinating.

I'm far too scared to look that stuff up online though, for fear of being tagged or having my ISP logged on some government database.
 
2010-02-06 11:14:38 PM  
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2010-02-06 11:14:58 PM  
This part jumped out at me:


Dreier said Bucharest also offered to act as a middleman to help students buy military style rifles -- AR-15s or AK-47s -- through a gun dealer he knew in Washington and that he had access to machine guns.


Fully-automatic weapons are legal in Oregon - you can buy them at gun shops there. They are illegal in Washington - period.

Offering to help a bunch of Oregonians buy machine guns from a dealer in Washington is roughly like telling your friends who live in Las Vegas that you know of this awesome underground poker room in Utah.
 
2010-02-06 11:15:55 PM  

srhp29: Also, is it really that wild that someone would know someone who had access to guns?

This teacher sounds like he let his imagination get away from him.

Of course there is the possibility he was right too, but not likely considering how open the student apparently was in regards to what he was telling people.


Exactly. I know two guys who say this stuff all the time. Both are what one might describe as "gun enthusiasts." One has said numerous times that he can acquire illegal weapons from various sources, but in all honesty he's totally harmless.

What this sounds like is that Bucharest made a series of silly boasts to his classmates, they took him more seriously than he was perhaps worth (otoh, maybe not), and the professor did the same.
 
2010-02-06 11:16:02 PM  

Weaver95: Fellows: So, is the 30-year-old student an FBI informant or what?

we'll probably never know for sure.


I think, more then likely, the prof is batshiat crazy.
 
2010-02-06 11:16:45 PM  
Awesome. I've been waiting for this to hit Fark. My friend is in this class.
 
2010-02-06 11:17:07 PM  

7wolf: What kind of retard needs to be taught how to make a molotov cocktail anyway?


Apparently the prof complained in the past, but was ignored.

He is either a nut case or the police there is ineffective or both.


Bucharest did show off a gun on campus. Most schools prohibit this kind of thing. I'm not anti gun, but who carries a gun to class?

He caused concern to other students as well,, but they went to the prof, not the cops.

/There's a good D20 modern campaign in here somewhere.
 
2010-02-06 11:17:09 PM  
Must be something in the water because it appears there's a whole lot of crazy on that campus... was there ever a mercury spill into the water system?

Not enough info to tell, but it sounds like the student is wannabee of some kind. The type who brags about law enforcement contacts, being a Navy SEAL or CIA agent and the Professor is just an idiot. If the guy really is a violent gun nut, confronting him in class like this is really, REALLY, DUMB!

Good luck trying to figure this one out. I'm just glad I don't have to deal with any of them.
 
2010-02-06 11:18:34 PM  
Molotov Cocktails - Hardly a secret how to make em

Assualt Rifles - Legal in much of the country, easily avaible

Machine Gun - BIG RED FLAG... assuming we are talking about a real machine gun, and assuming a student doesn't have $20k+ to get one legally, there is either something going on there, or someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.
 
2010-02-06 11:18:42 PM  
Feeble attempt on the part of the PTB to create agents provocateurs?
 
2010-02-06 11:19:00 PM  
He could be FBI looking to infiltrate "eco-terrorists."
 
2010-02-06 11:19:12 PM  
So: Weird student liked to talk about bombs & guns, teach students how to make good Molotov cocktails and said he could get them AK's on the open market.

Weird prof confronts weird student in class saying student "was a killer and he had the "spirit of Cain and the spirit of Judas." Weird prof relates tales of his experience with spies in East Germany, then hands weird student "a packet to give to "his superiors."

Not so weird students say they'd been worried about weird student "for months" but didn't feel--in this post-9/11, post-VA Tech America--they should tell anyone except weird prof.

I think they ALL need their freaking heads examined!
 
2010-02-06 11:20:07 PM  
Did you guys notice that this Zach Bucharest dude is 30? And he's in some undergrad econ class?

A thirty-year-old on campus is like people repellent. Nobody has anything to do with "returning" students except for other returning students.

His handler would have to be an idiot to think a guy like that could make inroads among college radicals. I find it highly unlikely that he was working for the gov't.

That being said, if the Prof. honestly thought the guy was dangerous, he did the right thing, and I bet he's willing to live with the consequences. I hope all the kids that got him involved will be willing to take the stand in his defense.
 
2010-02-06 11:20:47 PM  
sure sounds like an agent provocateur to me
 
2010-02-06 11:21:31 PM  
Cold1s:
Bucharest did show off a gun on campus. Most schools prohibit this kind of thing. I'm not anti gun, but who carries a gun to class?

I used to. Legally.
 
2010-02-06 11:21:56 PM  

Cold1s: Apparently the prof complained in the past, but was ignored.


He didn't complain about that kid in the past, but other things. Things that the administration didn't "follow up on". Which leads me to believe the Prof is a farking nutbag, along with calling out some 30 year old "tough guy boasting" student for being an FBI informant.
 
2010-02-06 11:23:15 PM  

TheyCallThisWork: if the Prof. honestly thought the guy was dangerous


Some people "obviously believe video games are dangerous", those people are mental, like this prof.
 
2010-02-06 11:23:23 PM  
Had a roommate once who was a chronic pot smoker and once in his pot induced haze came to my room and told me that he has a secret that I should not tell anyone. He went on to say that he worked for the FBI and has samurai swords in his closet, if I was ever to mention of this I would be beheaded.

All of his post pot hazes were entertaining.
 
2010-02-06 11:23:32 PM  

TheyCallThisWork: Did you guys notice that this Zach Bucharest dude is 30? And he's in some undergrad econ class?

A thirty-year-old on campus is like people repellent. Nobody has anything to do with "returning" students except for other returning students.

His handler would have to be an idiot to think a guy like that could make inroads among college radicals. I find it highly unlikely that he was working for the gov't.

That being said, if the Prof. honestly thought the guy was dangerous, he did the right thing, and I bet he's willing to live with the consequences. I hope all the kids that got him involved will be willing to take the stand in his defense.


Eh, it's not that unusual. Lotta older folks going back to school, especially with the recession.

A 30-year-old also might seem like he has better connections or knowledge of where to acquire guns.
 
2010-02-06 11:24:31 PM  
Fully automatic weapons are not legal in Multinomah county though. Well they are, but the Sheriff is against them

http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/stories/2002/04/01/story4.html
 
2010-02-06 11:26:02 PM  
Zach Bucharest - totally his real name.
 
2010-02-06 11:26:17 PM  
Sure sounds like paranoia to me.
 
2010-02-06 11:26:36 PM  
We need to find out what was in the packet!!! Seriously.
 
2010-02-06 11:27:06 PM  
This has student-professor gay relationship written all over it.
 
2010-02-06 11:28:11 PM  

roflmaonow: Had a roommate once who was a chronic pot smoker and once in his pot induced haze came to my room and told me that he has a secret that I should not tell anyone. He went on to say that he worked for the FBI and has samurai swords in his closet, if I was ever to mention of this I would be beheaded.

All of his post pot hazes were entertaining.


That doesn't sound like pot. Are you an agent provocateur too?
 
2010-02-06 11:28:12 PM  

Cold1s: Most schools prohibit this kind of thing. I'm not anti gun, but who carries a gun to class?


Seung-Hui Cho?
 
2010-02-06 11:28:31 PM  

Weaver95: i'm not so sure. from what I've heard from the more vocal radicals, they said that they could almost always tell who the FBI infiltrators were because they were the guys always pushing to blow shiat up.


I've known several pretty hardcore anti-war folk who were in the movement, as they say. I've also heard this several times.

The student's ties to campus police may have something to do with the suspicions, maybe.

Satanic_Hamster: I think, more then likely, the prof is batshiat crazy.


or that could very well be true. hard tellin
 
2010-02-06 11:29:34 PM  
I'd like to know what was in the envelope and if it will be used in court as evidence.
 
2010-02-06 11:30:17 PM  

arkansas: Zach Bucharest? Google seems to indicate he doesn't get on the internet much.

Very weird.


This. No Zach (or Zachary) Bucharest in the online White Pages, LinkedIn, Zabasearch or Facebook. The only Google search results are about the incident. That strikes me as odd.

By comparison, I have a presence on all those sites - admittedly its a small presence, but it is traceable. I show up about 38,000 times on a Google search, and I've led a very dull life.
 
2010-02-06 11:30:19 PM  
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How does this guy not get on everyone's nerves?
 
2010-02-06 11:31:31 PM  

Epiphany: Some people "obviously believe video games are dangerous", those people are mental, like this prof.


I'm not saying you're wrong. But wackos don't usually get tenure. It does happen, I'm sure, but not too often.

Personally, I'd like to know if one of my classmates is packing heat. It's just effin' weird. It's Portland. What's he afraid of? Owl attacks?
 
2010-02-06 11:32:00 PM  

Hector Remarkable: Zach Bucharest - totally his real name.


lol. You're right, that doesn't sound made up at all.
 
2010-02-06 11:32:41 PM  

TheyCallThisWork: I'm not saying you're wrong. But wackos don't usually get tenure. It does happen, I'm sure, but not too often.


This is Portland, where sexual deviants become Mayor. (not because he is gay A-holes)
 
2010-02-06 11:32:58 PM  
Sounds like somebody was hiiiiiigh that day
 
2010-02-06 11:34:38 PM  

7wolf: What kind of retard needs to be taught how to make a molotov cocktail anyway?


Dunno, all I know is to dissolve flamingo in gasoline until I can't dissolve more, put it in a bottle, put the cap on, tie a cloth soaked in gasoline around neck. Light it and throw.

Apparently this guy had a better way, or if you didn't know this you're a moron apparently.
 
2010-02-06 11:34:48 PM  
William Ayers was also a fine community organizer.
Amirite!
 
2010-02-06 11:34:58 PM  

TheyCallThisWork: Epiphany: Some people "obviously believe video games are dangerous", those people are mental, like this prof.

I'm not saying you're wrong. But wackos don't usually get tenure. It does happen, I'm sure, but not too often.

Personally, I'd like to know if one of my classmates is packing heat. It's just effin' weird. It's Portland. What's he afraid of? Owl attacks?


Since it hasn't been mentioned...

Does that state even have legal concealed carry?
 
2010-02-06 11:35:09 PM  

Gyrfalcon: So: Weird student liked to talk about bombs & guns, teach students how to make good Molotov cocktails and said he could get them AK's on the open market.

Weird prof confronts weird student in class saying student "was a killer and he had the "spirit of Cain and the spirit of Judas." Weird prof relates tales of his experience with spies in East Germany, then hands weird student "a packet to give to "his superiors."

Not so weird students say they'd been worried about weird student "for months" but didn't feel--in this post-9/11, post-VA Tech America--they should tell anyone except weird prof.
They're at PSU.

I think they ALL need their freaking heads examined!


FTFY
 
2010-02-06 11:35:13 PM  

WFern: Eh, it's not that unusual. Lotta older folks going back to school, especially with the recession.



Doesn't change the fact that everyone rolls their eyes and mumbles "old guy" under their breath.
 
2010-02-06 11:36:20 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Does that state even have legal concealed carry?


I believe so. A guy I work with has a license to carry concealed.
 
2010-02-06 11:37:11 PM  
I've never met the man, and don't know what his mental state is, but I think the professor went about this the wrong way. Confronting a student in class like that, bad move.

Having attended PSU as a student and worked there, I can understand his opinions about the administration and the bureaucracy, and may even share some of them. I definitely agree that they most likely would not have responded in a timely manner if he followed procedures to report his concerns about this student. In my experience, it's typical of academia; politics and red tape to the point of frustration.

I just have a couple of questions that I hope can be answered eventually. One: Why didn't he got to the local police? Two, why did the guy who was accused "lawyer up" and not make any public statements?
 
2010-02-06 11:37:43 PM  

Cold1s: 7wolf: What kind of retard needs to be taught how to make a molotov cocktail anyway?

Apparently the prof complained in the past, but was ignored.

He is either a nut case or the police there is ineffective or both.


Bucharest did show off a gun on campus. Most schools prohibit this kind of thing. I'm not anti gun, but who carries a gun to class?

He caused concern to other students as well,, but they went to the prof, not the cops.

/There's a good D20 modern campaign in here somewhere.


After VA Tech, I'd be more surprised who isn't carrying one, provided they're allowed to.

/Lives could've been saved that day by a permit holder.
 
2010-02-06 11:38:33 PM  

arkansas: Zach Bucharest? Google seems to indicate he doesn't get on the internet much.


He doesn't show up on a non-invasive DoD military record search, my 'who is this guy' button shows he has always lived in Portland, no other residence. His sister and brother have no prior service, his Dad is too old to show on the computerized DoD record. It's a real name, which I wasn't too sure of. No flags indicating LEO status.

I'm thinking 'nut'.

Although, I've got to be truthful, I've had professors ask me something similar even when they didn't know my background, due to the questions I asked in class.
 
2010-02-06 11:38:52 PM  

WolfinPDX: I just have a couple of questions that I hope can be answered eventually. One: Why didn't he got to the local police? Two, why did the guy who was accused "lawyer up" and not make any public statements?


