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2003-03-27 11:21:16 AM  
Did Harmonia get banned, Suebhoney?
 
2003-03-27 11:21:51 AM  
Last I knew he did.
 
2003-03-27 11:22:05 AM  
Recognizing the public need for fasting and prayer in order to secure the blessings and protection of Providence for the people of the United States and our Armed Forces during the conflict in Iraq and under the threat of terrorism at home.

Sounds like a part of the resolution that mentions anything about praying to God to win the war to me.
 
2003-03-27 11:22:57 AM  
Are you there, God? It's me, jelly-elly.

God, I know that with so many terrible things going on in the world, like famine, disease, homelessness, and the success of Kangaroo Jack, You must be very busy listening to the prayers of Your people. I hope You don't think it is self-centered of me to ask that You might help the United States successfully overthrow Hussien's regieme so we can put Bush's in place. Also, can I please have a pony?

BTW I do ask God or whoever to watch over the troops and the innocent people caught in the crossfire. But I do this because I want to.
 
2003-03-27 11:22:59 AM  
Nothing wrong with the government asking people to pray for our troops. How is it hurting any one of you? Praying is not the crusades..people pray during every war and I'm proud our government supports that. They arent forcing you to do any religious act, nor are they imposing it upon you. They have the right to their opinions as much as any other citizen, thus they have the right to ask the public to pray if they believe that would help with the war. Yeah, I realize in effect you pray for the deaths of enemy soldiers, but thats gonna happen, we're at war.
 
2003-03-27 11:23:17 AM  
A day of national humiliation? We've been humiliating ourselves ever since Bush took office!
 
2003-03-27 11:23:26 AM  
O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle -- be Thou near them! With them -- in spirit -- we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it -- for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen

http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/making/warprayer.html
 
2003-03-27 11:23:44 AM  
What's the big deal... any loony in Congress can put forth a bill or resolution... It doesn't mean it will pass. So there are a few "religious right" types thinking that its okay for the government to float this drivel out there... WHO CARES?
 
2003-03-27 11:23:49 AM  
I did put a link in the e-mail, but I suck at the Intarweb.
 
2003-03-27 11:23:57 AM  
As far as the topic, imho, our Congressional Leaders should put this stuff aside and work on the economy. I highly doubt any American needs to be informed from their government to pray.

Anyone else wonder how the families of the soldiers feel about this? I mean, geez, I would think they've been praying all along.
 
2003-03-27 11:24:24 AM  
UUARUUZARE Um, it says blessings and protection, two things which would equally apply if they were on holiday drinking margaritas during the conflict in Iraq.

But I've spent enough time on this already. Believe what you want I guess. I have to get to work. Pray that I don't jam something sharp in my eye while having to deal with people today.
 
2003-03-27 11:24:25 AM  
Why did Harmonia get banned, besides for being an ignorant asshat?

P.S. Kill the Fundies.
 
J
2003-03-27 11:25:08 AM  
Motherfarker!

Get back to work, you stuck-up, lazy assholes! Do your jobs-- fix the damn country!
 
2003-03-27 11:25:13 AM  
Ironpoint, well said.
 
2003-03-27 11:25:16 AM  
Harmonia's ban? Who knows? You'll have to ask him when he returns.
 
2003-03-27 11:25:23 AM  
Atheism does preclude one from praying, however.

EathamFirst of all, I didn't selectively edit lines.

story's changing, eh?

That being said, i agree wholeheartedly with your points numbers 3 and 4.
 
2003-03-27 11:25:33 AM  
FREEDOM FAST!
 
2003-03-27 11:25:44 AM  
Ask yourselves: Why are politicians so interested in god?

You already know the answer. Religion is control. Politicians want to tap into that control. They've been doing that for centuries.
 
2003-03-27 11:25:47 AM  
Seriously, I was thinking of fasting, but only for my health(you know, to poop and pee to an exagerated degree; clean my colon, liver, kidneys; that kind of stuff). Now that I've read this, I' m thinking of not doing it.

Why don't you stop praying. See if that makes Him happy.
- B.S.
 
