LemSkroob: There are often other issues at work here...
spmkk: Alright, a bit of explanation (I don't work in aviation, but I am a pilot and know a little about what goes on "behind the scenes"):
vodka: Flying is like being in a farking prison.
dogfood: Only been stuck once on the tarmac, for 5 hours due to weather.They made us watch Miss Congeniality. That was a tough one.
Jacobin: Hmmm.Drive to the airport .... one hour?Check in one hour early .... one hourSit on tarmac for 7 hours .... seven hoursActual plane flight ..... two hours?Rent car and drive from airport todestination .... two hours?13 hours portal to portal for a two hour flight?Are the airlines trying to force people to drive?Numbers don't work for coast to coast flights, obviously
NotARocketScientist: FTFA: The agency says carriers will be exempt from the fines if a pilot believes safety or security is at risk or if air traffic controllers advise the pilot not to return to the terminal.also FTFA: The rules also require airlines to provide food and water to passengers within two hours of a delay, keep the lavatories functional and provide medical attention to passengers who may need itI wonder which has priority, the air traffic controllers or the full toilets.
spmkk: Alright, a bit of explanation (I don't work in aviation, but I am a pilot and know a little about what goes on "behind the scenes"):True - sometimes there may not be a delay on the ground. However, that does NOT mean the delay is not caused by congestion.Here's how it works. When you're flying IFR (instrument flight rules, which govern nearly every commercial flight), you submit a request for clearance to air traffic control (ATC), and must wait for the clearance before taking off. Since IFR flights follow predefined airways - essentially mapped streets and intersections in the sky - they have to make sure there's actually room for you on all the roads along your path before they give you the green light.
LemSkroob: Even if they could, Alitalia does not keep groundstaff at JFK 24/7 for just 2 flights. After the flight pulls out, the staff most likely go home. There is nobody there to re-board the plane, or off-load luggage, etc.
spmkk: Since presumably the idea is to make the situation better, not worse - care to explain how NOT pushing away from the gate and getting in that line on the tarmac would get the passengers to their destination any sooner?
irwin_m: Yes. But it's hard to tell what with the gauges all melted. Radio is clear as a bell though.Classic. My other favorite:How do they know which way we're going?
Stile4aly: Fish in a Barrel: "Trains, Planes and Automobiles": both John Candy and Steve Martin's greatest movie ever?Wait wait wait. I count five responses to this message, and no one has pointed out that it's "Planes, Trains, and Automobiles"?
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