One word; Lawsuit.
 
2010-02-06 11:38:54 PM  

WolfinPDX: wo, why did the guy who was accused "lawyer up" and not make any public statements?


Well, I would think if he is not what the guy says he is, he has a pretty solid slander case against the University. Dollar Dollar Bills.
 
2010-02-06 11:39:07 PM  

roflmaonow: Had a roommate once who was a chronic pot smoker and once in his pot induced haze came to my room and told me that he has a secret that I should not tell anyone. He went on to say that he worked for the FBI and has samurai swords in his closet, if I was ever to mention of this I would be beheaded.

All of his post pot hazes were entertaining.


This wasn't pot. Pot doesn't make you delusional. It might make it fun to fark with your roommate. Ok maybe it was pot. Were Doritos involved?

Re the article, if you get all scared by someone describing Molotov cocktails then you are stupid because anyone with a brain can already make those.
 
2010-02-06 11:40:02 PM  

eggrolls: arkansas: Zach Bucharest? Google seems to indicate he doesn't get on the internet much.

Very weird.

This. No Zach (or Zachary) Bucharest in the online White Pages, LinkedIn, Zabasearch or Facebook. The only Google search results are about the incident. That strikes me as odd.

By comparison, I have a presence on all those sites - admittedly its a small presence, but it is traceable. I show up about 38,000 times on a Google search, and I've led a very dull life.


Not really. If you were to google my real name you would get the same results. All it means is that he's been careful to keep that information off the web. I bet he uses a pseudonym online.
 
2010-02-06 11:40:06 PM  

WFern: I visited a family friend's house recently (former cop no less) and found he had a copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook. Not that I have any intent on making bombs or garrotes, but it was fascinating.


A lot of it is wrong. There are better books; AC can get your fingers blown off.
 
2010-02-06 11:40:16 PM  

Hector Remarkable: Zach Bucharest - totally his real name.


Better than Rusty Shackleford.
 
2010-02-06 11:41:09 PM  
As an economics major who is into international weapons non-proliferation, I'm getting a kick..
 
2010-02-06 11:41:17 PM  

platedlizard: I bet he uses a pseudonym online.


Wait, you can do that? (ha)

I just googled my name and got 3.2 million hits. I'm F'ing famous biatches.
 
2010-02-06 11:41:29 PM  

TheyCallThisWork: Personally, I'd like to know if one of my classmates is packing heat. It's just effin' weird. It's Portland. What's he afraid of? Owl attacks?


I'm sure they thought that in Virginia, too.
 
2010-02-06 11:42:05 PM  

spawn73: 7wolf: What kind of retard needs to be taught how to make a molotov cocktail anyway?



Oh btw. I shouldn't post this.

Now I am probably on some watchlist even though I never made a Molotov cocktail or intend too. :(
 
2010-02-06 11:42:10 PM  

erewhon: A lot of it is wrong. There are better books; AC can get your fingers blown off.


Doesn't surprise me, though I would never try it anyway. I'm not brave enough to try making TNT and, even if I did it successfully, I'd have no use for it.
 
2010-02-06 11:42:11 PM  

puffy999: But a clean-cut business-like white man

elected mayor? You could get away with raping a boyanyone in that town.

FTFY.
 
2010-02-06 11:42:15 PM  
Translation: You Are Farked.
 
2010-02-06 11:43:47 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Does that state even have legal concealed carry?


Only Wisconsin and Illinois do not.

Cold1s: Bucharest did show off a gun on campus. Most schools prohibit this kind of thing. I'm not anti gun, but who carries a gun to class?


I used to, but I sure as hell didn't tell anyone about it. It was legal, but against school regs.

Weaver95: i'm not so sure. from what I've heard from the more vocal radicals, they said that they could almost always tell who the FBI infiltrators were because they were the guys always pushing to blow shiat up.


See, this always sounds like confirmation bias to me.
 
2010-02-06 11:45:10 PM  
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2010-02-06 11:46:56 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Cold1s:
Bucharest did show off a gun on campus. Most schools prohibit this kind of thing. I'm not anti gun, but who carries a gun to class?

I used to. Legally.


Fish in a Barrel: ...Cold1s: Bucharest did show off a gun on campus. Most schools prohibit this kind of thing. I'm not anti gun, but who carries a gun to class?

I used to, but I sure as hell didn't tell anyone about it. It was legal, but against school regs...


May I ask why either of you did that? Not that I'm "against" it, but it seems odd to me. Did you feel a need to have it? Was your safety a legitimate concern?

Certainly it can be a person's right to do that, but it's also your right to wear a fruit hat to class, and I don't see anyone doing that.
 
2010-02-06 11:47:56 PM  

WFern: but it's also your right to wear a fruit hat to class


Also against school regs
 
2010-02-06 11:48:10 PM  

srhp29: Seung-Hui Cho


Or people who don't want to be a victim of the next Seung-Hui Cho.
 
2010-02-06 11:48:39 PM  
I have to say, I think if some prof went off like this (instead of, say, asking if I'd ever worked at Fort Detrick in a quiet, sincere voice like that microbiology prof), I'd have to go with the flow and say something like "Sir, I can neither confirm nor deny the accusation which you have made" with a deadpan face just to see if I could rev him up more.

If I had some inkling he was GOING to do this, I'd have prepared with a lot of personal info on the guy and toss out cryptic comments on anything reasonably private I could come up with in addition to the stoneface routine.

Nothing would be more fun than to see the guy come totally unglued.
 
2010-02-06 11:48:40 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: Satanic_Hamster: Does that state even have legal concealed carry?

Only Wisconsin and Illinois do not.


Ok, rephrase; Is it "practical" concealed carry/ Can anyone who can buy a gun get it?

For example, New Jersey and New York have concealed carry; but unless you're the brother-in-law of the local sheriff, fat chance of getting a permit.
 
2010-02-06 11:50:05 PM  
FloydA
discrete discreat

FTFY

/pet peeve


FloydA
I recall that Portland had a pretty substantial neo-NAZI skinhead population at one time- not sure how active that still is.

They still exist, but not as many as there once were, and they can't do anything openly. From what I can tell, the city is an Antifa success story for the most part.


WFern
I visited a family friend's house recently (former cop no less) and found he had a copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook. Not that I have any intent on making bombs or garrotes, but it was fascinating.

I'm far too scared to look that stuff up online though, for fear of being tagged or having my ISP logged on some government database.


A good chunk of the recipes in there either don't work or will get you killed outright, so don't bother.
 
2010-02-06 11:50:21 PM  

Story: Or people who don't want to be a victim of the next Seung-Hui Cho.


Yeah, I was making a joke...but I agree...Had Mr. Bucharest been in that classroom, Cho probably only gets off a few shots.

It's really not the people that show off carrying the gun at school that you have to worry about as much. It's the one's that bring them once and show you how they work.
 
2010-02-06 11:50:23 PM  

Weaver95: I wonder what led the professor to believe that the guy was an FBI informant in the first place?


My guess? LSD or extreme left or right wing paranoia.
 
2010-02-06 11:50:57 PM  
I'm more concerned about who put this guy in charge:
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2010-02-06 11:51:45 PM  

erewhon: I have to say, I think if some prof went off like this (instead of, say, asking if I'd ever worked at Fort Detrick in a quiet, sincere voice like that microbiology prof), I'd have to go with the flow and say something like "Sir, I can neither confirm nor deny the accusation which you have made" with a deadpan face just to see if I could rev him up more.

If I had some inkling he was GOING to do this, I'd have prepared with a lot of personal info on the guy and toss out cryptic comments on anything reasonably private I could come up with in addition to the stoneface routine.

Nothing would be more fun than to see the guy come totally unglued.


Now that would be funny.
 
2010-02-06 11:51:47 PM  

NannyStatePark: roflmaonow: Had a roommate once who was a chronic pot smoker and once in his pot induced haze came to my room and told me that he has a secret that I should not tell anyone. He went on to say that he worked for the FBI and has samurai swords in his closet, if I was ever to mention of this I would be beheaded.

All of his post pot hazes were entertaining.

This wasn't pot. Pot doesn't make you delusional. It might make it fun to fark with your roommate. Ok maybe it was pot. Were Doritos involved?



Well I don't know what drugs he was doing then, I always assumed it was pot since his eyes were bloodshot during those tirades.
 
2010-02-06 11:51:53 PM  

spawn73: Oh btw. I shouldn't post this.


Drew rightfully frowns on explosives manufacturing details, IIRC, even stuff you can get on the net.
 
2010-02-06 11:52:26 PM  
FloydA: "Yep. There are dominionists, as sithon mentioned"

In Portland? In what kind of numbers? I wanna see some sources. Besides, this kind of thing isn't their MO.
 
2010-02-06 11:52:59 PM  

platedlizard:
Not really. If you were to google my real name you would get the same results. All it means is that he's been careful to keep that information off the web. I bet he uses a pseudonym online.


Oh, really? Well, I just searched your name and got tons of hits - everything from image galleries to encyclopedia articles about you. You're not half as clever as you think, Mr. Lizard.
 
2010-02-06 11:53:32 PM  

xuanzhiyouxuan: WFern: but it's also your right to wear a fruit hat to class

Also against school regs


If wearing a fruit hat is wrong, I don't want to be right.
 
2010-02-06 11:53:38 PM  

WFern: May I ask why either of you did that? Not that I'm "against" it, but it seems odd to me. Did you feel a need to have it? Was your safety a legitimate concern?

Certainly it can be a person's right to do that, but it's also your right to wear a fruit hat to class, and I don't see anyone doing that.


To be honest? Mostly it was because I legally could. No one knew I did it, I didn't brag about it, I didn't behave like one of those jackasses who NEEDS to let EVERYONE know he's armed. Part of it was that I used to walk back from campus (3.5 miles) on the rear roads through the agg/farm extension of campus (2 miles less then walking on the main roads).

If I planned to go to lunch or dinner at some place that served alcohol, I'd drive to campus or leave the gun at home (Mike's and Souvlakis for the win!).
 
2010-02-06 11:53:45 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: I used to, but I sure as hell didn't tell anyone about it. It was legal, but against school regs.


And the showing off is the red flag. I have cop friends who pack all the time, but the piece is kept concealed out of sight and mind.

Douchery meets crazy and makes for an interesting show for the rest of us.
 
2010-02-06 11:56:21 PM  

Monty845: Molotov Cocktails - Hardly a secret how to make em

Assualt Rifles - Legal in much of the country, easily avaible

Machine Gun - BIG RED FLAG... assuming we are talking about a real machine gun, and assuming a student doesn't have $20k+ to get one legally, there is either something going on there, or someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.

 
2010-02-06 11:56:27 PM  

Elbarfo: I'm sure they thought that in Virginia, too.


I have no idea what you're trying to say.
 
2010-02-06 11:56:49 PM  

erewhon: I have to say, I think if some prof went off like this (instead of, say, asking if I'd ever worked at Fort Detrick in a quiet, sincere voice like that microbiology prof), I'd have to go with the flow and say something like "Sir, I can neither confirm nor deny the accusation which you have made" with a deadpan face just to see if I could rev him up more.

If I had some inkling he was GOING to do this, I'd have prepared with a lot of personal info on the guy and toss out cryptic comments on anything reasonably private I could come up with in addition to the stoneface routine.

Nothing would be more fun than to see the guy come totally unglued.


i would want to film that
 
2010-02-06 11:58:53 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: To be honest? Mostly it was because I legally could. No one knew I did it, I didn't brag about it, I didn't behave like one of those jackasses who NEEDS to let EVERYONE know he's armed.


Same, basically. I normally have a gun on my anyhow. It's vanishingly unlikely I'll ever need a gun, but I like having it around. Even if I had wanted to, it would've been logistically difficult to disarm for class.
 
2010-02-06 11:59:02 PM  
PSU is good at accumulating loonies. I had to threaten legal action when I wanted to quit a job because my supervisor had a habit of throwing things at my head.
/I tried to, y'know, get it to stop through other ways (Yeah, you really can't spell who cares without HR) but quitting became the only option.
//cool story
///stories, I has them
 
2010-02-07 12:00:01 AM  
Looks like it's his real name.

Link (new window)
 
2010-02-07 12:02:26 AM  

MikeFallopian: platedlizard:
Not really. If you were to google my real name you would get the same results. All it means is that he's been careful to keep that information off the web. I bet he uses a pseudonym online.

Oh, really? Well, I just searched your name and got tons of hits - everything from image galleries to encyclopedia articles about you. You're not half as clever as you think, Mr. Lizard.


Oh SH--

Don't tell anyone, my cover is blown.
 
2010-02-07 12:04:04 AM  
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2010-02-07 12:05:29 AM  

Fish in a Barrel: Satanic_Hamster: To be honest? Mostly it was because I legally could. No one knew I did it, I didn't brag about it, I didn't behave like one of those jackasses who NEEDS to let EVERYONE know he's armed.

Same, basically. I normally have a gun on my anyhow. It's vanishingly unlikely I'll ever need a gun, but I like having it around. Even if I had wanted to, it would've been logistically difficult to disarm for class.