2003-03-27 11:26:13 AM  
God, you people are such Overreacting Earls. That's not a common phrase, Overreacting Earl, but it would be if I had any say on the issue!
 
2003-03-27 11:26:23 AM  
Wow, praying to invisible, magic deities must have powerful effect cause we live in such a wonderful world.
 
2003-03-27 11:26:24 AM  
What if hundreds/thousands of Americans are killed despite the massive prayers (I know massive prayer may be overstating it a bit but just humor me). Will we then here the tired arguement of "God works in mysterious ways", OR "God wanted another angel". I can never get enough of those. The sooner people get God out of their personal decisions, the sooner self-reliance and self-responsibility will once again take over. God forbid
 
2003-03-27 11:26:53 AM  
I you liked the bill,
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2003-03-27 11:26:59 AM  
All hail President Tuttankamman who gains his right to rule from divine authority. Its nice to know God put him there because he sure as hell didn't get there because he was voted in.
 
2003-03-27 11:27:03 AM  
MrSoftTeeth: The problem is in its everyday application. Fundies would have religion in schools again if they could. The last thing I want is some asshat teacher with a degree in PE to teach my kids about religion. They will learn that from me and my church--not from a school or the government.

Separation of church and state is intended to keep religion out of the government, and when it fails, we'll be no different than Iran. Keep it out in even the smallest way, lest it grow to be a bigger problem--again.
 
2003-03-27 11:27:12 AM  
That is so incredily scary...
 
2003-03-27 11:27:42 AM  
If they were on holiday drinking margaritas during the conflict in Iraq, then why would they need god to help them kill Iraqis?
 
2003-03-27 11:27:45 AM  
I'm watching the Blair-Bush press conference now, and President George W. Bush is appallingly bad.

Bush consistently doesn't answer the reporters' questions (saying the war will take "as long as it takes" is not an answer) and seems angry that he is being questioned.

If it weren't for Blair's presence, the reporters could have just stayed at home. Bush simply can't go off the script.
 
2003-03-27 11:27:51 AM  
Are you Farking serious?
 
2003-03-27 11:27:52 AM  
wouldn't it hurt the food industry if we fast for a day?

/stupid college student
 
2003-03-27 11:28:34 AM  
Ya' know, I'm about as anti-religious as they come, but is seperation of church and state actually fair? It establishes a secular government, which shows favor to a minority of the population.

Accomodation seems to work the best; the majority of Americans are religious, and as long as there's no coercion or establishment, I don't see a problem with this.

It still reeks of stupidity, however.
 
2003-03-27 11:29:01 AM  
The US government passed one of those resolutions a few years ago, February 6, 1991, to be exact, and I read it and found such spiritual comfort in calling upon the Almighty to help me smite some mother farkers that I have been a good Christian ever since and so I pray for help every day to kill mother farkers like these in really mean ways and also to see some anime genital things

I mean it
 
2003-03-27 11:29:44 AM  
I've made my peace with the thesis long ago.Religion is a necessary component in some peoples live's. A comfy blanket that if you try to take it away they begin to cry.(I know nasty analog, but if you ever seen they look in a thesis' face when you give them a unrefutable argument against god, it is the same as a child's face when they are told that there is no Santa.)

The problem is that religions are now undeclared Political parties, that try to make laws based on religious dogma. Laws that effect EVERYONE, not just the converted.
 
2003-03-27 11:29:56 AM  
I thought this was interesting:

The Patton Prayer:

Almighty and most merciful Father, we humbly beseech Thee, of Thy great goodness, to restrain these immoderate rains with which we have had to contend. Grant us fair weather for Battle. Graciously hearken to us as soldiers who call upon Thee that, armed with Thy power, we may advance from victory to victory, and crush the oppression and wickedness of our enemies and establish Thy justice among men and nations.

- FROM http://www.pattonhq.com/prayer.html
 
2003-03-27 11:30:03 AM  
Yeesh. Legislation like this is such a waste of time. Religous people need no direction from the government to tell them when and how to pray for our guys overseas. Similarly, no atheists or agnostics can be legally coerced into participating in a prayer session.

