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2009-12-21 5:27:10 AM  
I'm pretty sure it's just assumed to be bundled with use, like Klingon or Esperanto.
 
2009-12-21 5:31:27 AM  
Is there a way to say "get a life"?
 
2009-12-21 5:36:19 AM  

farkeruk: Is there a way to say "get a life"?


ne tìrey.
 
2009-12-21 5:42:17 AM  
So is this movie actually worth seeing?

And I mean really, really worth seeing. All I've really WANTED to see this year has been Star Trek, District 9, Inglorious Basterds, and probably Sherlock Holmes, and all I've ACTUALLY cared enough to stir myself and go see was Star Trek.

Is this another Star Wars or Lord of the Rings that you HAVE to go and see because it's epic, or is it what it looks like - a fairly predictable Ferngully remake with prettier graphics? I've always liked Cameron's stuff (even Titanic, ignoring the stupid love story in between the awesome recreation of the sinking), but this film just isn't grabbing me from the previews.
 
2009-12-21 5:45:53 AM  

DemonEater: a fairly predictable Ferngully remake with prettier graphics?


I'd pitch it as "Dances with Wolves-IIIIIIN SPAAAAAAAAAACE!"

But I haven't seen it.
 
2009-12-21 5:51:16 AM  
Adjectives are invariant and undeclined. A derivational prefix forms adjectives out of other parts of speech.

Apart from the painstaking effort Paul Frommer put into making the language, this right here saved him a little bit of work.
 
2009-12-21 5:59:49 AM  
 
2009-12-21 6:00:50 AM  
"So is this movie actually worth seeing?"

Yes.
 
2009-12-21 6:02:38 AM  

soze: Found a web-based translator.


awesome!

English: suck my fat cock
Translation: suck my fat cock
 
2009-12-21 6:12:21 AM  
Is there a phrase for "HEY! LISTEN!"?

/joke shamelessly stolen from whoever posted it the first time Na'vi came up
 
2009-12-21 6:44:54 AM  
THIS goes green? Seriously?
 
2009-12-21 7:01:00 AM  
Sheeple! It's a alien-designed subliminal recruiting message.

Ivan eht Nioj
 
2009-12-21 7:03:30 AM  

DemonEater: So is this movie actually worth seeing?

And I mean really, really worth seeing. All I've really WANTED to see this year has been Star Trek, District 9, Inglorious Basterds, and probably Sherlock Holmes, and all I've ACTUALLY cared enough to stir myself and go see was Star Trek.

Is this another Star Wars or Lord of the Rings that you HAVE to go and see because it's epic, or is it what it looks like - a fairly predictable Ferngully remake with prettier graphics? I've always liked Cameron's stuff (even Titanic, ignoring the stupid love story in between the awesome recreation of the sinking), but this film just isn't grabbing me from the previews.


I don't often go to theaters or buy into any hype..but seriously, go see this movie. In 3D if it's an option in your area. Seriously.
 
2009-12-21 7:06:31 AM  
I am going to make a fortune with my Na'vi To Klingon Translation dictionary.

Anyone want to underwrite me for the low low investment of.. anything?


/Seriously It sounds a lot like Cherokee.. I think I'll try it out
//ya I speak Cherokee, no point in it cept to save tradition
///only one of 9000 left :(
 
2009-12-21 7:12:16 AM  
In the Na'vi
Yes, you can soar the Iknimaya
In the Na'vi
Yes, with your brother Omatikaya
In the Na'vi
Come on now, people, ride an ikran high
In the Na'vi, in the Na'vi
Can't you see we need to fly
In the Na'vi
Come on, protect the hometree place
In the Na'vi
Come on and join your fellow blueface
In the Na'vi
Come on people, and ride an ikran high
In the Na'vi, in the Na'vi, in the Na'vi
 
2009-12-21 7:33:08 AM  

Aboleth: In the Na'vi
Yes, you can soar the Iknimaya
In the Na'vi
Yes, with your brother Omatikaya
In the Na'vi
Come on now, people, ride an ikran high
In the Na'vi, in the Na'vi
Can't you see we need to fly
In the Na'vi
Come on, protect the hometree place
In the Na'vi
Come on and join your fellow blueface
In the Na'vi
Come on people, and ride an ikran high
In the Na'vi, in the Na'vi, in the Na'vi


bravo.