Plus, in Virginia at the time, it was 10 bucks for a concealed carry permit that was good for five years. No reason NOT to get one. :0

Also; Virginia Tech had a lot of Asians. So me carrying concealed in class was FORESIGHT! :0
 
2010-02-07 12:07:33 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Also; Virginia Tech had a lot of Asians. So me carrying concealed in class was FORESIGHT! :0


What are you, a Korean War vet?
 
2010-02-07 12:07:51 AM  

Elbarfo: TheyCallThisWork: Personally, I'd like to know if one of my classmates is packing heat. It's just effin' weird. It's Portland. What's he afraid of? Owl attacks?

I'm sure they thought that in Virginia, too.


Honest question, what are the odds someone will Jack Bauer their way out of that sort of situation?

There have been times my mind has wandered about what would happen if I ever found myself in a scenario like that while conceal carrying. If I heard gunfire behind me, my first instinct would be to take cover. My second instinct would be to get the hell out of there. My third instinct would be to find a really good hiding place. Pulling out my gun and returning fire would be pretty far down the list. Doing so would make me an immediate and, depending on the circumstances, easy target for the gunman. I also would rather not hit any bystanders in returning fire. Moreover, if someone else with a gun sees me stand up and open fire, I could be mistaken for the gunman, or potentially an accomplice. All of those would be really bad things.

I understand the argument for CC as a deterrent against crime. I don't understand the argument for CC because it'll make you be the hero if someone decides to shoot up a school or office building or whatever.
 
2010-02-07 12:08:32 AM  

erewhon: I have to say, I think if some prof went off like this (instead of, say, asking if I'd ever worked at Fort Detrick in a quiet, sincere voice like that microbiology prof), I'd have to go with the flow and say something like "Sir, I can neither confirm nor deny the accusation which you have made" with a deadpan face just to see if I could rev him up more. If I had some inkling he was GOING to do this, I'd have prepared with a lot of personal info on the guy and toss out cryptic comments on anything reasonably private I could come up with in addition to the stoneface routine. Nothing would be more fun than to see the guy come totally unglued.


Or whispering into your traveling coffee mug while your eyes never leave the good Prof, or just blinking Morse Code to him every time minutes?

/ 24kt Youtube gold.
 
2010-02-07 12:09:20 AM  

Outshined_One: I don't understand the argument for CC because it'll make you be the hero if someone decides to shoot up a school or office building or whatever.


I'm sorry, but if you are not willing to use it in a situation like that or even intending, then why the fark carry it at all?
 
2010-02-07 12:10:34 AM  

Story: Or whispering into your traveling coffee mug while your eyes never leave the good Prof, or just blinking Morse Code to him every time minutes?

/ 24kt Youtube gold.


And be sure to use the phrase, "End transmission."
 
2010-02-07 12:13:12 AM  
Apparently he goes by tzhkperez online.

If you search that handle you can find a cached version of PSU's Student Vet Association that confirms his email address.

That leads you to this youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/tzhkperez

FBI informant? No idea. But anyone who puts Sniping as their #1 Hobby is worth a look into after these allegations.
 
2010-02-07 12:14:05 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: To be honest? Mostly it was because I legally could.


Fish in a Barrel: Same, basically.



A handgun is a tool for causing death. It does not belong in the backpack of an 18-year-old getting an education. "Just because" is not a reasonable explanation.

Here are some better ones:

1) I live in fear of others.
2) I think I'm a secret bad-ass.
3) I have heroic delusions.
4) I'm basically unstable.
5) I think this might impress someone.
6) I'm overcompensating for other aspects of my personality.

"Just because" is an answer to the question: "Why did you wear tube socks with blue stripes?"
 
2010-02-07 12:14:07 AM  

WFern: erewhon: A lot of it is wrong. There are better books; AC can get your fingers blown off.

Doesn't surprise me, though I would never try it anyway. I'm not brave enough to try making TNT and, even if I did it successfully, I'd have no use for it.


I used to have a copy of the AC when I was in high school. I kept it right next to my Satanic Bible. I never tried anything in either of them. I stomped my feet when mom bought me pink sweaters and told me to stop wearing black and to take all that dark goopy mascara off because it made me look like a clown. Good times.

/This was before the goths
//I was extra weird
 
2010-02-07 12:14:28 AM  
Dominion infiltration?
On the case!

i640.photobucket.com
 
2010-02-07 12:14:34 AM  

RanDomino: FloydA
discrete discreat

FTFY

/pet peeve


Really? I had to look it up and didn't find "discreat" as an actual word. I did find "discrete" and "discreet" and it turns out that "discreet" would have been the appropriate choice. Might want to reconsider your pet peeve. Thanks, I've finally realized the difference in the spelling and meaning of the two valid words.
 
2010-02-07 12:14:35 AM  

xuanzhiyouxuan: Satanic_Hamster: Also; Virginia Tech had a lot of Asians. So me carrying concealed in class was FORESIGHT! :0

What are you, a Korean War vet?


No. But 100 percent of the murders at Virginia Tech in the last 20 years were committed by Asians.
 
2010-02-07 12:16:41 AM  

TheyCallThisWork: Satanic_Hamster: To be honest? Mostly it was because I legally could.

Fish in a Barrel: Same, basically.


A handgun is a tool for causing death. It does not belong in the backpack of an 18-year-old getting an education. "Just because" is not a reasonable explanation.

Here are some better ones:

1) I live in fear of others.
2) I think I'm a secret bad-ass.
3) I have heroic delusions.
4) I'm basically unstable.
5) I think this might impress someone.
6) I'm overcompensating for other aspects of my personality.

"Just because" is an answer to the question: "Why did you wear tube socks with blue stripes?"


What kind of idiot would keep a pistol in their backpack?
 
2010-02-07 12:16:48 AM  
 
2010-02-07 12:17:25 AM  

Weaver95: I wonder what led the professor to believe that the guy was an FBI informant in the first place?


The radio in his head went crazy any time the guy was around.
 
2010-02-07 12:18:43 AM  

snowmayne: Really? I had to look it up and didn't find "discreat" as an actual word. I did find "discrete" and "discreet" and it turns out that "discreet" would have been the appropriate choice. Might want to reconsider your pet peeve. Thanks, I've finally realized the difference in the spelling and meaning of the two valid words.


They were joking. Relax.
 
2010-02-07 12:18:46 AM  

srhp29: Outshined_One: I don't understand the argument for CC because it'll make you be the hero if someone decides to shoot up a school or office building or whatever.

I'm sorry, but if you are not willing to use it in a situation like that or even intending, then why the fark carry it at all?


A lot of the time, just showing a potential run of the mill criminal (mugger, rapist, burglar, whatever) your gun is all you need to stop them.

I think what happened at VA Tech was a special situation.
 
2010-02-07 12:21:49 AM  
FSM, you people need to lighten up, including my green friended people that don't they are green.

Dam. Seriously.

Take a deep breath and realize this was about an ECONOMY PROFESSOR. ROFL. As though they have any relevance.
 
2010-02-07 12:24:10 AM  

WickerNipple: Apparently he goes by tzhkperez online.

If you search that handle you can find a cached version of PSU's Student Vet Association that confirms his email address.

That leads you to this youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/tzhkperez

FBI informant? No idea. But anyone who puts Sniping as their #1 Hobby is worth a look into after these allegations.


Nice. His Youtube profile info raises all sorts of red flags. Sounds like a budding Israeli (anti)terrorist out for bloodshed.
 
2010-02-07 12:24:14 AM  

TheyCallThisWork: Satanic_Hamster: To be honest? Mostly it was because I legally could.

Fish in a Barrel: Same, basically.


A handgun is a tool for causing death. It does not belong in the backpack of an 18-year-old getting an education. "Just because" is not a reasonable explanation.

Here are some better ones:

1) I live in fear of others.
2) I think I'm a secret bad-ass.
3) I have heroic delusions.
4) I'm basically unstable.
5) I think this might impress someone.
6) I'm overcompensating for other aspects of my personality.

"Just because" is an answer to the question: "Why did you wear tube socks with blue stripes?"


People who are afraid of inanimate items seem to project a great deal.
 
2010-02-07 12:24:24 AM  

Outshined_One: srhp29: Outshined_One: I don't understand the argument for CC because it'll make you be the hero if someone decides to shoot up a school or office building or whatever.

I'm sorry, but if you are not willing to use it in a situation like that or even intending, then why the fark carry it at all?

A lot of the time, just showing a potential run of the mill criminal (mugger, rapist, burglar, whatever) your gun is all you need to stop them.

I think what happened at VA Tech was a special situation.


My take on it, as a VT grad (2001) who carried concealed, legally, to class:
* The gun ban wasn't enacted till 2003.
* The gun ban was never enforced but known to students.
* The gun ban is impossible to enforce.
* The gun ban isn't likely legal, according ot the VT provost.
* The gun ban has never been enforced. Not a single criminal charge or student judicial charge.
* Cho didn't have a concealed carry permit and obviously didn't care about the ban.
* The number of people killed or injured at Virginia Tech before the ban before it came into effect was... Zero.

The ban only stopped people who gave a damn about the rules and didn't want to face possible expulsion/harassment from the school for violating the ban. The ban on concealed carry at VT didn't save a single life.
 
2010-02-07 12:24:50 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: What kind of idiot would keep a pistol in their backpack?


I don't expect you to have a revelation on the internet, but, maybe tonight you can have a little introspection time and consider the truth in what I posted. School isn't the place for guns. Pencils are the more appropriate tool there.
 
2010-02-07 12:24:54 AM  

Story: Or whispering into your traveling coffee mug while your eyes never leave the good Prof, or just blinking Morse Code to him every time minutes?


Oh, I think the very first thing would be to start wearing one of those nifty Secret Service curly-wired earpieces to class. Maybe some reflective shades, you might make a really interesting custom mug, not too overt, maybe a logo with Quantico Fall '92 or something. Wear a cryptic t-shirt to class. I've got some good ones that are obviously military but not obviously what, I imagine I could concoct a good one or two, although it would be easier if he'd accused me of belonging to something other than FBI - I don't know enough about them offhand to fake it well. I have lots of DIA and DISA paraphernalia which looks cool because people generally don't recognize it other than it's government-y, and a big selection of old Army crap of various stages of my life. A selection of TS project-oriented stuff that only the cognoscenti would get but they LOOK cool. Not any Feeb stuff, though.

If pushed to it, I know a few agents and could likely swap for something. You wouldn't want something blatant like a field jacket. Maybe a "DC office 10K fun run March 2002" tshirt with an FBI logo on or the like, that's more convincing IMO.

Subtlety is all.

/renting a black Yukon and putting fake GS plates on to park outside his house - priceless
 
2010-02-07 12:24:57 AM  

erewhon: Although, I've got to be truthful, I've had professors ask me something similar even when they didn't know my background, due to the questions I asked in class.


Oh come on, we all know you're an information provocateur for the Chinese.
 
2010-02-07 12:26:15 AM  

srhp29:

They were joking. Relax.


It doesn't get any more relaxing than this tub of jello.
 
2010-02-07 12:27:40 AM  

TheyCallThisWork: Satanic_Hamster: What kind of idiot would keep a pistol in their backpack?

I don't expect you to have a revelation on the internet, but, maybe tonight you can have a little introspection time and consider the truth in what I posted. School isn't the place for guns. Pencils are the more appropriate tool there.


What truth? You just copied and pasted a standard troll insinuating that anyone who owns/carries a gun has a small penis.
 
2010-02-07 12:27:42 AM  

snowmayne: RanDomino: FloydA
discrete discreat

FTFY

/pet peeve


Really? I had to look it up and didn't find "discreat" as an actual word. I did find "discrete" and "discreet" and it turns out that "discreet" would have been the appropriate choice. Might want to too reconsider your pet peeve. Thanks, I've finally realized the difference in the spelling and meaning of the two to valid words.


FTFY

/pet peeve
 
2010-02-07 12:27:47 AM  

dstrick44: This is what's disturbing. From the comments:

Posted by sagerat
February 05, 2010, 7:51PM
Just another fruitcake Portland State "educator." Even if he was correct, the FBI is not the enemy. No one who is not involved in criminal activity has any reason to fear the FBI, CIA or any other law enforcement group.

Is it possible that there are still people out there who are that naive?


Maybe it's a cop with a really poor "disguise" online.

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Aunt Crabby: I used to have a copy of the AC when I was in high school. I kept it right next to my Satanic Bible. I never tried anything in either of them. I stomped my feet when mom bought me pink sweaters and told me to stop wearing black and to take all that dark goopy mascara off because it made me look like a clown. Good times.

/This was before the goths
//I was extra weird


Don't feel bad. When I was about 17, I bought several books by this tool (new window) until I matured and got rid of them. I cringe to think of that sh-t now.
 
2010-02-07 12:28:01 AM  

ZipSplat: Oh come on, we all know you're an information provocateur for the Chinese.


WTF, he's horning in on my gig.
 
2010-02-07 12:31:43 AM  
Ah, I see that the army of cutouts have come out in this thread to support their coworker.