Has the government COMPLETELY forgotten about the First Amendment?
 
2003-03-27 11:30:27 AM  
GreyAlien - If he fumbles the ball the Illuminati might not be too happy. The implementation of the New World Order is already three years off schedule.
 
2003-03-27 11:30:46 AM  
As much as it pains me to say it, this thing is real. Go to http://www.house.gov/ and run a search for "fasting prayer" to see for yourself.

What a bunch of farktards.
 
2003-03-27 11:31:06 AM  
MassD: Amen, brother. <- Hey, I made a funny!

It's not a big deal. Resolutions like this, and even sillier ones, drift through all the time. But it is a tremendous waste given everything else we need to be concerned with.

You can be sure I'm taking note of my Reps on that list and not voting for them. Of course, I live in Florida, so the ballot will probably make me vote for them anyway. ;-)
 
2003-03-27 11:31:13 AM  
Of course, it should be noted that Patton was a loon....
 
2003-03-27 11:31:24 AM  
If the government could get the ultimate endorsement, FROM GOD, imagine how effective that would be. Of couse our govermnment has already assumed they have that. Look at God's name, all over our money. Wouldn't it be the greatest if God one day appears and demands compensation for the unlicensed use of his name?
 
2003-03-27 11:31:31 AM  
I don't think Harmonia's coming back. I think he threatened Drew. Almost as bad as saying you're against the war.
 
rdr
2003-03-27 11:31:50 AM  
Spunky_Monkey: Are you still under the impression that the New Crusade has not begun?
 
2003-03-27 11:32:09 AM  
This thread, not the proposed legislation, is what's sickening.

Newsflash: God is not some guy down the street that you can bully into getting what you want. Demanding things from God is ridiculous. There is a bit of a format to requesting things, if you can call it that, and it's called Prayer. And it's not just "Hey, God, I can't find my remote control. I know I've blasphemed you before for laughs on a website and stuff, but I really need you now. That remote prevents me from having to get up and walk across the room! Amen."

This is just a little proposed resolution that frankly, is for show. It won't go anywhere. And they get thoroughly trashed for it. Real nice.
 
Ant
2003-03-27 11:32:17 AM  
Geez you people... I'm an atheist and I don't have a problem with this
 
2003-03-27 11:32:47 AM  
Whodathunk I'd get to post this two days in a row?

"This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down (and you're just the man to do it!), do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? "

From "A Man For All Seasons"

Faith Based Missle Defense System on-line
 
2003-03-27 11:32:54 AM  
This is a new one - if atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair color.

Or zero would be an integer...

Freedom of religion MUST include freedom not to have a religion. (try that argument down south-- it'll get ya lynched)

I'm also going to go out on a limb and say that, in the case of DMV/Police records, "Hair:Bald/None" would, in fact, be valid.
 
2003-03-27 11:33:18 AM  
riddle me this: How is israel still around? they've been alone and surrounded (before we got there) and they are still kicking. Militarily, it's impossible.

I don't know. I believe in God. I KNOW he's not on Saddam's side. besides the fact that we are trouncing him in the war, i mean. He's evil.

So if you guys are right, and there is no God...then this doesn't matter. So why do you ridicule it so much, and get all uppity about it?

What if there is a God? What if he watches over a country that tries to do what's right, and prays to him? it's not gonna hurt you guys...so why do you mock?
 
2003-03-27 11:33:26 AM  
"Please god, answer our prayers by destroying our enemies, or give us the power to destroy them."
Oh, wait, isn't that what all those Taliban guys say when they're trying to cram jets into our buildings?
 
2003-03-27 11:33:33 AM  
Hey, if I get a paid vacation day out of this I'm all for it. Do it on a nice day, I can fire up the pit, get a case of beer, and sit around the house cursing, eating, and getting drunk all day.
 
2003-03-27 11:33:46 AM  
Rumbleminz -

By praying to a clearly Christian/Catholic God you are alienating people. President Cheney needs to just stop playing games and re-write the Constitution.
 
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