I saw it in an IMAX 3D theatre, it was a fun movie, it was beautiful movie, it was cliche and predictable in many parts still worth it, i'd say, but if you're not falling over yourself to go see it, wait for the crowds to die down.
 
2009-12-21 7:59:11 AM  

lightwell:

/Seriously It sounds a lot like Cherokee.. I think I'll try it out
//ya I speak Cherokee, no point in it cept to save tradition
///only one of 9000 left :(


Not necessarily. We may have to fight the Japs again...
 
2009-12-21 8:18:37 AM  

lightwell: I am going to make a fortune with my Na'vi To Klingon Translation dictionary.(


The biggest problem would be translating idiomatic concepts. In Klingon, you'd have problems finding words for "gratitude" or "affection". In Na'vi, you'd have problems finding words for "brassiere" or "innovative plot not relying on special effects to carry the movie".
 
2009-12-21 8:22:12 AM  
Marc Okrand must be a modmin...
 
2009-12-21 8:25:32 AM  

DemonEater: So is this movie actually worth seeing?


I would say yes.
I think its more of chick flick than sci-fi but it is a good story told well.
If it shows up in 3d here, I'l watch it.

I also thought District 9 was a well written movie.
 
2009-12-21 8:33:36 AM  
There is a lot of ekong going on in there.
 
2009-12-21 8:44:35 AM  

Tsar_Bomba1: lightwell:

/Seriously It sounds a lot like Cherokee.. I think I'll try it out
//ya I speak Cherokee, no point in it cept to save tradition
///only one of 9000 left :(

Not necessarily. We may have to fight the Japs again...


Wasn't that Navajo?
 
2009-12-21 9:06:43 AM  
syrynxx:
The biggest problem would be translating idiomatic concepts. In Klingon, you'd have problems finding words for "gratitude" or "affection".

Klingons would probably express gratitude as "the thing/service you gave me was useful". This phrase would rarely be used to describe an "Avatar" DVD.
 
2009-12-21 9:10:23 AM  

mamoru: Is there a phrase for "HEY! LISTEN!"?

/joke shamelessly stolen from whoever posted it the first time Na'vi came up


Came here for this (or to post this), leaving satisfied.
 
2009-12-21 9:10:27 AM  

PizzaJedi81: Tsar_Bomba1:

Not necessarily. We may have to fight the Japs again...

Wasn't that Navajo?


It was them, and the Germans. The Germans learned every language in the world but theirs. We Cherokee were compromised early on.
 
2009-12-21 9:11:56 AM  
Navi?

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2009-12-21 9:13:13 AM  

dervish16108: Navi?


Ocarina of Time, ftw!
 
2009-12-21 9:19:47 AM  

lightwell: PizzaJedi81: Tsar_Bomba1:

Not necessarily. We may have to fight the Japs again...

Wasn't that Navajo?

It was them, and the Germans. The Germans learned every language in the world but theirs. We Cherokee were compromised early on.


The Germans, cognizant of the use of both Cherokee and Choctaw by the US in WWI, made an effort to learn at least some of the Native American languages before the US entered WWII. We knew about this effort, of course, and that's why we didn't really use code talkers to any great extent in the European theater.

The Japanese, had they fully exploited the resources they had, could have broken the code used by the Navajo code talkers fairly easily (once you get the syllabary down, it basically a simple substitution code), but they were singularly bad at SIGINT, and they just didn't put the resources into doing it properly.
 
2009-12-21 9:30:53 AM  
They probably could have saved a million or so by not inventing a language for this movie. The actors could have been making up words as they went along and I wouldn't have known the difference. The only thing I learned was the word for "moran" and right now I can't even remember that. That's what we should do on fark - start using that word instead of moran...we could even misspell it.
 
2009-12-21 9:52:43 AM  
vgcats.comView Full Size
 
2009-12-21 10:10:47 AM  
MagusMcCormick

Came for this, leaving satisfied
 
2009-12-21 10:25:48 AM  
wait, why isn't this on the geek tab

hold me, i'm confused
 
2009-12-21 10:35:52 AM  

log_jammin: DemonEater: a fairly predictable Ferngully remake with prettier graphics?