Really, is this what our taxes are paying for? President Obama, break out that scalpel!
 
2010-02-07 12:32:43 AM  

sithon: maybe dominionist or terrorist trying to recruit from impressionable youth.


Remember,

A Dominionist is someone who wants to kill those who don't agree with their specific religious and cultural ideals and wish to impose them on others by force.

A Terrorist is someone who wants to kill those who don't agree with their specific religious and cultural ideals and wish to impose them on others by force.

There is a world of difference: One of them is a Real Americantm, the other is not. Get it straight.
 
2010-02-07 12:32:44 AM  

UnspokenVoice: snowmayne: RanDomino: FloydA
discrete discreat

FTFY

/pet peeve


Really? I had to look it up and didn't find "discreat" as an actual word. I did find "discrete" and "discreet" and it turns out that "discreet" would have been the appropriate choice. Might want to too reconsider your pet peeve. Thanks, I've finally realized the difference in the spelling and meaning of the two to valid words.

FTFY

/pet peeve


I think I just crapped in my jello.
 
2010-02-07 12:32:46 AM  

UnspokenVoice: People who are afraid of inanimate items seem to project a great deal.


You misunderstand. I'm afraid of people. Reason #1 on my list, btw. And, despite that, I don't bring a gun wherever I go. I roll the dice.

Four people have been shot within one block of my apartment in the last two years, yet I don't carry a gun around. Has anyone ever been shot at PSU?
 
2010-02-07 12:33:11 AM  

Arthur Jumbles: There were many cases in the 60s of the FBI and local police departments sending in undercover agents to infiltrate student groups and try to influence them to commit acts of violence so they could be arrested. If the professor truly believed the student was an undercover agent then going through the proper chain of command would have been useless..... by going public in front of a large group of people he virtually assured that the guy's cover was blown.

Sure, he might have harmed his career if he's proved wrong but he did it in a non-violent way and no one will suffer except himself. Wish we had more people who were willing to make self-sacrfices for personal freedom and liberty.


That's absolute horseshiat. He played out some retarded persecution fantasy in class and he'll probably lose his job over it, which he should.

The student in question might be an FBI agent, he might be a nutjob, or he might be just a student. The professor doesn't know, and calling the student out in class is bullshiat. I'm guessing the student is a maladjusted 30 year old who finally got the means to go to college and has a screw loose.

The professor is succumbing to his own overblown ego as a "defender of freedom". Even if he was, there's no reason to do it in class. Actually, if he had any concern at all about the student, he wouldn't do it in class.
 
2010-02-07 12:33:29 AM  
I think all of YOU are FBI - Farked, But Interesting.
 
2010-02-07 12:33:44 AM  

UnspokenVoice: People who are afraid of inanimate items seem to project a great deal.


To use an extreme example here, a nuclear bomb is technically just as much of an inanimate item. Guns may be a right, but it doesn't mean there shouldn't be restrictions on them.
 
2010-02-07 12:33:48 AM  

CaptainFatass: Ah, I see that the army of cutouts have come out in this thread to support their coworker.

Really, is this what our taxes are paying for? President Obama, break out that scalpel!


Uhhhhh... What, exactly, does Obama have to do with this?
 
2010-02-07 12:33:59 AM  

CaptainFatass: Ah, I see that the army of cutouts have come out in this thread to support their coworker.

Really, is this what our taxes are paying for? President Obama, break out that scalpel!


Oh my. You should really elaborate instead of being cryptic. Please fill in the rest of the class.
 
2010-02-07 12:34:00 AM  
also, what would have happened if someone screened, what is the frequency kenneth?
 
2010-02-07 12:34:41 AM  
I failed to find the part where the teacher was sexing it up with one of his students. I call shenanigans!
 
2010-02-07 12:35:45 AM  

loonatic112358: also, what would have happened if someone screened Screamed, what is the frequency kenneth?


ftfm

and i should probably start working towards my bed
 
2010-02-07 12:36:30 AM  

Outshined_One: Honest question, what are the odds someone will Jack Bauer their way out of that sort of situation?


There have only been a handful of cases where concealed carry has met spree shooter. Of those I can recall off-hand, success rates are fairly low. Maybe 1/3 or 1/2 succeed in stopping the shooter. Of course, that's better than nothing. Spree shootings are so rare, though, that it's rather silly the amount of energy and breath that gets wasted arguing about it in the context of concealed carry.

There have been times my mind has wandered about what would happen if I ever found myself in a scenario like that while conceal carrying. If I heard gunfire behind me, my first instinct would be to take cover. My second instinct would be to get the hell out of there. My third instinct would be to find a really good hiding place.

Which is a pretty fine plan.

Pulling out my gun and returning fire would be pretty far down the list. Doing so would make me an immediate and, depending on the circumstances, easy target for the gunman.

Returning fire shouldn't be your first reaction. At the very least you want some cover or concealment to make yourself less of a target. What you do after that depends on your priorities and capabilities. Not to long ago there was a spree shooting in a mall that also happened to have two people carrying concealed gun. One of these men chose to get his family behind cover and then stayed put until the shooting stopped. That's a perfectly valid choice. The other guy confronted the shooter and discovered two things: that he couldn't bring himself to shoot a teenager, and that the psycho had no such problems shooting him.

I also would rather not hit any bystanders in returning fire.

That's actually very rare. Believe it or not, in shootings civilians actually have a much lower rate of innocent victims than the police.

Moreover, if someone else with a gun sees me stand up and open fire, I could be mistaken for the gunman, or potentially an accomplice. All of those would be really bad things.

This doesn't concern me at all. I've never heard of it happening, and the probability that anyone would be willing and able to act on such misapprehensions is insignificant.

I understand the argument for CC as a deterrent against crime. I don't understand the argument for CC because it'll make you be the hero if someone decides to shoot up a school or office building or whatever.

I'm with you. It's just not a common enough occurrence to concern myself with, and I think it's a red herring. That's not to say that I think CC is useless in a spree shooting, I'm just not going to use it as a principal argument for CC.
 
2010-02-07 12:38:00 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: What truth? You just copied and pasted a standard troll insinuating that anyone who owns/carries a gun has a small penis.


Never copied or pasted anything, and never mentioned your penis.

Beyond "just because," why would you bring a gun to school? It takes significantly less effort to just leave it under your pillow, so why go out of your way?
 
2010-02-07 12:40:03 AM  
I find this fascinating. I know PSU has students end up working for government suppliers, and that "coulda-been" hippies are now America-hating anti-rich hip-hop drones.

I think the prof, if not completely right, should be taken seriously. I doubt he made the whole thing up. The fact that the student, age 30, has a lawyer, was offering gun access and bomb instructions, and apparently being kind of a dumbass about it, smacks of some kind of weird setup.

I'm 40, in college, and I have no interaction outside of class with any fellow students--and I've never seen a moment when it might be nice to offer fellow students deals on guns or info on how to make Molotov Cocktails. The student in question here is either a farking weirdo or a FBI/CIA plant with no grip (as would be expected) on what kids ten years younger think about anything, let along his peers. He's doing a job and failing----this seems consistent with prior FBI/CIA attempts and infiltration.

PSU is probably a good testing ground for finding young radicals prime for grooming: relatively lots of internet experience, extremes in political opinion, high unemployment, presence of Earth First, etc.

Interesting story.
 
2010-02-07 12:40:44 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: CaptainFatass: Ah, I see that the army of cutouts have come out in this thread to support their coworker.

Really, is this what our taxes are paying for? President Obama, break out that scalpel!

Uhhhhh... What, exactly, does Obama have to do with this?


Obama needs to comb though the intelligence agencies' budgets and eliminate programs that allow this sort of behavior. The FBI and CIA have long been given a blank check to run amok, and it needs to stop, on both an ethical and financial level.
 
2010-02-07 12:40:45 AM  

loonatic112358: also, what would have happened if someone screened, what is the frequency kenneth?


Exactly, the professor should have done some basic counter-surveillance and possibly a sting along the opposite lines of what erehwon was suggesting. At the very least some kind of device to jam kenneth bucharest's frequency (I'm thinking vintage marconi transmitter, you know, with the nice varnished wood and brass bits). Then confront the student and hand him the packet.
 
2010-02-07 12:40:53 AM  

leonel: Well it IS Portland State U. If there ever was a liberal version of the absurdity and plain good old fashioned crazy that teabaggers embody, PSU would fit the bill like a glove.


*cough* Berkeley *cough*
 
2010-02-07 12:41:12 AM  

TheyCallThisWork: UnspokenVoice: People who are afraid of inanimate items seem to project a great deal.

You misunderstand. I'm afraid of people. Reason #1 on my list, btw. And, despite that, I don't bring a gun wherever I go. I roll the dice.

Four people have been shot within one block of my apartment in the last two years, yet I don't carry a gun around. Has anyone ever been shot at PSU?


I assume you have a point, it just isn't in there. It is immaterial if people have been shot there in the past. The past doesn't tell you what the future will be. I'm not even stating the veracity of carrying a weapon on school grounds, I'm simply pointing out that you're like the rest and simply projecting the typical troll statements in hopes that no one else gives you any attention. At least you were honest enough to admit you were scared of people. I, for one, appreciate that you are and think you should seek counseling. It isn't good to walk around scared. Scared people shouldn't carry weapons either so you got that going for you.

WFern: UnspokenVoice: People who are afraid of inanimate items seem to project a great deal.

To use an extreme example here, a nuclear bomb is technically just as much of an inanimate item. Guns may be a right, but it doesn't mean there shouldn't be restrictions on them.


They don't scare me either actually. I'm not advocating for unlimited carry in any situation - there are times and places where a weapon is not appropriate. I'm simply pointing out that they're trolling tired points with no merit and are projecting their own fears and frailties on others in hopes that people avoid feeding the troll and hoping that maybe we'll learn more about the incident as people here keep digging into it instead of debating the troll.
 
2010-02-07 12:41:31 AM  

dstrick44: FloydA 2010-02-06 07:31:20 PM
That's disturbing.


This is what's disturbing. From the comments:

Posted by sagerat
February 05, 2010, 7:51PM
Just another fruitcake Portland State "educator." Even if he was correct, the FBI is not the enemy. No one who is not involved in criminal activity has any reason to fear the FBI, CIA or any other law enforcement group.

Is it possible that there are still people out there who are that naive?


No, it's technically true.

It's just that the FBI & CIA have extremely broad parameters as to what "involvement in criminal activities" actually entails. In some cases "breathing in the same building as a potential terrorist" may be adequate.
 
2010-02-07 12:41:43 AM  

The Hammer Is My Penis: When Mr. Hall finished speaking, Mr. Bucharest stood and told the class that it was true that he had been a sniper in the Israeli army, but that Mr. Hall was wrong about other things. He then left.

This isn't even particularly weird for Portland, but I'm an old guy returning student at PSU, so it was interesting.


From that link:

In a letter to the university's student-run newspaper, the Vanguard, Mr. Hall wrote that, based upon his students' reports, "I cannot help but to think that the process currently is being shaped in order to end my tenure at PSU."

The professor is batshiat insane.

Maybe it's a Jewish conspiracy!
 
2010-02-07 12:42:13 AM  

Weaver95: Fellows: So, is the 30-year-old student an FBI informant or what?

we'll probably never know for sure.


Sort of like Jesus?
 
2010-02-07 12:42:17 AM  

Fish in a Barrel: This doesn't concern me at all. I've never heard of it happening, and the probability that anyone would be willing and able to act on such misapprehensions is insignificant.


I was thinking more along the lines of police officers rather than other people who are CCing.
 
2010-02-07 12:42:55 AM  

ZipSplat: Oh come on, we all know you're an information provocateur for the Chinese.


(phonetically)
Bi-zui! BAI-tuo, AN-jing-eedyen! Dong-ma?
 
2010-02-07 12:43:01 AM  

Aunt Crabby: WFern: erewhon: A lot of it is wrong. There are better books; AC can get your fingers blown off.

Doesn't surprise me, though I would never try it anyway. I'm not brave enough to try making TNT and, even if I did it successfully, I'd have no use for it.

I used to have a copy of the AC when I was in high school. I kept it right next to my Satanic Bible. I never tried anything in either of them. I stomped my feet when mom bought me pink sweaters and told me to stop wearing black and to take all that dark goopy mascara off because it made me look like a clown. Good times.

/This was before the goths
//I was extra weird


Yeah, it wasn't called "goth", it was "industrial" at that time... which is why I thought the whole goth movement was funny as hell, and nothing new.

/ Warm Leatherette, anyone?
 
2010-02-07 12:43:03 AM  

TheyCallThisWork: Satanic_Hamster: What truth? You just copied and pasted a standard troll insinuating that anyone who owns/carries a gun has a small penis.

Never copied or pasted anything, and never mentioned your penis.

Beyond "just because," why would you bring a gun to school? It takes significantly less effort to just leave it under your pillow, so why go out of your way?


You. Are. ADORABLE.

And obtuse. But in an adorable way.
 
2010-02-07 12:43:55 AM  

UnspokenVoice: CaptainFatass: Ah, I see that the army of cutouts have come out in this thread to support their coworker.

