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(ABC News)   You still have a better chance of playing pick-up sticks with your butt cheeks than making your flight back east in time for Christmas, but at least now you won't have to spend 12 hours sitting in a stranded airplane doing it   ( divider line
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2009-12-21 03:23:36 PM  

LemSkroob: There are often other issues at work here...

spmkk: Alright, a bit of explanation (I don't work in aviation, but I am a pilot and know a little about what goes on "behind the scenes"):

I think you're cherry-picking a couple of very specific examples to make a point--and if the point is "it's not perfect", no problem. But there are plenty of problems capable of being anticipated. If O'Hare is snowed in, the window of opportunity for landing isn't going to be tiny window--it's rare weather conditions will alter that rapidly. If you know there is going to be a delay, leave the empty plane out of the gate, rather than fill it with people.

Sure, there are examples where there is nothing to be done. I accept that. Logistics for a network that big have got to be a massive beast. But I refuse to believe there isn't a better solution than stranding a plane on the tarmac for 3+ hours.
2009-12-21 03:25:48 PM  
One of the main reasons why I try to avoid flying is the fact they can lock you up in a plane for hours on end.

I have been on flights where we sat on the runway longer than it would have taken me to drive to the destination. If they know the plane is going to be delayed that long they should have just let us off so we could have made other arrangements. Flying is like being in a farking prison.
2009-12-21 03:26:02 PM  
You know, you steal things all year long and they say nothing. But then you snatch a few gifs at Christmas time and suddenly you have a knickname.
2009-12-21 03:32:51 PM  

vodka: Flying is like being in a farking prison.

Except the sex is better.
2009-12-21 03:38:03 PM  

dogfood: Only been stuck once on the tarmac, for 5 hours due to weather.

They made us watch Miss Congeniality. That was a tough one.

I think I was on that flight. Newark airport?
2009-12-21 04:21:51 PM  
no pics? fark this site has gone to shiat
2009-12-21 04:52:04 PM  

Jacobin: Hmmm.

Drive to the airport .... one hour?
Check in one hour early .... one hour
Sit on tarmac for 7 hours .... seven hours
Actual plane flight ..... two hours?
Rent car and drive from airport to
destination .... two hours?

13 hours portal to portal for a two hour flight?

Are the airlines trying to force people to drive?

Numbers don't work for coast to coast flights, obviously

No, but they managed to get the government to try and implement bullet trains. The amount of flights that go from Austin to Dallas just to fly somewhere else is completely retarded, however. We're trying to get to Charleston from Austin and basically we'd end up flying from Austin to Dallas to Charlotte to Charleston. How about instead of flying 200 miles to a hub airport anyone can drive to, you fly to an east coast hub?
2009-12-21 05:17:39 PM  

NotARocketScientist: FTFA: The agency says carriers will be exempt from the fines if a pilot believes safety or security is at risk or if air traffic controllers advise the pilot not to return to the terminal.

also FTFA: The rules also require airlines to provide food and water to passengers within two hours of a delay, keep the lavatories functional and provide medical attention to passengers who may need it

I wonder which has priority, the air traffic controllers or the full toilets.

Obviously the controllers.

\shiatter's full!
2009-12-21 05:21:21 PM  

spmkk: Alright, a bit of explanation (I don't work in aviation, but I am a pilot and know a little about what goes on "behind the scenes"):

True - sometimes there may not be a delay on the ground. However, that does NOT mean the delay is not caused by congestion.

Here's how it works. When you're flying IFR (instrument flight rules, which govern nearly every commercial flight), you submit a request for clearance to air traffic control (ATC), and must wait for the clearance before taking off. Since IFR flights follow predefined airways - essentially mapped streets and intersections in the sky - they have to make sure there's actually room for you on all the roads along your path before they give you the green light.

I got most of the way through IFR certification, so I have a GED in aviation. I'd like to add that there is prescribed spacing on these airways. I believe it's one or two minutes in good weather, but four to ten in bad weather. If Chicago is a little cooler than expected and fogged in all morning, all those flight plans that were filed overnight need to be adjusted for the fewer landings per hour allowed in bad weather. Your jet going from Newark to Chicago will have to wait to get that spacing needed behind that jet flying from Atlanta to Chicago. That can add up.

LemSkroob: Even if they could, Alitalia does not keep groundstaff at JFK 24/7 for just 2 flights. After the flight pulls out, the staff most likely go home. There is nobody there to re-board the plane, or off-load luggage, etc.

Every thing else is correct, but I wouldn't think Alitalia would have any staff at JFK, instead sub-contracting a ground crew from AirFrance. If the crew is busy with an AirFrance flight, they're not going to deal with an Alitalia flight. Every single gate does not have its own ground crew.
2009-12-21 06:36:54 PM  
I get to fly out Christmas Eve from Denver to Chicago on to Saginaw.

Just in time to meet a winter storm watch that could dump over 8 inches on the Front Range, then will basically shadow my movement across the country. After a week and a half of absolutely gorgeous weather and temps pushing 50.

This is why I could never be an atheist: some asshat up there is setting this shiat up on purpose, I know it.

/squats over pick-up sticks
2009-12-21 07:29:14 PM  

The Air Transport Association, an industry trade group, said today that airlines would comply with the new rules, but that passengers will pay a price in more cancelled flights.

"In particular, the requirement of having planes return to the gates within a three hour window or face significant fines is inconsistent with our goal of completing as many flights as possible," said ATA president and CEO James C. May in a statement.

Listen, you dipshiat. If you can't manage to get an airliner loaded and in the air within THREE HOURS, what the hell are you doing in the airline business?

/Efficiency? Never heard of it.
2009-12-21 08:20:02 PM  

spmkk: Since presumably the idea is to make the situation better, not worse - care to explain how NOT pushing away from the gate and getting in that line on the tarmac would get the passengers to their destination any sooner?

Here's an idea: If you know the farking plane cannot take off for 3 hours, LET PEOPLE STAY IN THE FARKING AIRPORT UNTIL IT CAN.

2009-12-22 07:55:12 AM  

irwin_m: Yes. But it's hard to tell what with the gauges all melted. Radio is clear as a bell though.

Classic. My other favorite:
How do they know which way we're going?

"He's drunk!"

"What do you think the temperature is?"

2009-12-22 08:08:37 AM  

Stile4aly: Fish in a Barrel: "Trains, Planes and Automobiles": both John Candy and Steve Martin's greatest movie ever?

Wait wait wait. I count five responses to this message, and no one has pointed out that it's "Planes, Trains, and Automobiles"?

It's one of those rare movies that you recognize by quotes alone.
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