I'd pitch it as "Dances with Wolves-IIIIIIN SPAAAAAAAAAACE!"

But I haven't seen it.


I've seen it, and that's not terribly inaccurate.

Except that I'd throw in some Medicine Man as well.

/still thought it was a good movie
 
2009-12-21 11:00:54 AM  

DemonEater: So is this movie actually worth seeing?


Yes.

You've seen the plot before (Dancing with Wolves), but the story is told well enough that it doesn't get in the way of the enjoyment.

More importantly, though, you haven't seen a movie like this. We've become very jaded about CGI, but I've never seen it employed to create such a fully realized world. This is a visionary movie in the most literal sense of the word and it begs to be seen on the big screen, in 3D IMAX if you can.
 
2009-12-21 11:01:19 AM  

dittybopper: lightwell: PizzaJedi81: Tsar_Bomba1:

Not necessarily. We may have to fight the Japs again...

Wasn't that Navajo?

It was them, and the Germans. The Germans learned every language in the world but theirs. We Cherokee were compromised early on.

The Germans, cognizant of the use of both Cherokee and Choctaw by the US in WWI, made an effort to learn at least some of the Native American languages before the US entered WWII. We knew about this effort, of course, and that's why we didn't really use code talkers to any great extent in the European theater.

The Japanese, had they fully exploited the resources they had, could have broken the code used by the Navajo code talkers fairly easily (once you get the syllabary down, it basically a simple substitution code), but they were singularly bad at SIGINT, and they just didn't put the resources into doing it properly.


You can make a really good case that the Japanese had no idea what the fark they were getting themselves into by attacking Pearl Harbor. They expected the US to recoil and withdraw from the Pacific, not to tool up and make them our biatches. They just weren't prepared for a real fight from a fully industrialized country of significant resources.

As for TFA, well, the funny thing will be when the people who learned to speak Klingon call Na'vi speakers losers.
 
2009-12-21 11:10:50 AM  
I can't be bothered to learn a useful language.
 
2009-12-21 11:26:57 AM  

akula:
You can make a really good case that the Japanese had no idea what the fark they were getting themselves into by attacking Pearl Harbor. They expected the US to recoil and withdraw from the Pacific, not to tool up and make them our biatches. They just weren't prepared for a real fight from a fully industrialized country of significant resources.


Well, *SOME* Japanese knew better. Certainly, Admiral Yamamoto knew it. The problem is that pride and a large measure of racism stood in the way of recognizing that the sheer size and industrial base of the United States meant that we could win a straight up war of attrition, and that while we might squabble amongst ourselves in peacetime, when you attack us from the outside, you unite us*. Of course, they learned that lesson.

One real interesting part of that war is that for the most part, we were reading their mail. We would land where they didn't expect us, bypassing strongholds and landing where they were weak, and letting the strong garrisons wither on the vine. This went on for several years, but it doesn't seem like the Japanese ever twigged to the fact that their communications were as vulnerable and deeply penetrated as they were.


As for TFA, well, the funny thing will be when the people who learned to speak Klingon call Na'vi speakers losers.


Meh. It'd be like Esperanto speakers looking down the noses of those who speak Volapuk, or vice versa. Either way, they don't know the One True Language: Morse code.


*Some Americans seem to have lost this recently, given the poll numbers for the War in Afghanistan.
 
2009-12-21 11:28:45 AM  

dittybopper: Meh. It'd be like Esperanto speakers looking down the noses of those who speak Volapuk, or vice versa. Either way, they don't know the One True Language: Morse code.


..- .--. / -.-- --- ..- .-. / -. --- ... . / .-- .. - .... / .- / .-. ..- -... -... . .-. / .... --- ... .
 
2009-12-21 11:31:39 AM  

Freak of Nurture: Sheeple! It's a alien-designed subliminal recruiting message.

Ivan eht Nioj


I saw what you did there... pure genius!
 
2009-12-21 11:34:35 AM  

PizzaJedi81: dittybopper: Meh. It'd be like Esperanto speakers looking down the noses of those who speak Volapuk, or vice versa. Either way, they don't know the One True Language: Morse code.