Really, is this what our taxes are paying for? President Obama, break out that scalpel!

Oh my. You should really elaborate instead of being cryptic. Please fill in the rest of the class.


Look it up yourself, I am not your research director.
 
2010-02-07 12:44:21 AM  

SuperCatBarf: I'm 40, in college, and I have no interaction outside of class with any fellow students--and I've never seen a moment when it might be nice to offer fellow students deals on guns or info on how to make Molotov Cocktails.


Their called "parties". Sometimes alcohol is served. Go to one.

Why are you guys giving any credibility to someone who is crazy and making things up?
 
2010-02-07 12:45:53 AM  

Dr.Zom: Looks like it's his real name.

Link (new window)


With siblings Minerva, Morton, and Zachary. Nice job naming those kids, Paul and Susan.
 
2010-02-07 12:45:53 AM  

CaptainFatass: amok


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Amok! Amok! Amok! Amok! Amok! Amok!
 
2010-02-07 12:48:23 AM  

CaptainFatass: UnspokenVoice: CaptainFatass: Ah, I see that the army of cutouts have come out in this thread to support their coworker.

Really, is this what our taxes are paying for? President Obama, break out that scalpel!

Oh my. You should really elaborate instead of being cryptic. Please fill in the rest of the class.

Look it up yourself, I am not your research director.


Ah... You think this person truly was a government agent in other words. Lacking any additional information I'm going to have to say that I suspect he was not. At least not in this government. It just has a ring of too much complexity which, I suppose, has never stopped them before.

However... I'm not willing to believe such is likely to be true. I will, on the other hand, accept any evidence that comes out later depending on the sources. Right now? No... My inclination leads me to suspect that the information spouted by a crazy professor is not accurate.

Thanks for letting me know what you think though. I appreciate it though I am skeptical about his involvement in the United States government at this time. I'll await additional evidence/information though.
 
2010-02-07 12:49:21 AM  

CaptainFatass: Ah, I see that the army of cutouts have come out in this thread to support their coworker.


Damn! You're onto us!
 
2010-02-07 12:49:55 AM  
Approves

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/hot like a letterbomb
 
2010-02-07 12:50:59 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: And obtuse. But in an adorable way.


Your silence speaks volumes.
 
2010-02-07 12:51:56 AM  

Outshined_One: Fish in a Barrel: This doesn't concern me at all. I've never heard of it happening, and the probability that anyone would be willing and able to act on such misapprehensions is insignificant.

I was thinking more along the lines of police officers rather than other people who are CCing.


Yeah, I include them in that assessment. By the time the cops arrive, the show is usually long over. I'll either be dead or standing by with my gun reholstered and concealed. Either way, there's not much chance things will go terribly wrong at that point.

Anyhow, it's time for me to go to sleep. With one notable exception, it's been a rather mature discussion tonight. I'm not used to that on Fark. :D
 
2010-02-07 12:53:04 AM  

TheyCallThisWork: Satanic_Hamster: And obtuse. But in an adorable way.

Your silence speaks volumes.


And your blatant trolling does as well. What's your point, son?
 
2010-02-07 12:54:27 AM  
I'm pretty dubious about the leap to "FBI informant", but am reserving opinion about this whole affair until more information becomes available. If the story quietly disappears without the Prof receiving significant sanctions, that'll be an interesting development.
 
2010-02-07 12:57:41 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: And your blatant trolling does as well. What's your point, son?


Trolling?

I didn't realize that "you shouldn't carry a gun to school" was a controversial viewpoint.
 
2010-02-07 12:58:39 AM  

TheyCallThisWork: Satanic_Hamster: And your blatant trolling does as well. What's your point, son?

Trolling?

I didn't realize that "you shouldn't carry a gun to school" was a controversial viewpoint.


And your question was nothing but the standard troll insinuation that anyone doing so is either mentally ill or compensating for something.
 
2010-02-07 1:00:59 AM  

lobootomy: The student in question might be an FBI agent


FBI Agent != FBI Informant. Totally different things.
 
2010-02-07 1:03:46 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: TheyCallThisWork: Satanic_Hamster: And your blatant trolling does as well. What's your point, son?

Trolling?

I didn't realize that "you shouldn't carry a gun to school" was a controversial viewpoint.

And your question was nothing but the standard troll insinuation that anyone doing so is either mentally ill or compensating for something.


So, the logical reason for carrying a concealed weapon on campus is...? What; got a hot hunting date right after class?

Thirty-year-old student, inciting student "activists" to commit violent and illegal activities? Yeah, this smells like the remnants of COINTELPRO.
 
2010-02-07 1:05:11 AM  

snowmayne: RanDomino: FloydA
discrete discreat

FTFY

/pet peeve

Really? I had to look it up and didn't find "discreat" as an actual word. I did find "discrete" and "discreet" and it turns out that "discreet" would have been the appropriate choice. Might want to reconsider your pet peeve. Thanks, I've finally realized the difference in the spelling and meaning of the two valid words.


You don't come hear here often, do you?

FTFM

/pet peeve
//do you get it now?
 
2010-02-07 1:06:27 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: TheyCallThisWork: Satanic_Hamster: And obtuse. But in an adorable way.

Your silence speaks volumes.

And your blatant trolling does as well. What's your point, son?


I think they've been rather nullified at this point. I'd get into details but they're too long to type in one sitting - I've got beer to drink. Either way, I carry openly or I conceal it in public as I'm allowed to, if I feel the situation warrants not offending anyone. I live in a VERY remote area of Maine. I don't carry it out of fear. I have no intention of using it on a human though I would if I had to counter an obvious threat. It is that there is almost always something "in season" here in Maine and I tend to live off the land as much as I can. Hunting with a pistol is not the easiest but if one is patient (and uses a decent sidearm) it is quite possible. It is also much easier than lugging around a rifle strapped to your back.

*sighs*

But no... I must be compensating or scared or something. When I go to speak at UMF I am very likely still armed. That must be because I'm afraid of a bunch of future teachers or geeks. Practicality can't have anything to do with it. Nope... Gotta be something they project.

Anyhow, I could go on but I have beer to drink. I think the troll has had enough attention.
 
2010-02-07 1:06:40 AM  

CaptainFatass: So, the logical reason for carrying a concealed weapon on campus is...? What; got a hot hunting date right after class?

Thirty-year-old student, inciting student "activists" to commit violent and illegal activities? Yeah, this smells like the remnants of COINTELPRO.


That, or the deluded fantasies of a crazy professor with a history of reporting phantom threats to the campus police?
 
2010-02-07 1:08:34 AM  
fta: And then he proceeded to say a lot of unpleasant things about Bucharest," Condron said. For instance, he said, Hall called Bucharest a killer

Without substantially more information, it sounds like the student is a run-of-the mill insecure guy, and the professor if a full-on retard whackjob tinfoil hatter who has committed several counts of prosecutable slander (Unless it actually turns out to be true that Bucharest is a secret super-ninja contract killer)
 
2010-02-07 1:10:34 AM  

CaptainFatass: Yeah, this smells like the remnants of COINTELPRO.


Please don't help me. You sound completely effin' crazy.
 
2010-02-07 1:10:36 AM  
Hm, I tried to demonstrate the Rotsky and pulled a fail mixing my homonyms. Does that make it an even better Rotsky?
 
2010-02-07 1:11:31 AM  

mordantkitten: Hm, I tried to demonstrate the Rotsky and pulled a fail mixing my homonyms. Does that make it an even better Rotsky?


You did confuse the hell out of me there...I was like...how the hell is that going to help them understand. You did it correctly. :)
 
2010-02-07 1:12:34 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: CaptainFatass: So, the logical reason for carrying a concealed weapon on campus is...? What; got a hot hunting date right after class?

Thirty-year-old student, inciting student "activists" to commit violent and illegal activities? Yeah, this smells like the remnants of COINTELPRO.

That, or the deluded fantasies of a crazy professor with a history of reporting phantom threats to the campus police?


Ah, and here we go with the character assassinations, right on schedule for you cheap and obvious government shills. What about the students who expressed their concern to the professor about this obvious nutcase-are they, too, "crazy" with a "history of reporting phantom threats"?
 
2010-02-07 1:14:43 AM  
You know what doesn't belong on campus? Political T-shirts on non poli-sci students. I mean, it's not that I'm against free speech, I support it, but people going to school are there to learn whatever is being taught, not to engage in free speech.
...
Political speech is a tool used for supporting oppression. It does not belong to the hearts and minds of an 18-year-old getting an education. "Just because" is not a reasonable explanation for why someone would support such controversial subjects.

However, here are some:

1) I think my opinion is more valid than anyone elses
2) They should shut their fool mouths if it wouldn't cause them to suffocate because they're mouthbreathers
3) I have political delusions of grandeur
4) I'm basically unstable.
5) I think big words might impress someone (such as in south park the movie: I can be political too)
6) I'm overcompensating for my lack of an agreeable personality
 
2010-02-07 1:15:13 AM  
Look, they're both nuts, the students who didn't think the wacko student who was always talking about guns & bombs should have been at least MENTIONED to the cops are psycho, and all of you worried that wacko student might "really" have been COINTELPRO need to add another layer to your tinfoil hat before the cosmic mind rays get to you.

I find it most alarming that all the people who "knew" Zach Bucharest from Budapest or whatever was running around talking about the next Red uprising didn't seem to feel this warranted any kind of mention to the authorities. Because these are the same people who, after ol' Zach finally shot up his dorm or half the Poli-Sci class, were going to say "Oh, but he seemed like such a normal guy," or "OMG, we never saw it coming."

Meanwhile, all you flaky gun nuts here would be going on and on about how more should have been done, why couldn't he have been stopped, they should never have let him blah blah blah. Yeah, FINALLY one of these bozos got stopped (maybe) before it was too late...by accident...because his prof was crazier than him...and not because anyone who knew anything actually did something about it.
 
2010-02-07 1:16:30 AM  

CaptainFatass: What about the students who expressed their concern to the professor about this obvious nutcase-are they, too, "crazy" with a "history of reporting phantom threats"?


Where did it say the students told he professor they thought the guy was some sort of covert government informant?

Your tin foil hat must be made of some good stuff.
 
2010-02-07 1:18:24 AM  

UnspokenVoice: I think they've been rather nullified at this point. I'd get into details but they're too long to type in one sitting - I've got beer to drink. Either way, I carry openly or I conceal it in public as I'm allowed to, if I feel the situation warrants not offending anyone. I live in a VERY remote area of Maine. I don't carry it out of fear. I have no intention of using it on a human though I would if I had to counter an obvious threat. It is that there is almost always something "in season" here in Maine and I tend to live off the land as much as I can. Hunting with a pistol is not the easiest but if one is patient (and uses a decent sidearm) it is quite possible. It is also much easier than lugging around a rifle strapped to your back.


Next time you bag something at the UMF campus, I'll take back all my comments. I hear the campus is lush, and students often see rabbit and squirrel nearly year-round, with some migratory fowl starting in March and April.
 
2010-02-07 1:19:12 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Meanwhile, all you flaky gun nuts here would be going on and on about how more should have been done, why couldn't he have been stopped, they should never have let him blah blah blah. Yeah, FINALLY one of these bozos got stopped (maybe) before it was too late...by accident


So you live in a country where you are guilty of an act that was never even committed?

Most cases of people who seem a little gun/kill crazy never amount to anything. You don't hear about those on the news though.

You know, most planes land safely too.
 
2010-02-07 1:21:44 AM  

Tawnos: You know what doesn't belong on campus?


LOL I was hoping we'd nullified the idiocy but then you had to go and do that. Welcome to my favorite's list. I'd offer you a beer but the last one I poured onto the DSL box didn't really work out so well.
 
2010-02-07 1:24:51 AM  

Tawnos: You know what doesn't belong on campus? Political T-shirts on non poli-sci students. I mean, it's not that I'm against free speech, I support it, but people going to school are there to learn whatever is being taught, not to engage in free speech.


Have you gone to college?

If you have, then you will remember that the whole point of it is the exchange of ideas through writing, reading and speaking. It's the perfect place to take advantage of your first amendment rights.

Second amendment rights are best exercised at a gun range, where, I presume, charged political discussion is not encouraged.
 
2010-02-07 1:25:59 AM  

CaptainFatass: Satanic_Hamster: CaptainFatass: So, the logical reason for carrying a concealed weapon on campus is...? What; got a hot hunting date right after class?

Thirty-year-old student, inciting student "activists" to commit violent and illegal activities? Yeah, this smells like the remnants of COINTELPRO.

That, or the deluded fantasies of a crazy professor with a history of reporting phantom threats to the campus police?

Ah, and here we go with the character assassinations, right on schedule for you cheap and obvious government shills. What about the students who expressed their concern to the professor about this obvious nutcase-are they, too, "crazy" with a "history of reporting phantom threats"?


[image from pix.motivatedphotos.com too old to be available]

Yet you got some bites on your Obama comment (not hard on fark, seeing as how they're mostly liberal). I give you a 4/10.
 
2010-02-07 1:26:14 AM  

Outshined_One: Elbarfo: TheyCallThisWork: Personally, I'd like to know if one of my classmates is packing heat. It's just effin' weird. It's Portland. What's he afraid of? Owl attacks?

I'm sure they thought that in Virginia, too.

Honest question, what are the odds someone will Jack Bauer their way out of that sort of situation?

There have been times my mind has wandered about what would happen if I ever found myself in a scenario like that while conceal carrying. If I heard gunfire behind me, my first instinct would be to take cover. My second instinct would be to get the hell out of there. My third instinct would be to find a really good hiding place. Pulling out my gun and returning fire would be pretty far down the list. Doing so would make me an immediate and, depending on the circumstances, easy target for the gunman. I also would rather not hit any bystanders in returning fire. Moreover, if someone else with a gun sees me stand up and open fire, I could be mistaken for the gunman, or potentially an accomplice. All of those would be really bad things.

I understand the argument for CC as a deterrent against crime. I don't understand the argument for CC because it'll make you be the hero if someone decides to shoot up a school or office building or whatever.



Why would you be carrying in the first place then? There are always those considerations, and they're spelled out quite clearly when you take the classes to get the carry permit. At least, they are where I live. They also spell out quite clearly what to do if you actually do shoot someone, and more importantly, what *not* to do. Luckily, TN has laws to protect permit holders in that exact scenario...some states don't.

Let me get this straight...If you saw someone going around murdering innocents, and had the means to stop them, you would simply run away? If so, I don't believe you to be the type to carry anyway.

As far as carrying to be a hero, that's not really the argument I'm trying to make. It's not at all about being a hero, it's more about not allowing yourself to be a victim. In the doing of that, you might end up as one, but that's not the goal. Not mine, at least.

In the 12 years I have carried, I have only had to draw my weapon once. I was in a convenience store when a guy with a giant bowie knife decided he wanted to rob it. I held the guy at gunpoint for close to 10 minutes until the police arrived. 10 of the longest minutes of my life.

I got a few pats on the back, and it was back to life as normal. Both before and after that, I have had no reason to even think about the gun on my hip....but I'm glad it's there.
 
2010-02-07 1:27:37 AM  
The main reason for the school having a policy against guns on campus is liability. If they can say it's against the rules then they have something to defend in court.
 
2010-02-07 1:28:00 AM  

srhp29: CaptainFatass: What about the students who expressed their concern to the professor about this obvious nutcase-are they, too, "crazy" with a "history of reporting phantom threats"?

Where did it say the students told he professor they thought the guy was some sort of covert government informant?

Your tin foil hat must be made of some good stuff.


The guy was trying to convince students to make Molotov cocktails and buy illegal weapons. They went with their concerns to the professor, who has experience with covert government informants and, based on his experience, determined that he was a covert government informant. This is how the system is SUPPOSED to work!
 
2010-02-07 1:28:21 AM  

TheyCallThisWork: Next time you bag something at the UMF campus, I'll take back all my comments. I hear the campus is lush, and students often see rabbit and squirrel nearly year-round, with some migratory fowl starting in March and April.


I'd rather obey the law and maintain my right to bear arms, thanks. The drive is a two hour drive south of me and covers quite a few miles. There are more than one possible destinations and activities in a single route. It must be difficult to live in such a black and white world. Fortunately you have the ability to project your fears onto other people. Personally, I'm rather grateful to be sane and capable of engaging in critical thinking. Don't let the people scare you too much.
 
2010-02-07 1:28:37 AM  

UnspokenVoice: Tawnos: You know what doesn't belong on campus?

LOL I was hoping we'd nullified the idiocy but then you had to go and do that. Welcome to my favorite's list. I'd offer you a beer but the last one I poured onto the DSL box didn't really work out so well.


'sokay, I have my own supply here. Hard stuff tonight - woodford reserve bourbon right now. Enjoy your back-n-forth, I like to parody such thoughts but substitute other rights we often take for granted, but now it's time for some MW2.
 
2010-02-07 1:29:23 AM  

CaptainFatass: The guy was trying to convince students to make Molotov cocktails and buy illegal weapons. They went with their concerns to the professor


Really? Did the students know their "ECON" teacher had experience with Govt informants? Do you really think your teacher is who you should go to if you really think someone might be dangerous to society? Really? An Econ Professor?

Pull your hat down further, seriously.
 
2010-02-07 1:31:35 AM  

UnspokenVoice: Don't let the people scare you too much.


Watch out for ducks. ;)
 
2010-02-07 1:32:52 AM  

TheyCallThisWork: Tawnos: You know what doesn't belong on campus? Political T-shirts on non poli-sci students. I mean, it's not that I'm against free speech, I support it, but people going to school are there to learn whatever is being taught, not to engage in free speech.

Have you gone to college?

If you have, then you will remember that the whole point of it is the exchange of ideas through writing, reading and speaking. It's the perfect place to take advantage of your first amendment rights.

Second amendment rights are best exercised at a gun range, where, I presume, charged political discussion is not encouraged.


Cal Poly: SLO

You obviously don't know the purpose of the second amendment (or, in my new state of residence's case, Article 1 Section 24). It's not to be able to hunt or shoot guns at a range. You also are incorrect in assuming that vibrant political discussion is discouraged there. Usually it happens after, with beer, but it definitely happens and is even encouraged.
 
2010-02-07 1:32:58 AM  
Is it Zaki Bucharest?

Link (new window)
 
2010-02-07 1:35:10 AM  

Tawnos: UnspokenVoice: Tawnos: You know what doesn't belong on campus?

LOL I was hoping we'd nullified the idiocy but then you had to go and do that. Welcome to my favorite's list. I'd offer you a beer but the last one I poured onto the DSL box didn't really work out so well.

'sokay, I have my own supply here. Hard stuff tonight - woodford reserve bourbon right now. Enjoy your back-n-forth, I like to parody such thoughts but substitute other rights we often take for granted, but now it's time for some MW2.


Enjoy. I'm not a gamer oddly. OPB Nut Brown Ale tonight. I'm pretty sure it is a gift from the FSM or what have you but damn it is good beer.
 
2010-02-07 1:35:20 AM  

srhp29: CaptainFatass: The guy was trying to convince students to make Molotov cocktails and buy illegal weapons. They went with their concerns to the professor

Really? Did the students know their "ECON" teacher had experience with Govt informants? Do you really think your teacher is who you should go to if you really think someone might be dangerous to society? Really? An Econ Professor?

Pull your hat down further, seriously.


So...you're siding with the guy who tried to incite violence on campus, and tried to broker a deal to sell illegal firearms, and has been accused o being a covert government informants? Wow, do YOU come down on the wrong side of things.
 
2010-02-07 1:36:12 AM  

TheyCallThisWork: Beyond "just because," why would you bring a gun to school? It takes significantly less effort to just leave it under your pillow, so why go out of your way?


Oooh, Oooh, I got this one!

Because schools are where the crazy-but-surprisingly-clear-thinking people go when they want to have a murder spree with maximum body count.

The guy that killed four cops in Lakewood, WA had a plan, and that was: kill some cops at their usual cop hangout where they are absorbed in filling out their paperwork, then move onto other easy targets, like a school, then shooting people at an intersection. So says his family and acquaintances who he told this plan to. If one of the cops hadn't managed to tag him with a bullet before dying and slow him down, this crazy-but-surprisingly-clear-thinking spree murderer would have killed a lot more.

Schools are not a place that have a equal possibility of spree murderers arriving to cause mayhem as any other arbitrary place in the country. Thanks to the utter uselessness of school gun bans (considering other gun ownership restriction provisions already disqualify the under-21, the criminal and the drug users), these locations attract spree murderers. The wide media coverage of the horror of a school massacre just encourages the next crazy bastard, who hopes his name will go down as having exceeded the body count of Klebold and Harris. It's been 11 years, and I wasn't even in the country at the time: you know why I still know their names. That's the infamy the next spree murderer is looking for.

Look at the history of all the spree murders in the past twenty years, there's one common factor: they all stop as soon as one person starts shooting back. I won't say that it turns out well for that one, but overall it certainly turns out better for innocent population as a whole. You're in big trouble if the nearest person who can shoot back is a cop. A lot of unopposed murder can happen in the fifteen minutes it takes for him to get dispatched, on-site, oriented and waddle forward with the bat-belt a typical cop wears. (Honestly, these guys need better load bearing gear.)

For someone that has made a well-thought out decision to carry a concealed weapon, I don't "bring a gun to school", or "bring a gun to the super market" or any other inflammatory accusation you'd like to make. I just carry a gun, with no more emotional overtones than I wear socks. I don't make a big production out of "strapping on heat", I just get dressed, and that includes a .45 caliber handgun in a IWB holster.
 
2010-02-07 1:40:25 AM  

CaptainFatass: So...you're siding with the guy who tried to incite violence on campus


Where in the article did it say he was telling people to get violent. Some people are fascinated with bombs and guns...It said he told them how to make a molitov cocktail. It doesn't say he told them they should make one and use it to kill anyone, does it?

Do you really think the best course of action if you really think someone is capable of going apeshiat violent to confront them in a classroom full of people...especially if you know they often carry a weapon?

Sorry, but to me this sounds more like nutty professor reading too much into it than it does this guy was an FBI Informant out to get people to kill others.

If that makes me a CIA Schill...well I guess the bloody sock fits.
 
2010-02-07 1:40:43 AM  

Bitter Barn: Is it Zaki Bucharest?

Link (new window)


nice find... looks like a typical right-wing nut.
 
2010-02-07 1:44:33 AM  
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Sounds suspicious
 
2010-02-07 1:47:25 AM  

srhp29: CaptainFatass: So...you're siding with the guy who tried to incite violence on campus

Where in the article did it say he was telling people to get violent. Some people are fascinated with bombs and guns...It said he told them how to make a molitov cocktail. It doesn't say he told them they should make one and use it to kill anyone, does it?

Do you really think the best course of action if you really think someone is capable of going apeshiat violent to confront them in a classroom full of people...especially if you know they often carry a weapon?

Sorry, but to me this sounds more like nutty professor reading too much into it than it does this guy was an FBI Informant out to get people to kill others.

If that makes me a CIA Schill...well I guess the bloody sock fits.


Yeah, it makes you...something, alright. Look, if you think instructing students how to make Molotov cocktails and trying to sell them illegal weapons is appropriate campus behavior (hell, if you think that's appropriate behavior ANYWHERE-then you're farked.
 
2010-02-07 1:51:12 AM  

Ganthiel: Fully-automatic weapons are legal in Oregon - you can buy them at gun shops there. They are illegal in Washington - period.


Uh.. nope. Fully automatic is illegal here too.
 
2010-02-07 1:51:31 AM  

plausdeny: For someone that has made a well-thought out decision to carry a concealed weapon, I don't "bring a gun to school", or "bring a gun to the super market" or any other inflammatory accusation you'd like to make. I just carry a gun, with no more emotional overtones than I wear socks. I don't make a big production out of "strapping on heat", I just get dressed, and that includes a .45 caliber handgun in a IWB holster.


This!

/Only mine is a wittle bitty Beretta Tomcat :D
 
2010-02-07 1:51:42 AM  

Ganthiel: This part jumped out at me:

Dreier said Bucharest also offered to act as a middleman to help students buy military style rifles -- AR-15s or AK-47s -- through a gun dealer he knew in Washington and that he had access to machine guns.

Fully-automatic weapons are legal in Oregon - you can buy them at gun shops there. They are illegal in Washington - period.

Offering to help a bunch of Oregonians buy machine guns from a dealer in Washington is roughly like telling your friends who live in Las Vegas that you know of this awesome underground poker room in Utah.


I don't know where you get your information. It is unlawful to knowingly possess a machine gun, short-barreled rifle, or short-barreled shotgun, unless the firearm is registered as required under Federal law.
 
2010-02-07 1:52:13 AM  
500 bucks says he also believes bush "lied about WMD intelligence"
 
2010-02-07 1:55:03 AM  
Then things get weird

Subby wins Oscar for understatement
 
2010-02-07 2:00:54 AM  
Most of the articles "sources" is from the screwball professor and from one student who was interviewed multiple times, giving more outlandish details in each interview.

Kinda curious if we'll see any followup on this and what the truth actually is.
 
2010-02-07 2:03:03 AM  

strathmeyer: SuperCatBarf: I'm 40, in college, and I have no interaction outside of class with any fellow students--and I've never seen a moment when it might be nice to offer fellow students deals on guns or info on how to make Molotov Cocktails.

Their called "parties". Sometimes alcohol is served. Go to one.

Why are you guys giving any credibility to someone who is crazy and making things up?


As an "old guy" I never get invited to these "parties" you speak of. That said, if I went to one and some guy was offering instruction on making incendiaries and deals on weapons, I'd report it.

As an aside, you need to update your profile and keep your personal info more private.
 
2010-02-07 2:09:34 AM  

Arthur Jumbles: FloydA: That's disturbing.

From the sound of it, the prof mishandled the situation dreadfully. If he was concerned for students' (or his own) safety, he should have gone to the cops.