..- .--. / -.-- --- ..- .-. / -. --- ... . / .-- .. - .... / .- / .-. ..- -... -... . .-. / .... --- ... .


Off my case, tank face.
 
2009-12-21 11:49:35 AM  
Hey, at least we now have another option for alternate languages when hunting geek girls. Personally, I was getting a little upset when they kept shouting at me in Klingon while we made love.
 
2009-12-21 12:16:12 PM  

lightwell: I am going to make a fortune with my Na'vi To Klingon Translation dictionary.

Anyone want to underwrite me for the low low investment of.. anything?


/Seriously It sounds a lot like Cherokee.. I think I'll try it out
//ya I speak Cherokee, no point in it cept to save tradition
///only one of 9000 left :(


Well if you see the movie they tried to make the Na'vi as close to Native American as they could with blue giant catfolk.
 
2009-12-21 12:17:46 PM  

Dinjiin: Hey, at least we now have another option for alternate languages when hunting geek girls. Personally, I was getting a little upset when they kept shouting at me in Klingon while we made love.


Is that not how it's supposed to be done? I always thought that Klingon sex was kinda like cat sex...loudy, and with a chance that one or more party will be injured.
 
2009-12-21 12:40:35 PM  
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DemonEater 2009-12-21 05:42:17 AM
So is this movie actually worth seeing?
--------------------------

Absolutely, see it in 3D.
 
2009-12-21 12:41:34 PM  

PizzaJedi81: Dinjiin: Hey, at least we now have another option for alternate languages when hunting geek girls. Personally, I was getting a little upset when they kept shouting at me in Klingon while we made love.

Is that not how it's supposed to be done? I always thought that Klingon sex was kinda like cat sex...loudy, and with a chance that one or more party will be injured.


All I know is it includes a bat'leth and lots of scissoring on said bat'leth.

/little known fact, Klingon glans has exact same ridges as their head
 
2009-12-21 1:07:23 PM  
FTFA: So far, we have a ~500 word Na'vi-to-English dictionary

That's not a language. That's just a bunch of words. When you invent a language, you either go all out Tolkien style, or you just make the necessary vocabulary and hope no one notices you half assed the job.

/studying Elvish is actually interesting from a linguistic point of view
//not fun to try and write, though. Every freaking character looks nearly the same!
 
2009-12-21 1:33:39 PM  

Tachikoma:
/studying Elvish is actually interesting from a linguistic point of view


Thank you very much...
 
2009-12-21 1:36:59 PM  

doglover: THIS goes green? Seriously?


Haven't you noticed the sudden push of Avatar-related links? The astroturf movement to influence a more positive viewpoint on the flick? The insistent need to turn this into the next "Star Wars?"

It's a meh flick with reasonably good CGI. That's pretty much it. As to the link, well...

The domain name is apparently owned by "Sebastian Wolff." According to his blog, he apparently saw the movie on the 18th. The WHOIS entry for the domain, however indicates it was set up early on the 19th. The site's been up for all of two days, and apparently contains a lovely lexicon of Na'vi vocabulary - garnered from a single viewing?

It's astroturf.
 
2009-12-21 1:37:50 PM  
If I see this in 3D does that mean I have to buy TWO popcorns?
 
2009-12-21 1:38:55 PM  

Tachikoma: That's not a language. That's just a bunch of words. When you invent a language, you either go all out Tolkien style, or you just make the necessary vocabulary and hope no one notices you half assed the job.


I disagree. It matters less how many words they invented, and matters more whether the mechanics underneath work consistently. Do all the verbs work the same way, and do the phonology rules hold through the language, or does it look like an ADHD five-year-old had a bash on the keyboard?

Also remember that Frommer made patterns for making adjectives out of nouns, and added some complex rules for conjugation involving numbers and tense. So 500 doesn't include "walk" [tìron] and "walked" [tìmìron] as separate words. Looks like you could generate a few thousand practical "words" out of the 500 provided.

In particular, inventing a language where all the verbs get conjugated in the middle [infix inflection, as in tìron above] is a decent feat.
 
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