If the student was really bringing concealed firearms to campus and talking to others about Molotov cocktails and automatic weapons, then he was a legitimate threat. Even if it was just "tough guy" BS, it merits investigation.

I doubt that the student was an FBI informant; probably just some crazy, but crazies are dangerous.

There were many cases in the 60s of the FBI and local police departments sending in undercover agents to infiltrate student groups and try to influence them to commit acts of violence so they could be arrested. If the professor truly believed the student was an undercover agent then going through the proper chain of command would have been useless..... by going public in front of a large group of people he virtually assured that the guy's cover was blown.

Sure, he might have harmed his career if he's proved wrong but he did it in a non-violent way and no one will suffer except himself. Wish we had more people who were willing to make self-sacrfices for personal freedom and liberty.


Agent provocateur.
 
2010-02-07 2:19:06 AM  

srhp29: CaptainFatass: So...you're siding with the guy who tried to incite violence on campus

Where in the article did it say he was telling people to get violent. Some people are fascinated with bombs and guns...It said he told them how to make a molitov cocktail. It doesn't say he told them they should make one and use it to kill anyone, does it?

Do you really think the best course of action if you really think someone is capable of going apeshiat violent to confront them in a classroom full of people...especially if you know they often carry a weapon?

Sorry, but to me this sounds more like nutty professor reading too much into it than it does this guy was an FBI Informant out to get people to kill others.

If that makes me a CIA Schill...well I guess the bloody sock fits.


Didn't you read my post, I already pointed out that the guys a troll. I'ma have to raise my rating from a 4/10 to an 8/10 with all the other bites he's getting.

He's now:
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2010-02-07 2:19:19 AM  
Here's something interesting from this article (new window):

After a time of silence, Bucharest got up and said that some of Hall's claims about his military background were true, but that other claims the professor made were not. Bucharest left the classroom after being told by Hall to leave and not to come back to PSU, according to students.

I'd be interested to hear what claims were true and which ones aren't. I tend to think there really is something to this story.
 
2010-02-07 2:21:28 AM  

CaptainFatass: (hell, if you think that's appropriate behavior ANYWHERE-then you're farked.


I didn't say it was appropriate. But if you think the professor's behavior and huge leap to conclusion is approriate, the you're farked.
 
2010-02-07 2:22:17 AM  

Epiphany: Didn't you read my post, I already pointed out that the guys a troll. I'ma have to raise my rating from a 4/10 to an 8/10 with all the other bites he's getting.


I dunno...if someone really believes something, they aren't a troll. They really believe it. There is a HUGE difference.
 
2010-02-07 2:23:24 AM  

SuperCatBarf: That said, if I went to one and some guy was offering instruction on making incendiaries and deals on weapons, I'd report it.


You would report it to your Econ prof?
 
2010-02-07 2:25:29 AM  

srhp29: Epiphany: Didn't you read my post, I already pointed out that the guys a troll. I'ma have to raise my rating from a 4/10 to an 8/10 with all the other bites he's getting.

I dunno...if someone really believes something, they aren't a troll. They really believe it. There is a HUGE difference.


The guy started out saying something about Obama, ignored my troll call out, and has said more and more ridiculous shiat in each consecutive post. Clearly a troll.
 
2010-02-07 2:27:36 AM  
CaptainFatass:

Do you really believe what you are posting or are you really just trolling as epiphany believes?
 
2010-02-07 2:28:12 AM  

CaptainFatass: srhp29: CaptainFatass: So...you're siding with the guy who tried to incite violence on campus

Where in the article did it say he was telling people to get violent. Some people are fascinated with bombs and guns...It said he told them how to make a molitov cocktail. It doesn't say he told them they should make one and use it to kill anyone, does it?

Do you really think the best course of action if you really think someone is capable of going apeshiat violent to confront them in a classroom full of people...especially if you know they often carry a weapon?

Sorry, but to me this sounds more like nutty professor reading too much into it than it does this guy was an FBI Informant out to get people to kill others.

If that makes me a CIA Schill...well I guess the bloody sock fits.

Yeah, it makes you...something, alright. Look, if you think instructing students how to make Molotov cocktails and trying to sell them illegal weapons is appropriate campus behavior (hell, if you think that's appropriate behavior ANYWHERE-then you're farked.


We call that moving the goalposts around here. Now you're saying it isn't okay - it isn't really but information is information up until you do something with it but that's a step beyond your level of reasoning I'm sure - but what seems to have been said is that you're flat out insane to believe that this person is an agent of the United States government without further evidence. Truly.Completely.Insane...
 
2010-02-07 2:31:07 AM  

srhp29: SuperCatBarf: That said, if I went to one and some guy was offering instruction on making incendiaries and deals on weapons, I'd report it.

You would report it to your Econ prof?


If I was 19 and the guy was in my class, I probably would. Who would you go to? Some administrator who'd dismiss you as just another paranoid kid?
 
2010-02-07 2:32:55 AM  

SuperCatBarf: If I was 19 and the guy was in my class, I probably would. Who would you go to? Some administrator who'd dismiss you as just another paranoid kid?


Perhaps someone with some authority to do anything about it? If they were really frightened and thought he was dangerous, I think going to the Econ professor is pretty much ignorant.
 
2010-02-07 2:32:56 AM  

srhp29: CaptainFatass:

Do you really believe what you are posting or are you really just trolling as epiphany believes?


Hmm... I think we got our orders mixed up. I was character assassination and you were disinformation or did I get that backwards?
 
2010-02-07 2:33:31 AM  
Ok check this out... first, go to Google's cached page of PSU's Student Veteran Association's about us page (new window). You will see him listed as the treasurer, along with his e-mail address. Now, go to the actual page (new window) today and see that he has been replaced and it no longer lists his name or e-maill address. It has been replaced within the last 10 days because the Google cache page is from Jan 25.

I also found his youtube page (new window) where he states:

Member of IDF special forces. I am now studying in the USA. I support all things Jewish and anti-terrorist, especially SERBIA!!! They are fighting the same war Israel has been for longer even. I

Hobbies: Sniping, CQB, counter-terrorism training, hostage rescue, explosives, weight lifting, swimming, reading, music, cooking, languages
 
2010-02-07 2:37:07 AM  

UnspokenVoice: srhp29: CaptainFatass:

Do you really believe what you are posting or are you really just trolling as epiphany believes?

Hmm... I think we got our orders mixed up. I was character assassination and you were disinformation or did I get that backwards?


Oh crap. Wrong window. Abort Rose Red Tea. Repeat! Abort Rose Red Tea!

/blames beer
 
2010-02-07 2:40:16 AM  

justoneznot: Ok check this out...


Here ya go...

http://pipl.com/search/?Email=tzhkperez%40yahoo.com&CategoryID=4&Inter​face=1

Cut and paste.
 
2010-02-07 2:46:08 AM  

srhp29: SuperCatBarf: If I was 19 and the guy was in my class, I probably would. Who would you go to? Some administrator who'd dismiss you as just another paranoid kid?

Perhaps someone with some authority to do anything about it? If they were really frightened and thought he was dangerous, I think going to the Econ professor is pretty much ignorant.


I understand the point you're trying to make, but you need to step back and realize that many students see a professor as someone in a position of authority. You can argue as you like, but I interact with 18-22+ year-old kids daily, and they don't think in the terms you're suggesting.

They want to speak to someone they're familiar with if they're going to speak to an "authority figure." The chances of more than one kid speaking to the same alternative authority figure on campus are slim. If several students contact multiple authority figures, the chances of them discussing the problem are even more remote. A tenured professor--in fact, any single teacher at all--seems to me to be a pretty sane option for a worried student, or multiple students, to contact.
 
2010-02-07 2:51:39 AM  

SuperCatBarf: They want to speak to someone they're familiar with if they're going to speak to an "authority figure." The chances of more than one kid speaking to the same alternative authority figure on campus are slim. If several students contact multiple authority figures, the chances of them discussing the problem are even more remote. A tenured professor--in fact, any single teacher at all--seems to me to be a pretty sane option for a worried student, or multiple students, to contact.


Well I am still unsure as to which law the dude was breaking and you aren't going to say anything to make me believe the way the professor dealt with it was intelligent...and I still think he is making quite a leap to FBI Informant.

Also, I was 18-22 in college at one point in my life, and my professors would not have been someone I went to with that information. But that's just me.
 
2010-02-07 3:00:12 AM  
Huh, sounds like crazy ex-hippie professor met crazy militia-wannabe student.

Tenured professors do go insane, on occasion, and it can be difficult to oust them. There was one at my school, who was kicked out with some effort. He ended up being the neighborhood madman. Marching around in a dirty trenchcoat, a large umbrella in front of his face, singing an insult song at high volume. Kind of amusing until you saw him running up to vulnerable people (like children and the disabled) and shouting insults at them.
 
2010-02-07 3:04:20 AM  
So if we don't see GaryPDX post for a while, it's safe to assume that he is Zach?
 
2010-02-07 3:04:40 AM  

CaptainFatass: Yeah, it makes you...something, alright. Look, if you think instructing students how to make Molotov cocktails and trying to sell them illegal weapons is appropriate campus behavior (hell, if you think that's appropriate behavior ANYWHERE-then you're farked.


Back from MW2.

How to make a Molotov Cocktail:
Take glass bottle. Add flammable, preferably explosive liquid (gas, alcohol, etc). Soak rag in liquid, plug bottle with rag. Light rag. Throw.

How to get illegal weapons:
Find drug dealer. Ask for their supplier, say you need something they probably don't have. Pay cash.

Alternatively: download plans for M-4. Mill out of aluminum. Download plans for AK-47. Make out of sheet metal.
 
2010-02-07 3:09:17 AM  

srhp29: SuperCatBarf: They want to speak to someone they're familiar with if they're going to speak to an "authority figure." The chances of more than one kid speaking to the same alternative authority figure on campus are slim. If several students contact multiple authority figures, the chances of them discussing the problem are even more remote. A tenured professor--in fact, any single teacher at all--seems to me to be a pretty sane option for a worried student, or multiple students, to contact.

Well I am still unsure as to which law the dude was breaking and you aren't going to say anything to make me believe the way the professor dealt with it was intelligent...and I still think he is making quite a leap to FBI Informant.

Also, I was 18-22 in college at one point in my life, and my professors would not have been someone I went to with that information. But that's just me.


I don't see where I said the professor's reaction was intelligent, because I only suggested his view be taken seriously. If you can point out otherwise, please do so.

I feel that way because the claims against the offending 30-year-old student include offers of instruction in making Molitov Cocktails and access to weapons. Despite your college experience, these are not normal things for a 30-year-old to discuss with 18-22 year-olds.

I was 18-19 in college once, and if some guy started talking to me about serious weaponry I'd have thought he was a nutcase. If I were a kid today hearing the same, I'd wonder if he was a terrorist. At 40 and in college, I'd discuss my concerns first with my teacher, then get advice from them where to go next.

Where would you have gone first?
 
2010-02-07 3:13:39 AM  

srhp29: CaptainFatass:

Do you really believe what you are posting or are you really just trolling as epiphany believes?


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2010-02-07 3:16:20 AM  

Epiphany: srhp29: CaptainFatass:

Do you really believe what you are posting or are you really just trolling as epiphany believes?


Now you appear to be trolling, so because I said so...it must be so. Or is that only a rule that applies to things YOU say?
 
2010-02-07 3:23:51 AM  
srhp29, you're taking too long to respond. I'm going to go back to having a fun night, and will consider you owned.

Here's why:

 
2010-02-07 3:28:19 AM  

srhp29: Epiphany: srhp29: CaptainFatass:

Do you really believe what you are posting or are you really just trolling as epiphany believes?

Now you appear to be trolling, so because I said so...it must be so. Or is that only a rule that applies to things YOU say?


SuperCatBarf: srhp29, you're taking too long to respond. I'm going to go back to having a fun night, and will consider you owned.

Here's why:


I warned ya.

/troll
//call em like I see em
 
2010-02-07 3:30:34 AM  

Epiphany: srhp29: Epiphany: srhp29: CaptainFatass:

Do you really believe what you are posting or are you really just trolling as epiphany believes?

Now you appear to be trolling, so because I said so...it must be so. Or is that only a rule that applies to things YOU say?

SuperCatBarf: srhp29, you're taking too long to respond. I'm going to go back to having a fun night, and will consider you owned.

Here's why:

I warned ya.

/troll
//call em like I see em


Consider me suckered.
 
2010-02-07 3:31:52 AM  
Also, drunk.
 
2010-02-07 3:32:37 AM  

SuperCatBarf: Epiphany: srhp29: Epiphany: srhp29: CaptainFatass:

Do you really believe what you are posting or are you really just trolling as epiphany believes?

Now you appear to be trolling, so because I said so...it must be so. Or is that only a rule that applies to things YOU say?

SuperCatBarf: srhp29, you're taking too long to respond. I'm going to go back to having a fun night, and will consider you owned.

Here's why:

I warned ya.

/troll
//call em like I see em

Consider me suckered.


I accidentally the whole thing. I thought you were CaptainFatass, SuperCatBarf, three syllables, I think I need sleep.
 
2010-02-07 3:39:24 AM  
Here, chug this glass of booze. :)
 
2010-02-07 4:14:54 AM  

erewhon: Bi-zui! BAI-tuo, AN-jing-eedyen! Dong-ma?


Oh, I comprende alright...

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2010-02-07 4:25:00 AM  

srhp29: FBI Agent != FBI Informant. Totally different things.


You're correct. Doesn't make the professor's actions any less crazy.
 
2010-02-07 4:25:46 AM  

Ganthiel: This part jumped out at me:


Dreier said Bucharest also offered to act as a middleman to help students buy military style rifles -- AR-15s or AK-47s -- through a gun dealer he knew in Washington and that he had access to machine guns.


Fully-automatic weapons are legal in Oregon - you can buy them at gun shops there. They are illegal in Washington - period.

Offering to help a bunch of Oregonians buy machine guns from a dealer in Washington is roughly like telling your friends who live in Las Vegas that you know of this awesome underground poker room in Utah.


Because there couldn't possibly be any reason to buy a gun through any place other than a legit gun shop, right?
 
2010-02-07 4:36:55 AM  

Monty845: Molotov Cocktails - Hardly a secret how to make em

Assualt Rifles - Legal in much of the country, easily avaible

Machine Gun - BIG RED FLAG... assuming we are talking about a real machine gun, and assuming a student doesn't have $20k+ to get one legally, there is either something going on there, or someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.


You can find machine guns for a lot less than $20k. Most are between $4k-$16k, one model is $1699. Link (new window)
 
2010-02-07 5:04:35 AM  
If the Professor truly thought that he was an informant then he did the right thing.

If he would have gone to the authorities, it would have been pointless, the authorities put the informant there in the first place.

If he would have gone to his superiors, eventually his superiors would have given him the order to ignore him or transferred him to another class and would have told him to keep his mouth shut. And if the disobeyed it would have cost him his job.

So as you can see, indeed the smartest choice was to blow his cover which ultimately would force him to leave his post, well, that is if he's really an informant.
 
2010-02-07 5:22:48 AM  
From wikipedia on agent provocateurs'

In the United States, the COINTELPRO program of the Federal Bureau of Investigation had FBI agents pose as political radicals to disrupt the activities of radical political groups in the U.S., such as the Black Panthers, Ku Klux Klan, and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee.
New York City police officers were accused of acting as agents provocateurs during protests against the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York City.[1]
Denver police officers were also found to have used undercover detectives to instigate violence against police during the 2008 Democratic National Convention. This ultimately resulted in the accidental use of chemical agents against their own men.[2]
[edit]
 
2010-02-07 5:27:50 AM  
Bucharest is ex Israeli Military. Claiming he's an FBI agent is getting a little too specific. Without more information, theres just an off putting smell about the whole situation, and a lot of loose details which, if assembled in a particular fashion, may have led this professor to believe that Bucharest was an agent provocateur. He certainly seems to be a pretty douchey guy. Anybody supportive of genocide is probably an asshole (comments in ref. to Serbia on youtube account). None of this necessarily implies that he's an "agent". Basically, this is totally full of fail for everyone.
 
2010-02-07 6:00:18 AM  
justoneznot
Ok check this out... first, go to Google's cached page of PSU's Student Veteran Association's about us page (new window). You will see him listed as the treasurer, along with his e-mail address. Now, go to the actual page (new window) today and see that he has been replaced and it no longer lists his name or e-maill address. It has been replaced within the last 10 days because the Google cache page is from Jan 25.

You are a better investigative reporter than the entire newspaper industry put together.
 
2010-02-07 6:06:30 AM  
TINC.

/obscure anyone?
 
2010-02-07 7:34:44 AM  
Someone needs to check the water in Portland.
 
2010-02-07 9:24:52 AM  
It's hard to apply Occam's razor to this hairy knot of weirdness, but I'm going to go with "tinfoil-hatted professor takes seriously nutbag special-forces-wannabe's boasts of connections.
 
2010-02-07 9:25:43 AM  
Suppose Bucharest had had an Arab name?

Discuss.
 
2010-02-07 10:18:22 AM  
He is the founder of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH)

NARTH!

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2010-02-07 10:25:27 AM  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLCrlWXv1x8&feature=player_embedded#

he speaks.
 
2010-02-07 10:31:37 AM  
I get more of a walter mitty vibe from the guy than anything.
 
2010-02-07 11:04:29 AM  
I can't believe no one's brought up the Nimbus Dam plot yet. Zach sounds a lot like "Anna".

I'm not making an argument about Eric McDavid's guilt or innocence, just saying the FBI still does things like what the professor accuses.
 
2010-02-07 11:12:08 AM  
I've had people declare that I was an undercover police officer.

Once, by a black kid who was standing outside of a 7-11 in downtown Denver. I walked into the place and got a cup of coffee (no doughnut -- I swear) and then I walked out and the kid started yelling, "HELLO, OFFICER! ARE YOU HAVING A NICE NIGHT, OFFICER?" over and over.

Another time was in Lincoln, Nebraska. I walked into a bar looking for a friend. The place was packed with young white yuppie-types. Then one guy decides to impress his friends by yelling, "HELLO, OFFICER!" to me.

Nope, I'm not a cop and never have been, bt I'll bet both of those guys love to tell their buddies awesome stories about their mad street-skillz and tremendous heroism in the face of The Man.
 
2010-02-07 11:34:33 AM  

srhp29: CaptainFatass: So...you're siding with the guy who tried to incite violence on campus

Where in the article did it say he was telling people to get violent. Some people are fascinated with bombs and guns...It said he told them how to make a molitov cocktail. It doesn't say he told them they should make one and use it to kill anyone, does it?

Do you really think the best course of action if you really think someone is capable of going apeshiat violent to confront them in a classroom full of people...especially if you know they often carry a weapon?

Sorry, but to me this sounds more like nutty professor reading too much into it than it does this guy was an FBI Informant out to get people to kill others.

If that makes me a CIA Schill...well I guess the bloody sock fits.


See I actually agree with this. I'm not going to call the Mythbusters terrorists. I love watching what happens when someone says "fire in the hole." "All Clear" is pretty cool too. Shooting a gun at a safe target is a helluva lot of fun.
 
2010-02-07 11:37:28 AM  

savage_world: I've had people declare that I was an undercover police officer.

Once, by a black kid who was standing outside of a 7-11 in downtown Denver. I walked into the place and got a cup of coffee (no doughnut -- I swear) and then I walked out and the kid started yelling, "HELLO, OFFICER! ARE YOU HAVING A NICE NIGHT, OFFICER?" over and over.

Another time was in Lincoln, Nebraska. I walked into a bar looking for a friend. The place was packed with young white yuppie-types. Then one guy decides to impress his friends by yelling, "HELLO, OFFICER!" to me.

Nope, I'm not a cop and never have been, bt I'll bet both of those guys love to tell their buddies awesome stories about their mad street-skillz and tremendous heroism in the face of The Man.


You should have punched the guy in the face, then started yelling "police brutality, police brutality, biatch!"
 
2010-02-07 11:39:48 AM  

roflmaonow: Had a roommate once who was a chronic pot smoker and once in his pot induced haze came to my room and told me that he has a secret that I should not tell anyone. He went on to say that he worked for the FBI and has samurai swords in his closet, if I was ever to mention of this I would be beheaded.


Did he tell you this around or after October 2001? (new window)
 
2010-02-07 12:15:37 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: You should have punched the guy in the face, then started yelling "police brutality, police brutality, biatch!"


Ha! whop! whop! "That's Officer Savage, precinct 3, beeyotch!" whop! whop! "Make sure you farking spell it right on the complaint, asshole!" whop! whop!

(later) "I'm here to file a complaint - mean old Officer Savage beat the crap out of me!"

"Who the fark is Officer Savage?"
 
2010-02-07 2:11:00 PM  

srhp29: SuperCatBarf: That said, if I went to one and some guy was offering instruction on making incendiaries and deals on weapons, I'd report it.

You would report it to your Econ prof?



Let me put it this way.

I'm a teacher. If one of my students was talking about making bombs and purchasing illegal firearms and he was also carrying firearms in my classroom, and if his classmates knew about it, I would most definitely want them to tell me.

I would not respond the same way that Prof. Hall did (mostly for the safety of my students), but I would definitely want to know.

Hall might be paranoid, I don't know. That doesn't mean that Bucharest is sane or safe to be around. It is possible that Hall is crazy. It is possible that Bucharest is crazy. It is even possible that both of them are crazy, so finding that one of them is crazy does not excuse the other.
 
2010-02-07 2:28:38 PM  

xuanzhiyouxuan: loonatic112358: also, what would have happened if someone screened, what is the frequency kenneth?

Exactly, the professor should have done some basic counter-surveillance and possibly a sting along the opposite lines of what erehwon was suggesting. At the very least some kind of device to jam kenneth bucharest's frequency (I'm thinking vintage marconi transmitter, you know, with the nice varnished wood and brass bits). Then confront the student and hand him the packet.


the reference, you do not get
 
2010-02-07 2:43:15 PM  

loonatic112358: sithon: I don't know about FBI informant but something was up with that guy. maybe dominionist or terrorist trying to recruit from impressionable youth.

that or pot user who was worried about being narced out


In Portland, cops wont arrest you or even take you weed from you if it's less than an ounce.

Next theory?
 
2010-02-07 3:34:17 PM  

loonatic112358: the reference, you do not get


Of course I do, it's one of my favorite media celebrity-related stories of all time. I was just riffing and drunk.
 
2010-02-07 8:44:43 PM  
After reading the story, the comments there, this thread, and the most excellent FARK-based research (the guy's youtube profile, video of his speech) I gotta say he's sketch. Real sketch. Who talks of revolution but without the emotion that always comes with the anti-corporate rhetoric. That was an act. He's not an activist, he's something else, but I'd hesitate at this point to declare exactly what. He's got his rhetoric down, but he's far too polished to just be some student grass-roots organizer or whatever.

I love the FARK-based researchers on these news stories, you guys totally make my day.
 
2010-02-08 12:51:27 AM  

plantae: After reading the story, the comments there, this thread, and the most excellent FARK-based research (the guy's youtube profile, video of his speech) I gotta say he's sketch. Real sketch. Who talks of revolution but without the emotion that always comes with the anti-corporate rhetoric. That was an act. He's not an activist, he's something else, but I'd hesitate at this point to declare exactly what. He's got his rhetoric down, but he's far too polished to just be some student grass-roots organizer or whatever.

I love the FARK-based researchers on these news stories, you guys totally make my day.



Claiming ties to campus police? IDF? Serbia of all farking places? Trying to show off molotov-coktail-making knowledge (as if that's some sort of complicated device) to random students? He's all over the place.

He's a badaass-wannabe or deluded nut who's not even clear on what side he's supposedly on; he just acts out his fantasy of being a badass of some sort or another-- the details of such delusions don't have to be self-consistent if you're suffering from schizophrenia or something of the sort, as it all seems to fit together perfectly logical and evident pattern in such a person's mind.

I wouldn't even be surprised if the professor confronted him privately first, and the nutjob warned the professor "Don't interfere with me-- I'm here on official FBI business". The professor, thinking back to his East Germany days (the Stasi really did have a mind-bogglingly extensive network of informants, many of them assigned to chacking up on each other) takes the guy seriously and decides to go public with the supposed knowledge.

Mr. Bucharest needs a psychiatric evaluation. The professor too perhaps.

An open question is to what degree did the guy believe his own bs-- was he completely deluded, or was he aware at some level that it was nonsense but couldn't resist an intense compulsion to seek attention?


Gyrfalcon: Look, they're both nuts, the students who didn't think the wacko student who was always talking about guns & bombs should have been at least MENTIONED to the cops are psycho, and all of you worried that wacko student might "really" have been COINTELPRO need to add another layer to your tinfoil hat before the cosmic mind rays get to you.

I find it most alarming that all the people who "knew" Zach Bucharest from Budapest or whatever was running around talking about the next Red uprising didn't seem to feel this warranted any kind of mention to the authorities. Because these are the same people who, after ol' Zach finally shot up his dorm or half the Poli-Sci class, were going to say "Oh, but he seemed like such a normal guy," or "OMG, we never saw it coming."

Meanwhile, all you flaky gun nuts here would be going on and on about how more should have been done, why couldn't he have been stopped, they should never have let him blah blah blah. Yeah, FINALLY one of these bozos got stopped (maybe) before it was too late...by accident...because his prof was crazier than him...and not because anyone who knew anything actually did something about it.



Pretty much this.
 
2010-02-08 1:04:52 AM  
as it all seems to fit together in a perfectly logical and evident pattern in such a person's mind.

ftfm
 
2010-02-09 10:19:59 AM  
It sounds like the Prof is having some PTSD style flashbacks to his student days at Berkeley or Cornell. Or he went of his meds. Either way, if you DID BELIEVE that Zach was everything the Prof believed he was, he handled it poorly.

I was the subby, FTW...
 
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